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Our fund has now completed the process of exiting all positions, finishing with a NAV per share of 0.08838512, a change of -0.76% from our last monthly report. As previously announced, the full NAV of the fund will be distributed shortly in the form of a dividend.

Market participants may have noticed the steep decline in volume and order depth which began around the time of the Silk Road seizure and the Bitcointalk.org security breach, making this an inopportune time for anyone attempting to exit the Bitcoin asset market. The combination of poor liquidity, poorly performing debt, and the effects on market prices caused by the fund itself resulted in the negative impact on our final NAV.

Comparing our results with the performance of a basket of equities mentioned in our last report, however, and excluding those with newly impaired liquidity due to very small BTC-traded capitalization (BTC-TRADING-PT, with only 19 BTC of shares remaining on the exchange) or ridiculously large spreads (CIPHERMINE-PT, where asks were 150% higher than bids as of a short time before the trading halt), it is notable that this representation of the broader market fell by a further 10.5% from our last report to 6 October, the date on which our liquidations of those assets which were listed on BTC-TC or BitFunder concluded.

The broader market took a further hit in the wake of BitFunder's 8 October announcement that it was closing its doors to US entities.

Regarding the impact of that announcement on Ukyo.Loan, my assessment of the probability that an announcement of this type would be forthcoming had already increased significantly before liquidating the fund. Despite my prior enthusiasm for Ukyo.Loan, I therefore increased my estimate of counterparty risk associated with the loan and decreased my estimate of both the viability of assets backing the loan and the likelihood of prompt repayment at face value. At the time, I was also not alone in finding that Ukyo stopped responding altogether for many days prior to the announcement, precluding any possibility of face value redemption.

In my judgement, it was therefore preferable to liquidate all of our position on the open market rather than to continue waiting for an unknown period of time in the hope that not only would Ukyo eventually respond, but also be in a position to redeem the loan at face value in a timely fashion. We exited our position at prices ranging from a 4.3% premium to face value to a 3.5% discount to face value.

Subsequent to the closure announcement, the loan changed hands at up to a 39% discount to face value; as of this writing, it is still at an 8% discount. Ukyo posted a message earlier today apparently confirming that adequate liquid capital reserves are not available to cover redemption requests.

Further to the topic of capital reserves and redemption delays, this final return of capital would have occurred sooner, had I not relied on CoinLenders to park a portion of the fund's capital as it became freed up from other positions during the final days of liquidation. I had believed that CoinLenders would maintain sufficient liquid capital reserves to cover immediate withdrawals of a few hundred BTC. However, my attempt to withdraw from CoinLenders on 10 October, with the intention of processing the final dividend on that date, failed silently -- with no error message and with no transfer credited to Inputs.io. I wrote to the site's support address, and some hours later I was told that the site's hot wallet was empty and I should expect to receive the coins in the next two days; the funds were received approximately 39 hours after the original silent failure.

Payment of the final dividend brings NAV to zero and officially marks the end of the BTC-GROWTH fund. Thank you again for the opportunity to operate the fund, even if only for a brief time.
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fair 'nuff, thanks for the clarification. Smiley

If you do open another fund, please post here with a link to the new thread (assuming you open a new fund and announce on a new thread) because I don't want to miss it Smiley
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...I read it as ambiguous...I was asking if there was an identified alternative yet...

Sorry my text left you wondering. No, there is no credible alternative. The fund will be closed and net asset value returned to participants.

More details to come with our final report, hopefully within a couple of days.
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yeah, I saw that when it was posted on btct - I read it as ambiguous with the phrase "In the absence of a credible platform for enabling participants to enter and exit the fund at will, I will plan to close the fund...". I take this to mean that he would close the fund unless an alternative came up, and had already started the process (but had not finished.) I was asking if there was an identified alternative yet, or if that tack had been completely abandoned in favor of closing.
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any update on the future of the fund? Relist? Shutdown?

See my post above yours with the quote from Greg from the BTCT asset-page: The plan is to close the fund and the process of unwinding of positions is underway.
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any update on the future of the fund? Relist? Shutdown?
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If BTC-TC is now shutdown and this fund is closing how am I going to receive the dividend payout?

From Greg on the BTCT asset page (posted while Bitcointalk was down):
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We've reached the last business day before Monday's halt in BTC-TC trading. The alternative exchanges with which I've been in touch since BTC-TC's announcement have not yet been able to provide either a plan for moving assets or a timetable for when they expect to produce a plan. (Note that moving an asset entirely is a very different thing than merely transferring underlying shares from one passthrough operator to another or shifting ownership between accounts on two different exchanges both of which already list a given asset.)

In the absence of a credible platform for enabling participants to enter and exit the fund at will, I will plan to close the fund and return capital to participants. I would expect this process to be completed well before the closure of BTC-TC itself that was announced for the end of October.

Many participants have made strong arguments for continuing with the fund regardless of the availability of an exchange, and I greatly appreciate the support and the time which has gone into conveying this preference to keep the fund running. I remain open to the possibility of offering a similar fund privately or even of offering a new exchange-traded fund, when and if the exchanges provide clarity on their own plans.

For now, however, I am not prepared to keep participants' capital locked up, without liquidity, while continuing to wait for a still unknown period of time for a still unknown plan. The fund will move to cash and return capital to participants via the exchange's dividend mechanism; this will save on transaction costs that would otherwise be incurred via its buyback mechanism.

The process of unwinding positions has already been underway for a few days in anticipation of this eventuality, but it will still take some days to complete the task efficiently. Due to the way variation margin works, futures positions in particular cannot be unwound quickly without unnecessary loss of capital; in addition, it is likely we will lose a few percentage points on some of our positions in listed assets, as the fund's exit will, however gradual, likely be enough to move the market. As per our previous monthly report, I will personally take on the liability of a 7 BTC, 90-day loan made by the fund. Finally, as of this writing, the fund is still owed 26.43 BTC by the operator of another asset on BTC-TC; this operator has previously made good on 59.44 BTC owed to the fund, and at this time, I have no reason to believe the individual will default.

Thank you to all participants for the opportunity to operate this fund, even if only briefly. I am very grateful for that opportunity, and I appreciate your many messages of support.

Trading on BTCT will halt today, but dividends will still be possible. There are several assets that plan to continue operating and paying dividends during the coming month while waiting to be relisted or to shut down.
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If BTC-TC is now shutdown and this fund is closing how am I going to receive the dividend payout?
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I have a slightly more academic question for you Greg:  Would the fund be breaking its fiduciary duty to a shareholder if the fund bought shares from said shareholder at prices SIGNIFICANTLY below NAV.  I can see the fund buying back shares at a little below NAV to offer said shareholder liquidity.  However I have some reservations about the fund using its knowledge of its own value to "take advantage" of a shareholder for the benefit of other shareholders.  Just wanted to know your thoughts on this Greg.

I think there are two separate questions here: one is about market price vs. NAV, and one is about insider knowledge.

Regarding the second, the listing documents specifically refer to aiming to "preclude any incentive for the issuer either to issue or to re-purchase on the basis of knowledge about the fund's NAV which has not yet been made public". Although doing so is widespread in Bitcoin-land, and although it provides a primary means by which many asset managers pad returns, I would prefer to avoid the practice.

Regarding the second, prices for the fund are set by the market, not by the fund, and the market does not always pay particularly good attention to NAV -- particularly during occasions when individual participants prize liquidity over underlying value. (To my mind, this is exactly analogous to those change-counting machines where you can dump in a bucket of coins and get out notes, with a steep commission applied, often on the order of 10% or more. Why would anyone trade money in one form -- coins -- for money in a different form -- notes -- when the commission is so high? Maybe it's the perceived liquidity of a note vs. a pile of coins, maybe it's entertainment value, who knows?) In any case, I have no wish to interfere in market dynamics -- either to prop up the price by buying back shares at above-market prices or to drive down the price by selling at below-market prices. The provision of additional liquidity by the fund is and always has been entirely optional, but on those occasions when it is in operation, it will not be operated with the intention of introducing these types of artificialities into the market.

Thanks for the quick response Greg.  For the record, I didn't think the fund was necessarily doing anything underhanded; I just wanted to see your thoughts on it.
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So... what you are saying is that after you publish the NAV you will buy back shares at however low people are selling them without feeling bad, but you won't buy back a bunch of shares just before reporting a higher NAV?

As before, the price set by the market and the fund's NAV are two different things; the fund does not control the former and can only report the latter. (You can lead a horse to water...) When the fund actually undertakes buying or selling, I would like that to be done on the basis of publicly available information about NAV.
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
I have a slightly more academic question for you Greg:  Would the fund be breaking its fiduciary duty to a shareholder if the fund bought shares from said shareholder at prices SIGNIFICANTLY below NAV.  I can see the fund buying back shares at a little below NAV to offer said shareholder liquidity.  However I have some reservations about the fund using its knowledge of its own value to "take advantage" of a shareholder for the benefit of other shareholders.  Just wanted to know your thoughts on this Greg.

I think there are two separate questions here: one is about market price vs. NAV, and one is about insider knowledge.

Regarding the second, the listing documents specifically refer to aiming to "preclude any incentive for the issuer either to issue or to re-purchase on the basis of knowledge about the fund's NAV which has not yet been made public". Although doing so is widespread in Bitcoin-land, and although it provides a primary means by which many asset managers pad returns, I would prefer to avoid the practice.

Regarding the second, prices for the fund are set by the market, not by the fund, and the market does not always pay particularly good attention to NAV -- particularly during occasions when individual participants prize liquidity over underlying value. (To my mind, this is exactly analogous to those change-counting machines where you can dump in a bucket of coins and get out notes, with a steep commission applied, often on the order of 10% or more. Why would anyone trade money in one form -- coins -- for money in a different form -- notes -- when the commission is so high? Maybe it's the perceived liquidity of a note vs. a pile of coins, maybe it's entertainment value, who knows?) In any case, I have no wish to interfere in market dynamics -- either to prop up the price by buying back shares at above-market prices or to drive down the price by selling at below-market prices. The provision of additional liquidity by the fund is and always has been entirely optional, but on those occasions when it is in operation, it will not be operated with the intention of introducing these types of artificialities into the market.

So... what you are saying is that after you publish the NAV you will buy back shares at however low people are selling them without feeling bad, but you won't buy back a bunch of shares just before reporting a higher NAV?
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I have a slightly more academic question for you Greg:  Would the fund be breaking its fiduciary duty to a shareholder if the fund bought shares from said shareholder at prices SIGNIFICANTLY below NAV.  I can see the fund buying back shares at a little below NAV to offer said shareholder liquidity.  However I have some reservations about the fund using its knowledge of its own value to "take advantage" of a shareholder for the benefit of other shareholders.  Just wanted to know your thoughts on this Greg.

I think there are two separate questions here: one is about market price vs. NAV, and one is about insider knowledge.

Regarding the second, the listing documents specifically refer to aiming to "preclude any incentive for the issuer either to issue or to re-purchase on the basis of knowledge about the fund's NAV which has not yet been made public". Although doing so is widespread in Bitcoin-land, and although it provides a primary means by which many asset managers pad returns, I would prefer to avoid the practice.

Regarding the second, prices for the fund are set by the market, not by the fund, and the market does not always pay particularly good attention to NAV -- particularly during occasions when individual participants prize liquidity over underlying value. (To my mind, this is exactly analogous to those change-counting machines where you can dump in a bucket of coins and get out notes, with a steep commission applied, often on the order of 10% or more. Why would anyone trade money in one form -- coins -- for money in a different form -- notes -- when the commission is so high? Maybe it's the perceived liquidity of a note vs. a pile of coins, maybe it's entertainment value, who knows?) In any case, I have no wish to interfere in market dynamics -- either to prop up the price by buying back shares at above-market prices or to drive down the price by selling at below-market prices. The provision of additional liquidity by the fund is and always has been entirely optional, but on those occasions when it is in operation, it will not be operated with the intention of introducing these types of artificialities into the market.
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I have a slightly more academic question for you Greg:  Would the fund be breaking its fiduciary duty to a shareholder if the fund bought shares from said shareholder at prices SIGNIFICANTLY below NAV.  I can see the fund buying back shares at a little below NAV to offer said shareholder liquidity.  However I have some reservations about the fund using its knowledge of its own value to "take advantage" of a shareholder for the benefit of other shareholders.  Just wanted to know your thoughts on this Greg.

Thanks!
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Pretty sure you have but just want to check. Have you got in contact with either Havelock or Bitfunder to try and move your assets over to one of those sites?

We're still in ongoing discussions about a move, and we'll plan to make an announcement when we have something concrete to report.
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Thanks for the detailed report Greg.  My confidence in your abilities just continues to increase.  I just have a quick question:  what's the reasoning behind selling shares at a discount relative to NAV?  I think you talked about this before, that you'd only sell shares at a slight premium to NAV.  Is this to increase liquidity for the fund?  Thanks again and keep up the great work!

I'm pretty sure he places bids at a discount and asks at a premium to NAV/U and not otherwise.

Ok thanks, I think you're right.
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Pretty sure you have but just want to check. Have you got in contact with either Havelock or Bitfunder to try and move your assets over to one of those sites?
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Thanks for the detailed report Greg.  My confidence in your abilities just continues to increase.  I just have a quick question:  what's the reasoning behind selling shares at a discount relative to NAV?  I think you talked about this before, that you'd only sell shares at a slight premium to NAV.  Is this to increase liquidity for the fund?  Thanks again and keep up the great work!

I'm pretty sure he places bids at a discount and asks at a premium to NAV/U and not otherwise.
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Thanks for the detailed report Greg.  My confidence in your abilities just continues to increase.  I just have a quick question:  what's the reasoning behind selling shares at a discount relative to NAV?  I think you talked about this before, that you'd only sell shares at a slight premium to NAV.  Is this to increase liquidity for the fund?  Thanks again and keep up the great work!
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I'm glad that you have taken the opportunity to make some profit from the BTCT panic.

The perfomance is very good (considering the JD bad luck) compared not only to BTC-INVEST, but also compared to smaller funds (Smidge, SANDSTORM or BTC-EQTY).
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September 2013 Results

Note: The timing of this report is intended to bring reporting in line with calendar months.

Executive Summary

Since our interim report on 23 September, the fund's Net Asset Value has climbed to .0891 BTC per share, an increase of 9.73%.

Relative to our previous full report which covered the month to 14 September, NAV per share decreased by 11.92%.

For comparison, a sample of relatively large and liquid equities across BTC-TC and BitFunder had already fallen by an average of roughly 18% from the end of our previous period thru 22 September, the day before the announcement of BTC-TC's closure. Extending that period by another 8 days, to 30 September, the same group of equities had not only failed to rebound, but had instead continued to fall for a total loss of approximately 43%.

We are still in discussions about moving the fund to a different exchange, and an announcement will be made in this regard as soon as we have something concrete to report.

Context and Environment

Comparing a fund, on the one hand, with individual equities, on the other, is never straightforward, and paying much attention at all to fluctuations over the course of periods like a week or two is of little more than academic interest. But since the value of our fund derives partly from the value of underlying equities (with the remainder from cash, derivatives and debt), and since many market participants clearly do pay attention to performance over brief time periods, I think it's worth sketching at least a rough, back-of-the-envelope picture. This rough picture reveals that not only was the decline in Bitcoin equities already in progress before the BTC-TC announcement was made, but the subsequent rebound which some market participants might have hoped for failed to materialise.

From 15 September until the day before BTC-TC-induced carnage, 22 September, individual share prices of relatively large and relatively liquid equities across the two largest exchanges had already fallen by an average of approximately 18%. Note that this figure represents share prices only and neither total return with dividends nor change in reported NAV.

(For reference, the list is: ACTIVEMINING, ASICMINER-PT, BASIC-MINING, BTC-QUICK, BTC-TRADING-PT, CIPHERMINE-PT, ICEDRILL.ASIC, KENILWORTH, LABCOIN, LABRATMINING, RENTALSTARTER. This list was chosen simply to reflect the activity of relatively liquid equities with relatively large market capitalisations and has nothing to do with my own views of any of them; swap some out or add different ones, and the picture doesn't change much. Due to differences in the way data are provided by the exchanges, and because the last price for a given day might be either a market buy or a market sell, changes have been tracked from the lowest trade price on one day to the lowest trade price on another; values would be similar for tracking highest to highest or average to average.)

The performance of the only other listed fund with size and liquidity comparable to our own (BTCINVEST) was a loss of 34% during that same period, while the house profit at Just-Dice had fallen by 101%.

Extending the period so as to coincide with the latest figures available for 30 September (in the case of BitFunder, the time zone difference puts this part way through 30 September), the comparable numbers are an even wider 43% loss for the large and liquid equities and a 25% loss for BTCINVEST. The figure for Just-Dice house profit worsened to a 148% loss. Excluding the now nearly worthless BTC-TRADING and the 'controversial' LABCOIN from the picture improves the overall performance of the large and liquid equities to a loss of 32%, and further excluding the ICEDRILL.ASIC 'faithware' asset from the calculation brings the loss of large and liquid equities to 37%.

Again, this comparison is intended to offer only an approximation, but whether you round up, round sideways, or pop in a dividend or two here and there, the general picture across Bitcoin equity markets has been grim. On average, the general picture across Bitcoin equity markets has been far worse than the results experienced by our fund.

As per our prior report, for convenience I use the term 'equities' to include revenue sharing operations.

Individual Securities and Primary Influences

While the fund has been active in many different areas during the period and has been influenced by many different factors, the strongest influences on performance during the period were:

  • the pending closure of BTC-TC
  • the crushing of Just-Dice
  • the buying back of our own shares

I'll address each of these in turn.

BTC-TC Closure

The announcement of BTC-TC's pending closure directly took the value of the parent company itself to near zero and indirectly led some assets to close their doors. Public statements by individuals in charge of some listed assets -- to which our fund had minimal exposure -- appear to have led the market to reassess the value of those assets particularly negatively.

The temporary dip in assets which had limited exposure to the closure and which did not suffer from evaporating market confidence in their management enabled the fund to pick up shares in some assets at attractive discounts and to exploit a few arbitrage opportunities, including purchasing discounted bonds which could be redeemed at face value for an immediate profit.

We are still in discussions about moving the fund to a new exchange, and an announcement will be made in this regard as soon as there is something concrete to report.

Just-Dice

During a span of just a few days, a single gambler walked away from Just-Dice.com with a sum approximately six times larger than the entire original capitalisation of BTC Growth. At the time of our previous interim report, the site had gone from over 6000 BTC in house profit to a loss of 49 BTC; in the following days, the total figure for the site collapsed even further, to the extent of mirroring the former profit, weighing in at around -6000 BTC. (The specific house profit figure used in the above comparisons to 30 September is -3064 BTC.) As noted in our interim report, our fund lost significant capital as a result of lending to the bankroll, although after making a change to how our lending is managed, the fund was able to recover some of those losses.

The site's losses became so severe that after repeatedly floating the idea of closing the site completely, the proprietor eventually began testing modifications to the permitted betting structure designed to reduce the likelihood of further massive losses. While the modifications introduced by the proprietor in the aftermath of the site's having lost so much capital may decrease the odds of such high losses going forward, they may also reduce the magnitude of future gains and generally discourage use of the site.

Share Buybacks

During the period, we returned several hundred BTC to shareholders by buying back a total of 4044 of our own shares, reducing the total outstanding to 15,957.

During periods of especially elevated uncertainty, buying back our own shares at a discount to NAV makes very good use of our capital: while buying some other asset might generate gains going forward, we can be certain that undertaking purchases which are analogous to buying dollar bills for something less than one hundred cents each provides participants in the fund with an immediate gain.

Platform Problems

Apart from the obvious closing down of BTC-TC, the types of platform problems mentioned in our last full report improved somewhat on a 'problem free days' basis, with a total of six days during the period remaining free of platform failures. Note, however, that this simple measure obscures the fact that some services were virtually unavailable for a sustained period of two days on 23-24 September, despite, in some cases, public statements that services were operating normally.

Liquidity Facility and Subscriptions/Redemptions

As discussed above, redemptions during the period reduced our outstanding share capital significantly. Subsequent to this report, the fund may optionally place bids or asks for a time, at a discount or premium to NAV, as described in the listing documents.

Reporting Schedule

Having now synchronised with calendar months, our intention is to return to an approximately monthly reporting cycle.

Trust Ratings

As I mentioned in the fund's listing documents, I have no particular interest in amassing trust ratings for a pseudonymous WOT account. However, if participants in the fund feel it is appropriate to do so, I would invite them to consider leaving trust feedback for my forum account, not as a reflection of positive or negative fund performance, but rather as an indication of how they regard the trustworthiness of my management of the fund. (It is virtually certain that the NAV of the fund will go down as well as up, but hopefully variation in fund performance need not imply variation in trustworthiness.)
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