[Boxing] Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua - page 4.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on February 07, 2021, 06:39:46 AM

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What's the difference with Judges in the US vs Judges in UK, I'm just curious because I always believe that big fights will always find judges with good reputation and it's just only us who are speculating there's a cheating happening if our fighter will loss.

To see how corrupt judges can be you can watch how Robin Reid was robbed of his victory against Sven Ottke, then you have Timothy Bradley fight when he clearly lost 10 rounds against Manny Pacquiao and yet he was the winner by split decision and there are several other matches.

The simple difference is UK has way less controversial decisions than US and Germany.

Quote from: South Park on February 10, 2021, 03:45:07 PM

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That is because we all love a comeback history about redemption, there was no doubt that he was the best heavyweight champion in the world but those problems outside the ring caught up to him and it seemed as if he will never recover from those problems but then he did and not only he became world champion again but he is still the best and right now there is only one person that can proclaim the opposite and that is Joshua and we are about to see who is right.

Everyone loves a comeback story and Tyson Fury just blown away every imagination on what a perfect come back story should be and other than that the only fighter i remember who came back after a decade of retirement was George Foreman but he turned to religion than drugs and yet was able to win the heavyweight belt in his older days.

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Tyson Fury is such a unique fighter. Every time he goes into a fight I think he's going to lose badly, but he always wins. I saw a sports science episode on him I'll never forget. The guy's ability to react and dodge fights is super human. Literally, his response time is far greater than most human beings to the point it has allowed him to become an elite fighter in spite of some major flaws. Given his appearance, I think his gifts catch opponents off guard and allow him to take advantage of their underestimation of him. I don't think his style is a secret, so you know fighters are training for it, but seeing it in person is another story they can't really train for which is why I think it catches them off guard even when they are expecting it.

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Quote from: South Park on February 10, 2021, 03:45:07 PM

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Quote from: stadus on February 01, 2021, 05:27:46 PM

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It's a positive kind of hard work, Joshua has easily redeemed his name and if he make an excuse during the loss, he was right since he dominated Ruiz in the rematch, unlike Wilder of course that he never win a single fight against Fury but fans weigh the fight of Fury is bigger than AJ since Fury came as the underdog in the first fight while AJ was the favorites in both fights.

I am certain that Tyson Fury made more fans when he returned after a long gap undergoing depression and ballooning up to 400 pounds and to make a come back and fight the champion in Wilder who everyone claimed to be the hardest puncher in history and i am sure Wilder choose Tyson Fury because no one retires from boxing and makes a successful come back after going through all these troubles and Wilder thought it would an easy fight and add Fury to his legacy, but that plan back fired big time and now Wilder is trying to convince others with all the excuses in the world and he might be cursing the decision to even fighting Fury. Cheesy

That is because we all love a comeback history about redemption, there was no doubt that he was the best heavyweight champion in the world but those problems outside the ring caught up to him and it seemed as if he will never recover from those problems but then he did and not only he became world champion again but he is still the best and right now there is only one person that can proclaim the opposite and that is Joshua and we are about to see who is right.

You said it right, most fans loves to see how former champs go back inside he ring ang fought with the current title holder, it's really excite those who awaits that fight and Fury didn't dissapoint them.

Now that he's going to another challenge to depend his belt, fans again will support him and see how he will make another victory
though the opponents is also a tough fighter which can also bring him down and snatch what he got from his belt, it will adds up
the entertaining part of this fight.

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Quote from: ene1980 on February 06, 2021, 04:34:36 AM

Quote from: stadus on February 01, 2021, 05:27:46 PM

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It's a positive kind of hard work, Joshua has easily redeemed his name and if he make an excuse during the loss, he was right since he dominated Ruiz in the rematch, unlike Wilder of course that he never win a single fight against Fury but fans weigh the fight of Fury is bigger than AJ since Fury came as the underdog in the first fight while AJ was the favorites in both fights.

I am certain that Tyson Fury made more fans when he returned after a long gap undergoing depression and ballooning up to 400 pounds and to make a come back and fight the champion in Wilder who everyone claimed to be the hardest puncher in history and i am sure Wilder choose Tyson Fury because no one retires from boxing and makes a successful come back after going through all these troubles and Wilder thought it would an easy fight and add Fury to his legacy, but that plan back fired big time and now Wilder is trying to convince others with all the excuses in the world and he might be cursing the decision to even fighting Fury. Cheesy

That is because we all love a comeback history about redemption, there was no doubt that he was the best heavyweight champion in the world but those problems outside the ring caught up to him and it seemed as if he will never recover from those problems but then he did and not only he became world champion again but he is still the best and right now there is only one person that can proclaim the opposite and that is Joshua and we are about to see who is right.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on February 07, 2021, 06:39:46 AM

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on February 01, 2021, 11:28:13 AM

Off course, an underdog only has a less chance to win in the fight, that's according to the bookmakers, but they could also win.

This fight is a big proof that underdog could win.

No doubt Teofimo Lopez win was the biggest upset but i saw that as a really close fight, the fight hangs on how you score the first 7 rounds but if the fight takes place in UK then we expect good judges to score these high profile fights.

What's the difference with Judges in the US vs Judges in UK, I'm just curious because I always believe that big fights will always find judges with good reputation and it's just only us who are speculating there's a cheating happening if our fighter will loss.

Probably some judges in US are more corrupt than judges in UK, I'm just guessing, LMAO.

There's always cheating in any sports competition, but it's just usually based on our own speculation because I don't know if there are judges who are already guilty of cheating and got jailed, but if you are a fighter and you think that you'll that you have less chance of winning if it goes to scorecard, you should make sure you knockout your opponent, of if now, at least show that you are dominating the fight.

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Quote from: ene1980 on February 01, 2021, 12:25:20 PM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on February 01, 2021, 11:28:13 AM

Off course, an underdog only has a less chance to win in the fight, that's according to the bookmakers, but they could also win.

This fight is a big proof that underdog could win.

No doubt Teofimo Lopez win was the biggest upset but i saw that as a really close fight, the fight hangs on how you score the first 7 rounds but if the fight takes place in UK then we expect good judges to score these high profile fights.

What's the difference with Judges in the US vs Judges in UK, I'm just curious because I always believe that big fights will always find judges with good reputation and it's just only us who are speculating there's a cheating happening if our fighter will loss.

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Update on this fight.

2021 Fury vs Joshua update: Eddie Hearn says deal is close, then location will be decided

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“We’ve had massive offers from the Middle East. We’re talking to Qatar, we’re talking to Saudi Arabia, we’re talking to Abu Dhabi, we’re talking to Singapore, we’re talking to China, we’re talking to America, there’s a couple of wild cards in there, as well,” he said.

More options the better, but if I would be the one to choose, I choose to have it happen outside the US, just for a change.

Middle East will be viable like Saudi Arabia, we have one successful heavyweight fight recently there, Joshua vs Ruiz. So it will be better if they could go back and replicated the success to the next level. Just have to take into consideration safety and health protocols. And then the second fight will be stage in UK for more money as obviously both are British and have a lot of local followings.

It's up to the promoters, they will consider everything but for sure they will go with the venue that they can get big money. As per report, both are guaranteed $100 million each, so this is really a big fight that we should not miss, who knows it will be the one and only fight.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on January 15, 2021, 04:54:06 PM

Today Tyson Fury tweeted out a statement confirming that Anthony Joshua will be his next opponent. "Coming soon somewhere near you. 2021"

The tweet was accompanied by this photo:

Recent statements by promoters Bob Arum and Eddie Hearn indicate that the fight for the undisputed heavyweight championship will take place at a location in the Middle East.

There is already several casinos taking bets on the fight with Tyson Fury being the favorite according to the odds tracking site Pro Boxing Odds.

The Battle between Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua will be a very good fight and I tried to research between the comparison of Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua and this is what I got:
Fury has stepped into the ring 31 times over his 12-year career since turning pro in 2008. Five years later, in 2013, AJ, who made his professional debut, contested only seven fewer fights.
Both boxers are linked to 21 knockouts in the professional ranks, but considering that AJ has fewer pro fights, his knockout record boosts Fury to 67.7 percent with an 87.5 percent KO rate.
The advantage is kept by JD's unified champion AJ in the early stages of the fight, while Fury seems to prefer a more drawn out fight and will look to take Joshua into the later rounds.
If the two camps can settle on a war while holding all the belts, the true winner would be the sport of boxing, destined to be the biggest fight in British boxing history.

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Quote from: Japinat on February 06, 2021, 04:57:34 AM

Update on this fight.

2021 Fury vs Joshua update: Eddie Hearn says deal is close, then location will be decided

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“We’ve had massive offers from the Middle East. We’re talking to Qatar, we’re talking to Saudi Arabia, we’re talking to Abu Dhabi, we’re talking to Singapore, we’re talking to China, we’re talking to America, there’s a couple of wild cards in there, as well,” he said.

More options the better, but if I would be the one to choose, I choose to have it happen outside the US, just for a change.

Middle East will be viable like Saudi Arabia, we have one successful heavyweight fight recently there, Joshua vs Ruiz. So it will be better if they could go back and replicated the success to the next level. Just have to take into consideration safety and health protocols. And then the second fight will be stage in UK for more money as obviously both are British and have a lot of local followings.

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Update on this fight.

2021 Fury vs Joshua update: Eddie Hearn says deal is close, then location will be decided

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“We’ve had massive offers from the Middle East. We’re talking to Qatar, we’re talking to Saudi Arabia, we’re talking to Abu Dhabi, we’re talking to Singapore, we’re talking to China, we’re talking to America, there’s a couple of wild cards in there, as well,” he said.

More options the better, but if I would be the one to choose, I choose to have it happen outside the US, just for a change.

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Quote from: stadus on February 01, 2021, 05:27:46 PM

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It's a positive kind of hard work, Joshua has easily redeemed his name and if he make an excuse during the loss, he was right since he dominated Ruiz in the rematch, unlike Wilder of course that he never win a single fight against Fury but fans weigh the fight of Fury is bigger than AJ since Fury came as the underdog in the first fight while AJ was the favorites in both fights.

I am certain that Tyson Fury made more fans when he returned after a long gap undergoing depression and ballooning up to 400 pounds and to make a come back and fight the champion in Wilder who everyone claimed to be the hardest puncher in history and i am sure Wilder choose Tyson Fury because no one retires from boxing and makes a successful come back after going through all these troubles and Wilder thought it would an easy fight and add Fury to his legacy, but that plan back fired big time and now Wilder is trying to convince others with all the excuses in the world and he might be cursing the decision to even fighting Fury. Cheesy

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Quote from: Vaculin on February 05, 2021, 05:45:49 PM

Ruiz may won the fight but it was just a short fame he enjoyed and despite of that fame, people still have doubt in him and they were right since during the rematch, AJ easily beat him and resulted to a unanimous decision win.

I was not convinced with the Andy Ruiz rematch win as there were documented reports about the lifestyle change of Ruiz after the instant fame and his career is almost over as far as i understand and that was evident from the rematch and he never fought after that but the fight against Kubrat Pulev was great but he is getting old and he is not that fast, Fury will be the biggest test for AJ and it is the most anticipated fight in boxing.

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Quote from: South Park on February 05, 2021, 12:10:27 PM

In a way the loss of Joshua against Ruiz could be a net positive for him, he is no longer undefeated but he took lightly an opponent when in reality you cannot take anyone lightly the moment they set their feet on the ring, Ruiz had to be good to be given the chance and he did not took him seriously, but since the loss he has matured and improved his endurance and his mental toughness, and I really think he is going to need it as there is no doubt in my mind Fury is the best out of the two by a significant margin.

The idea of Anthony Joshua taking Ruiz lightly is a claim by media outlets as he was hand picked by the Joshua team and was a short time replacement fighter if i remember correctly and anyone fighting for the belt should understand that a punch could change the fight. Ruiz was known for his fast hands and it would be foolish to make a claim that he never knew that and an upset win derailed Ruiz as he never prepared and he was enjoying the unexpected fame and even that fight made it to the judges.

All we know is that Ruiz upset Joshua in the fight, he may not think it was an upset because fighters will always claim that they are the best but the betting odds says the reality, and Joshua was heavily favored to win in any sportsbook.

Ruiz may won the fight but it was just a short fame he enjoyed and despite of that fame, people still have doubt in him and they were right since during the rematch, AJ easily beat him and resulted to a unanimous decision win.

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Quote from: South Park on February 05, 2021, 12:10:27 PM

In a way the loss of Joshua against Ruiz could be a net positive for him, he is no longer undefeated but he took lightly an opponent when in reality you cannot take anyone lightly the moment they set their feet on the ring, Ruiz had to be good to be given the chance and he did not took him seriously, but since the loss he has matured and improved his endurance and his mental toughness, and I really think he is going to need it as there is no doubt in my mind Fury is the best out of the two by a significant margin.

The idea of Anthony Joshua taking Ruiz lightly is a claim by media outlets as he was hand picked by the Joshua team and was a short time replacement fighter if i remember correctly and anyone fighting for the belt should understand that a punch could change the fight. Ruiz was known for his fast hands and it would be foolish to make a claim that he never knew that and an upset win derailed Ruiz as he never prepared and he was enjoying the unexpected fame and even that fight made it to the judges.

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And as underdog against Fury, it's a good bet, as the stakes are high, maybe he would and rise to the occasion again.

True, lots of bettors will be attracted to the betting odds for Joshua because he can fight and he hasn't really loss against a fighter that he was dominated, his loss was only due to him being careless but in the past few fights he has matured already because he is careful and fighting with good timing.

In a way the loss of Joshua against Ruiz could be a net positive for him, he is no longer undefeated but he took lightly an opponent when in reality you cannot take anyone lightly the moment they set their feet on the ring, Ruiz had to be good to be given the chance and he did not took him seriously, but since the loss he has matured and improved his endurance and his mental toughness, and I really think he is going to need it as there is no doubt in my mind Fury is the best out of the two by a significant margin.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on February 02, 2021, 08:03:03 AM

That's not a problem to me. That's still great odds knowing that the opponent is Anthony Joshua.

Of course because that's what it is, it's created by bookies so we just have to pick what we like.

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-185 for Tyson does not mean he is the heavy favorite in this fight nor Anthony Joshua with +150 the heavy underdog. That Fury odds in decimal would be 1.54. Still worth betting for me. I have made bets on odds as low as 1.2 or perhaps even lower. The odds means this upcoming match is not a one-sided fight.

1.54 is already considered as heavy favorites to me, I don't know how to really interpret this odds but individually we have our own interpretation. 1.54 by the way is converted into "64.9 %" Implied Probability, so it really says a good percentage of winning and that's obviously a heavy favorite.

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Quote from: Dave1 on February 01, 2021, 08:26:42 AM

And as underdog against Fury, it's a good bet, as the stakes are high, maybe he would and rise to the occasion again.

True, lots of bettors will be attracted to the betting odds for Joshua because he can fight and he hasn't really loss against a fighter that he was dominated, his loss was only due to him being careless but in the past few fights he has matured already because he is careful and fighting with good timing.

Joshua can fight of course but so does Tyson. Whether Joshua's loss was complete domination by the opponent or not, he was defeated. And he was not just defeated. He was knocked out cold. Tyson on the other hand remains undefeated. He once had undefeated opponents and he prevailed against all of them in the end. This is going to be a very close match. But I will not think twice of going for Tyson with my money.

As the this site tells about the betting odds. https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/fury-joshua-odds-and-prediction

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Boxer   Odds
Tyson Fury   -185
Anthony Joshua   +150

Are you willing to bet 185 usd to win 100 usd?

That's how favorite Fury is in this fight, though we still have to confirm once the odds is available in betting sites.

That's not a problem to me. That's still great odds knowing that the opponent is Anthony Joshua. -185 for Tyson does not mean he is the heavy favorite in this fight nor Anthony Joshua with +150 the heavy underdog. That Fury odds in decimal would be 1.54. Still worth betting for me. I have made bets on odds as low as 1.2 or perhaps even lower. The odds means this upcoming match is not a one-sided fight.

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But let's forget about that as we are about to know the best fighter and we would know once this fight will be realized.

The biggest advantage Anthony Joshua always had was that he was able to attract huge crowds even if he was fighting a journeyman and the Ruiz upset was a wake up call and the good thing was that he accepted the defeat and worked hard, not like Wilder who is always trying to come up with excuses one after the other.

I have no doubt that this will be the biggest fight in history and if they allow audience they can fill a big stadium.

It's a positive kind of hard work, Joshua has easily redeemed his name and if he make an excuse during the loss, he was right since he dominated Ruiz in the rematch, unlike Wilder of course that he never win a single fight against Fury but fans weigh the fight of Fury is bigger than AJ since Fury came as the underdog in the first fight while AJ was the favorites in both fights.

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This is really exciting two best heavyweight champions will class inside the ring and a very hard to predict one but if I could pick one that I think would be very effective inside the ring and can outsmart his opponent, and a known heavyweight that can move faster in the ring I think speed and agility and the cleverness inside the ring will surely win this fight,

And although there is a rumor about him it is not proven yet, I will go with Tyson Fury, No doubt a man of his caliber can take on Anthony Joshua just like what he did to Deontay Wilder.

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Quote from: stadus on January 30, 2021, 06:41:52 PM

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But let's forget about that as we are about to know the best fighter and we would know once this fight will be realized.

The biggest advantage Anthony Joshua always had was that he was able to attract huge crowds even if he was fighting a journeyman and the Ruiz upset was a wake up call and the good thing was that he accepted the defeat and worked hard, not like Wilder who is always trying to come up with excuses one after the other.

I have no doubt that this will be the biggest fight in history and if they allow audience they can fill a big stadium.

Quote from: Ziskinberg on February 01, 2021, 11:28:13 AM

Off course, an underdog only has a less chance to win in the fight, that's according to the bookmakers, but they could also win.

This fight is a big proof that underdog could win.

No doubt Teofimo Lopez win was the biggest upset but i saw that as a really close fight, the fight hangs on how you score the first 7 rounds but if the fight takes place in UK then we expect good judges to score these high profile fights.

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