[Boxing] Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua - page 5.

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Quote from: Fredomago on February 01, 2021, 10:48:30 AM

being an underdog not automatically means that he'll lose this fight, it will be decided after the last bell.

Off course, an underdog only has a less chance to win in the fight, that's according to the bookmakers, but they could also win.

This fight is a big proof that underdog could win.

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Wait a minute, it looks like we all love Fury to win here, what about those AJ fans here, what can you say about this fight?

I do not see any dedicated Anthony Joshua fans here, a loss can make a lot of difference Cheesy

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I think I will then support AJ here, lol.. The guy also is good but Fury is better than him IMO, however, for the sake for betting since AJ is an underdog, I think I'm gonna put a bet on him,.. I don't know if I will really pull the trigger but it's still too early though, I'll wait for the betting odds.

If the odd is really high for him which for sure the bookmaker will balance it out even Fury is really the heavy favorite here. It's your gambler's instinct that will push you to place your bet in case you are really aiming for much decent winnings.

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True, lots of bettors will be attracted to the betting odds for Joshua because he can fight and he hasn't really loss against a fighter that he was dominated, his loss was only due to him being careless but in the past few fights he has matured already because he is careful and fighting with good timing.

That might be good, it's really tempting especially if odds really brings the gamblers to bet for him, being an underdog not automatically means that he'll lose this fight, it will be decided after the last bell.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on February 01, 2021, 09:09:56 AM

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And as underdog against Fury, it's a good bet, as the stakes are high, maybe he would and rise to the occasion again.

True, lots of bettors will be attracted to the betting odds for Joshua because he can fight and he hasn't really loss against a fighter that he was dominated, his loss was only due to him being careless but in the past few fights he has matured already because he is careful and fighting with good timing.

Joshua can fight of course but so does Tyson. Whether Joshua's loss was complete domination by the opponent or not, he was defeated. And he was not just defeated. He was knocked out cold. Tyson on the other hand remains undefeated. He once had undefeated opponents and he prevailed against all of them in the end. This is going to be a very close match. But I will not think twice of going for Tyson with my money.

As the this site tells about the betting odds. https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/fury-joshua-odds-and-prediction

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Boxer   Odds
Tyson Fury   -185
Anthony Joshua   +150

Are you willing to bet 185 usd to win 100 usd?

That's how favorite Fury is in this fight, though we still have to confirm once the odds is available in betting sites.

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Quote from: stadus on February 01, 2021, 08:40:53 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on February 01, 2021, 08:26:42 AM

And as underdog against Fury, it's a good bet, as the stakes are high, maybe he would and rise to the occasion again.

True, lots of bettors will be attracted to the betting odds for Joshua because he can fight and he hasn't really loss against a fighter that he was dominated, his loss was only due to him being careless but in the past few fights he has matured already because he is careful and fighting with good timing.

Joshua can fight of course but so does Tyson. Whether Joshua's loss was complete domination by the opponent or not, he was defeated. And he was not just defeated. He was knocked out cold. Tyson on the other hand remains undefeated. He once had undefeated opponents and he prevailed against all of them in the end. This is going to be a very close match. But I will not think twice of going for Tyson with my money.

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Quote from: Dave1 on February 01, 2021, 08:26:42 AM

And as underdog against Fury, it's a good bet, as the stakes are high, maybe he would and rise to the occasion again.

True, lots of bettors will be attracted to the betting odds for Joshua because he can fight and he hasn't really loss against a fighter that he was dominated, his loss was only due to him being careless but in the past few fights he has matured already because he is careful and fighting with good timing.

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I admire his motivation but not all his big fights took place at the opponent's home and he chooses to fight Wladimir Klitschko in Germany because Wladimir was the reign Champion for about 10 years and if Fury really wants to fight he must submit to his offer that's the reason why the fight happen in Germany. However, the same thing happens between him and Deontay Wilder

The pressure on taking a big task was evident in his post fight actions in my view. I have seen his talks about depression after returning and he is really inspiring, he said in one of his interviews that he met Wladimir Klitschko when he started boxing in a sauna and he said he would take the belt from him in a few years time and he truly believed that was his destiny and so is the reason he chose to beat Wladimir Klitschko in his yard but after the big fight his motivation went away as he achieved what he set out.

Ok. Every outstanding boxer started with a dream, remember Muhammad Ali said he was the greatest starting by been dreaming to be and that's was the impression Fury had.
Having said that, I am aware of the depressions he faced through his marriage etc and I respect for getting back on his feet but I don't like the aspect a boxer saying he will defeat his opponent when he was the asme person that posted "Never unestimate the underdog" on his social media account.

Quote from: AndySt on January 31, 2021, 07:49:24 PM

He wasn't the first to do this, and he wasn't the last to do it. A real great fighter can and whould be considered not the one who made a great victory only once, which could happen due to an accidental combination of circumstances, but the one who was able to repeat it and it is better if he did it many times. Therefore, many are called great after a resounding victory, but in history there are only a few who were able to repeatedly conquer the top.

I agree with you for a lot of professional boxing have done that before him and a lot more will do the same thing after him but if he's not able to repeat the great winning the boxing fans will consider him to be lucky during his previous great fight winning. Do you read what Wilder Deotany said about his last fight with Fury? Do you believe what he said cause I also think there's no way a single hit will gave that deep cut in the ear which make him dizzy.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 31, 2021, 07:30:02 PM

Both fighters fought Wladimir Klitschko and they bought win, Anthony Joshua just had a better win as he won by TKO, so both fighters are really good, the only difference is the record which Anthony Joshua is not undefeated anymore.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/659461 against AJ

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/479205 against FURY

Wladimir Klitschko was already on the decline when they fought. But I agree that Joshua had a better win because we went life and death against Klitschko. Joshua went down, was in deep waters, but was able to get back and win that fight.

And as underdog against Fury, it's a good bet, as the stakes are high, maybe he would and rise to the occasion again.

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Quote from: ene1980 on January 30, 2021, 06:35:27 PM

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Wait a minute, it looks like we all love Fury to win here, what about those AJ fans here, what can you say about this fight?

I do not see any dedicated Anthony Joshua fans here, a loss can make a lot of difference Cheesy

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I think I will then support AJ here, lol.. The guy also is good but Fury is better than him IMO, however, for the sake for betting since AJ is an underdog, I think I'm gonna put a bet on him,.. I don't know if I will really pull the trigger but it's still too early though, I'll wait for the betting odds.

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Quote from: AndySt on January 31, 2021, 07:49:24 PM

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Therefore, many are called great after a resounding victory, but in history there are only a few who were able to repeatedly conquer the top.

Throughout history a boxer is called the greatest when they dominated even when the majority thought they were the underdogs and they came out on top, Muhammad Ali was a heavy underdog when he faced Sonny Liston and everyone thought Sonny Liston will kill Muhammad Ali as he was a ferocious puncher but he out performed and won the fight to everyone's surprise and his wars against Joe Frazier made him the greatest boxer and right now Tyson Fury has strong opponents and if he could dominate everyone he could be one of the greatest.

Quote from: Lorence.xD on February 01, 2021, 03:02:10 AM

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This means that the odds are high on Fury, which means that a defeat from Joshua will be a big money for those who bet on him. I am on Fury's side though, I posted awhile back my analysis on their stats and Fury has the most advantages in this fight in this thread. We won't know until it happens, I just want to see an entertaining fight and I hope that this two can give it.

I was not convinced when he was facing Wladimir Klitschko and i actually made a bet on a decision victory for Wladimir Klitschko because Fury talked too much to my liking at that time and it like he is selling wolf tickets but when he did exactly what he is telling i was following him but sadly he retired and quit and now when he returned i was doubting how he could return after a long gap against Wilder but with the first fight i was convinced he is the best and could easily win the rematch. I am betting on Fury but its going to be a great fight which i was looking forward for a long time.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on January 30, 2021, 04:57:41 PM

The motivation of Tyson Fury is incredible, all of his big fights where he was written off by the experts and going to the opponents home ground to face them and then dominating them is a skill in itself. When he faced Wladimir Klitschko no one gave him a chance to beat Wladimir Klitschko but he defied the odds and won and that was the case in the Deontay Wilder fight.

This means that the odds are high on Fury, which means that a defeat from Joshua will be a big money for those who bet on him. I am on Fury's side though, I posted awhile back my analysis on their stats and Fury has the most advantages in this fight in this thread. We won't know until it happens, I just want to see an entertaining fight and I hope that this two can give it.

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I admire his motivation but not all his big fights took place at the opponent's home and he chooses to fight Wladimir Klitschko in Germany because Wladimir was the reign Champion for about 10 years and if Fury really wants to fight he must submit to his offer that's the reason why the fight happen in Germany. However, the same thing happens between him and Deontay Wilder

The pressure on taking a big task was evident in his post fight actions in my view. I have seen his talks about depression after returning and he is really inspiring, he said in one of his interviews that he met Wladimir Klitschko when he started boxing in a sauna and he said he would take the belt from him in a few years time and he truly believed that was his destiny and so is the reason he chose to beat Wladimir Klitschko in his yard but after the big fight his motivation went away as he achieved what he set out.

He wasn't the first to do this, and he wasn't the last to do it. A real great fighter can and should be considered not the one who made a great victory only once, which could happen due to an accidental combination of circumstances, but the one who was able to repeat it and it is better if he did it many times. Therefore, many are called great after a resounding victory, but in history there are only a few who were able to repeatedly conquer the top.

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Both fighters fought Wladimir Klitschko and they bought win, Anthony Joshua just had a better win as he won by TKO, so both fighters are really good, the only difference is the record which Anthony Joshua is not undefeated anymore.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/659461 against AJ

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/479205 against FURY

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Quote from: hulla on January 30, 2021, 07:13:53 PM

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I admire his motivation but not all his big fights took place at the opponent's home and he chooses to fight Wladimir Klitschko in Germany because Wladimir was the reign Champion for about 10 years and if Fury really wants to fight he must submit to his offer that's the reason why the fight happen in Germany. However, the same thing happens between him and Deontay Wilder

The pressure on taking a big task was evident in his post fight actions in my view. I have seen his talks about depression after returning and he is really inspiring, he said in one of his interviews that he met Wladimir Klitschko when he started boxing in a sauna and he said he would take the belt from him in a few years time and he truly believed that was his destiny and so is the reason he chose to beat Wladimir Klitschko in his yard but after the big fight his motivation went away as he achieved what he set out.

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This is the thing those that are great can recognize greatness as well and it is obvious the best heavyweight of the past decade is Fury, if it was not because of his struggles outside the ring he would have been even more dominant which is in fact a story similar to what happened to Mike, if it was not because of all of his problems outside the ring he would have lasted at the top way longer, the difference is that Fury was able to make a comeback while Mike was never the same after his personal problems.

When Tyson Fury vacated his belt when he was at the top of the world surprised many and during that period Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder started gaining momentum and became super stars in his absence and Deontay Wilder never thought in his wildest dreams that Tyson Fury to return after a long gap even after going through these troubles and be competitive and now he cannot accept his defeat and the fight against Anthony Joshua will determine his worth as the best heavyweight post 2000.

Does it really need to be proven out? Its really clear and known on who has really the advantage.Wilder is good and even Joshua where these fights
did really get significant recognition into this sport and into this career but no one can just easily neglect out on how Fury do really able to
built up his reputation and popularity through his own fighting style and capabilities. Its clear that he would be the favorite on next fight which
it is not a surprising thing and about the probabilities of winning is high but AJ will really be giving some good fight.

I think the answer is yes at least to me, I can clearly see there is a gap between Fury and Joshua but at the same time anything can happen in a fight, if Joshua is able to exploit some of the vulnerabilities of Fury then he could beat him, after all how many fights we have seen in which an unfavoured fighter beat the favourite because he was able to exploit his weaknesses, in fact we saw one when Joshua lost to Ruiz, Ruiz exploited the fact that Joshua seemed slow and could not get away from him to use his superior height and reach and that is how he beat him, then in the second fight Joshua became lighter and exploited the fact his opponent was slower than in the first fight to never allow him to get close.

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As a Russian proverb says, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. People who have survived difficult situations in life have very high capabilities in terms of motivation and stamina. Tyson Fury is just like that, his willpower is higher than most of his opponents in the ring.

The motivation of Tyson Fury is incredible, all of his big fights where he was written off by the experts and going to the opponents home ground to face them and then dominating them is a skill in itself. When he faced Wladimir Klitschko no one gave him a chance to beat Wladimir Klitschko but he defied the odds and won and that was the case in the Deontay Wilder fight.

I admire his motivation but not all his big fights took place at the opponent's home and he chooses to fight Wladimir Klitschko in Germany because Wladimir was the reign Champion for about 10 years and if Fury really wants to fight he must submit to his offer that's the reason why the fight happen in Germany. However, the same thing happens between him and Deontay Wilder

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I am not sure that a long win-win streak is necessarily a guarantee of future victory, on the contrary, the well-known probability theory states other things Wink

An undefeated record does not mean anything if he is not preparing well for the next fight and there is no guarantee that a fighter will win all the time, even the best fighters fall from grace all the time if it is not his best day. The best example is Andy Ruiz who defeated AJ and on the rematch, he was behind all the laurels he got and he was not even interested in training and he lost the second one comprehensively.

Quote from: Ziskinberg on January 30, 2021, 06:27:11 PM

Wait a minute, it looks like we all love Fury to win here, what about those AJ fans here, what can you say about this fight?

I do not see any dedicated Anthony Joshua fans here, a loss can make a lot of difference Cheesy

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Exactly, if we weigh things out, Wilder was even better than AJ because he loss against Fury while AJ loss against Ruiz which was not really a big threat in this division. But let's forget about that as we are about to know the best fighter and we would know once this fight will be realized.

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Quote from: AndySt on January 30, 2021, 06:20:10 PM

I am not sure that a long win-win streak is necessarily a guarantee of future victory, on the contrary, the well-known probability theory states other things Wink

An undefeated record does not mean anything if he is not preparing well for the next fight and there is no guarantee that a fighter will win all the time, even the best fighters fall from grace all the time if it is not his best day. The best example is Andy Ruiz who defeated AJ and on the rematch, he was behind all the laurels he got and he was not even interested in training and he lost the second one comprehensively.

Quote from: Ziskinberg on January 30, 2021, 06:27:11 PM

Wait a minute, it looks like we all love Fury to win here, what about those AJ fans here, what can you say about this fight?

I do not see any dedicated Anthony Joshua fans here, a loss can make a lot of difference Cheesy

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You can always bet on him since he has not loss a single fight and he has some big fights in his career so that makes him so popular now.

I am not sure that a long win-win streak is necessarily a guarantee of future victory, on the contrary, the well-known probability theory states other things Wink

Each series ends in most cases, and the longer the series, the more likely it is to be interrupted. Information has leaked out that each boxer will receive 100 million pounds after the end of the fight, so it is in the interests of both fighters that the fight takes place.

Huge amount that any boxer can't resist, I bet they have not receive that kind of paycheck in their past fights, so this will happen, maybe 90% chance. For Fury, all I can say is that he is a smart fighter, he knows how to beat his opponent and AJ should not be a problem.

Wait a minute, it looks like we all love Fury to win here, what about those AJ fans here, what can you say about this fight?

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Quote from: Maslate on January 30, 2021, 05:24:40 PM

You can always bet on him since he has not loss a single fight and he has some big fights in his career so that makes him so popular now.

I am not sure that a long win-win streak is necessarily a guarantee of future victory, on the contrary, the well-known probability theory states other things Wink

Each series ends in most cases, and the longer the series, the more likely it is to be interrupted. Information has leaked out that each boxer will receive 100 million pounds after the end of the fight, so it is in the interests of both fighters that the fight takes place.

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That's an interesting fact, for sure Fury is very honored knowing that his dad's idol is now adoring him, the inspiration to become the
greatest fighter of all time will push Fury to achieved.

Another fun fact is that Tyson Fury was born premature and was just weighing around a pound when he was born and the doctors said it is hard for him to survive but he overcame and he became the world champion and then went down with depression and suicidal thoughts and he even attempted to slam his car and end his life during his darkest days but to come back and then perform in a world stage and defeat another champion and become the champion once again is incredible, his life story is like a movie.

As a Russian proverb says, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. People who have survived difficult situations in life have very high capabilities in terms of motivation and stamina. Tyson Fury is just like that, his willpower is higher than most of his opponents in the ring.

You can always bet on him since he has not loss a single fight and he has some big fights in his career so that makes him so popular now. People have stopped talking about Wilder because he stopped the popularity of Wilder, I'm afraid he would do the same thing with Joshua.

Probably he is already prepared as well on what to sing after the fight.

Anyone check this record here (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/479205), it's very impressive.

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