[Boxing]: Thurman vs Barrios - Feb 5 - page 15.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 08, 2022, 08:06:43 AM

Let's check the betting odds again. As per this site https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/keith-thurman-v-mario-barrios/winner

Thurman is the favorite though not a heavy favorite, and I think the odds are still very attractive. He is currently 4/7, -175, or 1.57 in decimal.
That's 57% winning of your bet, I think I can take it without hesitation as I really love to see him win here.

At Duelbits, Thurman is at 1.59 odds. Just a lil bit higher.

https://duelbits.com/sportsbook/match/31435521-Thurman-Keith-vs-Barrios-Mario

I even saw one crypto bookie here offering 1.68 in favor of Thurman.
So yes, Thurman is slightly the favorite here. Hope he will not disappoint us here.
If he will win this fight, for sure, he will go after big names.
This is just a test of his strength in this comeback fight.

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Quote from: Dave1 on January 07, 2022, 01:00:27 PM

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I think Thurman really went over board with his trash talking to Pacquiao, or maybe that is not his personality after all....

We thought he went overboard because we bought his trash talk. what matters is in the end they become friends and there's no trash talk anymore. If Thurman was real with his statement, it would be hard for him to accept his losses but he was humble on his defeat and he showed good sportsmanship so he gain respect despite his trash talk.

Yeah, I think he made the fight sell with all his argument of "I'm going to retire Manny Pacquiao".

So we try to watch the fight but it didn't happen, quite on the contrary though, he gets knock down on the first round, then tries to rally back but Pacquiao has a tough chin and then scoring with good body shots on Thurman and it was enough to escape for a great win.

Thurman then eats his word but acknowledge that he underestimate Manny back then and sure enough he went for a long layoff and think all over again and what to do with his career.

I guess he really tries to attack Manny with those kind of word, I mean it's a psyche war. But knowing Manny, who has met a lot of trash talking during his career, he was not bother by any of the words throw by Thurman.

And it really like went back fire on Thurman, he bark on the wrong tree so to speak as Pacquiao seems to be immune with the trash talking and would rather focus on the fight rather than using energy to talk back.

Quote from: Dave1 on January 07, 2022, 01:00:27 PM

But let's see what Thurman's trash talking will be against Barrios, maybe when they have a face-off he will used the argument that he was beaten by a little guy in Tank Davis or something like that.

For sure Thurman will have a choice of words against Barrios and we will here it as some as the fight gets closer. He is also an announcer so we all know that once he open his mouth, it's hard to stop and he could trash talk Barrios just like what he did to Manny.

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Let's check the betting odds again. As per this site https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/keith-thurman-v-mario-barrios/winner

Thurman is the favorite though not a heavy favorite, and I think the odds are still very attractive. He is currently 4/7, -175, or 1.57 in decimal.
That's 57% winning of your bet, I think I can take it without hesitation as I really love to see him win here.

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Quote from: jhonjhon on January 08, 2022, 12:06:33 AM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 07, 2022, 11:25:37 PM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on January 07, 2022, 08:35:21 PM

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Thurman is training himself, you can check on his social media. But yeah training alone and training while fight with real boxer are different, he need to warm up first before fight with Barrios.

He's still 33 years old, I don't think he would retire when he's still in prime conditions Grin

his previous fight with Pacquiao is big lesson for him to become better. But still, I'll pick Thurman for this fight, Barrios aren't really powerful IMO.

I think Mario Barrios will be always on the fight but at the end of the day I just believe that Keith Thurman is the much better fighter, the most experience fighter, the much bigger and the much stronger fighter than Barrios. And there is a possibility that Keith Thurman can K.O Mario Barrios. Thurman winning this fight but it will be a competitive one.

That is really a big possibility because Thurman is known to have big power, the only weaknesses in Thurman is body shots in which Manny takes advantages of during their fight. When you hit Thurman with a good body shot, it will obviously slow him down so I think that will be a good strategy for Barrios. And who knows, maybe if he hits him perfectly in the "solar plexus", maybe it will have a bad effect on Thurman and will go down and take a knee.

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If we should analyse the strength and speed of thurman and barrios, thurman has more than barrios. Thurman is and experience fighter with different fighting strategy, he may likely win.

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Quote from: smyslov on January 07, 2022, 10:26:11 PM

The boxer with the power will win the match and Thurman between the two has it, Barrios is a guy moving up and he is against a guy who has tasted punches coming from big punchers and he held, on compared to Barrios who fought a hard puncher in Gervonta and cannot keep up, I expect Thurman to knock Barrios because of his superiority in speed and power.

Definitely, the fighter with the power will surely win this fight Mario Barrios right now is the underdog that will be tested if he is ready for the welterweight division and both fighters are testing themselves for Thurman his inactivity if he's going to be ready for the big names, and for Mario Barrios, readying him for this division, I guess losing to Pacman has its advantage, he now sure have the feeling of losing and he would never want that kind of feeling anymore.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 07, 2022, 11:25:37 PM

Thurman is training himself, you can check on his social media. But yeah training alone and training while fight with real boxer are different, he need to warm up first before fight with Barrios.

He's still 33 years old, I don't think he would retire when he's still in prime conditions Grin

his previous fight with Pacquiao is big lesson for him to become better. But still, I'll pick Thurman for this fight, Barrios aren't really powerful IMO.

If he's training then that is good, I think there are some boxers even though they are already retired will surely search for that feeling like they are still training, and I think Manny Pacquiao is one of them, well that length of his inactivity was the one I am referring and just think that maybe because of the Covid-19 that is why he was never seen more than 2 years, but yeah I too will definitely go with Keith Thurman in this fight.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 07, 2022, 11:25:37 PM

He's still 33 years old, I don't think he would retire when he's still in prime conditions Grin

his previous fight with Pacquiao is big lesson for him to become better. But still, I'll pick Thurman for this fight, Barrios aren't really powerful IMO.

In the beginning, the fight was considered a mismatch or not appropriate (please don't take seriously the word mismatch). It's just that Thurman is coming out from a long hiatus that's why instead of jumping right away to the most dominant fighter, the camp chooses first to test Thurman's ability to take some refreshment.

After winning, expect Thurman's camp to voice out who gonna be the next. And I'm sure it's now against a big name.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 07, 2022, 11:25:37 PM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on January 07, 2022, 08:35:21 PM

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Thurman is training himself, you can check on his social media. But yeah training alone and training while fight with real boxer are different, he need to warm up first before fight with Barrios.

He's still 33 years old, I don't think he would retire when he's still in prime conditions Grin

his previous fight with Pacquiao is big lesson for him to become better. But still, I'll pick Thurman for this fight, Barrios aren't really powerful IMO.

I think Mario Barrios will be always on the fight but at the end of the day I just believe that Keith Thurman is the much better fighter, the most experience fighter, the much bigger and the much stronger fighter than Barrios. And there is a possibility that Keith Thurman can K.O Mario Barrios. Thurman winning this fight but it will be a competitive one.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on January 07, 2022, 08:35:21 PM

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Thurman is training himself, you can check on his social media. But yeah training alone and training while fight with real boxer are different, he need to warm up first before fight with Barrios.

He's still 33 years old, I don't think he would retire when he's still in prime conditions Grin

his previous fight with Pacquiao is big lesson for him to become better. But still, I'll pick Thurman for this fight, Barrios aren't really powerful IMO.

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Quote from: smyslov on January 07, 2022, 10:26:11 PM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on January 07, 2022, 08:35:21 PM

I really do think he has the most punching power than Barrios even thought Mario Barrios has the height and reach advantage.

The boxer with the power will win the match and Thurman between the two has it, Barrios is a guy moving up and he is against a guy who has tasted punches coming from big punchers and he held, on compared to Barrios who fought a hard puncher in Gervonta and cannot keep up, I expect Thurman to knock Barrios because of his superiority in speed and power.

And also remember that Thurman is the natural welterweight here and Barrios is just going up in weight. So he hasn't been tested in this division and maybe he will not like it when he felt Thurman's power in this division.

Thurman though doesn't have the speed, I think I will get that to Barrios, but the power will be definitely on Keith here and possible that he can win by knock out.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on January 07, 2022, 08:35:21 PM

I really do think he has the most punching power than Barrios even thought Mario Barrios has the height and reach advantage.

The boxer with the power will win the match and Thurman between the two has it, Barrios is a guy moving up and he is against a guy who has tasted punches coming from big punchers and he held, on compared to Barrios who fought a hard puncher in Gervonta and cannot keep up, I expect Thurman to knock Barrios because of his superiority in speed and power.

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My thought on this fight I really thought that Keith Thurman would really retire because of his inactivity for 2 years or more, his last fight with Manny Pacquiao was on Jul 20, 2019, and ever since that loss there might be something that happen or maybe because of Covid-19, I really don't know what has Keith was doing during his inactivity for 2 years but his opponent even though the loss to Gervonta Davis is active ever since and his opponent is 7 years younger than him if we will consider ring rust because of Keith Thurman's inactivity inside the ring, I really think he can eventually recover from it, I think he is more experienced than Barrios even though Thurman was out of action in 6 months because of surgery on his right elbow back on May 19, 2017, he has shown back up again in training, so I think he can get back and make that rust come out, I really do think he has the most punching power than Barrios even thought Mario Barrios has the height and reach advantage.

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Quote from: Oasisman on January 07, 2022, 03:00:12 PM

Does psychological warfare really a thing for professional boxing? Or any combat sport?
I don't think so.
Most of the trash talking isn't always an attack to the opponent to get under his skin, sometimes it's a marketing strategy to sell the fight to the crowd. Especially when you're facing against a living legend. I don't think you can't provoke him psychologically. .

If uses those words again against Barrios, always remember that's just a way to sell a fight.

I agree with you. Those trashtalks are nothing when they fight now on the ring. That was only for market-related purposes and since both are coming from a loss, I doubt they can make a good PPV or gate entrance. They need to work hard to promote their fight.

A trash talk is needed to fuel the fire and get the public's attention at any cost. Barrios should do the same lol.

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Quote from: Oasisman on January 07, 2022, 03:00:12 PM

Does psychological warfare really a thing for professional boxing? Or any combat sport?
I don't think so.
Most of the trash talking isn't always an attack to the opponent to get under his skin, sometimes it's a marketing strategy to sell the fight to the crowd. Especially when you're facing against a living legend. I don't think you can't provoke him psychologically. .

If uses those words again against Barrios, always remember that's just a way to sell a fight.

People does have different inputs or impressions whenever a boxer or an athlete would really trash talk his opponent or anything else where they do treat it up to be non appropriate which they do

really thought that other one doesn't have any respect or some sort but I agree on what you had said that this is one of the things which is common to market out the fight to let hype

and interest would go to the roof since they do know that this could really be beneficial for them as long they do able to get sufficient number of viewers or supporters.

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Quote from: Oasisman on January 07, 2022, 03:00:12 PM

If uses those words again against Barrios, always remember that's just a way to sell a fight.

Exactly, everything a fighter does including the trash-talking is just a way to sell a fight, Thurman is good at that as he was successful with his fight against Manny, so it will not be hard for him to sell this fight which he will likely win. The comeback of Thurman will be happening soon, so hopefully, after this fight, he will get a shot against Crawford.

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Quote from: Dave1 on January 07, 2022, 01:00:27 PM

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Quote from: Kemarit on January 05, 2022, 10:33:34 PM

I think Thurman really went over board with his trash talking to Pacquiao, or maybe that is not his personality after all....

We thought he went overboard because we bought his trash talk. what matters is in the end they become friends and there's no trash talk anymore. If Thurman was real with his statement, it would be hard for him to accept his losses but he was humble on his defeat and he showed good sportsmanship so he gain respect despite his trash talk.

Yeah, I think he made the fight sell with all his argument of "I'm going to retire Manny Pacquiao".

So we try to watch the fight but it didn't happen, quite on the contrary though, he gets knock down on the first round, then tries to rally back but Pacquiao has a tough chin and then scoring with good body shots on Thurman and it was enough to escape for a great win.

Thurman then eats his word but acknowledge that he underestimate Manny back then and sure enough he went for a long layoff and think all over again and what to do with his career.

I guess he really tries to attack Manny with those kind of word, I mean it's a psyche war. But knowing Manny, who has met a lot of trash talking during his career, he was not bother by any of the words throw by Thurman.

But let's see what Thurman's trash talking will be against Barrios, maybe when they have a face-off he will used the argument that he was beaten by a little guy in Tank Davis or something like that.

Does psychological warfare really a thing for professional boxing? Or any combat sport?
I don't think so.
Most of the trash talking isn't always an attack to the opponent to get under his skin, sometimes it's a marketing strategy to sell the fight to the crowd. Especially when you're facing against a living legend. I don't think you can't provoke him psychologically. .

If uses those words again against Barrios, always remember that's just a way to sell a fight.

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Quote from: Dave1 on January 07, 2022, 01:00:27 PM

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Quote from: Kemarit on January 05, 2022, 10:33:34 PM

I think Thurman really went over board with his trash talking to Pacquiao, or maybe that is not his personality after all....

We thought he went overboard because we bought his trash talk. what matters is in the end they become friends and there's no trash talk anymore. If Thurman was real with his statement, it would be hard for him to accept his losses but he was humble on his defeat and he showed good sportsmanship so he gain respect despite his trash talk.

Yeah, I think he made the fight sell with all his argument of "I'm going to retire Manny Pacquiao".

So we try to watch the fight but it didn't happen, quite on the contrary though, he gets knock down on the first round, then tries to rally back but Pacquiao has a tough chin and then scoring with good body shots on Thurman and it was enough to escape for a great win.

Thurman then eats his word but acknowledge that he underestimate Manny back then and sure enough he went for a long layoff and think all over again and what to do with his career.

I guess he really tries to attack Manny with those kind of word, I mean it's a psyche war. But knowing Manny, who has met a lot of trash talking during his career, he was not bother by any of the words throw by Thurman.

But let's see what Thurman's trash talking will be against Barrios, maybe when they have a face-off he will used the argument that he was beaten by a little guy in Tank Davis or something like that.

But no offense to Thurman he really gain the attention after that fight with Manny, those trash talks works well bringing viewers and bettors

to the fight. I'm also waiting for whatever the promoters will do to attract attention and also to bring audiences for this fight, Barrios may

also have those counters and might create a word of mouth before the fight start...

I placed my bet on Thurman here even if he has long hiatus inside the ring. Though he was trash talking before Pacquiao's fight, he showed good manners afterwards. So yes, maybe it is not really in his blood to be loudmouth individual. I thought he will retire for good but now, maybe, he realized he has still something to give inside the ring. We will see.

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Quote from: Dave1 on January 07, 2022, 01:00:27 PM

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Quote from: Kemarit on January 05, 2022, 10:33:34 PM

I think Thurman really went over board with his trash talking to Pacquiao, or maybe that is not his personality after all....

We thought he went overboard because we bought his trash talk. what matters is in the end they become friends and there's no trash talk anymore. If Thurman was real with his statement, it would be hard for him to accept his losses but he was humble on his defeat and he showed good sportsmanship so he gain respect despite his trash talk.

Yeah, I think he made the fight sell with all his argument of "I'm going to retire Manny Pacquiao".

So we try to watch the fight but it didn't happen, quite on the contrary though, he gets knock down on the first round, then tries to rally back but Pacquiao has a tough chin and then scoring with good body shots on Thurman and it was enough to escape for a great win.

Thurman then eats his word but acknowledge that he underestimate Manny back then and sure enough he went for a long layoff and think all over again and what to do with his career.

I guess he really tries to attack Manny with those kind of word, I mean it's a psyche war. But knowing Manny, who has met a lot of trash talking during his career, he was not bother by any of the words throw by Thurman.

But let's see what Thurman's trash talking will be against Barrios, maybe when they have a face-off he will used the argument that he was beaten by a little guy in Tank Davis or something like that.

But no offense to Thurman he really gain the attention after that fight with Manny, those trash talks works well bringing viewers and bettors

to the fight. I'm also waiting for whatever the promoters will do to attract attention and also to bring audiences for this fight, Barrios may

also have those counters and might create a word of mouth before the fight start...

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 06, 2022, 09:52:09 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on January 06, 2022, 08:09:53 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on January 05, 2022, 10:33:34 PM

I think Thurman really went over board with his trash talking to Pacquiao, or maybe that is not his personality after all....

We thought he went overboard because we bought his trash talk. what matters is in the end they become friends and there's no trash talk anymore. If Thurman was real with his statement, it would be hard for him to accept his losses but he was humble on his defeat and he showed good sportsmanship so he gain respect despite his trash talk.

Yeah, I think he made the fight sell with all his argument of "I'm going to retire Manny Pacquiao".

So we try to watch the fight but it didn't happen, quite on the contrary though, he gets knock down on the first round, then tries to rally back but Pacquiao has a tough chin and then scoring with good body shots on Thurman and it was enough to escape for a great win.

Thurman then eats his word but acknowledge that he underestimate Manny back then and sure enough he went for a long layoff and think all over again and what to do with his career.

I guess he really tries to attack Manny with those kind of word, I mean it's a psyche war. But knowing Manny, who has met a lot of trash talking during his career, he was not bother by any of the words throw by Thurman.

But let's see what Thurman's trash talking will be against Barrios, maybe when they have a face-off he will used the argument that he was beaten by a little guy in Tank Davis or something like that.

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on the other hand they are still quite young and indeed when they want to become a great boxer they must be able to let go of that shadow so that they become more resilient in the future and will not be shaken from a mental point of view.
they have to be able to beat the shadows within themselves even though it is a difficult thing but like it or not they have to pass for their career ladder to be even higher

There are boxers that are really shaken though, after a huge defeat, for example Ricky Hatton, who just completely lost it after the Manny Pacquiao knock out, and also Margarito, physically, Manny disfigured his face and was not the same after.

But Barrios and Thurman's lost was different that I think they can still go back. Although it really took Thurman a long time because maybe he was really affected, but it seems he was able to overcome it already in the last two years.

even if I'm not mistaken after that Hatton immediately resigned and retired from the world of boxing due to the shock he had after losing to Manny at that time.
it's true for these two boxers they still have a chance to bounce back but it's back to themselves whether they can afford it or not.

Quote from: btc_angela on January 05, 2022, 10:25:52 PM

For sure they want to get out of the shadow of the defeat. Thurman though took a long hiatus of 2 years while Barrios wanted to fight again but this time move out to the weight that he might be comfortable fighting. So let's see how is more motivated after a defeat, but it seems majority here thinks that Thurman will be the last man standing here or possibility win by knockout, what do you think?

I personally was on Thurman's side in this match.
even though he did make a long break but for me it was a pretty good decision and when he's back now it's an even better decision because he is one boxer who is quite complete both in terms of his strength and speed.

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