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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 17, 2021, 03:45:10 PM

Sorry but hodlers who buy with dca method are the winners in this game.
Dollar cost average is by far one of the best methods many dont like it as they dont have patience.
We the people want to see results always too fast if not we not interested only few the handful can really do the buy the dips combined mixed with dca style buying.

Holding and DCA is only applicable in spot trading but what about those people who are doing future's trading ?

You can do dollar cost averaging if you are doing trading in the Spot market. Most of the people are doing trading in future's market and it is not advisable to dollar cost average in that market.

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Hodlers and traders are equally profitable, usually those who tend to want to make a profit quickly will choose to trade short term. Especially if they often have urgent needs, this also encourages someone to prefer short-term trading. Therefore, both traders and traders are equally profitable in the hands of the right people or according to existing needs.

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I do not really think that it matters what kind of investor or trader you are, I believe that anyone can be successful in the market. Mainly what I do is long term investment, but I have friends who are just short term traders and they are always making good amount of money as well.

So, I wouldn’t say that it matters what exactly you are into, what matters the most is that you are able to do what you are doing the right way, then you’re going to be successful in the market. Whatever it is that you choose to do, you have to be ready to dedicate your time and have patience, and make sure that you learn it properly before you start. That way you will be more likely to be successful in the market. We all can’t be doing the same thing and you know that.

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Quote from: franky1 on December 17, 2021, 06:28:41 PM

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 17, 2021, 03:45:10 PM

Sorry but hodlers who buy with dca method are the winners in this game.
Dollar cost average is by far one of the best methods many dont like it as they dont have patience.
We the people want to see results always too fast if not we not interested only few the handful can really do the buy the dips combined mixed with dca style buying.

I agree with you that everyone who holds and does the DCA will keep up in this market and are the winners. But the traders are also winning if they're winning their trades.
There's not that much difference from them and the other if they're also winning with what they do. As much as we want to see, everyone must be a winner with their own strategy that they think will make them that far.

most traders want to accumulate too. they jsut have different strategies to accumulate long term.

DCA is not about having patience. its just having a regular payment plan, almost on auto pilot. where you just set it and forget it. much like setting up paying into a savings account or a pension plan. it just moves money once a month (and autobuys at the price at deposit). its not some tricky thing or some complex thing that requires will-power and restraint.

the issue with DCA is the lack of control of the price, because its auto pilot to just buy when you deposit, you could end up buying at the ATH for the month, missing loads of oppertunities to have bough cheaper

traders can take better oppertunities and.. if they dont buy in during the first 27 days of the month cheaper. they still can spill their load on day 28 and buy at the "whatever" price. because thats the flaw in DCA. the "buy at whatever"/just buy regular theory

so if you want to maximise your potential. deposit at start of month. and set it to buy at end of the month if funds havnt already bought during the month. because buying coins each month still conforms to DCA because there is no rule that makes it a crime to not buy on the day of deposit. then with more control over oppertunities during a month, you have time.. rather then the theory of "just buy at deposit, dont care about price"

that way you have all that time in between to make better decisions.. and if still cant decide, oh well DCA it on day 28th day. and repeat each month. to still be DCA

That issue isn't really that big for DCA. It's part of it and as you've planned to keep it, you should anticipate that the prices would be changing from time to time since this market is truly volatile.
That strategizing of when to buy but still remains as DCA, is actually a good plan. Whichever suits your buying power and you're confident with it, just choose and do when you think is the best time.

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According to https://dcabtc.com/ , if somebody has bought bitcoin 10$ per day for last three years then right now he has invested 10960$ in bitcoin and has 105,858,000 satoshis in his portfolio that values 62269$, a percentage change of 468$. This clearly gives how different dca is from short term trading.

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I don't have much to invest therefore I generally hold my bitcoins, whatever extra money I save, then take it out every once in a while to pay for basic amenities. Holder and traders are two opposite sides. Generally the traders are going all in a risky platform and at the end they might end up either making a lot of money or loosing a lot. Their income is active and it involves getting aquatinted with the market every single second, it's a hard job and one needs experience, there are sites online that can help you predict the price but I highly doubt their authenticity, but traders can study the graph and sometimes predict, plus you gotta be huge on the news as well, all the FUD's, the whale alerts etc.. on the other hand a Holder is a person who shuts down looking at their wallets when the price is declining and just hope for the best, the passive income is quite impressive if one has the ability to invest a certain amount and hold for a while.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 17, 2021, 03:45:10 PM

Sorry but hodlers who buy with dca method are the winners in this game.
Dollar cost average is by far one of the best methods many dont like it as they dont have patience.
We the people want to see results always too fast if not we not interested only few the handful can really do the buy the dips combined mixed with dca style buying.

If you really want to invest in Bitcoin then you have to know that DCA is the best method for it plus if you have the resources for it. People that just have some lost cash to throw into Bitcoin and rive the wave when there is a Bull market ain't really investors but just trying to catch the opportunity to make the gains at that time but true investors think differently.

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For long-term investments, the dca buying strategy is definitely the best, it does not matter what the price of bitcoin is at the moment because you will certainly be the winner in the long term because with a little historical comparison you will find that bitcoin always has an upward trend, of course who buys in this way must That they have reserve money that can be dispensed for a long time because this may take many years and the capital will be frozen during all this long period.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on December 18, 2021, 10:24:07 AM

Holders are always the winner in any market situation. if the market goes up and bullish holders will take benefit more than others because they are investing in it and they just set their goal and wait for the long term targets, unlike the short time traders who are always looking for signals in the market to sell or buy and open short-term trade positions. On the other hand, holders will have a much better life and less stress because they are not under pressure to buy the market every day, that's why in my idea crypto will provide a much better situation for holders and investors than traders.

but for those who have short term trading skills, of course they can also enjoy life by trading and always thinking, especially if they have enough time, or even full day traders, of course they will enjoy the journey, because it is a hobby, can experience trading not a burden. Even holders can sometimes feel stressed when their assets start to drop by up to 50%.

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It is a matter of one's preference.
Some people want to get profit instantly on daily basis and they actually know how to trade so they spend more time on trading and earning profit side by side.
While some people who value their time and don't even know much about trading so they invest in different coins and try to hold it for a long time period. These are the ones who face loss in rare cases. Most of the times they are in profit.

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Holders are always the winner in any market situation. if the market goes up and bullish holders will take benefit more than others because they are investing in it and they just set their goal and wait for the long term targets, unlike the short time traders who are always looking for signals in the market to sell or buy and open short-term trade positions. On the other hand, holders will have a much better life and less stress because they are not under pressure to buy the market every day, that's why in my idea crypto will provide a much better situation for holders and investors than traders.

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I think this is matter of choice and preference, investors who value their time might not have any time to learn how to trade and embark on trading would surely opt for DCA as means of investment and wouldn't bother about instant ROI but long term, however some investors values earning instant profits, knows how to trade thus embark on trading consequently earning profits on a short term basis, whichever methods that is convenient for any investor should be adopted, don't forcefully embark on unfruitful ventures.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 17, 2021, 03:45:10 PM

Sorry but hodlers who buy with dca method are the winners in this game.
Dollar cost average is by far one of the best methods many dont like it as they dont have patience.
We the people want to see results always too fast if not we not interested only few the handful can really do the buy the dips combined mixed with dca style buying.

It is depend in the timing of which the buyer did, if he come to Buy in perfect timing when the price is going to Pump so Short Term traders is more profiting than HODLERS.

But if we are talking in long term or not so perfect timing then Hodlers is always the winner.
If the trader wanted to make profit example for 1 week time but the price keeps on dumping then he will not gain anything instead will lose more.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 17, 2021, 03:45:10 PM

Sorry but hodlers who buy with dca method are the winners in this game.
Dollar cost average is by far one of the best methods many dont like it as they dont have patience.
We the people want to see results always too fast if not we not interested only few the handful can really do the buy the dips combined mixed with dca style buying.

DCA investment is best for those who have some regular income source to invest at different intervals but for long term holders who have some extra funds to invest one time can put up money into bitcoin and just hold it for long and return would be great.But yes DCA is the best method to accumulate more at low average price like most investors do.So it all depends on how you want to invest and what amount do you have with you.

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DCA is a strategy that works for bitcoin, because the currency is getting more valuable on long run, but it's risky anyway for short-medium term investors, because they may buy some coins during an ATH followed by a bearish market which might last some years.

So in my opinion, a DCA strategy must be followed by a passive income from the bought bitcoins as well. This way, even though the investment in bitcoin stays negative for a while, it will keep generating extra income in a daily basis, as many sites offer us this possibility.

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By investing at regular intervals or with set prices, you can lower the impact of volatility by averaging out your cost of purchase over time. So, it is somewhat true that DCA helps you play in a safe zone and make profits at the same time. By possessing a few methods, you will be able to make profits in both up and down markets. But don’t fall into the trap of buying high and selling low.

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The main point of DCA is just "automatically" buying consistently regardless of price, even at high prices. If you're going to "DCA" but refuse to buy at high prices then you're defeating one of the main reasons why DCA is a good method — to buy regardless of price.

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Quote from: franky1 on December 17, 2021, 04:02:39 PM

DCA is game play.. a campaign being pushed

if influencers can get enough of the community to change from random lump sums and instead regular drips, then the hope is it can stabilise the price.

but most pushing for DCA seem to also push 'dont worry about price, dont try to buy the dip'. losing people many opportunities to maximise a better average

sorry but not everyone is going to DCA so dont expect volatility to change.
its like asking everyone to be hygienic and respect personal space, hoping it stops a virus spreading.. didnt work

Modified dca.

Ie 50 a day or 50 week for a cycle of four years. 10x your dca if a 35% dip happens.

sell 10% of your stash if a 60% jump happens.

do not deviate.

now 50 a day for 4 years is over 70k

but 50 a week for 4 years is just over 10 k this is doable for many people.

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Actually the DCA method is a traditional method used in all other traditional markets buy at dip and sell at high as simple as that everyone understands it but the difficult thing is emotional control in holding coins to get bigger profits in the future, but short term traders also have their own profit with calculate profit and loss and that is what makes it attractive compared to hold coin because you are encouraged to continue to fight with a bearish or bullish market situation at that time

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Well here the OP, who is partially right, starts from a false dilemma. The only investment alternatives are not DCA vs short term trading, there is also long term trading: people who buy a good amount now and buy or sell partially depending on whether they perceive that the market is overheated or bearish, rebalancing, as they say. There would also be long term investing without doing DCA: someone who buys a good amount of Bitcoin today for example, with an investment horizon of a couple of cycles.

But yes, the part you are right about is that DCA is better than short-term trading for the vast majority of people, and I would argue that any of the other investment alternatives discussed are also better than short-term trading.

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Quote from: franky1 on December 17, 2021, 04:02:39 PM

DCA is game play.. a campaign being pushed

if influencers can get enough of the community to change from random lump sums and instead regular drips, then the hope is it can stabilise the price.

but most pushing for DCA seem to also push 'dont worry about price, dont try to buy the dip'. losing people many opportunities to maximise a better average

sorry but not everyone is going to DCA so dont expect volatility to change.
its like asking everyone to be hygienic and respect personal space, hoping it stops a virus spreading.. didnt work

Definitely. It had convinced many newbies to do the same though. Now they lost money buying since the time it continues dropping and if accumulating crosses thier mind, they will lose some more.

When the trader learns to see where the dip could go they eventually just wait until it goes to its bottom before buying because DCA is not just for them. The big man who does that is Micheal Saylor but definitely, I don't think his fund manager will really try DCA.

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