Topic: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again. - page 3. (Read 1620 times)

Actually, all 4 examples just prove my point that sanctions don't work. Saddam was never overthrown by Iraqi people he was captured and executed by US military after the full-scale invasion.

When speaking about sanctions, I always mention Cuba. This tiny island had been under sanctions for more than 60 years. Yet, no change had been achieved politically. Of course, the people there are suffering because of embargo but apparently things are not that bad as no pro-American movement had emerged there. Another good example is North Korea. Again, no effect from the sanctions. 

Yes, I agree this is somewhat different, that's why I said I'm not particularly optimistic but I can't exclude that it might also work.

That's not exactly correct.
You see when talking about effectiveness of sanctions there are a handful of things that decide their effectiveness. I'd say the three most important factors are: [1] duration, [2] scale (how much of the country's economy they target and what percentage of the world complies with them) and [3] the capabilities of the targeted country.

Lets look at 4 examples:
1. Iraq
This is a good case of a [1] "long" and [2] "large scale" sanction on a country with [3] little domestic potential for self reliance that succeeded.
In early 1990 after the US ally, the Iraqi dictator Saddam failed in his invasion of its neighbor Iran, they started getting sanctioned specially after he invaded Kuwait. [3] Iraq already had lost a lot in its futile 8 year invasion attempt including infrastructure and the country was in a huge debt.
The sanctions were [2] enforced globally which basically isolated the country. That meant lots of crisis in the country, even food crisis where large number of people are reported to starve to death because of the sanctions. These sanctions remained in place for [1] about 10 years that slowly weakened Iraq and forced them to willingly accept being disarmed which paved the way for the US/NATO invasion in 2003 and destruction of the country by US and over a million Iraqis killed!

2. Iran
This is a good case of the [1] "longest" and [2] "largest scale" of sanctions (most number of sanctions for the longest period of time) against a country with [3] a massive domestic potential for self reliance.
Ever since [1] 1979 revolution when Iranians kicked the US backed dictator and US out of their country, the US sanctions began and they've only increased in number and enforcement scale to this day.
However, the results on Iran has been completely opposite of Iraq because they could never isolate Iran nor could they damage Iran's domestic production and scientific advancement that helped the country become self reliant even in high tech field.
Of course these sanctions affected Iran's economy a lot and even led to some social unrest but they could never achieve their true goal which was to topple democracy and reinstall the US backed dictatorship to steal Iranian natural resources.

3. Saudi Arabia
This is a good example of a country that is not sanctioned but has nearly [3] zero domestic potential to become self reliant.
Experts suggest that if someday Saudi dictatorship is sanctioned, it will fall in a matter of days! The reason is simple, over the decades when Saudi dictators was obeying US orders, they were never allowed to build any kind of infrastructure and more than 80% of the country's needs are imported because that's what forces them to remain a US "colony" and ensure survival of Petrodollar.

4. Russia
Now we can talk about why sanctions haven't worked on Russia.
- First of all Russia was sanctioned [1] a little more than a year ago. 10 years from now it could be a different story assuming the New World Order fails (which is unlikely) but a year is not enough to claim that sanctions are ineffective.
- Secondly, these sanctions are [2] NOT enforced globally. Basically it is only US that has sanctioned Russia and some of the European countries complying with it and only partially (eg. they still continue buying Russian LNG or they still continue exporting vehicles to Russia, etc.) and the rest of the world doesn't really care (eg. India, Turkey, China, etc. still have economic relations with Russia).
- Finally Russia [3] has a decent domestic potential for self reliance. Having vast amount of energy, many factories and infrastructure helps greatly.

Now lets look at Israel.

• First of all boycott is not the same as sanctions which are enforced by the countries/governments so it's the law. This is more like a movement by the regular people. So its effectiveness is not going to be the same as sanctions but at the same time it will have an impact. For example I already covered the effects it had on Israel linked companies such as Starbucks.
• Secondly the duration is not yet long. It's only been a matter of weeks, the impact is going to be seen if this movement continues and it becomes years.
• Finally the Zionist regime needs foreign aid to continue working. If the 340 million American + 750 million European tax payers stop paying Israel hundreds of billions of dollars annually, the regime would stop functioning. That's despite the domestic capabilities of the regime. We are moving in that direction too but it may take longer, which could be called actual sanctions.

When there are conflicts or wars between nations, people like to take sides and stand in solidarity with either of the nation that they support. I've experienced people boycotting the products of countries that they don't support,  inasmuch as it's within ones right to choose how to spend their money, boycotting popular international brands because the founder is from a country that you don't support affects the workforce of a country that you support, because it's an international brand.

An example of this is when some south African natives, will riot and kill other Africans in their country for taking over their workforce, in retaliation hudloms, will destroy and bourn down some south African, business in Nigeria. And when this happens thousands of Nigerians, that work in this companies jobs gets affected.

So for me if CEOs or small business owners don't take sides in a war or conflict, then there's really no need to boycott or destroy their investments.

Watching you, with interest, I realize how harsh the sanctions are on Russia. Medicine is ruined, drugs to treat and improve patients with severe mental disorders are not on the Russian market at all 

Let me explain for you - before the terrorist attack on Ukraine, many companies from Ukraine supplied many Russian goods to the Ukrainian market. And it was Russia's terrorist attack in Ukraine that caused these connections to be stopped. Some businesses tried to pretend that "business is out of politics" and bought Russian goods. The people of Ukraine showed them not to do that. It was these businesses that suffered losses by buying but not selling goods from a terrorist country. So very soon, the flow of goods from Russia dried up And it has 2 positive sides at once - we minimized the profit of Russian producers, and replaced low-quality Russian goods with goods of Western companies, of higher quality and acceptable price

PS some of your painful and pathetic attacks I'll just ignore, I understand - it's hard for you without sedatives and antidepressants

A mixed reaction is observed here.  Some are boycotting knowingly, some are boycotting without understanding.  However, according to my personal opinion, Israel should not be supported.  It is a bloodthirsty country.  The situation in Palestine is really sad.  It is better to boycott the products of Israel by which they receive financial support.  My humanity as a human being never supports taking someone's life.  The situation of the Palestinians is really bad.  Just thinking about their condition breaks my heart.  Many innocent people are losing their lives in this war.

Yes I fully agree, sanctions have very limited impact on country's economy, in fact, in most cases they hurt the economy of the countries trying to enforce them more. And it's not like sanctions stopped to work all of a sudden, no. Sanctions never worked, no country in modern history was hit by sanctions so badly that they changed their mind and their politics completely. So yeah, also in case of Israel, I'm not particularly optimistic regarding about the effect of sanctions.

In my country, Indonesia is also boycotting products affiliated with Israel and this has had a big impact, like McDonald's and KFC now look quiet since the initial call for a boycott was made. There are even local product CEOs who openly support Israel on their social media who are also being boycotted.

I don't know whether this boycott can stop the war, but it must be admitted that this boycott has had a big impact on companies affiliated with Israel experiencing decline or losses. but what is clear is that local entrepreneurs are taking advantage of this boycott moment, because boycotting doesn't mean we stop eating chicken, eating burgers, drinking coffee, bathing, brushing our teeth, washing, etc. But we consume and buy, only products that we buy from companies that do not support or provide benefits for Israel so that they can kill more women and children. they as buyers can choose other products, especially local products, so that the economy continues to run. We can see examples such as Russia, which was embargoed by western countries, but their entrepreneurs took over the business.

It would be better if you mention which country you belong to, so we get to know where Israel products are being boycotted. Even if local products are not ready to take over imported products then this is time they can cash. Local products must try to improve there standards with no pressure from consumer as they are willing to buy local products at all cost. In Pakistan we don't have Starbuck but there is drastic decrease in sale of McDonald and KFC. Companies like Surf Excel and Ariel are giving good incentives to consumers for sale. Every country must prefer there own products to save foreign reserves and promote local industry.

Muahaha... your negative IQ won't let you realize you've done similar thing to the Coca-Cola guy you've mentioned above. The goods in stores actually belong to retailers who have already paid for them to Russian companies. In this case you're punishing your own retailers not Russians.

P.S. BTW, why are you still here? You Motherland wants you to fight for Donbas! Stop cowardly hiding from your duty, don't forget retarded people are also welcome now! 

This is just my personal opinion. Indeed, boycotting Israeli products will not stop the war, it has been proven that currently the war is continuing and even becoming more brutal. But at least by boycotting this way we have a moral responsibility regarding the humanity that is happening in Palestine, because this is no longer war but already genocide so it is natural that many Muslim countries and even European countries are starting to ban Israeli products, if you say it has an impact on the economy of course but to stop the war of course not.

But on the other hand, with the boycott of Israeli products, at least this will be positive for entrepreneurs in my country. Because on the one hand there are products that experience a decline in sales, on the other hand there are products that experience an increase in sales, there will be layoffs in one company, and there will be additional employment opportunities in another company. People just move from one product to another, there is no such thing as a decline in people's purchasing power. Muslims have the right to defend Palestine by boycotting these products as support for the Palestinian struggle. If it is said that it will cause losses to one company then it is certain that it will also cause profits for other companies, so don't look at it from just one side.

I’ll just give an example of how Ukraine boycotted the products of the terrorist country - Russia:
Totally ignoring their products, publishing information about Russian brands, ignoring and complaining to stores, retail outlets, and retail chains about the presence of products from a terrorist’s country on their shelves. And you know - both the largest chains and small sellers completely removed such goods in literally a month!
No one bought a single unit in order to “exemplarily destroy”, just a total refusal to purchase goods and mass publication of the facts of the availability of goods in stores or even networks, across all social networks. So that EVERYONE knows - you can’t buy this - this is a terrorist product, if you buy it for even 1 hryvnia, you will pay the terrorists who are destroying peaceful cities of Ukraine!

And at the same time - we help brands whose country of origin helps us in the fight against RUSSHIZM - the USA, many EU countries, and many other countries whose products and goods are sold to us - they helped us, we will help them!

However, these entrepreneurs also implement strategies related to this issue, especially if their products are also affected, during the profit calculation period at the end of the year if net sales experience a decline, for example in the food and beverage industry due to fast moving consumers.

One simple question - are there many "national" brands, those who are going to "boycott Israeli brands" that produce the same products, of the same quality ?
By the way, are they going to boycott the products of those brands that belong to countries that support Israel ? And what about the substitution of all these products in the territories of the countries calling for a boycott ? Or those who support Israel will not be boycotted because they are highly dependent ?

PS I really liked the display of "intelligence" of the boycotters, who went and bought a lot of Coca-Cola and poured it down the drain. Bought it and dumped it. Paid money to those who want to be left without money.... I think such a mass boycott, the producers will be very happy !

Have drastically impact with some countries boycotting Israel products and they loss much money with sell targeted drop drastically since this news publishing to public. In my country some Israel product have drop significant with their transaction in daily day exactly McDonald's, KFC, Starbuck and some cosmetic products. One side with issues boycotting have smart marketing with Israel product with fantastic bonuses offering more than 50% than usually price.
Some time dilemma when Israel product boycotting the local product are not ready with their supply and make price up drastically, in my environment Aqua as mineral water have been boycott and have local product but difficult with get stock due their product sold out in faster moment.

Starbucks loses 12 billion $ (I think it will be increase because the movement is still continued in many countries) for boycotting Israeli's products around in the world,
Definitely it's a extreme destruction they faced. Not only starbucks, other many israeli's brands also boycotted.

This boycott stuff made me think that there are alternative to imported products we use in daily life. For last month,  I am trying to buy grocery items of local products and for my surprise local product's like tea, cooking oil, ketchup are as good as there counter imported product's. Don't know why we are attracted to imported products when our local products are good enough for consumption.

As far as boycotting Mcdonald is concerned, it has a symbolic value also that anyone who is openly supporting the genocide carries out in Gaza then we are not with that company. In Pakistan, there is massive decline in sale of Mcdonald and KFC. I myself witness of empty KFC and Mcdonald outlets.

I guess they're not mixing up Israeli brands and Western brands but they're doing it deliberately because the US supports Israel. US is Israel's #1 weapons supplier. So it's pretty logical they're boycotting Western products and brands as well.

Regarding franchises, they're local companies that's true but they're still paying franchise fees to the mother companies, so it's pretty logical too.

So why don't you join in boycotting Israeli products to stop the war in Gaza against civilians and stop their economy from buying bombs and ammunition which has claimed the lives of 17 thousand civilians, sorry for the question because you are pro-Ukraine. I am talking about humanity and various people in the world also want a ceasefire and we want to live in peace without sacrificing anyone's life. In my opinion, if you care about humanity then you will boycott their products as a criticism that we care about anyone regardless of religion or race, all humans were created by God to live temporarily and let God have the right to punish anyone who commits damage and mistakes in the world.

This is a poor way to tackle the current situation in Gaza. If the Muslim fanatics keep ignoring and boycotting produce from Israel, would that stop the current war? The best way is to seek for ways to ensure that this war does not take too long or else many people would lose their lives. Instead of boycotting produce from Israel just like it happens during the early period of the war between Russia and Ukraine. Many countries try to reject products from Russia in order to cripple the Russia economy so that the government would not have funds to produce more ammunitions but that still did not have effect on the war.

Boycotts, or at least attempts at them, seem to happen every other week now due to some controversy or other. They are quickly forgotten in he interconnected and globalized world that we live in. The fact is that so many supply and services chains overlap that it is harder than ever to distinguish the geographic location that sometimes thousands of components come from in, for example, an item of technology like a car. However they can sometimes be useful for keeping a company in check, if they take sometimes extreme views on a certain topic and public pressure can cause them to roll back obviously discriminatory rules. Look at budget airlines for example, who are forever trying to cut back in the search for profits and sometimes need a reminder on basic decency.