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libertynow

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Quote from: RHavar on November 21, 2017, 04:15:00 PM

I guess the summary is there are two types of bustabit players:
a) Those who play casually and against the house (and generally are bonus oblivious)
b) Those who play competitively for bonuses

libertynow with his bonus bot obviously belong to group b) and greatly benefits from playing against people in group a) (to their detriment).

I think it's the fairest approach to try separate these groups of players, I'm just trying to find the smoothest way to do it. One thing I'm experimenting now with is a special PvP variant of bustabit with high bonuses, starting from 0.9x and being 0% house edge. And to limit the unbounded risk of offering a 0% house edge game, if the net profit is < 0, there will be a small rake. (e.g. if the game loses 20 BTC, there will be a 0.1% rake, or 100 BTC and a 1% rake etc. )

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Anyway, nothing is going to be happening soon. So no need to panic. Just playing around with stuff to do my best to make everyone happy Grin

How would you make money and thus be able to continue supporting the game if there is 0% rake?

DarkDays

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Quote from: RHavar on November 21, 2017, 04:15:00 PM

One thing I'm experimenting now with is a special PvP variant of bustabit with high bonuses, starting from 0.9x and being 0% house edge. And to limit the unbounded risk of offering a 0% house edge game, if the net profit is < 0, there will be a small rake. (e.g. if the game loses 20 BTC, there will be a 0.1% rake, or 100 BTC and a 1% rake etc. )

Oh, I'd play this. Taking away the house edge makes it a completely different game, one where skilled players can still gain an edge since it's purely p2p.

It all depends on the rake structure, though. It's a little confusing when/how you are planning on implementing the rake. I feel like there's probably a way to run the game where everyone "buys in" and you take a small rake off the top, but I'm unsure if many people would be interested in playing that sort of variant.

RHavar

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I guess the summary is there are two types of bustabit players:
a) Those who play casually and against the house (and generally are bonus oblivious)
b) Those who play competitively for bonuses

libertynow with his bonus bot obviously belong to group b) and greatly benefits from playing against people in group a) (to their detriment).

I think it's the fairest approach to try separate these groups of players, I'm just trying to find the smoothest way to do it. One thing I'm experimenting now with is a special PvP variant of bustabit with high bonuses, starting from 0.9x and being 0% house edge. And to limit the unbounded risk of offering a 0% house edge game, if the net profit is < 0, there will be a small rake. (e.g. if the game loses 20 BTC, there will be a 0.1% rake, or 100 BTC and a 1% rake etc. )

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Anyway, nothing is going to be happening soon. So no need to panic. Just playing around with stuff to do my best to make everyone happy Grin

DarkDays

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Quote from: actmyname on November 21, 2017, 11:56:29 AM

Quote from: libertynow on November 21, 2017, 11:49:15 AM

Exactly. If the entire game is competitive people then it'll be dead. There will be no way for it to be profitable and thus the bonus hunters wouldn't play.

Let's stop right there! If bonus hunters don't play, then is it not profitable again? Wink

This may be akin to stating, "it's a terrible move to bluff on the river: you shouldn't shove with nothing," yet if we keep that ideology, then it suddenly becomes a +ev move. If it's always terrible to bluff on the river and nobody does it, then would it not be profitable to do so? Your opponents would never think that you were bluffing!

But in correspondence with bustabit, this will simply result in a sort of oscillation in the number of players.

No, in keeping with the poker analogy, the bonus game would be filled with people playing GTO. You need a significant edge from the bonus to counteract the house edge on every game. If the game is only running with people who are playing "correctly", you won't be able to get that edge enough to outrun the house edge.

actmyname

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Spear the bees

Quote from: libertynow on November 21, 2017, 12:08:31 PM

Sounds like you don't understand how bustabit works....

Okay. If you want to explain what I'm missing then go ahead.

If you have everyone playing to be competitive then it shifts between +ev and -ev because of the bonus & people dropping out/in. I'm not sure what's wrong with that idea.

I mean, you will most likely get a ton of people never cashing out but you can also consider the main issue with that strategy: a finite bankroll

libertynow

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Quote from: actmyname on November 21, 2017, 11:56:29 AM

Quote from: libertynow on November 21, 2017, 11:49:15 AM

Exactly. If the entire game is competitive people then it'll be dead. There will be no way for it to be profitable and thus the bonus hunters wouldn't play.

Let's stop right there! If bonus hunters don't play, then is it not profitable again? Wink

This may be akin to stating, "it's a terrible move to bluff on the river: you shouldn't shove with nothing," yet if we keep that ideology, then it suddenly becomes a +ev move. If it's always terrible to bluff on the river and nobody does it, then would it not be profitable to do so? Your opponents would never think that you were bluffing!

But in correspondence with bustabit, this will simply result in a sort of oscillation in the number of players.

Sounds like you don't understand how bustabit works....

actmyname

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Spear the bees

Quote from: libertynow on November 21, 2017, 11:49:15 AM

Exactly. If the entire game is competitive people then it'll be dead. There will be no way for it to be profitable and thus the bonus hunters wouldn't play.

Let's stop right there! If bonus hunters don't play, then is it not profitable again? Wink

This may be akin to stating, "it's a terrible move to bluff on the river: you shouldn't shove with nothing," yet if we keep that ideology, then it suddenly becomes a +ev move. If it's always terrible to bluff on the river and nobody does it, then would it not be profitable to do so? Your opponents would never think that you were bluffing!

But in correspondence with bustabit, this will simply result in a sort of oscillation in the number of players.

libertynow

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Quote from: DarkDays on November 17, 2017, 06:15:04 PM

Quote from: RHavar on November 17, 2017, 05:15:01 PM

Yeah, the plan is always been to create two different versions of the game. One for people who like the pvp competitive part, and one for people who don't. But I have no problem changing depending on what people prefer and how they play =)

For the record, I hate the idea of splitting the player base since the great aspect of the game is that the people who grind the bonus% can gain an edge from the people who don't care about the bonus%. By splitting it up, it seems like the only people playing the bonus game will be the ones who are actually competitive for the bonus which will essentially kill the game.

But I mean, I get it. By eliminating the bonus aspect, you'll attract a clientele who aims for higher bust numbers, which have higher house edges.

Exactly. If the entire game is competitive people then it'll be dead. There will be no way for it to be profitable and thus the bonus hunters wouldn't play. This new version effectively kills the entire game.

The good news is that other websites are putting up the same bustabit version and keeping the bonus so there are potentially other places to play. It's hard to beat Ryan's trustworthiness though. That takes time...

akamit

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Quote from: RHavar on November 17, 2017, 06:09:35 PM

Quote from: akamit on November 17, 2017, 06:07:41 PM

Btw, Is Bustabit releasing their new version? When? Can someone link me to the post? Feeling lazy tonight to search all the pages back. Sorry for the trouble.

No release date, but there's a demo here:

https://dev.bustabit.com

But it's pretty broken right now, upgraded the version of react and half the things broke, and haven't had the time to fix them Cheesy

Thanks for the link.
No extra games are coming into the new version, except the BE THE BANKROLL?

What do you think to add some extra games also, like lottery, jackpot to the table.
I think it will attract more players than before. Though it is just my opinion, you know better than me.

As the new version will offer bonus then it is most probable that all the players will join the new version and most probably the older version will be out of players.
So its unnecessary to keep the older version, or maybe you have more deep reasons to keep the both.

DarkDays

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Quote from: RHavar on November 17, 2017, 05:15:01 PM

Yeah, the plan is always been to create two different versions of the game. One for people who like the pvp competitive part, and one for people who don't. But I have no problem changing depending on what people prefer and how they play =)

For the record, I hate the idea of splitting the player base since the great aspect of the game is that the people who grind the bonus% can gain an edge from the people who don't care about the bonus%. By splitting it up, it seems like the only people playing the bonus game will be the ones who are actually competitive for the bonus which will essentially kill the game.

But I mean, I get it. By eliminating the bonus aspect, you'll attract a clientele who aims for higher bust numbers, which have higher house edges.

RHavar

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Quote from: akamit on November 17, 2017, 06:07:41 PM

Btw, Is Bustabit releasing their new version? When? Can someone link me to the post? Feeling lazy tonight to search all the pages back. Sorry for the trouble.

No release date, but there's a demo here:

https://dev.bustabit.com

But it's pretty broken right now, upgraded the version of react and half the things broke, and haven't had the time to fix them Cheesy

akamit

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Quote from: DarkDays on November 17, 2017, 04:49:20 PM

Quote from: libertynow on November 17, 2017, 01:45:12 PM

Quote from: BlockEye on November 02, 2017, 08:46:15 PM

What is new on the next version of bustabit except for busting up my money? Grin

It's been a year since the last time I play this game which resulted to lose half of my asset that time.
Are there any cool features just like a rebate for the loss that you had and bonuses? I might be interested in this game again. I will keep an eye for this update, I hope that you will bring something cool on the site. Goodluck

With all due respect to everything Ryan has accomplished with Bustabit, the new site completely SUCKS. Removing the bonus competition of the game just turns it into a money raking casino slot machine. Maybe we can BustaBit fork. :-)

I've been playing on Busta for 2.5 years now and I agree the "new" Busta doesn't sound very appealing to me. The bonus structure is the best part of the game and is what makes it not only actually profitable but really fun too.

But, at this point, I think Ryan has earned our trust and respect. I'll give the new game a try when it comes out and give my honest feedback. If it's just another dice-based clone with a 1% house edge I doubt I'll give it much action, if any, but nobody can say that it won't be run honestly and ethically. And I'm sure people will vote with their wallets, if enough people dislike it, I'd imagine the game will go back to how it is.

Once I was a regular player of Bustabit. I really loved Bustabit than other games.
Unfortunately I lost all and never get a chance to play again at there. But I hope I will come back again with big bankroll.

Btw, Is Bustabit releasing their new version? When? Can someone link me to the post? Feeling lazy tonight to search all the pages back. Sorry for the trouble.

RHavar

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Thanks DarkDays!

Yeah, the plan is always been to create two different versions of the game. One for people who like the pvp competitive part, and one for people who don't. But I have no problem changing depending on what people prefer and how they play =)

And I'd also like to apologize about the real lack of progress made in the last few weeks. I pretty much sold or gave away anything of mine that doesn't fit in a suitcase, and been trying the whole digital nomad thingy. I've had a lot less time than I would like, and that has gone to just keeping everything running smoothly and answering support as fast as I can =)

But I'm going to make a big effort to have more uninterrupted hours, so I can really start pushing ahead again with the actual progress Grin

DarkDays

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Quote from: libertynow on November 17, 2017, 01:45:12 PM

Quote from: BlockEye on November 02, 2017, 08:46:15 PM

What is new on the next version of bustabit except for busting up my money? Grin

It's been a year since the last time I play this game which resulted to lose half of my asset that time.
Are there any cool features just like a rebate for the loss that you had and bonuses? I might be interested in this game again. I will keep an eye for this update, I hope that you will bring something cool on the site. Goodluck

With all due respect to everything Ryan has accomplished with Bustabit, the new site completely SUCKS. Removing the bonus competition of the game just turns it into a money raking casino slot machine. Maybe we can BustaBit fork. :-)

I've been playing on Busta for 2.5 years now and I agree the "new" Busta doesn't sound very appealing to me. The bonus structure is the best part of the game and is what makes it not only actually profitable but really fun too.

But, at this point, I think Ryan has earned our trust and respect. I'll give the new game a try when it comes out and give my honest feedback. If it's just another dice-based clone with a 1% house edge I doubt I'll give it much action, if any, but nobody can say that it won't be run honestly and ethically. And I'm sure people will vote with their wallets, if enough people dislike it, I'd imagine the game will go back to how it is.

libertynow

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Quote from: BlockEye on November 02, 2017, 08:46:15 PM

What is new on the next version of bustabit except for busting up my money? Grin

It's been a year since the last time I play this game which resulted to lose half of my asset that time.
Are there any cool features just like a rebate for the loss that you had and bonuses? I might be interested in this game again. I will keep an eye for this update, I hope that you will bring something cool on the site. Goodluck

With all due respect to everything Ryan has accomplished with Bustabit, the new site completely SUCKS. Removing the bonus competition of the game just turns it into a money raking casino slot machine. Maybe we can BustaBit fork. :-)

RHavar

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Ok, withdrawal fee has been lowered from 1000 to 600 bits -- as the bitcoin backlog is clearing out. We're low balling the fees at the moment, but I don't think it's really going to be an issue if you don't mind missing 1 or 2 blocks.

dogevisitor

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Quote from: Caladonian on November 12, 2017, 05:57:42 AM

Quote from: RHavar on November 12, 2017, 05:41:19 AM

Due to the wtf mess with bitcoin right now, I've increased withdrawal fees to 1000 bits. This is a temporary measure until the situation normalizes (probably <24h) when fees will be reduced again. I'd recommend people just avoid transacting on bitcoin unless it's urgent as it's going to be quite painful Grin

wow.. but understandable since there's really big issue transacting with btc and confirmation might take for some time, will be waiting for any updates regarding to this mate, better now to enjoy and play for some bits tried some luck for a while.

I feel like confirmation times have come down significantly generally speaking recently. Last 24 hours obviously are kind of fu****, but a lot of stuff happened this week lol

Caladonian

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Quote from: RHavar on November 12, 2017, 05:41:19 AM

Due to the wtf mess with bitcoin right now, I've increased withdrawal fees to 1000 bits. This is a temporary measure until the situation normalizes (probably <24h) when fees will be reduced again. I'd recommend people just avoid transacting on bitcoin unless it's urgent as it's going to be quite painful Grin

wow.. but understandable since there's really big issue transacting with btc and confirmation might take for some time, will be waiting for any updates regarding to this mate, better now to enjoy and play for some bits tried some luck for a while.

RHavar

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Due to the wtf mess with bitcoin right now, I've increased withdrawal fees to 1000 bits. This is a temporary measure until the situation normalizes (probably <24h) when fees will be reduced again. I'd recommend people just avoid transacting on bitcoin unless it's urgent as it's going to be quite painful Grin

devans

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Quote from: tirthraj on November 06, 2017, 09:50:12 AM

with how many cryptocurrency i can play with.
is there any free faucet or i have to deposit first .

bustabit supports Bitcoin only. Currently it doesn't have a faucet, so you'll need to deposit in order to play.

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