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Topic: [BTC-TC] BTC Growth: Capital Growth via Hedge Fund-Style Investing - page 9. (Read 251447 times)

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ah yep you're right.

Indeed he is and he's provided a convincing argument for me to put him on ignore, which is unfortunate. He's provided useful information on other threads - not sure why he wants to crap up this one.


You can always ignore someone in one thread and then unignore them when you see them in another.
legendary
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ah yep you're right.

Indeed he is and he's provided a convincing argument for me to put him on ignore, which is unfortunate. He's provided useful information on other threads - not sure why he wants to crap up this one.
sr. member
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ah yep you're right.
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despite the fact that you said you would stop and that we have all heard you loud and clear.

When did I say I would stop?  The only thing I see is that I said people could ignore me if they chose.
sr. member
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Have fun throwing your money away, people.

Also, go read the 1262 posts I've made here before you criticize me. Apparently you're not supposed to criticize anyone in this thread until you've read everything they've ever written.

The way he handled your criticism helped sell me.

You losing your money isn't my problem.

Reading your old posts is not going to prove anything. Past performance is not proof of future success; I've looked through and you seem totally sensible, most of your scam accusations have substance and are welcome. Unfortunately the only thing you've really brought to the table this time is your spidey sense and claims that he doesn't know what he is doing (which, if it wasn't clear, hasn't stopped anyone). You continue to post, however, despite the fact that you said you would stop and that we have all heard you loud and clear.
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Have fun throwing your money away, people.

Also, go read the 1262 posts I've made here before you criticize me. Apparently you're not supposed to criticize anyone in this thread until you've read everything they've ever written.

The way he handled your criticism helped sell me.

You losing your money isn't my problem.
legendary
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Over time, it will also be interesting to see how big the bid/ask walls are. If the fund shows strong growth over an extended period, there will be plenty of investors wanting in. However, like Deprived pointed out it takes time to invest a lot of BTC. The bigger you get, the harder it is to maintain returns (the pool of suitable investments shrinks).


I would agree that larger investments will have fewer arbitrage/trading opportunities through straightforward public trading opportunities. However, larger private investments open up other opportunities that aren't available to smaller funds. As an example, we know that private investors bought into IceDrill at lower costs than the .0014 IPO available to the general public. Yes, I know that Greg has said he's steering clear of mining - it's just an example. It all depends upon timing, connections and the creativity of the fund manager, but there are advantages to having a large sum of BTC to invest.

Fair point, I forgot about that.
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AND who knows what he has done as far as providing options trading to the community. That may be a significant source of growth for the fund.
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Theres also scope to influence the market with a bigger stack of coins.
legendary
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Over time, it will also be interesting to see how big the bid/ask walls are. If the fund shows strong growth over an extended period, there will be plenty of investors wanting in. However, like Deprived pointed out it takes time to invest a lot of BTC. The bigger you get, the harder it is to maintain returns (the pool of suitable investments shrinks).


I would agree that larger investments will have fewer arbitrage/trading opportunities through straightforward public trading opportunities. However, larger private investments open up other opportunities that aren't available to smaller funds. As an example, we know that private investors bought into IceDrill at lower costs than the .0014 IPO available to the general public. Yes, I know that Greg has said he's steering clear of mining - it's just an example. It all depends upon timing, connections and the creativity of the fund manager, but there are advantages to having a large sum of BTC to invest.
legendary
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Over time, it will also be interesting to see how big the bid/ask walls are. If the fund shows strong growth over an extended period, there will be plenty of investors wanting in. However, like Deprived pointed out it takes time to invest a lot of BTC. The bigger you get, the harder it is to maintain returns (the pool of suitable investments shrinks).

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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
Who wants to start guessing what the report next week will say? How much profit/loss for the first month?

I am going to make a wild guess and say the report will show a profit of 5% Grin

It's more fun to guess what the share price will do in response to the report. BTC-investors tend to react very strongly to news, rumours and random fear-mongering. I expect that whatever the monthly report says, there will be a strongly amplified initial reaction visible in the share price (at least initially, it may settle at a value that better reflects the performance of the fund after a while).

Right. If my guess is correct that the report says profit is 5%, the price will rise over 50% (or 500%), and then slowly settle downwards toward the IPO price. And anybody who bought at the height will loudly complain about how this fund is losing them money.

Doubt it.  Unless I misunderstand his intentions totally, shortly after publishing reports he'll place Asks slightly above NAV/U and Bids slightly below it.  Even if he doesn't place orders he'll be filling orders.  So market price will be kept stable for a period after the report.

Funds which can issue (effectively) unlimited paper should never be trading far from NAV/U.

The only interesting movement is likely to be BEFORE the report if people strongly believe he will have made or lost anything significant.  But I  think most who bought this realise it's designed for investment not speculation (i.e. the price tied hard to NAV/U) so will just and wait and see.

5% (your guess) would be pretty impressive given that the month started with zero actually invested.  Getting significant(ish) BTC invested at all (without moving prices) takes a while to do.  Though I guess he could have made a few % just by dumping it into J-D and pulling from there gradually to move into actual intended investments.

But he is only going to place the bids/asks for a few days after the report comes out, then the market is free to do whatever it wants. And I suspect there are people who will miss out on the monthly buying opportunity and will push up the price after he removes his ask wall.
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Who wants to start guessing what the report next week will say? How much profit/loss for the first month?

I am going to make a wild guess and say the report will show a profit of 5% Grin

It's more fun to guess what the share price will do in response to the report. BTC-investors tend to react very strongly to news, rumours and random fear-mongering. I expect that whatever the monthly report says, there will be a strongly amplified initial reaction visible in the share price (at least initially, it may settle at a value that better reflects the performance of the fund after a while).

Right. If my guess is correct that the report says profit is 5%, the price will rise over 50% (or 500%), and then slowly settle downwards toward the IPO price. And anybody who bought at the height will loudly complain about how this fund is losing them money.

Doubt it.  Unless I misunderstand his intentions totally, shortly after publishing reports he'll place Asks slightly above NAV/U and Bids slightly below it.  Even if he doesn't place orders he'll be filling orders.  So market price will be kept stable for a period after the report.

Funds which can issue (effectively) unlimited paper should never be trading far from NAV/U.

The only interesting movement is likely to be BEFORE the report if people strongly believe he will have made or lost anything significant.  But I  think most who bought this realise it's designed for investment not speculation (i.e. the price tied hard to NAV/U) so will just and wait and see.

5% (your guess) would be pretty impressive given that the month started with zero actually invested.  Getting significant(ish) BTC invested at all (without moving prices) takes a while to do.  Though I guess he could have made a few % just by dumping it into J-D and pulling from there gradually to move into actual intended investments.

When you use the notation "U", is that number of shares?

Yes, it stand for "unit", so NAV/U is Net Asset Value per Unit.

Ok thanks
hero member
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Who wants to start guessing what the report next week will say? How much profit/loss for the first month?

I am going to make a wild guess and say the report will show a profit of 5% Grin

It's more fun to guess what the share price will do in response to the report. BTC-investors tend to react very strongly to news, rumours and random fear-mongering. I expect that whatever the monthly report says, there will be a strongly amplified initial reaction visible in the share price (at least initially, it may settle at a value that better reflects the performance of the fund after a while).

Right. If my guess is correct that the report says profit is 5%, the price will rise over 50% (or 500%), and then slowly settle downwards toward the IPO price. And anybody who bought at the height will loudly complain about how this fund is losing them money.

Doubt it.  Unless I misunderstand his intentions totally, shortly after publishing reports he'll place Asks slightly above NAV/U and Bids slightly below it.  Even if he doesn't place orders he'll be filling orders.  So market price will be kept stable for a period after the report.

Funds which can issue (effectively) unlimited paper should never be trading far from NAV/U.

The only interesting movement is likely to be BEFORE the report if people strongly believe he will have made or lost anything significant.  But I  think most who bought this realise it's designed for investment not speculation (i.e. the price tied hard to NAV/U) so will just and wait and see.

5% (your guess) would be pretty impressive given that the month started with zero actually invested.  Getting significant(ish) BTC invested at all (without moving prices) takes a while to do.  Though I guess he could have made a few % just by dumping it into J-D and pulling from there gradually to move into actual intended investments.

When you use the notation "U", is that number of shares?

Yes, it stands for "unit", so NAV/U is Net Asset Value per Unit.
member
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Who wants to start guessing what the report next week will say? How much profit/loss for the first month?

I am going to make a wild guess and say the report will show a profit of 5% Grin

It's more fun to guess what the share price will do in response to the report. BTC-investors tend to react very strongly to news, rumours and random fear-mongering. I expect that whatever the monthly report says, there will be a strongly amplified initial reaction visible in the share price (at least initially, it may settle at a value that better reflects the performance of the fund after a while).

Right. If my guess is correct that the report says profit is 5%, the price will rise over 50% (or 500%), and then slowly settle downwards toward the IPO price. And anybody who bought at the height will loudly complain about how this fund is losing them money.

Doubt it.  Unless I misunderstand his intentions totally, shortly after publishing reports he'll place Asks slightly above NAV/U and Bids slightly below it.  Even if he doesn't place orders he'll be filling orders.  So market price will be kept stable for a period after the report.

Funds which can issue (effectively) unlimited paper should never be trading far from NAV/U.

The only interesting movement is likely to be BEFORE the report if people strongly believe he will have made or lost anything significant.  But I  think most who bought this realise it's designed for investment not speculation (i.e. the price tied hard to NAV/U) so will just and wait and see.

5% (your guess) would be pretty impressive given that the month started with zero actually invested.  Getting significant(ish) BTC invested at all (without moving prices) takes a while to do.  Though I guess he could have made a few % just by dumping it into J-D and pulling from there gradually to move into actual intended investments.

When you use the notation "U", is that number of shares?
hero member
Activity: 532
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Who wants to start guessing what the report next week will say? How much profit/loss for the first month?

I am going to make a wild guess and say the report will show a profit of 5% Grin

It's more fun to guess what the share price will do in response to the report. BTC-investors tend to react very strongly to news, rumours and random fear-mongering. I expect that whatever the monthly report says, there will be a strongly amplified initial reaction visible in the share price (at least initially, it may settle at a value that better reflects the performance of the fund after a while).

Right. If my guess is correct that the report says profit is 5%, the price will rise over 50% (or 500%), and then slowly settle downwards toward the IPO price. And anybody who bought at the height will loudly complain about how this fund is losing them money.

Doubt it.  Unless I misunderstand his intentions totally, shortly after publishing reports he'll place Asks slightly above NAV/U and Bids slightly below it.  Even if he doesn't place orders he'll be filling orders.  So market price will be kept stable for a period after the report.

Funds which can issue (effectively) unlimited paper should never be trading far from NAV/U.

The only interesting movement is likely to be BEFORE the report if people strongly believe he will have made or lost anything significant.  But I  think most who bought this realise it's designed for investment not speculation (i.e. the price tied hard to NAV/U) so will just and wait and see.

5% (your guess) would be pretty impressive given that the month started with zero actually invested.  Getting significant(ish) BTC invested at all (without moving prices) takes a while to do.  Though I guess he could have made a few % just by dumping it into J-D and pulling from there gradually to move into actual intended investments.
hero member
Activity: 756
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
Who wants to start guessing what the report next week will say? How much profit/loss for the first month?

I am going to make a wild guess and say the report will show a profit of 5% Grin

It's more fun to guess what the share price will do in response to the report. BTC-investors tend to react very strongly to news, rumours and random fear-mongering. I expect that whatever the monthly report says, there will be a strongly amplified initial reaction visible in the share price (at least initially, it may settle at a value that better reflects the performance of the fund after a while).

Right. If my guess is correct that the report says profit is 5%, the price will rise over 50% (or 500%), and then slowly settle downwards toward the IPO price. And anybody who bought at the height will loudly complain about how this fund is losing them money.
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
Who wants to start guessing what the report next week will say? How much profit/loss for the first month?

I am going to make a wild guess and say the report will show a profit of 5% Grin

It's more fun to guess what the share price will do in response to the report. BTC-investors tend to react very strongly to news, rumours and random fear-mongering. I expect that whatever the monthly report says, there will be a strongly amplified initial reaction visible in the share price (at least initially, it may settle at a value that better reflects the performance of the fund after a while).
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 500
It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
Who wants to start guessing what the report next week will say? How much profit/loss for the first month?

I am going to make a wild guess and say the report will show a profit of 5% Grin
hero member
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Report will be released on "Monday 16 September at 1 pm UK time". It's Tuesday 10th September today.

Ok I'm sorry, its early in the morning here.  Read it wrong.  Thank you for pointing that out.
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