Topic: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐ - page 2. (Read 4335 times)
January 08, 2016, 05:18:01 AM
I have not been paid $0.16 which I won 3-4 days back in the chat contest and you sent me a reply 2 days backk that you'll send the payment. Please tell me if there is any issue as the amount is too small.
January 08, 2016, 02:34:10 AM
You are incorrect the tickets are not "sequentially in the order' You could be the first player or the last player and get ticket number 1-1000 there is 100% no way for someone to pick there numbers its all 100% random.
I thought you might like to know that the ticket ordering isn't at all random.
Tickets are sorted into descending order of price, and then ascending order of last purchase time.
Here's the code that does it client-side, from raffle.js:
Code:
self.Participants.sort(function (p1, p2) {
if (Number(p1.amount).toFixed(8) == Number(p2.amount).toFixed(8))
return p1.betTime > p2.betTime; //ascending
return Number(p1.amount) < Number(p2.amount); //decending
});
January 08, 2016, 01:05:52 AM
Ok i have to point this out. I just saw a post by you saying you can 100% cheat people with your crowd-funded bankroll. So you invented one of the best scams in bitcoin gambling sites?
Yes Or No?
Yes Or No?
I don't know of a way to make "investing" in a dice site provably fair. It's a shame, but provable fairness is tricky, as you are discovering. I have never made a secret of the fact that investing in a dice site requires you to trust the site's operator.
I have proven its provably fair
You have proven nothing. You don't know what proof is. You make false statements and when challenged on them you ignore it or change the subject.
this dooglus guy who runs a copy and pasted site
There is nothing on my site that is copy and pasted. A few sites copied my site which is maybe why you are confused, but I didn't copy anything. I created it from scratch.
who knows nothing about what he is talking about, is the only person claiming different.
Everyone with a basic understand of the concepts agrees with me. It's you who is the out on a limb here.
Oh an he also buys and creates other accounts.
I've no idea where you got that from. I've never bought or sold an account of any kind that I can think of. You have an uncanny knack of getting things wrong, don't you!
Care to show that post?
He's referring to this:
Just-Dice is provably fair for players and always has been. There is no way I can cheat the players without them being able to detect it.
It might surprise you to hear that it *isn't* provably fair for investors. I can cheat the investors (by playing against them using the server seed) and they can't prove anything.
It might surprise you to hear that it *isn't* provably fair for investors. I can cheat the investors (by playing against them using the server seed) and they can't prove anything.
As far as scamming goes, he held 50k BTC in the past and paid out with no issues. He even switched to Clams( a worthless altcoin at that time)as he felt he couldn't handle risking such a huge amount, invested by others.
Wow! Someone in this thread knows some history!
So can we get back on topic?
How can I verify the txid you use is really the last one you saw?
For example, here:
Quote
Butterfly
Fri Jan 08 2016 05:13:31 GMT-0800 has won with 0.00090000 btc, had a winning chance of 90% and made 0.00009900 btc of profit.
LUCKY NUMBER: 1893
HASH: 9a559dbbeb7e819d7aaabf7bc2c1069ae0bd43586d8a16b6110bf0357ea924b0 -- Received Time 2016-01-08 05:13:29
Client Seed: Buttthek-100000
Fri Jan 08 2016 05:13:31 GMT-0800 has won with 0.00090000 btc, had a winning chance of 90% and made 0.00009900 btc of profit.
LUCKY NUMBER: 1893
HASH: 9a559dbbeb7e819d7aaabf7bc2c1069ae0bd43586d8a16b6110bf0357ea924b0 -- Received Time 2016-01-08 05:13:29
Client Seed: Buttthek-100000
Is there any way I can check that there was no transaction listed on blockchain.info between 05:13:29 when that one showed up and 05:13:31 when the game ended?
January 08, 2016, 12:50:42 AM
I just saw a post by you saying you can 100% cheat people with your crowd-funded bankroll. So you invented one of the best scams in bitcoin gambling sites?
Yes Or No?
Care to show that post? As far as scamming goes, he held 50k BTC in the past and paid out with no issues. He even switched to Clams( a worthless altcoin at that time)as he felt he couldn't handle risking such a huge amount, invested by others.Yes Or No?
I have proven its provably fair this dooglus guy who runs a copy and pasted site who knows nothing about what he is talking about, is the only person claiming different.
AFAIK doog is the creator of one of the first dice sites to use provably fair, and he has pointed out faults in many provably fair systems designed to cheat players. So yes he knows what he is talking aboutHe also only talks he has never shown any proof he right.
What more proof would you like? Its you who can cheat using the current implementation of your so-called "provably fair", not the users, so that doog can show a practical implementation on the siteOh an he also buys and creates other accounts.
Geez, stop FUDding will you? January 08, 2016, 12:47:08 AM
I have proven its provably fair this dooglus guy who runs a copy and pasted site who knows nothing about what he is talking about, is the only person claiming different.
I can't agree to that because he is one of the most talented security dev on forum right now and of course he will search and find loop.But yes this is the benefit you get when you are early adopters and i don't think J-D would have been here if there was one investor like doog himself and questions about the server seed long back.He also only talks he has never shown any proof he right.
He is showing the possibility of you scamming and you should prove it wrong.Oh an he also buys and creates other accounts.
Why this,why do you care about anything he does ? Be a Man and make your things right. January 08, 2016, 12:35:07 AM
I'm sorry you are incorrect
Very, very foolish words man.
you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.
Can you show an example please?
I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.
Very, very foolish words man. Clearly you have no idea how our site works.
I think you should stick to your copy and pasted dice site. Super original idea
I have proven its provably fair this dooglus guy who runs a copy and pasted site who knows nothing about what he is talking about, is the only person claiming different.
He also only talks he has never shown any proof he right.
Oh an he also buys and creates other accounts.
January 08, 2016, 12:30:39 AM
you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.
Can you show an example please?
I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.
Clearly you have no idea how our site works.
You tell me I can verify the rolls.
I ask how.
You tell me I don't know how it works.
So tell me! I claim it isn't possible to verify that you picked that txid fairly, but you claim it is - so how?
Re. my original idea, I invented the idea of the crowd-funded bankroll which most dice sites then copied, so yes, it was very original. But that's offtopic here and only serves to further indicate that you don't know your stuff.
Ok i have to point this out. I just saw a post by you saying you can 100% cheat people with your crowd-funded bankroll. So you invented one of the best scams in bitcoin gambling sites?
Yes Or No?
January 08, 2016, 12:27:55 AM
I'm sorry you are incorrect
Very, very foolish words man.
you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.
Can you show an example please?
I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.
Very, very foolish words man. Clearly you have no idea how our site works.
I think you should stick to your copy and pasted dice site. Super original idea
January 08, 2016, 12:20:26 AM
you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.
Can you show an example please?
I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.
Clearly you have no idea how our site works.
You tell me I can verify the rolls.
I ask how.
You tell me I don't know how it works.
So tell me! I claim it isn't possible to verify that you picked that txid fairly, but you claim it is - so how?
Re. my original idea, I invented the idea of the crowd-funded bankroll which most dice sites then copied, so yes, it was very original. But that's offtopic here and only serves to further indicate that you don't know your stuff.
January 07, 2016, 11:45:38 PM
I'm sorry you are incorrect
Very, very foolish words man.
you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.
Can you show an example please?
I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.
Very, very foolish words man. Clearly you have no idea how our site works.
I think you should stick to your copy and pasted dice site. Super original idea
January 07, 2016, 11:12:02 PM
I'm sorry you are incorrect
Very, very foolish words man.
you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.
Can you show an example please?
I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.
January 07, 2016, 11:03:35 PM
Please show Mr. Raffle how someone with a reputation like yours that owns a bitcoin gambling site and is confident that it's proveably fair answers these questions.
Is justdice provably fair right now?
Was it 3 days ago?
Was it 1 week ago?
Is justdice provably fair right now?
Was it 3 days ago?
Was it 1 week ago?
My site no longer accepts Bitcoin. It's CLAM only these days.
Just-Dice is provably fair for players and always has been. There is no way I can cheat the players without them being able to detect it.
It might surprise you to hear that it *isn't* provably fair for investors. I can cheat the investors (by playing against them using the server seed) and they can't prove anything.
Sorry I can't give you the tidy "yes, yes, yes" answer that you were looking for.
January 07, 2016, 10:59:46 PM
Dooglus,
Please show Mr. Raffle how someone with a reputation like yours that owns a bitcoin gambling site and is confident that it's proveably fair answers these questions.
Is justdice provably fair right now?
Was it 3 days ago?
Was it 1 week ago?
Please show Mr. Raffle how someone with a reputation like yours that owns a bitcoin gambling site and is confident that it's proveably fair answers these questions.
Is justdice provably fair right now?
Was it 3 days ago?
Was it 1 week ago?
January 07, 2016, 03:36:14 PM
When the game is over i do know the players names and the total amount spent (just like all the other players) . But like you said the game is over why would that help me lol the keyword is "game is over"
When you say dumb shit like that it makes me think you are trolling.
I am clearly talking about what happens at the end of the game, when you publish the results. You have the ability to select the most favourable of several outcomes without detection.
I'm sorry you are incorrect, you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.
January 07, 2016, 01:04:52 PM
When the game is over i do know the players names and the total amount spent (just like all the other players) . But like you said the game is over why would that help me lol the keyword is "game is over"
When you say dumb shit like that it makes me think you are trolling.
I am clearly talking about what happens at the end of the game, when you publish the results. You have the ability to select the most favourable of several outcomes without detection.
January 07, 2016, 02:25:00 AM
We can not know the out come. As i have said the site picks the winning number from blockchain + the client seed making it provably fair.
Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that.
Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that.
Every time I point out something wrong with your site you tell me I'm trolling you and then attempt to fix it.
Why do you think this time is any different?
Try to understand:
When the game is over, you know all the player names, the total amount spent on tickets, and have a list of all the transactions which appeared on blockchain.info in the last second. You can check the result for all of those transactions and see which of them if any makes you win. You can then claim that one was the last one you saw, and nobody can prove you're lying.
Get it?
When the game is over i do know the players names and the total amount spent (just like all the other players) . But like you said the game is over why would that help me lol the keyword is "game is over"
When you say dumb shit like that it makes me think you are trolling.
January 07, 2016, 02:13:52 AM
We can not know the out come. As i have said the site picks the winning number from blockchain + the client seed making it provably fair.
Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that.
Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that.
Every time I point out something wrong with your site you tell me I'm trolling you and then attempt to fix it.
Why do you think this time is any different?
Try to understand:
When the game is over, you know all the player names, the total amount spent on tickets, and have a list of all the transactions which appeared on blockchain.info in the last second. You can check the result for all of those transactions and see which of them if any makes you win. You can then claim that one was the last one you saw, and nobody can prove you're lying.
Get it?
January 07, 2016, 01:31:49 AM
Mr. Raffle,
I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....
Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?
In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions
I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....
Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?
In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions
I can take this one for you: no, it isn't. The last input that affects the result is "the last txid we saw at blockchain.info". We need to take the site's word on which txid they saw last. And even if they tell the truth we have no way of knowing whether the txid they use was specially selected to make a particular ticket win, either by the site or by a player.
Was btc-raffle provably fair 3 days ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
No it wasn't, and several people told them it wasn't. There's no excuse for them "not knowing". They just didn't want to believe it.
Was btc-raffle provably fair 1 week ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
As above, it wasn't and several people told them it wasn't.
The PVP type gambling game has never been done before. We are learning. You all act like we want to scam you when clearly we only want to be legit.
pevpot.com is a PVP type gambling game done right.
I don't know whether you are intentionally being obtuse or are just incapable of understand the concepts involved.
If you want to tell us a different way of picking the winner we will use your method.
I have done. Make the result calculation take longer than the duration of the game so that nobody, not even you, can know the outcome when you select and publish the txid.
We can not know the out come. As i have said the site picks the winning number from blockchain + the client seed making it provably fair.
Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that.
January 07, 2016, 01:13:15 AM
Mr. Raffle,
I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....
Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?
In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions
I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....
Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?
In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions
I can take this one for you: no, it isn't. The last input that affects the result is "the last txid we saw at blockchain.info". We need to take the site's word on which txid they saw last. And even if they tell the truth we have no way of knowing whether the txid they use was specially selected to make a particular ticket win, either by the site or by a player.
Was btc-raffle provably fair 3 days ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
No it wasn't, and several people told them it wasn't. There's no excuse for them "not knowing". They just didn't want to believe it.
Was btc-raffle provably fair 1 week ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
As above, it wasn't and several people told them it wasn't.
The PVP type gambling game has never been done before. We are learning. You all act like we want to scam you when clearly we only want to be legit.
pevpot.com is a PVP type gambling game done right.
I don't know whether you are intentionally being obtuse or are just incapable of understand the concepts involved.
If you want to tell us a different way of picking the winner we will use your method.
I have done. Make the result calculation take longer than the duration of the game so that nobody, not even you, can know the outcome when you select and publish the txid.
January 06, 2016, 09:29:39 PM
Mr. Raffle,
I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....
Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?
In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions
Was btc-raffle provably fair 3 days ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
Was btc-raffle provably fair 1 week ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
The PVP type gambling game has never been done before. We are learning. You all act like we want to scam you when clearly we only want to be legit.
If you want to tell us a different way of picking the winner we will use your method.
I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....
Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?
In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions
Was btc-raffle provably fair 3 days ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
Was btc-raffle provably fair 1 week ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
The PVP type gambling game has never been done before. We are learning. You all act like we want to scam you when clearly we only want to be legit.
If you want to tell us a different way of picking the winner we will use your method.
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