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newbie
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August 12, 2017, 12:06:36 PM
Man its painful watching BTC hit records highs again while our coins/fiat is tied up in limbo. Cmon BTC-e come through for us all! :/

I was like 10 minutes away from buying nearly 80 coins at the time of down fall. But a good thing for me is, if btc stays at 3800+ and btce gives me 50%, I get out without a win and without a loss. Well, I lost 1000s of hours starring at the monitor and trading (a.k.a waiting).
newbie
Activity: 8
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August 12, 2017, 10:42:22 AM
Man its painful watching BTC hit records highs again while our coins/fiat is tied up in limbo. Cmon BTC-e come through for us all! :/
sr. member
Activity: 613
Merit: 305
August 12, 2017, 08:31:27 AM
there are more and more real investors moving some funds from fiat into crypto as a method of preserving wealth. The next phase will be people asking for their wages in crypto

That's what i hope for.. i am tired of wasting away the 30-40% of my wage in fucking taxes. Am i working like a donkey to give money to thieves ?

A wage in crypto has no taxes, and that can boost our wage by at least 25-30%

Keep only in mind that this requires also anonimity
BTC is not equal to anonimity
TOR+BTC is
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1004
August 12, 2017, 08:13:38 AM
it seems like u.s wants to control cryptocurrency and make it their own and bully other countries cause they are scared it will take over the u.s dollar. bitfinex is doing the rite thing taking u.s residents out of the equation cause the baggage is the u.s government.

I think the feds are just picking the low-hanging fruit. They realize that cryptocurrency is here to stay. Bitfinex still faces problems, because they operated in the US for years without a license. And then, there was the whole token thing, which may not sit well with the SEC...

what about Kraken and Poloniex? they are based in USA and they operate without license. they are in the same position as many other closed exchangers due to the operating an illegal money transmiter  Smiley
AFAIK Kraken is based in Euroland. They'll just do the same as Finex and ditch the US customers. Must suck being an Yankee right now

Kraken and Poloniex are registered in USA. Even they will ditch the US customers, it means nothing because they are doing business from USA without being MSB.
erk
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 500
August 12, 2017, 06:12:47 AM

AFAIK Kraken is based in Euroland. They'll just do the same as Finex and ditch the US customers. Must suck being an Yankee right now
Kraken is in San Francisco


hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 502
August 12, 2017, 06:03:03 AM
it seems like u.s wants to control cryptocurrency and make it their own and bully other countries cause they are scared it will take over the u.s dollar. bitfinex is doing the rite thing taking u.s residents out of the equation cause the baggage is the u.s government.

I think the feds are just picking the low-hanging fruit. They realize that cryptocurrency is here to stay. Bitfinex still faces problems, because they operated in the US for years without a license. And then, there was the whole token thing, which may not sit well with the SEC...

what about Kraken and Poloniex? they are based in USA and they operate without license. they are in the same position as many other closed exchangers due to the operating an illegal money transmiter  Smiley
AFAIK Kraken is based in Euroland. They'll just do the same as Finex and ditch the US customers. Must suck being an Yankee right now
legendary
Activity: 1112
Merit: 1000
August 12, 2017, 05:07:53 AM
I was pointing out that crypto is a safer haven that more and more people will flee too, as it's seen to be more democratic even though subject to highly speculative fluctuations atm.

I think you are right and it will the ultimate middle finger up if BTC-e manages to get their site with the old accounts up and give people access to the wallets they restored. If all the USD and EUR has been confiscated, it will only show how unreliable these forms of 'value storage' are.

If you trade on an exchange, don't keep your working capital in FRN but in some (alt)coin (BTC, LTC, ETH, ...)

legendary
Activity: 1470
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August 12, 2017, 03:50:26 AM
it seems like u.s wants to control cryptocurrency and make it their own and bully other countries cause they are scared it will take over the u.s dollar. bitfinex is doing the rite thing taking u.s residents out of the equation cause the baggage is the u.s government.

I think the feds are just picking the low-hanging fruit. They realize that cryptocurrency is here to stay. Bitfinex still faces problems, because they operated in the US for years without a license. And then, there was the whole token thing, which may not sit well with the SEC...

what about Kraken and Poloniex? they are based in USA and they operate without license. they are in the same position as many other closed exchangers due to the operating an illegal money transmiter  Smiley
erk
hero member
Activity: 826
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August 12, 2017, 02:15:00 AM


I think the USD can likely be maintained against all odds for quite some time, but regarding cryptocurrencies, I suspect the genie is indeed out of the bottle. They picked off BTC-e like they did Full Tilt Poker and Pokerstars a few years ago. This time, no happy ending I guess...

I think you misunderstood what I was saying, I was not suggesting that crypto is a cause of fiat collapse, it's way too small for that, the years of BTC-e trade volume since day one is only hours worth of trade in the fiat markets. I was pointing out that crypto is a safer haven that more and more people will flee too, as it's seen to be more democratic even though subject to highly speculative fluctuations atm. Which is improving daily (well except for the ICOs, but that's another story)
legendary
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STOP SNITCHIN'
August 12, 2017, 01:48:01 AM
the genie is out of the bottle

the USD is long since doomed, resistance is futile, but this fact will do nothing to prevent the violent death spasms of the dying order

as always, the proletariat will pay the price, plan accordingly

The USD is certainly in trouble, the US middle class is dying. These attacks on crypto exchanges could be last ditch attempts to forestall the inevitable fiat collapse.

Or maybe they are just doing it because they can. Exchanges like BTC-e and Bitfinex became so big, they are low-hanging fruit, and there was a lot of money in seizing BTC-e (at least fiat money), I'm sure.

I think the USD can likely be maintained against all odds for quite some time, but regarding cryptocurrencies, I suspect the genie is indeed out of the bottle. They picked off BTC-e like they did Full Tilt Poker and Pokerstars a few years ago. This time, no happy ending I guess...
erk
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 500
August 12, 2017, 01:43:26 AM
the genie is out of the bottle

the USD is long since doomed, resistance is futile, but this fact will do nothing to prevent the violent death spasms of the dying order

as always, the proletariat will pay the price, plan accordingly

The USD is certainly in trouble, the US middle class is dying. These attacks on crypto exchanges could be last ditch attempts to forestall the inevitable fiat collapse.

The principles behind crypto are sound, sure there may be mostly speculative money driving the exchanges like BTC-e, but there are more and more real investors moving some funds from fiat into crypto as a method of preserving wealth. The next phase will be people asking for their wages in crypto, and they are going to need exchanges until most business accept crypto.



sr. member
Activity: 251
Merit: 257
August 12, 2017, 01:35:34 AM
it seems like u.s wants to control cryptocurrency and make it their own and bully other countries cause they are scared it will take over the u.s dollar. bitfinex is doing the rite thing taking u.s residents out of the equation cause the baggage is the u.s government.

I think the feds are just picking the low-hanging fruit. They realize that cryptocurrency is here to stay. Bitfinex still faces problems, because they operated in the US for years without a license. And then, there was the whole token thing, which may not sit well with the SEC...
full member
Activity: 216
Merit: 100
August 11, 2017, 11:58:03 PM
fixed that for you



One thing to keep in mind, the US government is run by the big corporations, BANKS and ISRAEL has been for several years now. So when you are trying to summarize the situation, it's good to work out who benefits most from the events you described.


legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 4606
diamond-handed zealot
August 11, 2017, 10:23:27 PM
the genie is out of the bottle

the USD is long since doomed, resistance is futile, but this fact will do nothing to prevent the violent death spasms of the dying order

as always, the proletariat will pay the price, plan accordingly
full member
Activity: 194
Merit: 100
August 11, 2017, 10:10:35 PM
it seems like u.s wants to control cryptocurrency and make it their own and bully other countries cause they are scared it will take over the u.s dollar. bitfinex is doing the rite thing taking u.s residents out of the equation cause the baggage is the u.s government.
erk
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 500
August 11, 2017, 08:47:11 PM

I think US is really overreaching on this one.

Putting tighter regulations on ICO's
AlphaBay and Hansa was taken down
Bitmixer.io officially shutdown its business (Because of pressure from the gov't?)
BTC-e then taking down by Fed

Who is next then on the list of the Feds?

I don't know why the US government is suddenly taking on the crypto in general. This is out of their jurisdiction. I would understand if they will bully another third world nation, but this is Russia that are involved here. I think they should have think many times before seizing the BTC-e servers and now BTC-e is trying to get back the funds to give it back to its customers. US has crossed some boundaries here and for sure there will be repercussions on this. And this actions is not the best and most effective way to handle it. They are now waging war on crypto world for that matter. But why just now?

One thing to keep in mind, the US government is run by the big corporations, has been for several years now. So when you are trying to summarize the situation, it's good to work out who benefits most from the events you described.

legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1353
August 11, 2017, 08:42:04 PM

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=019e4e0f-fddb-4097-895c-c872bbbdcb3a

Jurisdiction

Although BTC-e is not a US company, FinCEN asserted jurisdiction because BTC-e conducts business as an MSB in substantial part within the United States. More specifically, FinCEN regulates as “money transmitters” (MTs) any person in the business of accepting currency, funds, or any substitute for currency from one person and transmitting such currency, funds, or substitute for currency to another person or location (unless an applicable exemption applies). To establish jurisdiction, FinCEN asserted that:

    Since 2011, BTC-e customers located within the United States conducted at least 21,000 virtual currency transactions worth over $296,000,000.
    These transactions included funds sent from customers located within the United States to recipients who were also located within the United States.
    These transactions were processed through servers located in the United States.
    BTC-e attempted to conceal that it provided services to customers located within the United States.
    BTC-e instructed customers to make use of correspondent accounts held by foreign financial institutions or services provided by affiliates of BTC-e located abroad.


The whole thing is BS, the fiat went to overseas companies, eg OKPAY in the UK, and then to BTC-e. The crypto, which isn't legally money under the US constitution, is a virtual construct with no fixed address.



I think US is really overreaching on this one.

Putting tighter regulations on ICO's
AlphaBay and Hansa was taken down
Bitmixer.io officially shutdown its business (Because of pressure from the gov't?)
BTC-e then taking down by Fed

Who is next then on the list of the Feds?

I don't know why the US government is suddenly taking on the crypto in general. This is out of their jurisdiction. I would understand if they will bully another third world nation, but this is Russia that are involved here. I think they should have think many times before seizing the BTC-e servers and now BTC-e is trying to get back the funds to give it back to its customers. US has crossed some boundaries here and for sure there will be repercussions on this. And this actions is not the best and most effective way to handle it. They are now waging war on crypto world for that matter. But why just now?
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
August 11, 2017, 07:32:06 PM
equinix.com ... but why do you want to repeat old news again? I mean, we even got one guy here posting today (11. August) the btce update from 9. August  Roll Eyes

Thank you, yes ... because it is buried in 90 pages of shitposts and I don't have a photographic memory?   I was responding to the post a couple above mine
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i don't think it's public information where the seized servers were.
...I try and crop the quotes if I can, guess it did not work as planned this time.
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
August 11, 2017, 06:57:38 PM
btce was very clear with their statements about refunds. EVERYBODY gets a refund in case they won't come back online. Not only people with coins. Don't be fooled, of course losses  will be socialized, you won't get your 100% deposit back.

Everything above 50% will be like the best Christmas gift ever.

For myself, everything above 60% refund I will either send back directly to btce as a donation or just donate it to some hospital. Fuck the greed.

Because nothing happens, I just quote myself from some days ago  Grin
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