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Topic: Butterfly Labs - Bitforce Single and Mini Rig Box - page 32. (Read 186944 times)

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I'll have to snip the leads to the bottom fan
For simplicity in testing, I'd recommend just taping down the fan blade to keep it from spinning, or another low-tech method of restriction (a piece of chewed gum?).  If you get some thermal throttling, it's easy to make it spin again.

I would advise against that - a stuck motor can draw a multiple of the wattage that it normally draws, and thus overheat, even burn out.

Well, a piece of paper across the air intake should do the trick for testing, but I generally advise against trusting in any kind of thermal shutdown, especially if the unit is known to not have on-die temperature sensors and just measure the board/air/case temperature.
The singles do have on-die temp sensors, and they can be read with cgminer.

How can one read those? The usual "read temperature" command only returns one value that seems to be a board temperature, and that's the only command mentioned by the "specification".
I don't have a BFL myself, so I can't test this, but I'd be very interested in the commands for die temperature reading. Might be a useful addition to MPBM.
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Actually I was curious about the cable length.  Smiley   
So you had less than 2% voltage drop on it but it couldn't handle what around 6.5 Amps.  Was it poor quality wire?

18AWG should be good for twice than length or more.
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Seemed like a strange coincidence to me. Especially since it's a related technical sector and it closed its doors around the time that BFL appeared.
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Pretty sure the logo is a stock clipart logo, so it's in use in a number of places in one form or another I'd imagine.
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Is it just me or does this logo look pretty close to BFL's. This venture also stopped in Mar 2011... interesting.
http://asynclabs.com/
You might be interested in the 2 old BFL threads that are now locked. That similarity was discovered months ago, but doesn't seem to be relevant.
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Is it just me or does this logo look pretty close to BFL's. This venture also stopped in Mar 2011... interesting.
http://asynclabs.com/
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I'm not sure, I didn't notice the burnt connectors at first - but no more than a couple days.

rjk
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6" or 8" or so? 
I think he meant "how much time did it take before something went poof".
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6" or 8" or so? 
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Incidentally, I can also authoritatively say that 20ga wire will melt if you try to run a BFL on it.



How long was the run? <3'?
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Incidentally, I can also authoritatively say that 20ga wire will melt if you try to run a BFL on it.


Possibly the best post in this thread.
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Incidentally, I can also authoritatively say that 20ga wire will melt if you try to run a BFL on it.

rjk
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Yeah, I will try on both 120v and 240v and see if there's a difference.  Though wouldn't the PSU mask that difference?  I guess I can measure at the all, too... although I will have to do some rewiring to measure 120v at the wall.
Ah I forgot that you were measuring DC. Yeah, it would only make a difference at the PSU on the AC side.
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Yeah, I will try on both 120v and 240v and see if there's a difference.  Though wouldn't the PSU mask that difference?  I guess I can measure at the wall, too... although I will have to do some rewiring to measure 120v at the wall.

I was just going to measure the DC current between the PSU and BFL
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I have my wires broken out, I can measure a Rev3 unit with a clamp meter tonight for actual board draw.

Can you try it on 240v too?
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I have my wires broken out, I can measure a Rev3 unit with a clamp meter tonight for actual board draw.
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The one with accurat result (i hope) is: GA - Typ: EMT707CTL
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4958462989369500&id=39a7bfdbc842d5d8a9106fb631010b4e
I read in internet, this one have bad measurment with low load (<20Watt), bud ok with mutch load.
Yeah, that's usually the case.
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I just see, that " kill a watt" is an brand. So i use not this!! I use one from "Brennstuhl".
I will buy an other one today with different brand for have an second measurment.

I just check the rig after 7h mining: still 930Watt. Single temperatur betwen 52°C and 63°C!

Better would be to buy an ammeter and measure the DC current at the board level. Apparently these kill-a-watt devices can get very confused with inductive loads (like a switching power supply).
You are absolutly right!!!
Looks like "this midle price" kill a watt devices have BIG- problem with iductive loads!!

I connect my new "cheap" devices and it shows:

1 host PC + GPU mining: 180W (old 180W)
1 host PC + GPU + 15 Singles idle: 418W (old 412W)
1 host PC + GPU + 15 Singles mining: 1370W (old 920W)
This give 1190W for 15 Singles = 79.33W/Single

Mystery solved!
Means: more expensive german-tools are not allways better!

Sorry for the revolt!!!

Can you post a picture of this device ? If my power meter is wrong then I am Cheesy

Which one are you using to get the bad results ? Thanks !

The one with bad results is: Brennenstuhl - Typ: PM230

The one with accurat result (i hope) is: GA - Typ: EMT707CTL

I read in internet, this one have bad measurment with low load (<20Watt), bud ok with mutch load.
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I just see, that " kill a watt" is an brand. So i use not this!! I use one from "Brennstuhl".
I will buy an other one today with different brand for have an second measurment.

I just check the rig after 7h mining: still 930Watt. Single temperatur betwen 52°C and 63°C!

Better would be to buy an ammeter and measure the DC current at the board level. Apparently these kill-a-watt devices can get very confused with inductive loads (like a switching power supply).
You are absolutly right!!!
Looks like "this midle price" kill a watt devices have BIG- problem with iductive loads!!

I connect my new "cheap" devices and it shows:

1 host PC + GPU mining: 180W (old 180W)
1 host PC + GPU + 15 Singles idle: 418W (old 412W)
1 host PC + GPU + 15 Singles mining: 1370W (old 920W)
This give 1190W for 15 Singles = 79.33W/Single

Mystery solved!
Means: more expensive german-tools are not allways better!

Sorry for the revolt!!!

Can you post a picture of this device ? If my power meter is wrong then I am Cheesy

I believe I have 3 of them like this :



Which one are you using to get the bad results ? Thanks !
hero member
Activity: 871
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I just see, that " kill a watt" is an brand. So i use not this!! I use one from "Brennstuhl".
I will buy an other one today with different brand for have an second measurment.

I just check the rig after 7h mining: still 930Watt. Single temperatur betwen 52°C and 63°C!

Better would be to buy an ammeter and measure the DC current at the board level. Apparently these kill-a-watt devices can get very confused with inductive loads (like a switching power supply).
You are absolutly right!!!
Looks like "this midle price" kill a watt devices have BIG- problem with iductive loads!!

I connect my new "cheap" devices and it shows:

1 host PC + GPU mining: 180W (old 180W)
1 host PC + GPU + 15 Singles idle: 418W (old 412W)
1 host PC + GPU + 15 Singles mining: 1370W (old 920W)
This give 1190W for 15 Singles = 79.33W/Single

Mystery solved!
Means: more expensive german-tools are not allways better!

Sorry for the revolt!!!
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