[Boxing]:Crawford vs. Kavaliauskas - page 2.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 25, 2019, 07:18:17 PM

Talking about Manny's next fight is probably the one whos giving him a nice offer, it doesn't care about the belt cause they have them already and even Mayweather thinks of it rather than to seek big names.

Manny has one of the belt so he can either face another champion or defend it, simply as that.

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 25, 2019, 07:18:17 PM

Whatever it happens to Crawford and Kavliauskas fight, nothing to think that Manny could fight one of them but I think Spencer would have the possibilities.

It's beyond Manny's control now, it's the promoters job, but whatever or whoever wins this fight, It's not Manny's concern, besides, we all know that both of them are under Top Rank and Manny is on the other side of the fence now, under Al Haymon, so much likely Manny will face Spence, Danny Garcia or Porter.

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Quote from: Viscore on October 25, 2019, 07:42:01 AM

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Quote from: Oilacris on October 24, 2019, 04:35:37 PM

Here are some knockdown highlights of Kavaliauskas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P17KnKcXMbc which I do see this guy can really give a fight.

Hey thanks for the link. That was a powerful video and I guess others will also have an idea that sometimes it's good not go always with the crowd but instead bet against to them. Well, there's still a lot of time to take a look of what will be the odds during the fight.

That odds will not change I guess, Crawford will still remain as the heavy favorite here.
Him and spence are both hype in the boxing world, so sometimes it will result to a overvalued odds betting on them.

Remember the match of Thurman and Pacquiao? the odds differences was way too high but as the match approaches, most of the bookies has been changing the odds that's why I think that there will be a change once the fight is near.

Quote from: Viscore on October 25, 2019, 07:42:01 AM

I like to see his latest video where we can see he already improve, that was highlights was a combination of his past fights and I saw how powerful he is but I can't say he is a good match with Crawford.

It's okay if you think that he's not that good for Crawford. I'm not an expert but I'm giving him credit for having no loss. This guy means that he can beat somebody else but Crawford is also an opponent that he shouldn't belittle.

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Talking about Manny's next fight is probably the one whos giving him a nice offer, it doesn't care about the belt cause they have them already and even Mayweather thinks of it rather than to seek big names.

Whatever it happens to Crawford and Kavliauskas fight, nothing to think that Manny could fight one of them but I think Spencer would have the possibilities.

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Quote from: DarkDays on October 25, 2019, 09:47:33 AM

Looks like the odds for this fight are now available, since last time I checked this bout;

https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/terence-crawford-v-egidijus-kavaliauskas/winner

Crawford is currently 1/14 favorite to win, which seems about right to me. Anybody crazy enough to bet on Kavaliauskas though will win 7x their money... Definitely not the sort of odds I'd be interested in taking.

With that said, this is just for two platforms right now (Paddypower and Betfair), I'm sure we'll get some better odds on it closer to the fight.

Thanks, as expected Kavaliauskas is expected to lose in this fight base on the current odds. Check on Sportsbet.io the line is not yet there, probably we gonna see the lines once we get closer to the fight.

@AliMan - Crawford is being protected by Arum by all cost, I doubt that we will see champion vs champion is this division. For the record, here is the champions in welterweight division:

WBO: Terence Crawford

IBF: Errol Spence Jr.

WBA: Manny Pacquiao

WBC: Errol Spence Jr.

And the most logical fight to see champion vs champion here is Spence Jr. vs Pacquiao as both are stable mates under Haymon's PBC.

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Quote from: Natalim on October 25, 2019, 08:57:39 AM

Quote from: AliMan on October 25, 2019, 08:46:25 AM

Who do you think a good match for Crawford? I think Spence had a commendable records here take a look, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Spence_Jr.
Also with Terence Crawford, he differs an inch with Spence but based on the review I had, I guess both of them is compatible to fight with each other.
Please view his details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Crawford, your opinion is welcome for this analysis.

Champion vs champion gives more entertainment to the fans, so as a fan, I like to see them both fight if possible and if not, they need to fight a legend like Manny Pacquiao. I don't know if the camp of Manny will accept these young fighters as his next opponent but if the fans will be ask, they would surely say yes.

If this happens that Manny's camp will accept the possibilities for the match between any of these fighters, another hype stories will come out. Just like from with previous fight from Thurman, trash words and other over expectations on the fighter is trapping a lot of gamblers to bet for him. Sadly in the in of the game, they fell on losing because Thurman turned out to be a loser and he swallowed all his words against Manny. I hope that this wouldn't happen for his another fight on this young boxers, because most of new fighters were too overconfident on their capabilities without considering Manny's record.

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Looks like the odds for this fight are now available, since last time I checked this bout;

https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/terence-crawford-v-egidijus-kavaliauskas/winner

Crawford is currently 1/14 favorite to win, which seems about right to me. Anybody crazy enough to bet on Kavaliauskas though will win 7x their money... Definitely not the sort of odds I'd be interested in taking.

With that said, this is just for two platforms right now (Paddypower and Betfair), I'm sure we'll get some better odds on it closer to the fight.

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Quote from: AliMan on October 25, 2019, 08:46:25 AM

Who do you think a good match for Crawford? I think Spence had a commendable records here take a look, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Spence_Jr.
Also with Terence Crawford, he differs an inch with Spence but based on the review I had, I guess both of them is compatible to fight with each other.
Please view his details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Crawford, your opinion is welcome for this analysis.

I guess it's pretty obvious that Crawford and Spence are the best welterweight of today so a match between the two will be consider as a mega fight. What do you mean compatible though? Style makes fight in any combat sports so definitely it will be a good match.

But then again, boxing politics are the a hindrance so we might not see them fight until they got old similar to Pacquiao and Mayweather.

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Quote from: AliMan on October 25, 2019, 08:46:25 AM

Who do you think a good match for Crawford? I think Spence had a commendable records here take a look, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Spence_Jr.
Also with Terence Crawford, he differs an inch with Spence but based on the review I had, I guess both of them is compatible to fight with each other.
Please view his details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Crawford, your opinion is welcome for this analysis.

Champion vs champion gives more entertainment to the fans, so as a fan, I like to see them both fight if possible and if not, they need to fight a legend like Manny Pacquiao. I don't know if the camp of Manny will accept these young fighters as his next opponent but if the fans will be ask, they would surely say yes.

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Quote from: Viscore on October 25, 2019, 07:42:01 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on October 25, 2019, 06:57:51 AM

Quote from: Oilacris on October 24, 2019, 04:35:37 PM

Here are some knockdown highlights of Kavaliauskas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P17KnKcXMbc which I do see this guy can really give a fight.

Hey thanks for the link. That was a powerful video and I guess others will also have an idea that sometimes it's good not go always with the crowd but instead bet against to them. Well, there's still a lot of time to take a look of what will be the odds during the fight.

That odds will not change I guess, Crawford will still remain as the heavy favorite here.
Him and spence are both hype in the boxing world, so sometimes it will result to a overvalued odds betting on them.

Quote from: sunsilk on October 25, 2019, 06:57:51 AM

Quote from: Botnake on October 24, 2019, 07:36:08 PM

But seriously, he has the power but I don't see the speed in this fight, also his defense is not so impressive so this would either be an early knockdown from whoever wins but most likely the champ, so let's see.

Those videos were from the past and I think that he has improved a lot this time.

I like to see his latest video where we can see he already improve, that was highlights was a combination of his past fights and I saw how powerful he is but I can't say he is a good match with Crawford.

Who do you think a good match for Crawford? I think Spence had a commendable records here take a look, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Spence_Jr.
Also with Terence Crawford, he differs an inch with Spence but based on the review I had, I guess both of them is compatible to fight with each other.
Please view his details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Crawford, your opinion is welcome for this analysis.

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Quote from: sunsilk on October 25, 2019, 06:57:51 AM

Quote from: Oilacris on October 24, 2019, 04:35:37 PM

Here are some knockdown highlights of Kavaliauskas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P17KnKcXMbc which I do see this guy can really give a fight.

Hey thanks for the link. That was a powerful video and I guess others will also have an idea that sometimes it's good not go always with the crowd but instead bet against to them. Well, there's still a lot of time to take a look of what will be the odds during the fight.

That odds will not change I guess, Crawford will still remain as the heavy favorite here.
Him and spence are both hype in the boxing world, so sometimes it will result to a overvalued odds betting on them.

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Quote from: Botnake on October 24, 2019, 07:36:08 PM

But seriously, he has the power but I don't see the speed in this fight, also his defense is not so impressive so this would either be an early knockdown from whoever wins but most likely the champ, so let's see.

Those videos were from the past and I think that he has improved a lot this time.

I like to see his latest video where we can see he already improve, that was highlights was a combination of his past fights and I saw how powerful he is but I can't say he is a good match with Crawford.

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Quote from: Oilacris on October 24, 2019, 04:35:37 PM

Here are some knockdown highlights of Kavaliauskas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P17KnKcXMbc which I do see this guy can really give a fight.

Hey thanks for the link. That was a powerful video and I guess others will also have an idea that sometimes it's good not go always with the crowd but instead bet against to them. Well, there's still a lot of time to take a look of what will be the odds during the fight.

Quote from: Botnake on October 24, 2019, 07:36:08 PM

But seriously, he has the power but I don't see the speed in this fight, also his defense is not so impressive so this would either be an early knockdown from whoever wins but most likely the champ, so let's see.

Those videos were from the past and I think that he has improved a lot this time.

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Quote from: Oilacris on October 24, 2019, 04:35:37 PM

Here are some knockdown highlights of Kavaliauskas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P17KnKcXMbc which I do see this guy can really give a fight.

Thanks for the vid, I thought I was watching a slow mo.. lol.. just kidding.
But seriously, he has the power but I don't see the speed in this fight, also his defense is not so impressive so this would either be an early knockdown from whoever wins but most likely the champ, so let's see.

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Quote from: sunsilk on October 24, 2019, 01:02:55 PM

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Quote from: sunsilk on October 23, 2019, 07:05:00 PM

I don't want to go further with the discussion about the corruption that happens in the management. That's a different thing and as much as possible let's just keep the thread about between the two fighters.

There might be some corruption but it will be a never ending discussion if we discuss that.
Let us not doubt Kavaliauskas because this guy is a legit fighter, we might have different opinion on fight that reach in decision but this guy has a good knock out percentage as well, he got 17 KOs out of 21 fight, and you can't question KO. Grin

That's why I've said that we should've just avoid those topics and stick to the current fight for this thread. I'm not doubting the guy, that's why I've also said that I'm looking for more videos of him and wanted to watch those.

I'm just kind of surprised that I've never known this guy despite of his good stats or perhaps I'm not that updated because I don't go deep with other fighters and just stays on the fighters that are being pushed by the media.

Its normal for most people that they dont pay attention too much to those fighters who are below on ranks so I'm not even surprised that most people would normally look down
most of the time with underdogs.

Here are some knockdown highlights of Kavaliauskas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P17KnKcXMbc which I do see this guy can really give a fight.

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Quote from: Kasabus on October 23, 2019, 07:49:02 PM

Quote from: sunsilk on October 23, 2019, 07:05:00 PM

I don't want to go further with the discussion about the corruption that happens in the management. That's a different thing and as much as possible let's just keep the thread about between the two fighters.

There might be some corruption but it will be a never ending discussion if we discuss that.
Let us not doubt Kavaliauskas because this guy is a legit fighter, we might have different opinion on fight that reach in decision but this guy has a good knock out percentage as well, he got 17 KOs out of 21 fight, and you can't question KO. Grin

That's why I've said that we should've just avoid those topics and stick to the current fight for this thread. I'm not doubting the guy, that's why I've also said that I'm looking for more videos of him and wanted to watch those.

I'm just kind of surprised that I've never known this guy despite of his good stats or perhaps I'm not that updated because I don't go deep with other fighters and just stays on the fighters that are being pushed by the media.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 23, 2019, 11:07:09 PM

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Quote from: inthelongrun on October 23, 2019, 06:29:50 PM

Connor learned a lot from Floyd's self-confidence on being very valuable. And Connor successfully was able to apply that by securing an estimated $100 million against Khabib.

People love to see an entertaining fight, either you have a very humble attitude like Manny, or your too confident like Conor and Mayweather but you are showing that you can fight and you can win, that will attract the crowd and because of that crowd, a boxer can get a lot of money.

And we don't have that kind of boxers anymore, the likes of Manny, even in defeat he his humble.
Conor and Floyd are different though, they just really open their mouth, although the thing is, they can really back it up. And people go to see and pay for exorbitant ticket prices just to see them lost.

Crawford will be good under Arum until he experienced his first lost and his stock going down, but this Kava is hungry for a world title so let's see how it will pan out. If Kava was put to be a punching bag or will derail Crawford ascension to the top of the division and command huge money in his future fights.

People love to see an entertaining fight but Floyd Mayweather becomes the highest paid athlete in the world for many years even beating soccer superstars paydays. Floyd was many times richer than Pacman. Mayweather is a smart businessman and Pacman undervalued himself by not demanding his price on Arum.

I don't see Kavaliauskas beating Crawford. And if ever he scores and upset, I am pretty confident there is rematch in their clause.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 23, 2019, 06:53:49 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on October 23, 2019, 06:29:50 PM

Connor learned a lot from Floyd's self-confidence on being very valuable. And Connor successfully was able to apply that by securing an estimated $100 million against Khabib.

People love to see an entertaining fight, either you have a very humble attitude like Manny, or your too confident like Conor and Mayweather but you are showing that you can fight and you can win, that will attract the crowd and because of that crowd, a boxer can get a lot of money.

And we don't have that kind of boxers anymore, the likes of Manny, even in defeat he his humble.
Conor and Floyd are different though, they just really open their mouth, although the thing is, they can really back it up. And people go to see and pay for exorbitant ticket prices just to see them lost.

Crawford will be good under Arum until he experienced his first lost and his stock going down, but this Kava is hungry for a world title so let's see how it will pan out. If Kava was put to be a punching bag or will derail Crawford ascension to the top of the division and command huge money in his future fights.

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Quote from: sunsilk on October 23, 2019, 07:05:00 PM

I don't want to go further with the discussion about the corruption that happens in the management. That's a different thing and as much as possible let's just keep the thread about between the two fighters.

There might be some corruption but it will be a never ending discussion if we discuss that.
Let us not doubt Kavaliauskas because this guy is a legit fighter, we might have different opinion on fight that reach in decision but this guy has a good knock out percentage as well, he got 17 KOs out of 21 fight, and you can't question KO. Grin

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Quote from: Questat on October 22, 2019, 07:44:24 PM

Kavaliauskas has to knock out Crawford here for him to have a chance of winning.
Crawford is undefeated with a great market in boxing, and I don't think promoters who are building him would just allow him to lose by points, sometimes we have to think that corruption in boxing is happening, those popular boxer will likely to win as they gained more fans and hence more money they will come to them. if ever I will bet on Kavaliauskas (which I really don't see him winning) i would go for a knockout win with a better odds.

I'm still trying to figure out the strategy of Kava and watching the old videos that he has. I'm still impressed that there are fighters like him that never had a loss before except the legend like Floyd that has not been so unknown and lowkey.

I don't want to go further with the discussion about the corruption that happens in the management. That's a different thing and as much as possible let's just keep the thread about between the two fighters.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on October 23, 2019, 06:29:50 PM

Connor learned a lot from Floyd's self-confidence on being very valuable. And Connor successfully was able to apply that by securing an estimated $100 million against Khabib.

People love to see an entertaining fight, either you have a very humble attitude like Manny, or your too confident like Conor and Mayweather but you are showing that you can fight and you can win, that will attract the crowd and because of that crowd, a boxer can get a lot of money.

it's actually all about the hype, Conor is hype although he lost that fight against Khabib but manage to make that big amount.
Actually I didn't know he make that much since I don't completely follow UFC all the time.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 23, 2019, 05:54:36 PM

I do hope that Crawford is making good money under Arum because we have seen him exploiting other boxers in the past.

When it comes to minimum purse guarantee, Bud will be the second highest in welterweight after Manny Pacquiao.

Boxing is business and each party needs to be aware on everything to avoid being exploited or perhaps the correct term is underpaid. Oscar Dela Hoya was the highest paid fighter during his time with Arum. But Oscar went on with his own promotional company and earned more. Floyd Mayweather Jr was paid good with Arum and was offered his highest purse against then WBO welterweight champion Antonio Margarito. Floyd said no (probably scared of the bigger champion) and wanted to get out of Top Rank. Floyd bailed out paying only $750,000 to Arum. Arum accepted because both parties thought it was the correct value of Floyd. Floyd went on to co-promote his own fights and was the highest paid athlete in years. These shows that sometimes when you are a fighter and you think you are worth more than you need to push and fight for it if necessary. The same thing happened to Connor McGregor. UFC purse are usually very small compared to boxing. Connor learned a lot from Floyd's self-confidence on being very valuable. And Connor successfully was able to apply that by securing an estimated $100 million against Khabib.

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