[Boxing]: Thurman vs Barrios - Feb 5 - page 19.

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I believe that Mario Barrios has a good chance to win this fight since Keith Thurman has not been in the ring for over two and a half years. That time might have taken its toll on his physical condition. Mario Barrios also has a height and arm length advantage, which might help him. It will be interesting to see this fight.

But the thing is that Barrios is the one going up in weight and we don't know if he can handle a full 147 lbs boxers. He was knockout by a midget (Tank Davis) at 140 lbs. What more of a legitimate welterweight with powers in both hands? So I doubt that he can pull an upset just because Thurman has not been in the ring for two years.

Each of us has our own views on this or that fight and boxers. This is quite normal. Also, this is my assumption and I do not advise to use this information when making decisions when betting on one of the boxers. I probably won't bet on this fight myself, but I will definitely watch it. There is still enough time to change my mind though.

Well I'm been betting on boxing matches for years now, and one thing I've look in the boxers past fights and the weight his in. So obviously, Barrios here is coming from a lost (and so is Thurman), but in this fight, he might not be comfortable going up in weight in 147 lbs. So he is really at a disadvantage here and that's why I said the chances for him are slim to upset a fighter like Thurman in a division that he is more familiar with.

Some sports analysts believe that after such a long break it is hard to return to the ring in the same form as Keith Thurman had before the three-year break. That's why I think the odds are even. May the best man win, but I'd like to see Mario Barrios win. I like the fact that he took this fight so well and that deserves a lot of credit.

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Of course, that is whey we have weight classes here, because it aids us in analysing the fight. As Barrios is not used to this weight, while Thurman has been campaigning at welterweight since the beginning of his career. Unless Barrios are like the greats, Pacman and Canelo Alvarez who goes up in weight and defeated their opponents. There's nothing extraordinary with him, in fact we all know that Davis has knock him out already. And so fighting a bigger guy in Thurman might be a problem for Barrios.

As far as I know Mario Barrios changes his weight class on the advice of his coach. I don't think he wants to ruin his boxing career with this decision. And we don't see what's going on behind the scenes. It is quite possible that while he was out of the ring his training was more intense to feel good in the welterweight division.

This is a big challenge for Barrios and maybe he just really want to move forward and try a higher weight class and make his name on that level, that is possible as long as he hits the right weight, though it may not be easy but at least he has a chance to win especially Thurman is also came from a big loss and long lay off. This is a good math up, both are eager to win, we may not know what's happening behind the scene but at least we have the idea on their future match up.

Definitely, but he is biting more than he can chew here, I mean why he chooses a former champion to be his first fight in this division? Maybe he thinks that Thurman, being away and coming from a loss will be an advantage for him? But I doubt it though, Thurman has face a lot of great boxers in this division and so far only Pacquiao beat him.

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I believe that Mario Barrios has a good chance to win this fight since Keith Thurman has not been in the ring for over two and a half years. That time might have taken its toll on his physical condition. Mario Barrios also has a height and arm length advantage, which might help him. It will be interesting to see this fight.

But the thing is that Barrios is the one going up in weight and we don't know if he can handle a full 147 lbs boxers. He was knockout by a midget (Tank Davis) at 140 lbs. What more of a legitimate welterweight with powers in both hands? So I doubt that he can pull an upset just because Thurman has not been in the ring for two years.

Each of us has our own views on this or that fight and boxers. This is quite normal. Also, this is my assumption and I do not advise to use this information when making decisions when betting on one of the boxers. I probably won't bet on this fight myself, but I will definitely watch it. There is still enough time to change my mind though.

Well I'm been betting on boxing matches for years now, and one thing I've look in the boxers past fights and the weight his in. So obviously, Barrios here is coming from a lost (and so is Thurman), but in this fight, he might not be comfortable going up in weight in 147 lbs. So he is really at a disadvantage here and that's why I said the chances for him are slim to upset a fighter like Thurman in a division that he is more familiar with.

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Quote from: madnessteat on December 27, 2021, 07:59:00 AM

Quote from: Jating on December 27, 2021, 02:46:59 AM

Of course, that is whey we have weight classes here, because it aids us in analysing the fight. As Barrios is not used to this weight, while Thurman has been campaigning at welterweight since the beginning of his career. Unless Barrios are like the greats, Pacman and Canelo Alvarez who goes up in weight and defeated their opponents. There's nothing extraordinary with him, in fact we all know that Davis has knock him out already. And so fighting a bigger guy in Thurman might be a problem for Barrios.

As far as I know Mario Barrios changes his weight class on the advice of his coach. I don't think he wants to ruin his boxing career with this decision. And we don't see what's going on behind the scenes. It is quite possible that while he was out of the ring his training was more intense to feel good in the welterweight division.

This is a big challenge for Barrios and maybe he just really want to move forward and try a higher weight class and make his name on that level, that is possible as long as he hits the right weight, though it may not be easy but at least he has a chance to win especially Thurman is also came from a big loss and long lay off. This is a good math up, both are eager to win, we may not know what's happening behind the scene but at least we have the idea on their future match up.

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Quote from: madnessteat on December 27, 2021, 07:59:00 AM

Quote from: Jating on December 27, 2021, 02:46:59 AM

Of course, that is whey we have weight classes here, because it aids us in analysing the fight. As Barrios is not used to this weight, while Thurman has been campaigning at welterweight since the beginning of his career. Unless Barrios are like the greats, Pacman and Canelo Alvarez who goes up in weight and defeated their opponents. There's nothing extraordinary with him, in fact we all know that Davis has knock him out already. And so fighting a bigger guy in Thurman might be a problem for Barrios.

As far as I know Mario Barrios changes his weight class on the advice of his coach. I don't think he wants to ruin his boxing career with this decision. And we don't see what's going on behind the scenes. It is quite possible that while he was out of the ring his training was more intense to feel good in the welterweight division.

Both fighters want to win the fight, so may the best man wins in the fight night. As for me and some of the boxing fans, we choose to side with Thurman because he is the more popular boxer and he was also a champion before Pacman strip his belt. Now, he is coming back and trying to prove something which I think the right decision to make by a previous boxing champion.

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Quote from: Jating on December 27, 2021, 02:46:59 AM

Of course, that is whey we have weight classes here, because it aids us in analysing the fight. As Barrios is not used to this weight, while Thurman has been campaigning at welterweight since the beginning of his career. Unless Barrios are like the greats, Pacman and Canelo Alvarez who goes up in weight and defeated their opponents. There's nothing extraordinary with him, in fact we all know that Davis has knock him out already. And so fighting a bigger guy in Thurman might be a problem for Barrios.

As far as I know Mario Barrios changes his weight class on the advice of his coach. I don't think he wants to ruin his boxing career with this decision. And we don't see what's going on behind the scenes. It is quite possible that while he was out of the ring his training was more intense to feel good in the welterweight division.

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Barrios was exposed against his fight against Tank and Thurman just run out of gas in his fight against Pacquiao, so between the two Thurman is the better fighter, Thurman is still dangerous and still at the height of his career, he fought some of the best welterweights before he loses to Pacquiao, Thurman will be the heavy favorite in this fight, but Barrios can deliver an upset he has a good record, whoever wins here will be in track for another title crack.

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That's right, betting has to be taken seriously because we are risking money, there are fights that we choose to watch only but would not put our bet because we are not confident with our prediction or we just don't see the value for us to win. For me, this is a big fight and I will never miss watching this and I'm surely gonna put my bet. As I am impressed with Thurman's performance against pacquioa although he lose, so I would put my bet on him to win this fight.

And as a bettor, it is our responsibility to carefully assess the fighter that we will be going to put our bets on because we are totally taking the risk of putting our money in the hand of a fighter if he wins then you will also gonna win. With regards to the upcoming fight of Thurman vs. Barrios, referring to their fight record and base on their fight experiences I believe that both are capable to put each other into a knock-out win. Both are also has a single loss, this will be a challenging fight for the two fighters but at this time I will going to favor on Thurman's side.

I guess the majority of us here would go for Thurman to win this fight. For me, if Thurman was not inactive after his fight with Pacquiao, he would definitely not gonna go down hard in ranking, so this is his chance to come back and be a good challenger to the champions. So without a doubt, no changing of mind, I'm with Thurman 100% to win.

Yes mate, as I have said in the beginning of the thread, Thurman even if inactive for more than two years, still is being rank very high even in the top 3 or top 4 in the rankings.

And so when he decided to fight again, he will be the heavy favoured against an inexperience Barrios at this weight category. So yes, based on the comments, no doubt that Thurman is most likely to win the fight with a knock out.

I am also leaning on Thurman to win by KO here, Pacquiao himself admitted during the post-fight interview that Thurman is a heavy puncher, and he was really hurt during the fight, so most likely, if Barrios is not as fast as Pacquiao, he might easily get caught by the power punches of Thurman and this fight will not last longer.

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Quote from: Viscore on December 27, 2021, 06:14:30 AM

Quote from: molsewid on December 26, 2021, 09:53:33 AM

Quote from: Viscore on December 26, 2021, 09:16:15 AM

That's right, betting has to be taken seriously because we are risking money, there are fights that we choose to watch only but would not put our bet because we are not confident with our prediction or we just don't see the value for us to win. For me, this is a big fight and I will never miss watching this and I'm surely gonna put my bet. As I am impressed with Thurman's performance against pacquioa although he lose, so I would put my bet on him to win this fight.

And as a bettor, it is our responsibility to carefully assess the fighter that we will be going to put our bets on because we are totally taking the risk of putting our money in the hand of a fighter if he wins then you will also gonna win. With regards to the upcoming fight of Thurman vs. Barrios, referring to their fight record and base on their fight experiences I believe that both are capable to put each other into a knock-out win. Both are also has a single loss, this will be a challenging fight for the two fighters but at this time I will going to favor on Thurman's side.

I guess the majority of us here would go for Thurman to win this fight. For me, if Thurman was not inactive after his fight with Pacquiao, he would definitely not gonna go down hard in ranking, so this is his chance to come back and be a good challenger to the champions. So without a doubt, no changing of mind, I'm with Thurman 100% to win.

Yes mate, as I have said in the beginning of the thread, Thurman even if inactive for more than two years, still is being rank very high even in the top 3 or top 4 in the rankings.

And so when he decided to fight again, he will be the heavy favoured against an inexperience Barrios at this weight category. So yes, based on the comments, no doubt that Thurman is most likely to win the fight with a knock out.

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Quote from: molsewid on December 26, 2021, 09:53:33 AM

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That's right, betting has to be taken seriously because we are risking money, there are fights that we choose to watch only but would not put our bet because we are not confident with our prediction or we just don't see the value for us to win. For me, this is a big fight and I will never miss watching this and I'm surely gonna put my bet. As I am impressed with Thurman's performance against pacquioa although he lose, so I would put my bet on him to win this fight.

And as a bettor, it is our responsibility to carefully assess the fighter that we will be going to put our bets on because we are totally taking the risk of putting our money in the hand of a fighter if he wins then you will also gonna win. With regards to the upcoming fight of Thurman vs. Barrios, referring to their fight record and base on their fight experiences I believe that both are capable to put each other into a knock-out win. Both are also has a single loss, this will be a challenging fight for the two fighters but at this time I will going to favor on Thurman's side.

I guess the majority of us here would go for Thurman to win this fight. For me, if Thurman was not inactive after his fight with Pacquiao, he would definitely not gonna go down hard in ranking, so this is his chance to come back and be a good challenger to the champions. So without a doubt, no changing of mind, I'm with Thurman 100% to win.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on December 27, 2021, 05:43:16 AM

Thurman looks like an experienced fighter and barrios seem young . Thurman maybe be tough to Barrios due to age different and experience in fighting. I feel thurman may defeat barrios, let see how it goes.

Yep the things why Thurman is experienced boxer because he was fought with several good boxer (e.g. Pacquiao, Garcia, Porter, etc) unlike Barrios he only fought with one good boxer (e.g. Davis). The ages difference only 7 years, I don't think it's will have a big impact for the fight... the weight is more important because different weight will have different strength.

Barrios was KOed by Davis in previous fight, it's a high chance he will lose with same conditions too.

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Thurman looks like an experienced fighter and barrios seem young . Thurman maybe be tough to Barrios due to age different and experience in fighting. I feel thurman may defeat barrios, let see how it goes.

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Quote from: madnessteat on December 26, 2021, 08:28:08 AM

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But the thing is that Barrios is the one going up in weight and we don't know if he can handle a full 147 lbs boxers. He was knockout by a midget (Tank Davis) at 140 lbs. What more of a legitimate welterweight with powers in both hands? So I doubt that he can pull an upset just because Thurman has not been in the ring for two years.

Also, this is my assumption and I do not advise to use this information when making decisions when betting on one of the boxers.

I disagree with you. That weight capability should be one of the factors we need to include in our analysis of a certain match. There are already lots of events before that a boxer got a problem in an actual fight because they are not used on that catchweight limit.

Not an assurance that the mentioned factor is helpful but it can give us a preview of how the fight will look like.

Of course, that is whey we have weight classes here, because it aids us in analysing the fight. As Barrios is not used to this weight, while Thurman has been campaigning at welterweight since the beginning of his career. Unless Barrios are like the greats, Pacman and Canelo Alvarez who goes up in weight and defeated their opponents. There's nothing extraordinary with him, in fact we all know that Davis has knock him out already. And so fighting a bigger guy in Thurman might be a problem for Barrios.

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Quote from: madnessteat on December 26, 2021, 08:28:08 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on December 26, 2021, 06:25:32 AM

But the thing is that Barrios is the one going up in weight and we don't know if he can handle a full 147 lbs boxers. He was knockout by a midget (Tank Davis) at 140 lbs. What more of a legitimate welterweight with powers in both hands? So I doubt that he can pull an upset just because Thurman has not been in the ring for two years.

Also, this is my assumption and I do not advise to use this information when making decisions when betting on one of the boxers.

I disagree with you. That weight capability should be one of the factors we need to include in our analysis of a certain match. There are already lots of events before that a boxer got a problem in an actual fight because they are not used on that catchweight limit.

Not an assurance that the mentioned factor is helpful but it can give us a preview of how the fight will look like.

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So after Barrios gets KO by Tank Davis, he decided to go up to the welterweight where in there's a lot of big puncher? The only reason I can think of is that he really is too big for 140 lbs and there's no way he can make that weight in his next fight.

For Thurman, it's been a long layoff away from boxing, but yes, probably this is a cherry pick fight for his comeback. Because admit it or not, Barrios can't take his punches so Thurman has all the advantages in this fight.

After the fight between Pacquiao and Thurman, I gained nothing but respect to the latter. He definitely handled the loss professionally- and his comments about the entire fight were really respectable on his part. After checking now the past records of Barrios, you are definitely right on your analysis.

As much as that I really prefer betting on the underdog on boxing, my bet would definitely lean towards Thurman due to his destructive power and hunger for a comeback. I really doubt that Barrios would be able to snatch the victory here but who knows!

That's the right decision, I still consider Thurman as a great fighter because Manny did not really dominate him in the fight, it was a split decision and Thurman came out strong in the 2nd half of the fight but the judges give Pacquiao the win. He loses against a legend but I don't think he will lose against Barrios who is nowhere near Manny in terms of skills and achievement.

When it comes to performance then I could say that Thurman is much better when it comes to technicality and in stamina and its true that he almost beat up Manny Pacquiao if he had able to

to make more points then he might able to beat it up but we know that anything in the past or trying out to compared Pacquiao vs Barrios in case then making out those comparisons
basing up on personal assumptions wouldn't be a solid thing for you to rely in terms of your betting choices.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 25, 2021, 05:49:10 AM

So after Barrios gets KO by Tank Davis, he decided to go up to the welterweight where in there's a lot of big puncher? The only reason I can think of is that he really is too big for 140 lbs and there's no way he can make that weight in his next fight.

For Thurman, it's been a long layoff away from boxing, but yes, probably this is a cherry pick fight for his comeback. Because admit it or not, Barrios can't take his punches so Thurman has all the advantages in this fight.

After the fight between Pacquiao and Thurman, I gained nothing but respect to the latter. He definitely handled the loss professionally- and his comments about the entire fight were really respectable on his part. After checking now the past records of Barrios, you are definitely right on your analysis.

As much as that I really prefer betting on the underdog on boxing, my bet would definitely lean towards Thurman due to his destructive power and hunger for a comeback. I really doubt that Barrios would be able to snatch the victory here but who knows!

That's the right decision, I still consider Thurman as a great fighter because Manny did not really dominate him in the fight, it was a split decision and Thurman came out strong in the 2nd half of the fight but the judges give Pacquiao the win. He loses against a legend but I don't think he will lose against Barrios who is nowhere near Manny in terms of skills and achievement.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 26, 2021, 11:10:26 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 25, 2021, 05:49:10 AM

So after Barrios gets KO by Tank Davis, he decided to go up to the welterweight where in there's a lot of big puncher? The only reason I can think of is that he really is too big for 140 lbs and there's no way he can make that weight in his next fight.

For Thurman, it's been a long layoff away from boxing, but yes, probably this is a cherry pick fight for his comeback. Because admit it or not, Barrios can't take his punches so Thurman has all the advantages in this fight.

After the fight between Pacquiao and Thurman, I gained nothing but respect to the latter. He definitely handled the loss professionally- and his comments about the entire fight were really respectable on his part. After checking now the past records of Barrios, you are definitely right on your analysis.

As much as that I really prefer betting on the underdog on boxing, my bet would definitely lean towards Thurman due to his destructive power and hunger for a comeback. I really doubt that Barrios would be able to snatch the victory here but who knows!

we can understand if this is a cherry pick fight for Thurman. with the relatively long rest in the boxing ring, he maybe wants to assure himself how he will perform again inside the ring. we will see if he has still the power just like before.
and yes, i do agree with thurman's attitude after his loss from pacquiao. he handled it well and he didn't throw any trash talks. i even saw a YT clip before Pacquiao's supposedly fight with Spence Jr, Thurman asked Pacquiao if he owned a dog named Thurman - YT link , this is nice to watch though. you can see the respect in both boxers.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 25, 2021, 05:49:10 AM

So after Barrios gets KO by Tank Davis, he decided to go up to the welterweight where in there's a lot of big puncher? The only reason I can think of is that he really is too big for 140 lbs and there's no way he can make that weight in his next fight.

For Thurman, it's been a long layoff away from boxing, but yes, probably this is a cherry pick fight for his comeback. Because admit it or not, Barrios can't take his punches so Thurman has all the advantages in this fight.

After the fight between Pacquiao and Thurman, I gained nothing but respect to the latter. He definitely handled the loss professionally- and his comments about the entire fight were really respectable on his part. After checking now the past records of Barrios, you are definitely right on your analysis.

As much as that I really prefer betting on the underdog on boxing, my bet would definitely lean towards Thurman due to his destructive power and hunger for a comeback. I really doubt that Barrios would be able to snatch the victory here but who knows!

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Quote from: molsewid on December 26, 2021, 09:53:33 AM

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Absolutely agree with you both boxers have good track records but Keith Thurman has almost 3 years down. Many bettors do not take that into account and no one can be completely sure that he will have the same form as three years ago. So it's hard to predict the winner of this fight.

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Quote from: Viscore on December 26, 2021, 09:16:15 AM

That's right, betting has to be taken seriously because we are risking money, there are fights that we choose to watch only but would not put our bet because we are not confident with our prediction or we just don't see the value for us to win. For me, this is a big fight and I will never miss watching this and I'm surely gonna put my bet. As I am impressed with Thurman's performance against pacquioa although he lose, so I would put my bet on him to win this fight.

And as a bettor, it is our responsibility to carefully assess the fighter that we will be going to put our bets on because we are totally taking the risk of putting our money in the hand of a fighter if he wins then you will also gonna win. With regards to the upcoming fight of Thurman vs. Barrios, referring to their fight record and base on their fight experiences I believe that both are capable to put each other into a knock-out win. Both are also has a single loss, this will be a challenging fight for the two fighters but at this time I will going to favor on Thurman's side.

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