Topic: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game - page 144. (Read 293938 times)

rolls? there is no "rolls"

ok old wise one


:>> how do you verify rolls on this site ? -> step by step for moneypot?


i have witnessed consistent patterns that defy reason TIME AND TIME AGAIN!

>> why would they cheat you say? lmfao 

Have you tried verifying your rolls? It seems you don't even bother. (Sorry to other people who have him on ignore.)

i agree i just have been seeing this kind of thing constantly with these sites where it's advertised as completely random and each instance independent of one another yet time and time again unmathematical patterns emerge! ~ :\

Actually, I had a look recently, and I think a few of the original secret providers are dead, BitSaloon is one of them, dead now.

But to answer your question, the draw would not happen in the first place, and they would not know if they won or lost. If they lose their seed, they will have problems on their own site, because it's being used for their game.

SatoshiDice is still around, for example, they are not going to lose their seed, unless they stop operating.

When I resume my lotto, I will probably trim down the list of secret providers. In fact, I really only need one other. It was fun including seven of them, but if you think about it, random.org is all I would really ever need.

If I wanted the game to be more "bitcoiny", and remove dependence on anything else except bitcoin itself (the network), then I will simply use a future block hash. It is extremely unlikely that some powerful miner or mining group or pool would bother to try to manipulate this.

My own secret is committed, and I'll reveal it after I get the block hash. My original problem was time synchronization, but if I have my own website, then I could just use my own time. (I'll try to stick to whatever the atomic clocks says, within 1~2 seconds.)

A previous lotto (that died as well) used the results of a government real life lotto. I could do that, but what happens if the draw is delayed? (Not likely, they will probably announce something.)

Actually, I'd like to hire you, but based on your posts, I think I can't afford you.

I had a look, it's quite a nice scheme -- but how do you handle one of the secret providers not revealing the hash? e.g. the site is down, they lose the seed etc.

Imagine this,  BitSaloon secretly buys 50% of your tickets, then they have a 50% chance of winning. If they don't win, instead of revealing the seed that would prove so, they lose it (or suspend the site). As I understand it, you'll be forced to do a redraw, which would effectively give them a 75% of winning with 50% of the tickets

That's how my lotto works. Secrets from the future. Provably fair for everyone.

No, I was just brought here from the fiasco.ninja thread, and then got curious about the fairness aspect.
Some time ago I was trying to design a multiplayer game, the project was later abandoned but I'm still intellectualy interested in the topic. It is very challenging to design a fair multiplayer game without the possibility of shill from insider (ie, owner/operator), that is equally fair to everybody. I remember helping the satoshirat guy to change his game so it was fair, but it definitely puts some heavy constraints on the design. My current stance is that if the round is on a time scale of minutes, a multiplayer game can be fair only if there is no action/choice involved in a round, only stochasticity (like satoshirat). If the round is on a longer time scale (like a day) the game definitely can involve action/choice from participants and be fair at the same time (imagine that the outcome to determine the winner could be the hash of the first block that comes after midnight). I'm getting off-topic, sorry. 
Anyway no I'm not interested to buy it, but this has nothing to do with the quality of moneypot. I wish it will sell well!

Considering there have already been hundreds of thousands of games played on the site, I am pretty sure there are a lot more "extreme" patterns.

if you are not good in gambling then you should stop it

ya and beyond that what are the chances of hitting TWO OF THE SAME NUMBERS? LMFAO o____o

Looks like 10 rolls in a row crashed below 2x. That's about a 1 in a 1000 chance of happening (2^10). He's been doing this for a year or so now, playing until a reasonably unlikely sequence of "reds" happens, and then calling it a scam.

Like I say, just ignore him. Almost everyone does by now.

HASHES? WHY YOU DELETE? HMMMM

hey fuck you i've bent over backwards to sort out your mess and you call me a troll? you better check yourself fool!

Pay him no attention, he's a troll and thrives on it. He knows very well the site isn't a scam, just like all other sites he accuses. And in fact he is sitting on a realized profit with him having pulled 61.6k more bits out of the site than the meager amount he put it. And no, I've not given him any comps. He's not upset about taking a loss, he's just a troll.

no they are not theyre provability predetermined,,whatever the fuck that means..the house knows when to hit the kill switch...you must be ignorant ?  

BBmmBB, post proof of your claims or shut up. All games are provably fair and you know that. If you suck it's not their fault.

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Welcome to my ignore list.

TOTALLY RANDOM!!!! LOL MONEY? YA RIGHT>>I'M ACTUALLY POSITIVE RIGHT NOW ! (:

Apparently, you have a history of losing money on every site and calling it a scam. The more likely explanation is you're really bad at gambling. Maybe you should stop.

Seems you are calling everysite a scam.

1.75x   -   -   -
1.28x   -   -   -
1.06x   -   -   -
1.60x   -   -   -
1.36x   -   7,737   -7,737 (+0.11)
1.03x   -   1,137   -1,137 (+11.37)
1.06x   -   1,137   -1,137 (+11.33)
1.52x   -   1,137   -1,137
1.65x   -   37   -37
1.08x   -   3,337   -3,337





^^REALLY? --I'M CALLING SCAM