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September 17, 2014, 12:51:23 AM
For those people thinking "how can he afford to pay out at 16000x when the max bet is 0.1 BTC? this must be a scam!", the maximum profit per round is something like 1 BTC. The game constantly monitors how much it would have to pay out if everyone was to cash out "right now", and automatically cashes everyone out when that amount is too much. So Eric never loses more than 1 BTC (or 0.9 BTC? I'm not sure of the number) in total per round, even if it does go to 16000x.
You can earn a maximum of 1BTC per round and the maximum amount of coins you can gamble per game is 0.1BTC. This can (and most likely will) be changed. Wink
legendary
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September 16, 2014, 05:49:20 PM
This just happened lol!
https://www.moneypot.com/game/557830

16k multiplyer Smiley

For those people thinking "how can he afford to pay out at 16000x when the max bet is 0.1 BTC? this must be a scam!", the maximum profit per round is something like 1 BTC. The game constantly monitors how much it would have to pay out if everyone was to cash out "right now", and automatically cashes everyone out when that amount is too much. So Eric never loses more than 1 BTC (or 0.9 BTC? I'm not sure of the number) in total per round, even if it does go to 16000x.

Yup exactly Smiley

Highest i have seen so far, but i know there was one over 20000
legendary
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September 16, 2014, 05:45:37 PM
This just happened lol!
https://www.moneypot.com/game/557830

16k multiplyer Smiley

For those people thinking "how can he afford to pay out at 16000x when the max bet is 0.1 BTC? this must be a scam!", the maximum profit per round is something like 1 BTC. The game constantly monitors how much it would have to pay out if everyone was to cash out "right now", and automatically cashes everyone out when that amount is too much. So Eric never loses more than 1 BTC (or 0.9 BTC? I'm not sure of the number) in total per round, even if it does go to 16000x.
legendary
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September 16, 2014, 04:49:43 PM
This just happened lol!
https://www.moneypot.com/game/557830

16k multiplyer Smiley
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September 16, 2014, 04:27:46 AM
Seems someone posted a link to your site on PD, not sure if it was OP or just someone since it was directlink ANwyas Im checking it out lol
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September 16, 2014, 01:56:32 AM
Well then.
Bank can be made here.  Shocked

11k crash OP
legendary
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September 14, 2014, 12:07:26 PM
Hmm true. Here's my thinking though: I am able and willing to bankroll the vast majority of game play myself. It's just that whale action I need assistance to support. So most of the time, it really feels like the investment scheme means paying investors for a service I don't need.

So almost what I conceptually would like small bets play against my bankroll, while large bets play against my+investor bankroll. I could charge them no management fees at all (as you mention, they'd doing me a favor), but I'm doubt investors would go for something like that as it would leave their money much more idle.

That's not unreasonable. One problem I see with it is that unlike on regular dice sites, you don't know what profit a player is aiming for until they win or lose. If you knew in advance that he was aiming for a 100x payout, you could get investors involved for part of the bet, but you don't.

Is there a dump of JDs bet data anywhere? I'd be very interested in seeing how much the site made on "bets with potential profit <= 1 BTC" and "bets with potential profit over 1 BTC".

There isn't, and I don't have it indexed like that either. I can come up with some numbers though if you give me a while.

The next game I build, is not going to be twitch-sensitive and be a lot more provably fair -- and that's the point when I'll feel a lot more comfortable taking investors and large betters there =)

Fair enough. I see the distinction, and provably fair is the way to go. You'll still get people threatening to beat you up, but at least they'll know deep down that they're in the wrong and could prove it to themselves if they wanted to.
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September 14, 2014, 08:34:26 AM
Well, congratulations to whitetuxpeng! From a modest size deposit, he came in last night to take my months worth of operating profit, and dooglus's #1 rank:

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September 14, 2014, 03:04:19 AM
if possible please do one thing correct which when we click cashout it cashout at the same moment , i started clicking on cashout at 1.5x but i wasnt able till 3x and then i lost

anyways my username is babulal , if possible refund me those 10k

and i lost 10,000 bits because this bad issue ,otherwise it was awesome
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September 13, 2014, 11:54:48 PM
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Yes, but only while they're playing, which is a small percentage of the time. They tend to cash out early or go bust. And while they're playing they create a buzz that's worth more than any paid-for advertisement. People love to watch whale action.

Hmm true. Here's my thinking though: I am able and willing to bankroll the vast majority of game play myself. It's just that whale action I need assistance to support. So most of the time, it really feels like the investment scheme means paying investors for a service I don't need.

So almost what I conceptually would like small bets play against my bankroll, while large bets play against my+investor bankroll. I could charge them no management fees at all (as you mention, they'd doing me a favor), but I'm doubt investors would go for something like that as it would leave their money much more idle.

Is there a dump of JDs bet data anywhere? I'd be very interested in seeing how much the site made on "bets with potential profit <= 1 BTC" and "bets with potential profit over 1 BTC".


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Even on a site like Just-Dice (where it was mathematically provable that it was fair) we had people who didn't (or didn't want to) understand provable fairness claiming we were cheating them. There's nothing you can do about people who are unable or unwilling to understand how your game works.

Sure, but the difference is if someone loses 10 BTC on JD, and calls foul play -- everyone will laugh at them. But if someone loses the same amount on money pot an calls foul play everyone thinks: "yeah, that's possible -- i wonder if MP is cheating".

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"oblivious", right? That's a fair point.
Yeah, sorry.

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That's fine, but I think it's a shame. You seem like a good trustworthy guy, which is what we need in the Bitcoin gaming space right now. I think that by limiting your max bet to 0.1 BTC you're missing out on a lot of publicity, action, earnings, etc.

One thing I learnt is that when people lose due to latency or perceived latency, it leaves them with a real bad feeling. People don't feel like they lost, they feel like there was a problem in the game. I have one guy threatening to have me beat up because of it (and that's despite me even comping him 2/5th of his loss) -- and I don't even think he's an evil or bad person, just someone who genuinely feels wronged.

The next game I build, is not going to be twitch-sensitive and be a lot more provably fair -- and that's the point when I'll feel a lot more comfortable taking investors and large betters there =)
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September 13, 2014, 06:58:47 PM
I just quit my job, so after I finish my notice period -- I'm going to be able to really dedicate myself. However, unfortunately, I don't plan on increasing the limits or taking investors for this particular game.

I know I joke about it, but your "softness" in terms of comping players excessively, and paying "good will" payments to anyone with a real or imagined grievance is going to become a problem if you don't get a handle on it.

I understand being generous at the start to build goodwill and a customer base, but when you're giving away 100% or more of your profits I'm not sure it makes sense.

a) I'm greedy, I don't want to give 90% of my winnings to investors Grin

10% of 1000 BTC is more than 100% of 10 BTC. Investors allow you to attract whales. You can always increase your commission rate if you want a bigger share of the profits for yourself - it's not a black and white decision.

b) Whales just unbalance the bonus pool

Yes, but only while they're playing, which is a small percentage of the time. They tend to cash out early or go bust. And while they're playing they create a buzz that's worth more than any paid-for advertisement. People love to watch whale action.

c) I can't comp like a money-hater if I have investors (So far 6.08 BTC in comps given out. Woah.)

Well you can - but only with your 10% (or whatever) of the profits.

d) It's too twitch based, not in the EV sense but in the sense a few milliseconds of lag or latency often is the difference between a successful cash out or not. By limiting peoples bets, I kind of protect themselves a bit

You can make it clear that the game is subject to the vagaries of network lag, and that players can protect themselves by using the auto-cashout option. My connection is horrible but I was happy to play using auto-cashout, with the option to 'twitch' cashout when I got "that feeling".

e) I'm never going to be able to convince everyone its fair (like look at abreezy's complaint, no one can tell if I feigned that network issue or not to stop him cashing out ) -- the more money people risk, the more this is an issue

You can't, but you don't need to. Even on a site like Just-Dice (where it was mathematically provable that it was fair) we had people who didn't (or didn't want to) understand provable fairness claiming we were cheating them. There's nothing you can do about people who are unable or unwilling to understand how your game works. You just need to make it clear in the FAQ that you can't prove various things are fair, and that by playing they are accepting those risks.

f) I envision it as a social game, where people actually try get the bonus -- not play obvious to it.

"oblivious", right? That's a fair point. I don't think "social" is the word - optimal play probably involves focussing too hard on the numbers to ever chat to anyone. But competition for the bonus works at the "whale" level just the same as it does at lower levels - so long as you have enough whales. Maybe run multiple tables, so players who don't want the bonus to be dominated by someone betting whole BTC amounts can have somewhere to play.

For now, I'll step aside and leave the investor/whale market to guys like dice.ninja =)

That's fine, but I think it's a shame. You seem like a good trustworthy guy, which is what we need in the Bitcoin gaming space right now. I think that by limiting your max bet to 0.1 BTC you're missing out on a lot of publicity, action, earnings, etc.
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September 13, 2014, 05:51:05 PM
I hope you consider making a crowd-funded version, with higher limits. I'd be very interested in both investing in and playing on such a site.

Thanks man, I appreciate it.

I just quit my job, so after I finish my notice period -- I'm going to be able to really dedicate myself. However, unfortunately, I don't plan on increasing the limits or taking investors for this particular game.

a) I'm greedy, I don't want to give 90% of my winnings to investors Grin
b) Whales just unbalance the bonus pool
c) I can't comp like a money-hater if I have investors (So far 6.08 BTC in comps given out. Woah.)
d) It's too twitch based, not in the EV sense but in the sense a few milliseconds of lag or latency often is the difference between a successful cash out or not. By limiting peoples bets, I kind of protect themselves a bit
e) I'm never going to be able to convince everyone its fair (like look at abreezy's complaint, no one can tell if I feigned that network issue or not to stop him cashing out ) -- the more money people risk, the more this is an issue
f) I envision it as a social game, where people actually try get the bonus -- not play obvious to it.

For now, I'll step aside and leave the investor/whale market to guys like dice.ninja =)
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September 13, 2014, 05:16:32 PM
I DOUBLED THE 5,000 BITS , GREAT SITE , VERY FAIR AND PAYMENT WAS SENT IN ......... LESS THAN A SECOND , MUST TRY IT GUYS , VERY FUN !!!

IT COULD BE EVEN AWESOME IF DOGECOINS ARE ACCEPTED TOO
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September 13, 2014, 05:14:13 PM
I just saw moneypot, and I really loved it so much.

Very nice and fun playing site.
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September 13, 2014, 04:30:08 PM
Thanks! I learnt a lot from you, and enjoyed having you playing

It's a fun game - much more so than 'traditional' dicing. The real-time element really makes a difference.

I hope you consider making a crowd-funded version, with higher limits. I'd be very interested in both investing in and playing on such a site.
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September 13, 2014, 04:20:48 PM

Just thought I'd report on a positive experience with moneypot.com. Smiley

Thanks! I learnt a lot from you, and enjoyed having you playing



WOW AWESOME SITE !!!! I WISH I HAD SOME BTC , CAN YOU CREDIT MY ACCOUNT WITH SOME BITS SIR ??

USERNAME - babulal

GREAT SITE AND VERY EXCITED
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I like your enthusiasm! Sent you some play money! But let's not turn this into a give-away thread, there's a free 2 bits an hour in the game for anyone who wants to try =)

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September 13, 2014, 03:58:46 PM
Hi, so I was playing a 100K bitc bet and I wanted to cashout early. But once I hit on cashout the thing got stuck at 1.16X and the line just kept on moving up till something like 1.7X and it  crashed.. please refund me 0.116 btc to my account zody because the client server got stuck, everything was fine at my part.

http://imgur.com/hvPgsgk

Hi Abreezy,

Firstly, as a token of good will -- I've credited your account 0.116 BTC.

The issue you saw is caused when the client doesn't hear from the server in a period of 300ms -- it locks the chart on the last value it saw, until the connection resolves.

However, I would like to make it clear that even in the presence of network issues, I can not keep offering rebates -- as if you look at it from my perspective, I actually don't make money in these cases. There are three possibilities:

a) The connection resumes, and the 'cash out' button you no doubt spammed gets sent to the server.
b) The server detects you disconnects and cashes you out
c) You stay in the game, the game continues until crash or max-payout (in this case it would've been 10x)

In all three cases, you are just effectively increasing your risk and reward -- your EV stays more or less the same [2], it's not a source of money for me when network issues slow down (or even prevent!) cash outs




[1] Technically it goes slightly down as the house margin approaches 1%

WOW AWESOME SITE !!!! I WISH I HAD SOME BTC , CAN YOU CREDIT MY ACCOUNT WITH SOME BITS SIR ??

USERNAME - babulal

GREAT SITE AND VERY EXCITED
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September 13, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
Hi, so I was playing a 100K bitc bet and I wanted to cashout early. But once I hit on cashout the thing got stuck at 1.16X and the line just kept on moving up till something like 1.7X and it  crashed.. please refund me 0.116 btc to my account zody because the client server got stuck, everything was fine at my part.

http://imgur.com/hvPgsgk

Hi Abreezy,

Firstly, as a token of good will -- I've credited your account 0.116 BTC.

The issue you saw is caused when the client doesn't hear from the server in a period of 300ms -- it locks the chart on the last value it saw, until the connection resolves.

However, I would like to make it clear that even in the presence of network issues, I can not keep offering rebates -- as if you look at it from my perspective, I actually don't make money in these cases. There are three possibilities:

a) The connection resumes, and the 'cash out' button you no doubt spammed gets sent to the server.
b) The server detects you disconnects and cashes you out
c) You stay in the game, the game continues until crash or max-payout (in this case it would've been 10x)

In all three cases, you are just effectively increasing your risk and reward -- your EV stays more or less the same [2], it's not a source of money for me when network issues slow down (or even prevent!) cash outs




[1] Technically it goes slightly down as the house margin approaches 1%
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September 13, 2014, 01:23:21 PM
I doubt that because ones it crashed then my connection was automaticly resolved. Please return my BTC. Thanks.....
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September 13, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
Hi, so I was playing a 100K bitc bet and I wanted to cashout early. But once I hit on cashout the thing got stuck at 1.16X and the line just kept on moving up till something like 1.7X and it  crashed.. please refund me 0.116 btc to my account zody because the client server got stuck, everything was fine at my part.

http://imgur.com/hvPgsgk

yes i've a similiar problem like this
i bet 10.000 bit, then i press cash out immediately
But it won't
it keep going until it crash

I lose it all  Cry
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