Topic: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game - page 160. (Read 293938 times)
Cool game, I played for a while and I had a great time, recomended.
Yeah, I've run into that display bug in the history window before as well. Not sure what causes it, but it is just a client side display issue it seems.
Here's a weird one:
Damn, you hit quite a bug combo there. Working on it.
For what it's worth, when you hit the back button or leave the page or disconnect -- the server will treat that as a cash out. The crazy history view is weird, I have no idea how that happened -- but the server side history looks perfect.
Thanks for continuing to play despite the real alphaness of it all =)
It's still fun even with all the little bugs.
I do think you should put a warning / disclaimer on the site somewhere obvious though, that the game is still 'alpha' and that errors won't necessarily be made right - or whatever you decide to do about losses resulting from errors.
Since most of the issues are client-side it's probably impossible for you to know when people have lost coins due to bugs and when they're just trying to cheat you...
Here's a weird one:
Damn, you hit quite a bug combo there. Working on it.
For what it's worth, when you hit the back button or leave the page or disconnect -- the server will treat that as a cash out. The crazy history view is weird, I have no idea how that happened -- but the server side history looks perfect.
Thanks for continuing to play despite the real alphaness of it all =)
Here's a weird one:
As you can see (last but one bet) I bet 50k bits at a multiplier of 60k times, winning 3k BTC, but they didn't show up in my balance...
But seriously, I had accidentally clicked to bet while a previous game was running. Just as the game was ending I clicked 'cancel', and saw it cancel in the GUI, and started editing the bet amount (taking out a zero) but the bet was placed even though I clicked cancel, and hitting backspace in an attempt to delete a zero seemed to do a 'back' in the browser, taking me to the homepage of the site.
When I clicked 'play' to get back into the game, my history showed as in the screenshot, with all the multipliers wrong.
Also, the 'www.' in the domain name is mandatory if you're on the https site.
https://moneypot.com/ gives an error.
It would be better to get rid of the www., and redirect www.moneypot.com to just moneypot.com.
As you can see (last but one bet) I bet 50k bits at a multiplier of 60k times, winning 3k BTC, but they didn't show up in my balance...
But seriously, I had accidentally clicked to bet while a previous game was running. Just as the game was ending I clicked 'cancel', and saw it cancel in the GUI, and started editing the bet amount (taking out a zero) but the bet was placed even though I clicked cancel, and hitting backspace in an attempt to delete a zero seemed to do a 'back' in the browser, taking me to the homepage of the site.
When I clicked 'play' to get back into the game, my history showed as in the screenshot, with all the multipliers wrong.
Also, the 'www.' in the domain name is mandatory if you're on the https site.
https://moneypot.com/ gives an error.
It would be better to get rid of the www., and redirect www.moneypot.com to just moneypot.com.
Well, you have a shitload of luck/skill as it seems. I keep losing everything, haha. Anyway, it really is addictive and the owner is a great guy if you ask me.
Mostly I'm just martingale betting, and starting small enough that I can withstand a decent number of losses in a row.
I just hit 400k profit for the first time, on bet number 1337!
Edit: I got backed-off:
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Edit2: Eric came back and told me I could keep playing.
Game is definitely very fun, even though I always lose my money 
I agree. It's a fun game to play. The small element of skill really makes a difference - though of course it's mostly just luck:
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Well, you have a shitload of luck/skill as it seems. I keep losing everything, haha. Anyway, it really is addictive and the owner is a great guy if you ask me. [IMAGE]
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I have been playing this game for three days now and I really like how it works. espringe is doing a great job 
I agree. It's a fun game to play. The small element of skill really makes a difference - though of course it's mostly just luck:
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This is a great game. You should try it!
I have been playing this game for three days now and I really like how it works. espringe is doing a great job
Kick ass work dooglus.
However, I think your last post taken out of context is quite misleading.
I gave you two ways to derive the game crash -- and the you plotted is was the one I said was simpler, but that I *didn't* use
So harsh. To keep it in perspective, when doubling your money, that's it's a difference between a house edge of 0.5% and 0.5025%
I don't think anyone could possibly have a problem with that. However if I switch to such a formula for my provably fair version, (which is nice, as it has such a simple inverse:`(99/100x -1)`) -- I will update the calculator to reflect the imperceptible difference
However, I think your last post taken out of context is quite misleading.
I was given an equation my Eric (site owner) that he claims generates the multipliers fairly, and plotted it against the equation I just derived above
I gave you two ways to derive the game crash -- and the you plotted is was the one I said was simpler, but that I *didn't* use
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But zooming in at the m=2 zone you see that his formula is being a little stingy, slightly ripping players off:
So harsh. To keep it in perspective, when doubling your money, that's it's a difference between a house edge of 0.5% and 0.5025%
I don't think anyone could possibly have a problem with that. However if I switch to such a formula for my provably fair version, (which is nice, as it has such a simple inverse:`(99/100x -1)`) -- I will update the calculator to reflect the imperceptible difference
I was given an equation my Eric (site owner) that he claims generates the multipliers fairly, and plotted it against the equation I just derived above:
You can only see one line, because they're so close together.
But zooming in at the m=2 zone you see that his formula is being a little stingy, slightly ripping players off:
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I'm surprised the two formulae give such similar curves.
You can only see one line, because they're so close together.
But zooming in at the m=2 zone you see that his formula is being a little stingy, slightly ripping players off:
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I'm surprised the two formulae give such similar curves.
We were talking on-site about how to fairly generate the 'crash points'.
Here's what I came up with:
the probability of turning i into 1.0 is p = (99 + i) * i/100
>>> i=0.5; (99 + i) * i/100
0.4975 (probability of 2x)
>>> i=0.2; (99 + i) * i/100
0.1984 (probability of 5x)
We want to be able to generate multipliers with this distribution.
Suppose we randomly pick p in range 0 to 1
We want to use p to create a multiplier m such that:
p = (99 + i) * i/100 (1)
m = 1/i (2)
So we need to solve (1) for i.
It's a quadratic:
p = (i + 99) * i/100
100*p = i*i + 99*i
i*i + 99*i - 100*p = 0
We solve like we were taught at school:
axx + bx + c = 0 has roots x = [ -b +- sqrt(bb-4ac) ] / 2a
In our case:
a=1; b=99; c=-100p
So:
i = (-b +- sqrt(bb - 4ac)) / 2a
= (-99 +- sqrt(99*99 + 400p)) / 2
and m = 1/i
= 2 / (sqrt(99*99 + 400p) - 99)
Checking, we find m for p=0.4975 and p=0.1984, and see that it's right:
>>> p = 0.4975; 2 / (math.sqrt(99*99 + 400*p) - 99)
2.0
>>> p = 0.1984; 2 / (math.sqrt(99*99 + 400*p) - 99)
5.0
Note that p=0 gives a divide by zero, so maybe was use a rand() that gives 0<=p<1 and use 1-p in the equation
Here's what I came up with:
the probability of turning i into 1.0 is p = (99 + i) * i/100
>>> i=0.5; (99 + i) * i/100
0.4975 (probability of 2x)
>>> i=0.2; (99 + i) * i/100
0.1984 (probability of 5x)
We want to be able to generate multipliers with this distribution.
Suppose we randomly pick p in range 0 to 1
We want to use p to create a multiplier m such that:
p = (99 + i) * i/100 (1)
m = 1/i (2)
So we need to solve (1) for i.
It's a quadratic:
p = (i + 99) * i/100
100*p = i*i + 99*i
i*i + 99*i - 100*p = 0
We solve like we were taught at school:
axx + bx + c = 0 has roots x = [ -b +- sqrt(bb-4ac) ] / 2a
In our case:
a=1; b=99; c=-100p
So:
i = (-b +- sqrt(bb - 4ac)) / 2a
= (-99 +- sqrt(99*99 + 400p)) / 2
and m = 1/i
= 2 / (sqrt(99*99 + 400p) - 99)
Checking, we find m for p=0.4975 and p=0.1984, and see that it's right:
>>> p = 0.4975; 2 / (math.sqrt(99*99 + 400*p) - 99)
2.0
>>> p = 0.1984; 2 / (math.sqrt(99*99 + 400*p) - 99)
5.0
Note that p=0 gives a divide by zero, so maybe was use a rand() that gives 0<=p<1 and use 1-p in the equation
This could use some padding between name and multiplier:
Thanks dooglus, I agree with everything you've said so far. You've been immensely helpful, and really having you and jebby play on my site was the highlight of my month. I could feel my heart racing when you both deposited a bitcoin each.
I'm going to go through everything you said and implement it all -- with the possible exception of prematurely ending the game when everyone cashes out. I'll fire you a message when I'm there, and would love you have you play again.
Seriously, thanks very much!
I'm going to go through everything you said and implement it all -- with the possible exception of prematurely ending the game when everyone cashes out. I'll fire you a message when I'm there, and would love you have you play again.
Seriously, thanks very much!
On https://www.moneypot.com/game/487409 I would much prefer to see it sorted by cash-out time rather than bet size.
It's quite easy to sort by bet size in my head if I need to, but the payouts often look much the same, and aren't "nice" numbers.
The bonus amounts on that page are very small and hard to read. There's horizontal space, so they could be bigger and beside the symbol rather than under it.
It's quite easy to sort by bet size in my head if I need to, but the payouts often look much the same, and aren't "nice" numbers.
The bonus amounts on that page are very small and hard to read. There's horizontal space, so they could be bigger and beside the symbol rather than under it.
I just have to say, I love this game so much! I highly recommend it to anyone, really. It's fun, which is what gambling really comes down to. Get syou excited, disappoints, wins a ton, etc. Never going back to dice xD.
Give it a day or two and report back. I initially had the same feeling, but I found it doesn't last.
I've no idea why. It could just be about the level of "polish" on the various sites, or maybe it's the bad taste left by the lack of true provable fairness at moneypot, but I find I keep going back to dicebitco.in.
It was fun last night when a bunch of us all had 'free trial' bits to throw away and I could experiment with strategy, but I always end up busting in the end. When you see one player betting 1k at 1.02x over and over, it seems that betting 1k at 1.03x is +EV, since you get 1% of both his bet and your bet as a bonus every time you win (so long as nobody is playing for bigger stakes or bigger multipliers). As new players play you are pressured to increase your stake and/or multiplier to keep it +EV, but then you also increase your chance of busting. Quite an interesting dynamic.
I just have to say, I love this game so much! I highly recommend it to anyone, really. It's fun, which is what gambling really comes down to. Get syou excited, disappoints, wins a ton, etc. Never going back to dice xD.
very interesting concept... i gonna register soon
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