Topic: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game - page 143. (Read 293938 times)

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Before a game runs, you make up a seed and a crash point, hash the two together and publish the hash.

Once the game has crashed, you publish the seed, which allows everyone else to hash together the seed and the crash point and check that it matches the hash you published before the game started.

If you were cheating, you would publish a random hash before the betting started, wait to see how much people bet, then chose a crash point accordingly, then when the game crashed you would have to hope that nobody had looked at the hash. Then you could hash the seed and the actual crash point together and store that hash in your database.

Then later when someone asks for the hash, seed, and crash point for the old game, you give them the hash that "prove" you pre-determined the crash point.

The problem is that the hash was generated *after* the betting, not before. And so the only way to verify the pre-determinedness of the crash point is to use the hash that is published *before* a game starts.


You know when you're playing the lottery, and you have to pick your numbers *before* the draw, and get them printed on a ticket? If the numbers that get drawn match the numbers you picked, you have proof that you're "lucky" or something.

It's like that.

Proving that you know the winning numbers after the draw has been done isn't useful. Everyone can do that. If the numbers you pick after the draw match the draw, you don't have proof of anything. You could have been lucky, but probably you just saw the draw.

WTF YOU TALKING ABOUT !    MAYBE YOU DON'T REALIZE WHATS ABOUT TO HAPPEN HERE ? LOL

how is providing accurate historical data "tampering with the game" ?     what are you smoking?


>>> regardless i can't see any of this as i can't even log into the main screen !   

If I give you a historical hash, it is useless -- as if I was tampering with the game, I'd also change that too. The only way to verify the game is via using a hash you know was sent before the game started. You can either do this manually, or with a bot.

then they cannot be checked! ? yes thats why i'm asking ! what is this ?    

~sounds dodgy+ i can't even log into the main site now!  

WHAT GIVES BRO?


>>>DOES SOMEONE NEED TO CREATE A SEPARATE BOT/SITE TO RECORD THE HASHES? WTF

There is no record of hashes, this is by design. If you don't understand why, you likely don't understand how the provably predetermined thing works =)

unlock my ip address Eric ... or is this "leets only" type site? 

so you purposefully make it impossible to check? ,,you have lost me!   so there is no record of actual hashes?

The game crashes of the old game (back 2 months ago) were a bit different, and don't make too much sense in the current context. (i.e. that game didn't really crash at 0.01x).  I tried to backport the old scheme to the way moneypot works now -- but I forgot in the database that I stored 2.43 as a 243 -- and my script fucked it up. I'll pull the historic game crash data from a backup and restore them when I get a chance. It's just for historical interest though. =)

The best way to verify is *first* copy the hash from before a game starts. Then watch the game, and see where it ends. Then click in the history to go to the game details, and copy the seed. Now compute the sha1(gameCrash + '|' + seed) and you can verify it matches the original hash.

It's very tedious to do by hand, but there is at least two money pot bots playing money -- and one of them is verifying hashes -- the other i'm not so sure, but i wouldn't be surprised if it did so too.

instead of calling sites scam, go and learn how to play cricket

looks like the site is offline ? i can't log into the main site anymore ~

CHECK THIS OUT >> looks like there is another moneypot that predates this one ! >> http://www.whois.com/whois/moneypot.in

 

ok gotcha ...so in this example where do you check to see what the hash was? >>> https://www.moneypot.com/game/163325


my result is : 001|cc12bb29153bf2648da4f2cbf6d021f9 =

022a5bebd783301e11caae02ec4ac783af0a42fa3269e69d4b4522ce87b47361


^is this correct? tia

Try this one:
http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator

You concatenate the strings, meaning you combine them into one. Exactly as it is shown there.

Paste this into the box in the sha256 hash calculator

1631|e4e93da14e26c6d9a1e22f6d0e63c52d

And your result should be

25957aaf0a91ed9faaa0b4622f890a98eba174d40513cb0344ffc01a4bb55fce

Don't worry, we were all noobs at one point. But that you admit you are a noob and then accuse several game sites about their provably fair implementation does not look good for you.

I hope that some day you will understand.

You can also try any other SHA256 calculator. You will get the same result.

I recommend

http://www.convertstring.com/en/Hash/SHA256

Simple and easy to use ^

site down? :\


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Is the game fair?

Absolutely! And we can prove it: Before each game starts and before any player joins we send a hash of what the result will be. The hash we display is calculated as: sha256(gameCrashAmount + '|' + seed)

And after a game ends, you can look up the gameCrashAmount and the seed and compute the sha256(gameCrashAmount + '|' + seed) to verify that we never changed the gameCrashAmount.

Note: The gameCrashAmount is an integer that represents when the game crashes as a percentage. E.g. this Game crashed at 16.31x with a a seed of e4e93da14e26c6d9a1e22f6d0e63c52d. So, to prove we didn't cheat, the hash you would have seen on your client is 25957aaf0a91ed9faaa0b4622f890a98eba174d40513cb0344ffc01a4bb55fce which we computed via: sha256('1631|e4e93da14e26c6d9a1e22f6d0e63c52d')


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so you add gamecrashamount + '|' + seed? <-------- so you add first with a calculator? ..what does '|' represent?

*...sorry noob here ! :\

step by step ~ first what sha-256 calculator do you recommend?

https://www.moneypot.com/faq#fair

It's all there bud.

It would help if you used the 'quote' button to show us what you're referring to.

I remember Eric say he had stopped using Amazon's services:


I don't remember him saying he was auctioning the site "due to AMAZON".

I don't think it would make sense to shut the site down while auctioning it. It's worth more as a "going concern", surely?

So strange how you said you were auctioning this site due to AMAZON.. yet it's still up and collecting profits

yes this is the mp thread! ~ short answer: you don't know how to verify the game hash?  :\ meh

I thought you were referring to all the other dice sites where you have played on. This one, you don't need to verify the "rolls" but you can verify that the game is fair. You have the choice to pick what point to cash out. That is completely up to you and the site can not change that. It is already telling you when it will crash, but only reveals this after the game, which can not be changed.

Thus it is fair. So, do you have a problem with the way it is implemented? Or do you not understand how to play?