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legendary
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September 21, 2014, 02:25:51 AM

P.S. also today I got caught up in the whole BCX XMR thing which was quite distracting as I was in the loop of all the PMs

What happened with Monero? It just tanked.

Edit: found it. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/delete-789978

BBR affected too?
legendary
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September 21, 2014, 02:18:23 AM
The initial code reviews are coming in: https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=4940.msg104968#msg104968

No critical bugs found, but still need more people to analyze the code.

Made some progress with the probabilistic routing. had to pass through two new data items through all the API calls, up and down the whole scale. So a lot of changes in the files, but really just a few things.

then the confusion over the peer<->peer connections vs ip<->ip connection, sent me down the wrong path a bit, but it is becoming clearer how to differentiate the logical app level "connection" vs the low level ip<->ip connection

I also decided to pass through the ip/port info from the p2p network into my code. I need to make sure that even using this info that nothing critical is leaked as an attacker could make this change to extract info. Better if I am seeing the data and making sure it is scrubbed!

I need to think through things a bit more to make sure the routing will converge. I think I might have a pretty good fallback, but am worried about leaking the IP info to a compromised privacy server. A solution to the privacy server not even knowing the IP will be a big breakthrough. My fallback is to only have the loopback privacy server know your IP and then make sure your privacy cant be deduced.

Since I am waiting on some changes from BTCDdev, I will have time to push forward on this part. I am not worried about the routing between all the public privacyServers, so even with the probabilistic routing still being improved I can switch to debugging Teleport next week.

The TOKEN sales looks like it will end in 2 days, so that whole time eater will also become much less and I can get back to 75%+ on coding soon. Thank you for you patience.

James

P.S. also today I got caught up in the whole BCX XMR thing which was quite distracting as I was in the loop of all the PMs
legendary
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September 20, 2014, 07:39:28 PM
coinomat is playing a role in teleport, right?
via cryptocard, yes
hero member
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September 20, 2014, 07:36:57 PM
coinomat is playing a role in teleport, right?
legendary
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September 20, 2014, 07:00:44 PM
Hey guys, I still do have a problem with block 100675 :-(
Got youre user.conf, starting as admin, deleted wallet expect of wallet.dat, its not getting trough that block :-(
Any ideas? Any help? I need to work with that wallet, got that problem for some days now :-(
make sure to backup the wallet.dat!
it is all the other files that need to be cleared out (other than the .conf)
then restart and it shouldnt get stuck


already did that, days ago :-)
still not working, i do have 8 connections to the network...
i assume you are using the latest version
you could try the experimental version if you are brave
member
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September 20, 2014, 03:46:08 PM
Hey guys, I still do have a problem with block 100675 :-(
Got youre user.conf, starting as admin, deleted wallet expect of wallet.dat, its not getting trough that block :-(
Any ideas? Any help? I need to work with that wallet, got that problem for some days now :-(
make sure to backup the wallet.dat!
it is all the other files that need to be cleared out (other than the .conf)
then restart and it shouldnt get stuck


already did that, days ago :-)
still not working, i do have 8 connections to the network...
legendary
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September 20, 2014, 01:25:36 PM
I'm far from an expert on this stuff, but it's my understanding that there's a couple problems with PoS. The first being that those that hold the majority of the coins basically control the network. i.e. Like a 51% issue.  The other problem is that when people are staking, there's no economy going on. Sort of a catch 22 thing. You need people actually using the coins for it to gain wide spread acceptance and use, and yet you need people staking to secure the network. I recently read about some coin that was changing it in some way so that actually using the coin would increase your stake in some way.  There was also a paper out in June about Proof of Activity that I think tried to address these issues but it's a bit above my head at this point.  So basically I'm asking if BTCD has done anything like that or if it's the "typical" PoS.

These aren't problems. The majority of coin holders controlling the network is the ideal situation, since these are the ones who are most incentivised to maintain the coin's value and worth. It means a 51% attack is extremely difficult since an attacker has to buy a majority of coins, and as he starts buying the price goes out, making it many times more expensive than a PoW attack.

There is no conflict between staking and spending. Not all coins need to be staked for the network to be secure, and there will never need to be a situation where a huge percentage of coins are actively being traded at a single instance in time. When the coins aren't actively moving they can be staked.

Basically PoS has many advantages over PoW, so those who prefer PoW coins will often have to make up reasons why their system is better.

I understand that PoS has advantages over PoW.  But it also has some disadvantages.  I just finished reading through both the BC PoS V2 and Reddcoin PoSV white papers. They both outline the various problems/issues with PoS and they both have implemented things to try and deal with some of those issues. I also ran across this paper http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~idddo/CoA.pdf which discusses a Chain of Activity protocol to resolve some PoS flaws and it was spun off from PoA that I found here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2014-06-20-proof-of-activity-extending-bitcoins-proof-of-work-via-pos-659275.

As I said in my post, I'm asking if BTCD has done anything along those lines.  I would have to assume it hasn't given the responses.
The dev repo has BC PoS v2 implemented
member
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September 20, 2014, 11:52:18 AM
the price is cheap. buy some.
I will sell at 0.2btc. Grin Grin Grin
member
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September 20, 2014, 11:35:33 AM
There is no reason to sell atm

I bought few more at 0.0123 Cheesy Love the cheap coins.
hero member
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September 20, 2014, 11:19:31 AM
There is no reason to sell atm
member
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September 20, 2014, 10:31:19 AM
783K? Never seen that high Network Weight and it is increasing.

{
"Enabled" : true,
"Staking" : true,
"Errors" : "",
"Current Block Size" : 1000,
"Current Block Tx" : 0,
"Pooled Tx" : 0,
"Difficulty" : 0.00804450,
"Search Interval" : 1,
"Weight" : 1182,
"Net Stake Weight" : 783902,
"Expected Time" : 39791
}
newbie
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September 20, 2014, 06:48:47 AM
I´m sorry, I know this doesn´t belong here, but I was just happy to see the critical discussion of America and how it´s being viewed in the world, and I just wanted to give an outside view, since I´m german, and I can tell you me and all my friends haaaate the American government  Grin , maybe even more than the german one (it´s mostly the same people making the decisions, anyway), although this has clearly nothing to do with any one person coming from or living in America!

I´m not the average german guy though, which is why I´m in a crypto forum, obviously.

Ever heard of TTIP? God, I hate these american corporate motherfuckers  Angry
Wait, who signs the contract?? God, I hate these german corporate motherfuckers!!!
Other countries treat their citizens even worse???  Oh no! How I hate these corporate motherfuckers!!!

Back to topic: What a luck we have to have crypto, constantly trying to take away the power from these evil bastards.

And now I´m on the NSA List as well. I surely was before, though...

Thanks you, James, for trying to find a way to get us small people out of this mess!
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sr. member
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September 20, 2014, 05:55:26 AM

I have a couple questions about this coin related to more basic fundamentals as opposed to any sort of "gimmick" type things.

1. Unlike a few other coins that have anonymity, even if they're not currently trustless, BTCD doesn't have any anonymity yet correct?

The Teleport is what I am working on now, https://github.com/jl777/btcd has the latest version I am debugging. it is not the official version yet.

The OP refers to this post regarding anon.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684090.740
That post seems to say it's an implementation of CN tech for anon. But was that dumped for Teleport now?


I have no idea what you're talking about.  Cryptonote was removed from the OP a long time ago once the details of the Teleport system became clear.

This is in the Op in big bold letters

**Anon-tech Development Underway**
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684090.740 Post#746



Thanks for reminding me about the link.  I thought you had meant the direct info in the post. 

I'll remove this link as it contains out-dated info. 
full member
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September 20, 2014, 05:38:36 AM

I understand that PoS has advantages over PoW.  But it also has some disadvantages.  I just finished reading through both the BC PoS V2 and Reddcoin PoSV white papers. They both outline the various problems/issues with PoS and they both have implemented things to try and deal with some of those issues. I also ran across this paper http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~idddo/CoA.pdf which discusses a Chain of Activity protocol to resolve some PoS flaws and it was spun off from PoA that I found here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2014-06-20-proof-of-activity-extending-bitcoins-proof-of-work-via-pos-659275.

As I said in my post, I'm asking if BTCD has done anything along those lines.  I would have to assume it hasn't given the responses.

Nxt has a similar PoS algorithm to the updated Blackcoin one (http://www.nxtcommunity.org/nxt-whitepaper), and BTCD has talked about implementing that version of PoS. I don't think they are working on that at the moment, but longterm, I believe BTCD are planning on moving away from the coin age version.

I'm not sure that the proof of activity/transaction idea has been shown to work very well, plus I'm not sure it's a big problem. In this regard, PoS coins are similar to bitcoin, why spend when you believe it'll go up. Even if there's an incentive to hoard, you can't take your coins to the grave, people will want to spend them.
sr. member
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September 20, 2014, 05:30:32 AM
I'm far from an expert on this stuff, but it's my understanding that there's a couple problems with PoS. The first being that those that hold the majority of the coins basically control the network. i.e. Like a 51% issue.  The other problem is that when people are staking, there's no economy going on. Sort of a catch 22 thing. You need people actually using the coins for it to gain wide spread acceptance and use, and yet you need people staking to secure the network. I recently read about some coin that was changing it in some way so that actually using the coin would increase your stake in some way.  There was also a paper out in June about Proof of Activity that I think tried to address these issues but it's a bit above my head at this point.  So basically I'm asking if BTCD has done anything like that or if it's the "typical" PoS.

These aren't problems. The majority of coin holders controlling the network is the ideal situation, since these are the ones who are most incentivised to maintain the coin's value and worth. It means a 51% attack is extremely difficult since an attacker has to buy a majority of coins, and as he starts buying the price goes out, making it many times more expensive than a PoW attack.

There is no conflict between staking and spending. Not all coins need to be staked for the network to be secure, and there will never need to be a situation where a huge percentage of coins are actively being traded at a single instance in time. When the coins aren't actively moving they can be staked.

Basically PoS has many advantages over PoW, so those who prefer PoW coins will often have to make up reasons why their system is better.

I understand that PoS has advantages over PoW.  But it also has some disadvantages.  I just finished reading through both the BC PoS V2 and Reddcoin PoSV white papers. They both outline the various problems/issues with PoS and they both have implemented things to try and deal with some of those issues. I also ran across this paper http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~idddo/CoA.pdf which discusses a Chain of Activity protocol to resolve some PoS flaws and it was spun off from PoA that I found here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2014-06-20-proof-of-activity-extending-bitcoins-proof-of-work-via-pos-659275.

As I said in my post, I'm asking if BTCD has done anything along those lines.  I would have to assume it hasn't given the responses.
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September 20, 2014, 05:21:38 AM
PoS coins have the same problem with blockchain bloat as PoW coins. Because they are newer, their blockchains are much smaller than BTC's so it's not a current issue. Undoubtedly, blockchain pruning will arrive if it becomes too severe.

When people talk about blockchain bloat, they are often talking about cryptonote coins, which bloat the blockchain to a much higher degree than standard blockchains. Teleport anonymity won't have the blockchain bloat problems of cryptonote coins.
sr. member
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September 20, 2014, 05:14:58 AM
I have a couple questions about this coin related to more basic fundamentals as opposed to any sort of "gimmick" type things.

1. Unlike a few other coins that have anonymity, even if they're not currently trustless, BTCD doesn't have any anonymity yet correct?

2. What has BTCD done to overcome the BTC blockchain bloat issue?

3. Is the PoS in BTCD basically that the richest coin holders control the blockchain or has it implemented some alternate system to alleviate that problem.

4. How solid is the current hashrate in comparison to something like Peercoin? i.e. How secure is the network?

2. You seems to be not well informed but PoS coins don't have any issues with the Blockchain bloat.

Ok. Would you care to explain why that is then?  I guess the closest to Bitcoin in terms of being around the longest would be Peercoin but I haven't got that one and downloaded to blockchain in order to compare it.
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September 20, 2014, 05:01:08 AM
I'm far from an expert on this stuff, but it's my understanding that there's a couple problems with PoS. The first being that those that hold the majority of the coins basically control the network. i.e. Like a 51% issue.  The other problem is that when people are staking, there's no economy going on. Sort of a catch 22 thing. You need people actually using the coins for it to gain wide spread acceptance and use, and yet you need people staking to secure the network. I recently read about some coin that was changing it in some way so that actually using the coin would increase your stake in some way.  There was also a paper out in June about Proof of Activity that I think tried to address these issues but it's a bit above my head at this point.  So basically I'm asking if BTCD has done anything like that or if it's the "typical" PoS.

These aren't problems. The majority of coin holders controlling the network is the ideal situation, since these are the ones who are most incentivised to maintain the coin's value and worth. It means a 51% attack is extremely difficult since an attacker has to buy a majority of coins, and as he starts buying the price goes out, making it many times more expensive than a PoW attack.

There is no conflict between staking and spending. Not all coins need to be staked for the network to be secure, and there will never need to be a situation where a huge percentage of coins are actively being traded at a single instance in time. When the coins aren't actively moving they can be staked.

Basically PoS has many advantages over PoW, so those who prefer PoW coins will often have to make up reasons why their system is better.
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September 20, 2014, 04:35:45 AM


a friend of mine tells people he is from canada when he travels...doesn't want people to know he is american

I would say that's the most cowardly and repulsive thing I have ever heard. Why pretend? Just tell your friend to move to Canada, America doesn't need people like that.

Americans have plenty to be proud of, as long as we can be humble about it. There are a lot of American a**holes but that's even more reason to be a better person and set a better example to the world when you travel to other countries. Don't pretend you're a Canadian or Australian, just be a better American than any foreigner would expect and win back respect with your actions and your attitude (be humble).

It is not cowardly and repulsive. If you had spent years living, traveling, working out of the US, you would know this is an entirely wise thing to do. You apparently have not, nevertheless you feel free to opinionate on it.

Living inside your bubble you do not understand that to the rest of the world, the American overreach since 9/11 has become very real, and unavoidable. Several mideast wars for dubious reasons, FACTA growing like an octopus across the world financial system, the NSA back dooring into the private lives of non US citizens through hardware, Skype, Facebook, deep ocean internet cable monitoring and anything else the they can think of - this is the day to day experience of the US for people who are not Americans. It is not a matter of a 'some americans being a-holes'. It is a matter of a complacent and once-free citizenry being apathetic to a hollowing out of their own constitution, and a lethargic acceptance of their government trampling on the natural human rights, privacy and independence of others across the world.

I recommend the book "Dirty Wars" by Jeremy Shahill. In which American tax dollars end with an intentional drone strike on a 16 year old boy. This is the America many are seeing from the outside and you are not.


I think you might be the one living in a bubble, friend, you have made so many false assumptions about who you are talking to. Anyway, what we are discussing is completely off-topic and doesn't belong in this thread. I just wanted you to know that I am very familiar with the attitude toward Americans abroad, I am an American expatriate (feel free to confirm my IP with a moderator). I have traveled extensively and live outside of the US and I have many friends who are expats, and most of us, though frustrated with the American government, still LOVE America. Most people in other countries love their country as well. And mostly the attitude towards Americans is based on the attitude of that particular American, not based on what the US government might or might not have done. They don't know OR CARE about the NSA or any of that. In fact, I find it hard to believe that you are not the person who you think you are addressing, an American living in a bubble who does not have any awareness of what the rest of the world is like. "...deep ocean internet cable monitoring and anything else the they can think of - this is the day to day experience of the US for people who are not Americans." No it's not, unless maybe if you are a terrorist.
Foreigners don't put America as the center of their lives in a good, bad, or any way, as you do. Only Americans give that much importance to America.

well... there ya go... people who have a different opinion must be "with the terrorists" .... and you didn't at all address the matters at hand, the hollowing out of the 4th amendment at home, and the imposition of american will abroad.

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