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January 06, 2022, 09:52:09 AM

I think Thurman really went over board with his trash talking to Pacquiao, or maybe that is not his personality after all....

We thought he went overboard because we bought his trash talk. what matters is in the end they become friends and there's no trash talk anymore. If Thurman was real with his statement, it would be hard for him to accept his losses but he was humble on his defeat and he showed good sportsmanship so he gain respect despite his trash talk.

Yeah, I think he made the fight sell with all his argument of "I'm going to retire Manny Pacquiao".

So we try to watch the fight but it didn't happen, quite on the contrary though, he gets knock down on the first round, then tries to rally back but Pacquiao has a tough chin and then scoring with good body shots on Thurman and it was enough to escape for a great win.

Thurman then eats his word but acknowledge that he underestimate Manny back then and sure enough he went for a long layoff and think all over again and what to do with his career.
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January 06, 2022, 08:28:07 AM

I think Thurman really went over board with his trash talking to Pacquiao, or maybe that is not his personality after all....

We thought he went overboard because we bought his trash talk. what matters is in the end they become friends and there's no trash talk anymore. If Thurman was real with his statement, it would be hard for him to accept his losses but he was humble on his defeat and he showed good sportsmanship so he gain respect despite his trash talk.

Of course, after you got beaten by the midget Pacman, the best thing to do is to become friends with him. We've seen if from Pacquiao's previous opponent, even his fierce rival, Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales. Morales even travel to the Philippines and have a beer commercial with Pacquiao. And what is that you have to hate Manny? Nothing, it's just boxing for Thurman but I do agree that he really goes overboard with that trash talking but now he can talk about his fight on public, a sign that he really move on from that lone defeat in his record.
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January 06, 2022, 08:09:53 AM

I think Thurman really went over board with his trash talking to Pacquiao, or maybe that is not his personality after all....

We thought he went overboard because we bought his trash talk. what matters is in the end they become friends and there's no trash talk anymore. If Thurman was real with his statement, it would be hard for him to accept his losses but he was humble on his defeat and he showed good sportsmanship so he gain respect despite his trash talk.
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January 05, 2022, 10:33:34 PM
he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.

The moment he decided to fight again, he already sealed that loss in history and now moving on.

It's not just about the loss against Manny Pacquiao why he became inactive for 29 months. Some reasons are; his injury, the pandemic, and the lack of a possible fight date at the end of 2021. He knows how to accept the defeat and won't cry like a baby for long before accepting his loss.

Keith Thurman is ready to become a major player in the welterweight division

This is what I admire about Thurman, just before that Pacquiao's fight, he was vowing that he will retire Pacquiao.
But it was the opposite that happened inside the ring. And after that, he accepted his loss and made good friends with Pac.

https://www.ringtv.com/564493-keith-thurman-vows-to-retire-manny-pacquiao-but-pacquiao-says-hes-far-from-done/

Now, it seems, he is ready for his comeback after long hiatus. Definitely, he will comeback in full strength here.
To prove that he has still the power in this division, he maybe planning to defeat one boxer after another and he will start with Barrios.
Hoping that he will have good training because of the covid restrictions. Well, everywhere now is starting to see the impact of this omicron variant.

He was a good sport and we should understand that he trash-talking before the fight was just part of the business. Thurman accepted his loss and respected the Pacman after the fight, with that he also gain the respect of the fans, especially the Filipino fans all over the world.

I'm not sure if they are good friends but I heard in the news that Pacman name his dog Thurman, that's crazy.   Grin

This guy is admirable, at first we hate him because he was trash-talking out one and only living legend but later he vow to give credit to the champion. He is humble in real life but is good in selling his fight, and that was great fight between him and Manny so we deserve to see another fight from Thurman and this time arond I l know he will win.

I think Thurman really went over board with his trash talking to Pacquiao, or maybe that is not his personality after all, as he trash talk a legend and a non-American boxer that really put his image in the bad light. And then he losses that fight, LOL, that was the irony, he can't back up his talk, but Manny is just not responding to his trash talk but then knock him down in the first round. Maybe he will still trash talk, but not that like forced trash talking just to sell the fight.
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January 05, 2022, 10:25:52 PM

I'm sure they will, the hardest for a boxer is to win a comeback fight from a big fight, they badly needed this win to get into contention again, they must their demons and their struggle to comeback because both have frustrations from their last fight on Barrios getting knock out by Davis and Thurman losing a decision against Pacquiao, Barrios will have a huge struggle because he is fighting a guy who has good ring generalship power and experience, having both the best in the welterweight division.
they must destroy the doubts from within themselves at this time due to the defeat in the previous game.
besides practicing with more leverage will make them much stronger.
Honestly, I like these two boxers because they both have good vision at the moment.
now their match is just counting the days depending on how ready they are both in terms of training and mentally because now it is certain that the strong will win

Just for the record, both of them are coming from a big lost so not sure what do you mean by having a good vision?

Either way, only one of them would have to move in their career if they won this fight. And most likely as the boxing fans here favoured, it will be Thurman, although he lost to Manny Pacquiao, he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.
You have to look at the previous discussion, friends, the purpose of the vision I said above is that they want to give today's battle a victory because they have experienced defeat before.
Of course, with the defeat in the previous battle, it certainly gave them more motivation so that they didn't lose for the second time.
but indeed things like this will not be easy because indirectly the defeat they feel can become a boomerang for them because they are still trapped in the shadow of defeat.

For sure they want to get out of the shadow of the defeat. Thurman though took a long hiatus of 2 years while Barrios wanted to fight again but this time move out to the weight that he might be comfortable fighting. So let's see how is more motivated after a defeat, but it seems majority here thinks that Thurman will be the last man standing here or possibility win by knockout, what do you think?
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January 05, 2022, 10:21:11 PM
You have to look at the previous discussion, friends, the purpose of the vision I said above is that they want to give today's battle a victory because they have experienced defeat before.
Of course, with the defeat in the previous battle, it certainly gave them more motivation so that they didn't lose for the second time.
but indeed things like this will not be easy because indirectly the defeat they feel can become a boomerang for them because they are still trapped in the shadow of defeat.
We aren't perfect even those people do say that forgetting the past might sound simple but this isn't something true because being trapped in the shadow of defeat could really be there and this is  where

mental health do really differs because each person is totally different in terms of mindset and emotion.If they wouldn't really able to overcome those problems then they would really be having a hard

time on progressing further because that would really be a big hindrance for them to make themselves way more better than before.
on the other hand they are still quite young and indeed when they want to become a great boxer they must be able to let go of that shadow so that they become more resilient in the future and will not be shaken from a mental point of view.
they have to be able to beat the shadows within themselves even though it is a difficult thing but like it or not they have to pass for their career ladder to be even higher

There are boxers that are really shaken though, after a huge defeat, for example Ricky Hatton, who just completely lost it after the Manny Pacquiao knock out, and also Margarito, physically, Manny disfigured his face and was not the same after.

But Barrios and Thurman's lost was different that I think they can still go back. Although it really took Thurman a long time because maybe he was really affected, but it seems he was able to overcome it already in the last two years.
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January 05, 2022, 02:16:30 PM
You have to look at the previous discussion, friends, the purpose of the vision I said above is that they want to give today's battle a victory because they have experienced defeat before.
Of course, with the defeat in the previous battle, it certainly gave them more motivation so that they didn't lose for the second time.
but indeed things like this will not be easy because indirectly the defeat they feel can become a boomerang for them because they are still trapped in the shadow of defeat.
We aren't perfect even those people do say that forgetting the past might sound simple but this isn't something true because being trapped in the shadow of defeat could really be there and this is  where

mental health do really differs because each person is totally different in terms of mindset and emotion.If they wouldn't really able to overcome those problems then they would really be having a hard

time on progressing further because that would really be a big hindrance for them to make themselves way more better than before.
on the other hand they are still quite young and indeed when they want to become a great boxer they must be able to let go of that shadow so that they become more resilient in the future and will not be shaken from a mental point of view.
they have to be able to beat the shadows within themselves even though it is a difficult thing but like it or not they have to pass for their career ladder to be even higher
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January 04, 2022, 04:38:24 PM
You have to look at the previous discussion, friends, the purpose of the vision I said above is that they want to give today's battle a victory because they have experienced defeat before.
Of course, with the defeat in the previous battle, it certainly gave them more motivation so that they didn't lose for the second time.
but indeed things like this will not be easy because indirectly the defeat they feel can become a boomerang for them because they are still trapped in the shadow of defeat.

When you say a boxer is trapped in a shadow of defeat that means he no longer pursue his boxing career because of one devastating defeat. But these 2 fighters are still young and motivated, I guess that's because of that 1 defeat in their entire career. Though Thurman is the most favourite in this match, but I guess this fight will still be interesting because they both have 1 defeat and they both are eager to bounce back from their first loss. I don't think Barrios will be an easy opponent to defeat I mean he's younger and has the height and reach advantage.
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January 04, 2022, 04:06:35 PM

I'm sure they will, the hardest for a boxer is to win a comeback fight from a big fight, they badly needed this win to get into contention again, they must their demons and their struggle to comeback because both have frustrations from their last fight on Barrios getting knock out by Davis and Thurman losing a decision against Pacquiao, Barrios will have a huge struggle because he is fighting a guy who has good ring generalship power and experience, having both the best in the welterweight division.
they must destroy the doubts from within themselves at this time due to the defeat in the previous game.
besides practicing with more leverage will make them much stronger.
Honestly, I like these two boxers because they both have good vision at the moment.
now their match is just counting the days depending on how ready they are both in terms of training and mentally because now it is certain that the strong will win

Just for the record, both of them are coming from a big lost so not sure what do you mean by having a good vision?

Either way, only one of them would have to move in their career if they won this fight. And most likely as the boxing fans here favoured, it will be Thurman, although he lost to Manny Pacquiao, he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.
You have to look at the previous discussion, friends, the purpose of the vision I said above is that they want to give today's battle a victory because they have experienced defeat before.
Of course, with the defeat in the previous battle, it certainly gave them more motivation so that they didn't lose for the second time.
but indeed things like this will not be easy because indirectly the defeat they feel can become a boomerang for them because they are still trapped in the shadow of defeat.
We aren't perfect even those people do say that forgetting the past might sound simple but this isn't something true because being trapped in the shadow of defeat could really be there and this is  where

mental health do really differs because each person is totally different in terms of mindset and emotion.If they wouldn't really able to overcome those problems then they would really be having a hard

time on progressing further because that would really be a big hindrance for them to make themselves way more better than before.
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January 04, 2022, 11:41:36 AM

I'm sure they will, the hardest for a boxer is to win a comeback fight from a big fight, they badly needed this win to get into contention again, they must their demons and their struggle to comeback because both have frustrations from their last fight on Barrios getting knock out by Davis and Thurman losing a decision against Pacquiao, Barrios will have a huge struggle because he is fighting a guy who has good ring generalship power and experience, having both the best in the welterweight division.
they must destroy the doubts from within themselves at this time due to the defeat in the previous game.
besides practicing with more leverage will make them much stronger.
Honestly, I like these two boxers because they both have good vision at the moment.
now their match is just counting the days depending on how ready they are both in terms of training and mentally because now it is certain that the strong will win

Just for the record, both of them are coming from a big lost so not sure what do you mean by having a good vision?

Either way, only one of them would have to move in their career if they won this fight. And most likely as the boxing fans here favoured, it will be Thurman, although he lost to Manny Pacquiao, he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.
You have to look at the previous discussion, friends, the purpose of the vision I said above is that they want to give today's battle a victory because they have experienced defeat before.
Of course, with the defeat in the previous battle, it certainly gave them more motivation so that they didn't lose for the second time.
but indeed things like this will not be easy because indirectly the defeat they feel can become a boomerang for them because they are still trapped in the shadow of defeat.
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January 03, 2022, 05:25:22 PM
Now that Pacman is already retired, Thurman is coming back to try to win and dominate, that has been his goal from the start, it's just that he took the risk of fighting Pacman and failed,
Well, Thurman isn't that aged at all unlike Pacman who's already in the retiring age. Whether he wins or loses against Pacman, he's still able to fight since he's still younger than him.
Age has its role to play in boxing and so is experience.
Thurman taking on Pacman was just a way of him testing out his capacity through Pacman and all the hype statements he made before he fought Pacman then was just to build his confidence against the legend. You may not understand this, at some point boxers are also afraid of their opponent but they always choose to say some hype words just to see their opponent as someone they can easily defeat.
Having said that, I believe Thurman has learned a lot of things after fighting with Pacman and I see him as the winner of this fight.

but despite that, people are still happy with this boxing journey so far and they still believe that Thurman is a championship caliber fighter.
Yeah, it was a hell of a fight, and the marketing that Thurman made as noise really worked for that match of theirs. I wonder if he's going to do the same on this match that he's going to make some boastful statements which is really taking everyone's attention.
@Kelvinid People like because he always went for people who are well experienced than him.
@blockman Thurman is a fight that likes to do a lot of talking but let's wait if he's going to do something but I don't think he will.
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January 03, 2022, 04:58:48 PM
he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.

The moment he decided to fight again, he already sealed that loss in history and now moving on.

It's not just about the loss against Manny Pacquiao why he became inactive for 29 months. Some reasons are; his injury, the pandemic, and the lack of a possible fight date at the end of 2021. He knows how to accept the defeat and won't cry like a baby for long before accepting his loss.

Keith Thurman is ready to become a major player in the welterweight division

This is what I admire about Thurman, just before that Pacquiao's fight, he was vowing that he will retire Pacquiao.
But it was the opposite that happened inside the ring. And after that, he accepted his loss and made good friends with Pac.

https://www.ringtv.com/564493-keith-thurman-vows-to-retire-manny-pacquiao-but-pacquiao-says-hes-far-from-done/

Now, it seems, he is ready for his comeback after long hiatus. Definitely, he will comeback in full strength here.
To prove that he has still the power in this division, he maybe planning to defeat one boxer after another and he will start with Barrios.
Hoping that he will have good training because of the covid restrictions. Well, everywhere now is starting to see the impact of this omicron variant.

He was a good sport and we should understand that he trash-talking before the fight was just part of the business. Thurman accepted his loss and respected the Pacman after the fight, with that he also gain the respect of the fans, especially the Filipino fans all over the world.

I'm not sure if they are good friends but I heard in the news that Pacman name his dog Thurman, that's crazy.   Grin

This guy is admirable, at first we hate him because he was trash-talking out one and only living legend but later he vow to give credit to the champion. He is humble in real life but is good in selling his fight, and that was great fight between him and Manny so we deserve to see another fight from Thurman and this time arond I l know he will win.
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January 03, 2022, 03:57:08 PM
he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.

The moment he decided to fight again, he already sealed that loss in history and now moving on.

It's not just about the loss against Manny Pacquiao why he became inactive for 29 months. Some reasons are; his injury, the pandemic, and the lack of a possible fight date at the end of 2021. He knows how to accept the defeat and won't cry like a baby for long before accepting his loss.

Keith Thurman is ready to become a major player in the welterweight division

This is what I admire about Thurman, just before that Pacquiao's fight, he was vowing that he will retire Pacquiao.
But it was the opposite that happened inside the ring. And after that, he accepted his loss and made good friends with Pac.

https://www.ringtv.com/564493-keith-thurman-vows-to-retire-manny-pacquiao-but-pacquiao-says-hes-far-from-done/

Now, it seems, he is ready for his comeback after long hiatus. Definitely, he will comeback in full strength here.
To prove that he has still the power in this division, he maybe planning to defeat one boxer after another and he will start with Barrios.
Hoping that he will have good training because of the covid restrictions. Well, everywhere now is starting to see the impact of this omicron variant.

He was a good sport and we should understand that he trash-talking before the fight was just part of the business. Thurman accepted his loss and respected the Pacman after the fight, with that he also gain the respect of the fans, especially the Filipino fans all over the world.

I'm not sure if they are good friends but I heard in the news that Pacman name his dog Thurman, that's crazy.   Grin
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January 03, 2022, 03:51:44 PM

The two boxers will definitely beat their enemies to death because they really don't want to lose again because if I'm not mistaken they lost to their opponents in the last match.
This will be interesting but I totally agree with you because I think Thurman will definitely be better now

I'm sure they will, the hardest for a boxer is to win a comeback fight from a big fight, they badly needed this win to get into contention again, they must their demons and their struggle to comeback because both have frustrations from their last fight on Barrios getting knock out by Davis and Thurman losing a decision against Pacquiao, Barrios will have a huge struggle because he is fighting a guy who has good ring generalship power and experience, having both the best in the welterweight division.
they must destroy the doubts from within themselves at this time due to the defeat in the previous game.
besides practicing with more leverage will make them much stronger.
Honestly, I like these two boxers because they both have good vision at the moment.
now their match is just counting the days depending on how ready they are both in terms of training and mentally because now it is certain that the strong will win

Just for the record, both of them are coming from a big lost so not sure what do you mean by having a good vision?

Either way, only one of them would have to move in their career if they won this fight. And most likely as the boxing fans here favoured, it will be Thurman, although he lost to Manny Pacquiao, he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.

He will, and he already rested well to recover and to start his journey again. The champions in the Welterweight have to consider Thurman as a big threat to them, he only loses once and that is against MP, so he is still a good fighter that could become a champion again.

Barrios? I'm not underestimating him but I don't see him having a chance to beat Thurman.
They would really see Thurman as a threat and if ever they do really make out some underestimation then they shouldnt because this guy is indeed capable and strong and its true or they should
mind that this guy only lost once on his entire career and if you do look up on technicalities on how this dude fights then you could really say that this isnt something that you
should really be confident off.He might not able to fight for a while but doesnt mean that his boxing becomes rubbish.
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January 03, 2022, 02:02:45 PM
he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.

The moment he decided to fight again, he already sealed that loss in history and now moving on.

It's not just about the loss against Manny Pacquiao why he became inactive for 29 months. Some reasons are; his injury, the pandemic, and the lack of a possible fight date at the end of 2021. He knows how to accept the defeat and won't cry like a baby for long before accepting his loss.

Keith Thurman is ready to become a major player in the welterweight division

This is what I admire about Thurman, just before that Pacquiao's fight, he was vowing that he will retire Pacquiao.
But it was the opposite that happened inside the ring. And after that, he accepted his loss and made good friends with Pac.

https://www.ringtv.com/564493-keith-thurman-vows-to-retire-manny-pacquiao-but-pacquiao-says-hes-far-from-done/

Now, it seems, he is ready for his comeback after long hiatus. Definitely, he will comeback in full strength here.
To prove that he has still the power in this division, he maybe planning to defeat one boxer after another and he will start with Barrios.
Hoping that he will have good training because of the covid restrictions. Well, everywhere now is starting to see the impact of this omicron variant.

From what I read in both articles you have shared, it's a revamped Keith Thurman that we will be able to see.

Based also on the way he states his statement, he is on a mission to get back again at the spotlight where he is before.

As a former world titleholder, he already knows what things should be done to reach the Finish line. Not judging the result of the fight early but I don't see Barrios winning against Thurman.
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January 03, 2022, 01:35:50 PM
he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.

The moment he decided to fight again, he already sealed that loss in history and now moving on.

It's not just about the loss against Manny Pacquiao why he became inactive for 29 months. Some reasons are; his injury, the pandemic, and the lack of a possible fight date at the end of 2021. He knows how to accept the defeat and won't cry like a baby for long before accepting his loss.

Keith Thurman is ready to become a major player in the welterweight division

This is what I admire about Thurman, just before that Pacquiao's fight, he was vowing that he will retire Pacquiao.
But it was the opposite that happened inside the ring. And after that, he accepted his loss and made good friends with Pac.

https://www.ringtv.com/564493-keith-thurman-vows-to-retire-manny-pacquiao-but-pacquiao-says-hes-far-from-done/

Now, it seems, he is ready for his comeback after long hiatus. Definitely, he will comeback in full strength here.
To prove that he has still the power in this division, he maybe planning to defeat one boxer after another and he will start with Barrios.
Hoping that he will have good training because of the covid restrictions. Well, everywhere now is starting to see the impact of this omicron variant.
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January 03, 2022, 12:59:57 PM
he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.

The moment he decided to fight again, he already sealed that loss in history and now moving on.

It's not just about the loss against Manny Pacquiao why he became inactive for 29 months. Some reasons are; his injury, the pandemic, and the lack of a possible fight date at the end of 2021. He knows how to accept the defeat and won't cry like a baby for long before accepting his loss.

Keith Thurman is ready to become a major player in the welterweight division
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January 03, 2022, 06:29:08 AM

The two boxers will definitely beat their enemies to death because they really don't want to lose again because if I'm not mistaken they lost to their opponents in the last match.
This will be interesting but I totally agree with you because I think Thurman will definitely be better now

I'm sure they will, the hardest for a boxer is to win a comeback fight from a big fight, they badly needed this win to get into contention again, they must their demons and their struggle to comeback because both have frustrations from their last fight on Barrios getting knock out by Davis and Thurman losing a decision against Pacquiao, Barrios will have a huge struggle because he is fighting a guy who has good ring generalship power and experience, having both the best in the welterweight division.
they must destroy the doubts from within themselves at this time due to the defeat in the previous game.
besides practicing with more leverage will make them much stronger.
Honestly, I like these two boxers because they both have good vision at the moment.
now their match is just counting the days depending on how ready they are both in terms of training and mentally because now it is certain that the strong will win

Just for the record, both of them are coming from a big lost so not sure what do you mean by having a good vision?

Either way, only one of them would have to move in their career if they won this fight. And most likely as the boxing fans here favoured, it will be Thurman, although he lost to Manny Pacquiao, he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.

He will, and he already rested well to recover and to start his journey again. The champions in the Welterweight have to consider Thurman as a big threat to them, he only loses once and that is against MP, so he is still a good fighter that could become a champion again.

Barrios? I'm not underestimating him but I don't see him having a chance to beat Thurman.
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January 03, 2022, 06:16:18 AM

The two boxers will definitely beat their enemies to death because they really don't want to lose again because if I'm not mistaken they lost to their opponents in the last match.
This will be interesting but I totally agree with you because I think Thurman will definitely be better now

I'm sure they will, the hardest for a boxer is to win a comeback fight from a big fight, they badly needed this win to get into contention again, they must their demons and their struggle to comeback because both have frustrations from their last fight on Barrios getting knock out by Davis and Thurman losing a decision against Pacquiao, Barrios will have a huge struggle because he is fighting a guy who has good ring generalship power and experience, having both the best in the welterweight division.
they must destroy the doubts from within themselves at this time due to the defeat in the previous game.
besides practicing with more leverage will make them much stronger.
Honestly, I like these two boxers because they both have good vision at the moment.
now their match is just counting the days depending on how ready they are both in terms of training and mentally because now it is certain that the strong will win

Just for the record, both of them are coming from a big lost so not sure what do you mean by having a good vision?

Either way, only one of them would have to move in their career if they won this fight. And most likely as the boxing fans here favoured, it will be Thurman, although he lost to Manny Pacquiao, he could have recovered already from that pain and could be looking to put his name again in the welterweight division.
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January 03, 2022, 06:15:18 AM
Now that Pacman is already retired, Thurman is coming back to try to win and dominate, that has been his goal from the start, it's just that he took the risk of fighting Pacman and failed,
Well, Thurman isn't that aged at all unlike Pacman who's already in the retiring age. Whether he wins or loses against Pacman, he's still able to fight since he's still younger than him.


Thurman is in his 30's while Pacman is already in his 40's. Both are great boxers, the fight was very close and very entertaining as well, the fact that Thurman was able to give a good fight to Pacman, I believe he is at Pacman's level and not on the level of Barrios as he has not proven himself and has become a champion yet.
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