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Topic: Butterfly Labs - Bitforce Single and Mini Rig Box - page 42. (Read 186929 times)

legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
I just received three rev. 3 Singles yesterday and have unpacked and installed one of them, and the bottom fan is back!
No, it's not a rev. 2 single, it has the new heat pipe-based heat sink inside, but the weird bottom fan is back now!   Shocked
(I haven't taken a look at the other two Singles yet.)
I think some earlier pics showed the small copper colored one still on the bottom, behind a grille - do you mean that one, or do you mean the full sized big black fan protruding from the bottom?
I mean the black protruding one. I'm not kidding.
WTF ? Why did they do this ?
As our friend Forrest Gump might be inclined to point out, BFL Single shipments are like a box of chocolates: you never know what you will find.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as it shows up and has 800+ MH/s at 80 watts I'm happy as can be. All mine have the older heatsink and .... 3 fans. They churn away happily. No problems whatsoever. They are lonely though. They want more friends to play with. Wink
Yeah, I never understood why people make such a big deal about a bottom fan or not.  Makes zero difference to me.  In fact, I might prefer one WITH a fan so it would run cooler regardless of which heatsink it is using.
vip
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
AKA: gigavps
I just received three rev. 3 Singles yesterday and have unpacked and installed one of them, and the bottom fan is back!
No, it's not a rev. 2 single, it has the new heat pipe-based heat sink inside, but the weird bottom fan is back now!   Shocked
(I haven't taken a look at the other two Singles yet.)

If this makes anyone unhappy, I will happily send you $630 in BTC and you can ship them on to me.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as it shows up and has 800+ MH/s at 80 watts I'm happy as can be. All mine have the older heatsink and .... 3 fans. They churn away happily. No problems whatsoever. They are lonely though. They want more friends to play with. Wink

EXACTLY. Sounds like someone has a level head about these things.
sr. member
Activity: 446
Merit: 250
I just received three rev. 3 Singles yesterday and have unpacked and installed one of them, and the bottom fan is back!
No, it's not a rev. 2 single, it has the new heat pipe-based heat sink inside, but the weird bottom fan is back now!   Shocked
(I haven't taken a look at the other two Singles yet.)
I think some earlier pics showed the small copper colored one still on the bottom, behind a grille - do you mean that one, or do you mean the full sized big black fan protruding from the bottom?
I mean the black protruding one. I'm not kidding.
WTF ? Why did they do this ?
As our friend Forrest Gump might be inclined to point out, BFL Single shipments are like a box of chocolates: you never know what you will find.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as it shows up and has 800+ MH/s at 80 watts I'm happy as can be. All mine have the older heatsink and .... 3 fans. They churn away happily. No problems whatsoever. They are lonely though. They want more friends to play with. Wink
BFL
full member
Activity: 217
Merit: 100
Silicon is an organic process giving each chip it's own personality.  In the case of the singles, their operational heat signature is slightly different from unit to unit.  As we test them, we may place a fan under some units to increase it's thermal range.  You can take the fan off if you like.

I should also point out that faster firmware (when released) will perform more reliably in cooler environments.  
legendary
Activity: 922
Merit: 1003
I just received three rev. 3 Singles yesterday and have unpacked and installed one of them, and the bottom fan is back!
No, it's not a rev. 2 single, it has the new heat pipe-based heat sink inside, but the weird bottom fan is back now!   Shocked
(I haven't taken a look at the other two Singles yet.)
I think some earlier pics showed the small copper colored one still on the bottom, behind a grille - do you mean that one, or do you mean the full sized big black fan protruding from the bottom?
I mean the black protruding one. I'm not kidding.
WTF ? Why did they do this ?
As our friend Forrest Gump might be inclined to point out, BFL Single shipments are like a box of chocolates: you never know what you will find.
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1000
BitMinter
I just received three rev. 3 Singles yesterday and have unpacked and installed one of them, and the bottom fan is back!
No, it's not a rev. 2 single, it has the new heat pipe-based heat sink inside, but the weird bottom fan is back now!   Shocked
(I haven't taken a look at the other two Singles yet.)
I think some earlier pics showed the small copper colored one still on the bottom, behind a grille - do you mean that one, or do you mean the full sized big black fan protruding from the bottom?

I mean the black protruding one. I'm not kidding.

WTF ? Why did they do this ?
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
I just received three rev. 3 Singles yesterday and have unpacked and installed one of them, and the bottom fan is back!
No, it's not a rev. 2 single, it has the new heat pipe-based heat sink inside, but the weird bottom fan is back now!   Shocked
(I haven't taken a look at the other two Singles yet.)
I think some earlier pics showed the small copper colored one still on the bottom, behind a grille - do you mean that one, or do you mean the full sized big black fan protruding from the bottom?

I mean the black protruding one. I'm not kidding.
rjk
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
1ngldh
I just received three rev. 3 Singles yesterday and have unpacked and installed one of them, and the bottom fan is back!
No, it's not a rev. 2 single, it has the new heat pipe-based heat sink inside, but the weird bottom fan is back now!   Shocked
(I haven't taken a look at the other two Singles yet.)
I think some earlier pics showed the small copper colored one still on the bottom, behind a grille - do you mean that one, or do you mean the full sized big black fan protruding from the bottom?
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
I just received three rev. 3 Singles yesterday and have unpacked and installed one of them, and the bottom fan is back!
No, it's not a rev. 2 single, it has the new heat pipe-based heat sink inside, but the weird bottom fan is back now!   Shocked
(I haven't taken a look at the other two Singles yet.)
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Just for interest sake regarding lots of USB devices ... with Icarus:
A 41 device setup: (edit: sorry that's 31, but he has 41 now)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.815296

And Ngzhang testing 40 before shipping:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.808765
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
FPGA Mining LLC
Does the Single need a powered USB hub? If not, is there a limit of the number of unpowered devices that can be hooked up to a single USB port on the motherboard?
No, it has an external power brick. But a powered hub often tends to be higher quality anyway, and you might not be able to get an unpowered version with a large number of ports. The limit is 100 BFL Singles per system. The USB limit is 128, including the hubs themselves.

Actually it's 127, not 128, and hubs with more than four ports are often two cascaded 4 port hubs internally. The tree may only be 8 hops (including those "internal" hubs and the device) deep.

A port of a USB host, or a self-powered (as in has a power brick, not powered by the bus) hub, can deliver up to 500mA, if the specs are met. (Some cheap self-powered hubs actually can't provide that on all ports at the same time, but usually they at least claim to.)
Each hub will allocate 100mA for itself, and each port needs to be allocated a minimum of 100mA in order to detect devices.
So in theory, you can't cascade bus-powered hubs by definition. However in many cases these constraints are completely ignored by manufacturers, allowing some combinations to work that should not be allowed in theory.

All of the currently available FPGA boards should only draw a maximum of 100mA, so they should be happy on every USB port, given the obvious constraints are met:
  • Maximum of 127 devices total per bus, counting hubs as well, including internally cascaded hubs
  • Cascade hubs at maximum 7 levels deep, also counting internally cascaded hubs
  • Only the last level of hubs (with no more than 4 ports each) may be bus-powered

Be aware that there might already be some hubs internally to your PC between the "root ports" and the actual ports on the PC's case, and that multiple USB "root ports" might be sharing the same bus and thus 127 device limit. Things like internal card readers, wifi/usb dongles, ... might also take away addresses.
donator
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1079
Gerald Davis
Does the Single need a powered USB hub? If not, is there a limit of the number of unpowered devices that can be hooked up to a single USB port on the motherboard?
No, it has an external power brick. But a powered hub often tends to be higher quality anyway, and you might not be able to get an unpowered version with a large number of ports. The limit is 100 BFL Singles per system. The USB limit is 128, including the hubs themselves.

To expand on that.

The USB spec also limits unpowered hubs (technically the term is bus powered because all hubs need power from somewhere) to 4 downstream devices.  This is because there is a limit on how much power a USB port can provide.  USB port need to be able to safely provide 500ma.  The spec limits bus powered devices to 100ma ea.  Since the hub also needs some power that means 1 hub + 4 full load bus powered devices can be safely powered from a single port.  

While BFL Singles aren't bus powered the spec limits the # of ports for bus powered hubs since self powered and bus powered devices are interchangeable.  There are likely non-compliant bus powered hubs with more ports but given the low cost of powered hubs and very high cost of BFL Singles taking that risk to save a single power cord seems ... foolish.
rjk
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
1ngldh
Does the Single need a powered USB hub? If not, is there a limit of the number of unpowered devices that can be hooked up to a single USB port on the motherboard?
No, it has an external power brick. But a powered hub often tends to be higher quality anyway, and you might not be able to get an unpowered version with a large number of ports. The limit is 100 BFL Singles per system. The USB limit is 128, including the hubs themselves.
hero member
Activity: 481
Merit: 500
Does the Single need a powered USB hub? If not, is there a limit of the number of unpowered devices that can be hooked up to a single USB port on the motherboard?
vip
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
AKA: gigavps
We can't all be so lucky to have half of the BFL's Singles that are available on our bottom shelves  Tongue

What you call luck I call due diligence and intestinal fortitude. :p
hero member
Activity: 697
Merit: 500
Or don't run your single in your bedroom. You should be building a shrine somewhere instead. The more Singles the better.

It's called the bottom shelf. Wink

We can't all be so lucky to have half of the BFL's Singles that are available on our bottom shelves  Tongue
vip
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
AKA: gigavps
Or don't run Singles in your bedroom. Get some gigamining bonds instead. Right, gigavps?  Wink

The singles are all mine!

Gigamining is for the mini rigs boxes.
legendary
Activity: 922
Merit: 1003
Or don't run your single in your bedroom. You should be building a shrine somewhere instead. The more Singles the better.
Or don't run Singles in your bedroom. Get some gigamining bonds instead. Right, gigavps?  Wink
rjk
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
1ngldh
Or don't run your single in your bedroom. You should be building a shrine somewhere instead. The more Singles the better.
lol
vip
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
AKA: gigavps
Or don't run your single in your bedroom. You should be building a shrine somewhere instead. The more Singles the better.

It's called the bottom shelf. Wink
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