Topic: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again. - page 4. (Read 1620 times)

That's right, it's also strange to see Saudi and the UAE still doing things that conflict with improving diplomatic relations with Israel in recent years. However, in my opinion, this is also a normal thing because every country also has special dynamics and factors that influence the course of events, but apart from all that, what must be urgent is how the safety of children and women during wartime can be guaranteed and the fallout minimized. victims and receive good protection.

So far Starbucks seems to have taken the biggest hit from the boycotts since the company is also struggling with other issues. According to newsweek[1] the company got dumped $11 billion in value ever since the boycott started. Although I personally don't consider stock price as the best indication but the important thing here is that the company is also reporting lower sales and decreased foot traffic as they are losing customers which means the boycotts is one of the main reasons contributing to their losses.

[1] https://www.newsweek.com/starbucks-market-loss-boycotts-strikes-red-cup-day-1849713

Even now I didn't understand the behavior of the Saudi Arab as they have a Muslim country and they have to support the Muslim even they may be in the any side of the World but they are against those Muslims and even they are still supporting the countries like which are against these Muslim and also that includes the Israel. They don't have to help them even in this situation.

And they are sending some helps to the Israel and the things which are used in the wars they are also providing them because they wants that the Palestine should destroyed which is so wrong.

In my country have been more than one month our citizen boycott Israel product exactly with McDonald is the first standings product list have been boycott and more popular due this company have rumor helping the Israel solder when invasion to Palestine. Have been condition with some Israel product list have dropped with their values after boycotting exactly with countries dominance by Moslem, I don't know until how long Israel product will boycott by my citizen because they are most hate whit invasion did to Palestine. Other side, some Israel product have give bigger bonuses sale in last several week to make people excited to buy regarding more than 20% to 50% of bonuses.

Have difference viewed with Saudi Arabia seems supported with Israel and they not fight what invasion did to Palestine, I don't know the effort from Saudi Arabia as moslem country but have close relationship with Israel and until right now never have official announcement they are condemning what did by Israel.

Speaking of boycotting, many Islamic clerics around the world have issued a Fatwa declaring products linked to Zionists "haram". Two of the recent examples are Indonesia with about 240 million Muslims (87%) and Algeria with 45 million (99%).

And yet Saudi and Emirati dictatorships are still swimming against the tide!
I wouldn't be surprised to see the first real Arab Spring that is not started by the West but happens because of all the accumulated anger towards the dictators and their decisions that goes against people's wishes.

I agree with you. Zionist and people who support Zionist, will always try to fool everyone with false pretenses. They will argue that they have the right to invade Palestinians because they assume it is their land. They may have varied reasons, but they can't deny that Palestinians are the people who live in the land for many years. Meanwhile the Zionist are the refugees or immigrants from other countries who try to steal Palestinians' land. According to this perspective (viewpoint), it is clear that which one that deserves to call as terrorists and take the responsibility of the brutal murder of Palestinians for decades.

Indeed. Palestinians only have Gaza and few areas in West bank. If they wipe out all the Palestinians, they probably won't stop. They assume they are the people who choose by the God to control the world. So, it is not impossible if they will try to expand more their areas. I don't think they will try to attack Egypt and Jordan only, they may plan to rule the whole world.

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Guys. Sorry, but this is my own opinion. Everyone has the right to have own view, right? 

Absolutely agree - everyone has the right to express their opinion and support one side or the other. But at the same time we should not forget that if you have rights, you also have obligations. For example, the obligation to be responsible for your words and actions. So Musk, expressing his opinion, should be prepared that he will have to get a response from the "other side" .who have their own opinion and have their own rights to act according to their views. So what we see is a normal state of affairs, and a normal reaction of market participants. After all, no one can tell them that this is not the way to do it and they should continue to advertise themselves on Twitter, filling Musk's pocket with their money, right?

So if you boycott USA companies and harm them you are harming the muslim's in the US that work or depend on those companies.

Ten of Thousands of muslims work at those companies in the USA so you harm 10's of thousands of muslims.

Here is a chart of top ten muslim states

New York 724,475
California 504,056
Illinois 473,792
New Jersey 321,652
Texas 313,209
Michigan 241,828
Maryland 188,914
Virginia 169,371
Pennsylvania 149,561
Massachusetts 131,749

top ten states in US  have over 3,213,000 muslims many work in those companies so the boycott harms them.
It might be more effect for every muslim to simply quit those jobs in the USA and Asia muslims send them btc and other coins to survive.

Non violent,  but would be a good message to make companies listen to the plight.


got it from here:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/muslim-population-by-state

I know this has an impact on those involved. Even though it has small scale economic consequences. So, from the picture you have given, I don't think Elon will necessarily want to go in that direction because they may be bound by interests and if they want to do so, it could be considered a violation of freedom of expression, even though Elon indirectly has the right to express opinions.

It's really hard to have a position on the whole Israel Palestina war. The attack from Hamas was terrible and definitely needed a strong response from Israel. The problem is that there is no end insight, civilians can't leave Gaza and became a political instrument for both sides. With so many civilian casualties it's going to be hard to find any longterm solution for the conflict. I remember reading an article from the economist in the spring this year about the uncertainty of Gaza and the West Bank. They argued that it's up to Israel to find a solution, because the world is facing too many different conflicts to really intervene in Israel. Nobody could have seen that the conflict would explode again this year and it's going to be hard to find a permanent solution after all that loss of life. The longer the war goes on the more children will suffer and become radicalized themselves. The chances are high that once they grow up they will continue the fight and you can't permanently occupy Gaza if the whole population is against you.

Here's a new object for boycott !

"'You did not warn us of the impending attack on Israel on Oct. 7, we will not enter the war to give you support,' the ayatollah said." According to sources, Iranian authorities do not like Hamas making public appeals to Iran and Iran-based pro-Iranian Hezbollah, asking them to join the fighting against Israel. Khamenei demanded that Haniyeh take steps to stop such calls.  Iran-backed Hezbollah has previously threatened to go to war against Israel if Hamas is on the verge of defeat."....."

Iran too refuses to support the Palestinians, against strikes on Israel, and generally doesn't care about the Palestinians.... By the way refugees from Palestine they also do not want to see in their territory....

And so - waiting for support and calls to boycott this cowardly "pro-Israel regime" !   

Judging by the situation, there is a complete picture - the Arab, Muslim world is using Palestine only for information manipulation, and as "guinea pigs" - it will turn out to be another "experiment", and with their help to create a problem for Israel - they will attribute the success in the "fight against Zionism" to themselves. And if they don't, they won't, and don't give a damn about the Palestinians, their lives, their future, which doesn't exist.... And all "support for Palestine" - only in words, in weapons for terrorist attacks against Israel, and in slogans of crazy leaders of terrorist groups and regimes ...

Now these "players with other people's souls" have probably finally taken away the future from the people of Palestine, made them outcasts and rejected by the Muslim world. Deprived them of their jobs, the opportunity to live and develop in peace, to build their cities, to raise their children.... You still blame Israel for Palestine's problems!? Do you still think that boycotting Israeli companies where Palestinians worked will save Palestinians !?!?


PS By the way a good example of a proper boycott: the other day Ilon Musk supported an anti-Semitic post. Bottom line: Apple, IBM, Disney, Warner Brothers, Discovery, Paramount and other major advertisers... refused to advertise on his network.... This is what a proper and effective boycott looks like

As simple as this, if the product from local business or competitors are better than them, boycott isn't even needed as the consumers know which product is the best deal.

Do you think I'm one of them who bitching about work?

Actually I agree with such mind, why you need to angry or mad with the job that given from your company when you're get paid and you're the one who want to get a job? if you don't like it just resign immediately. Don't say it's hard to get a new job, you need to feed your family etc, that's the risk of quitting a job and no one said life is easy.

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This is important to know for someone who support the boycott.


https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/top_20_donors_2022_overall_ranking.pdf

The widespread belief in the boycotting society isn't that these brands belong to Israel, but that they belong to the US and that the US is behind Israel. So it's not only Israel that they are boycotting, but also the US. While I think it's normal for people to boycott any company for any reason and to publicize it, this issue is very open to manipulation. Some groups in society include companies they don't want in these pre-written lists, and these lists spread from hand to hand, and people who don't check them one by one create a perception that they are all bad. Some of the companies on the boycott lists may even be directly owned by the country. Only the naming rights are foreign, all the capital and labor is local, but people still boycott them without knowing or caring that.

Don't get me started with that Water bullshit they put out in 2014.

Although I don't get what the fuck OP meant with "stop ruining your economy with your stupid I stand with Palestine bullshit" or whatever the fuck he put out in his main post. First off, every country's in the position to lift themselves up through their innate denominators and features. Some countries have natural resources, some countries have particularly nicer views that could be used as tourist attractions, it all boils down to proper governance and anti-corruption movements. Now, the problem with your statement is that it discourages fighting for people's liberty, and supporting the oppressor just cause they give you money. If I tell you to stop bitching about work since you're getting paid to do it anyway, would you feel rather happy about what I said?

Of course, this was done in order to stop the war conflict that occurred between Zionist Israel and Palestinian Hamas. This call for a boycott was made as a form of protectionism by most Islamic countries against the colonialism carried out by Israel and against pro-Israel countries. This boycott call is a sign that a trade war is about to start. And of course, with the call for a boycott, countries that are pro-Israel will think twice about continuing their support for Israel. because apart from calling for a boycott it will affect the performance of product exports, but this also has the potential to reduce the value of investment, so that they are western countries which are pro Israel but most of their country's income is supported by product exports, so that exports can continue, whether they like it or not the country must withdraw its support for Israel. and this could allow Israel's strength to become increasingly weakened, in the end Israel will choose to make peace and grant independence to Palestine.

Nowadays, there are a lot of people who find it difficult to verify the information they get first, apart from that they also take part in supporting the boycott of Israeli products, which will have a big impact on economic imbalance, i just read an advertisement, there are many Products that are on the boycott list have discounts of more than 30%.  To be honest, when a boycott occurs, the people who work are the ones who suffer losses, i have never supported the war between Israel and Palestine, i have also never supported the boycott of Israeli products.

They want to do something but don't actually know what's owned by Jews. Nestle is not Israeli, but it of course employs Jews, since it owns Osem.
If you wanted to boycott Jewish products you should stop watching movies because a lot of famous producers (like Weinstein) and directors (like Kubrick, Polanski) are Jews. I'm not even going to start with actors. Probably over 30% of people in that industry have Jewish blood in them and it's nothing bad. You don't choose who your parents are.
Boycotting something because it has ties with a nations is stupid. These people have no control over the things their military does, pretty much like Russian sports teams have nothing to do with war in Ukraine, as long as they don't start to support it in the media.


Does that mean that when Black Rock starts pumping bitcoin when ETF gets approved you're not going to sell any because it could get into their hands?
I'd love to see such initiative, but people are too greedy to actually do it. When bitcoin goes to $100k they'll all be selling like crazy to buy their supercars and ocean view apartments.

I didn't understand why the countries are doing this even they had faces many problems in the War.
Even if they had a war of Atomic Bomb and missiles how could someone's stopped applying a countries things. Even those countries which are not even involved in the War how could they stop themselves from these things even they didn't even aware of the conclusion they made.
Most probably the those countries which are not even affected by this war will not able to boycott these things and still these things are using in many countries and they think this is their own choice.

Your government has imported those products from Israel and the price has already been paid off. If you boycott those products that are already in the market in your country, then you are harming your own country's economy. You are spending money in your country and your country is making the profit. It stays in your country and does not go to Israel if your government is not importing new things from there.

Instead of boycotting individual consumption of those products or things from company, we need to find a way to prevent importing things from Israel. That's the only way you are not helping Israel. Every other things coming from other countries should not be boycotted just because it's resembles the name of the company. Also, you need to prevent importing from countries which are importing things from Israel and then giving it to you. You should never harm your country's economy by not consuming those products. I also hate Israel, so I will keep that hatred in mind, but in order to really support people from Palestine, we need to stand beside them.

As you've identified, boycotts almost never work and especially not against big multinational organizations like McDonald's or Unilever. They have vast ranges of products which have reached a point of consistent quality and manufacture at a large scale where they can keep prices reasonably low for consumers. The poorest can often suffer in these scenarios because they really on goods from such companies at affordable prices. Most people these days have a very short memory as well and wouldn't be able to remember all the products to boycott all of the time, besides actually liking many of these brands.