Topic: Butterfly Labs Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders - page 21. (Read 59168 times)
May 26, 2013, 12:10:39 AM
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May 26, 2013, 12:01:12 AM
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I am afraid you are incorrect. Contracts of sale cannot be unilaterally cancelled unless the contract explicitly allows for doing so.
Actually, legally all people who've pre-ordered should have had all their moneys returned after X days, as proven by a many members on this forum.
May 25, 2013, 11:57:59 PM
What type of person raised, and provided for, by a step-dad who earned an honest living and sends him to college upon leaving the nest, to only quit college to travel the world, eventually ending up at his real dad's Laissez Faire City pad, joining forces with him in amassing loot from the unexpected, then later in life returns to the nest, vowing that he's changed his ways, but shows all the signs that he hasn't?
Worse yet, what type of people would work for such a man given, or previously knowing his track record?
What type of people would order product, then refuse to cancel their pre-orders once the facts are presented?
What type of person defends their lack of action by stating that they've known the risk, and others shouldn't be telling others that investing in BFL is unwise.
I'm glad I'm not one of them people.
Worse yet, what type of people would work for such a man given, or previously knowing his track record?
What type of people would order product, then refuse to cancel their pre-orders once the facts are presented?
What type of person defends their lack of action by stating that they've known the risk, and others shouldn't be telling others that investing in BFL is unwise.
I'm glad I'm not one of them people.
May 25, 2013, 11:51:07 PM
What about small claims court?
Exactly what damage would he be able to claim? Anyone is able to cancel a sales contract at will unless the contract actually has terms that prevent it. There simply isn't a case here. Only if the seller had kept the money and the product... then there would be damage to be claimed. With a forced refund there's literally no case.
I am afraid you are incorrect. Contracts of sale cannot be unilaterally cancelled unless the contract explicitly allows for doing so.
Just imagine that we agree today that I would deliver you 10 bushels of wheat in 3 months for a given price. If 2 months later the price goes up, I cannot unilaterally cancel the contract and give you a refund.
As for damages, one can calculate the earning capabilities of the item that was ordered, and one can seek compensation for a reasonable period (few years) of use. It would be several thousand dollars at the very least.
May 25, 2013, 11:46:03 PM
You are quite right, but one thing: A seller cannot cancel a contract of sale unilaterally. Such an action has very serious legal consequences, and if the reason for doing so is malicious (i.e., to retaliate for negative comments made on a forum), then I could easily see punitive damages being awarded in top of compensatory ones.
Hopefully the FTC and Missouri AG see it that way as well.
What about small claims court?
Exactly what damage would he be able to claim? Anyone is able to cancel a sales contract at will unless the contract actually has terms that prevent it. There simply isn't a case here. Only if the seller had kept the money and the product... then there would be damage to be claimed. With a forced refund there's literally no case.
May 25, 2013, 11:32:32 PM
You are quite right, but one thing: A seller cannot cancel a contract of sale unilaterally. Such an action has very serious legal consequences, and if the reason for doing so is malicious (i.e., to retaliate for negative comments made on a forum), then I could easily see punitive damages being awarded in top of compensatory ones.
Hopefully the FTC and Missouri AG see it that way as well.Not sure it's worth the hassle. Just glad to be done with Butterfly Labs as a customer to be honest. Will support other companies in Bitcoinia instead.
May 25, 2013, 11:15:24 PM
You are quite right, but one thing: A seller cannot cancel a contract of sale unilaterally. Such an action has very serious legal consequences, and if the reason for doing so is malicious (i.e., to retaliate for negative comments made on a forum), then I could easily see punitive damages being awarded in top of compensatory ones.
Hopefully the FTC and Missouri AG see it that way as well.
What about small claims court?
May 25, 2013, 10:52:58 PM
You are quite right, but one thing: A seller cannot cancel a contract of sale unilaterally. Such an action has very serious legal consequences, and if the reason for doing so is malicious (i.e., to retaliate for negative comments made on a forum), then I could easily see punitive damages being awarded in top of compensatory ones.
Hopefully the FTC and Missouri AG see it that way as well.
May 25, 2013, 10:42:59 PM
Wait a minute here... I am reprehensible for standing up for myself getting absolutely terrible treatment as an initial preorder customer over the last 11 months ? For enduring their COO acting completely unprofessionally on these forums and calling him on his behavior ?
I am sorry that you have such low self esteem and say "Why yes please, I would like some more un-lubed sodomy at the hands of Butterfly Labs for not being able to accurately state when my preorder will ship after waiting for 11 months of one broken promise after another."
Some of us have less tolerance for prolonged bullshit and fight for ourselves when we feel wronged.
I need to most strenuously disagree with your evaluation and you should feel ashamed that you are willing to be taken advantage of.
I am sorry that you have such low self esteem and say "Why yes please, I would like some more un-lubed sodomy at the hands of Butterfly Labs for not being able to accurately state when my preorder will ship after waiting for 11 months of one broken promise after another."
Some of us have less tolerance for prolonged bullshit and fight for ourselves when we feel wronged.
I need to most strenuously disagree with your evaluation and you should feel ashamed that you are willing to be taken advantage of.
And here you are perpetuating the same behaviour that got you here and seeking validation ... keep on truckin big boy the hole only gets deeper.
For the record
"I do not accept BFL's treatment of there customers"
"I do not accept the continuous lies and fraudulent behavior by BFL"
"I do not accept trying to silence people who have been mistreated by BFL"
What do u stand for again because i am missing your actual point in all of these discussions ??
None of your statements are based on facts. All of them are opinions. That is all.
....yawn... i think these are all facts....
They had a prototype in June/July/August/Sept/Oct ..yeah this is true ...or they finally have a prototype in April 2013
The many documented of you/Josh/Inaba calling his customers cocksuckers/losers the list goes on..I would class that as mistreatment of his customers
Jody holding the I will cancel your orders over peoeples heads if they start to complain..
These are all facts and not opinions ..I understand when u lie so much that all reality starts to blur and this would be hard for u to deal with
See you don't answer the question directly.
If it was facts it would look like this
The Sky is Blue:
No it is Red
I like Cock:
No I prefer Ass
Your Mom is a Man:
No it is my Uncle
See thats how it goes. There is no room for speculation. It is just facts.. See if you can do it .. try ..
I think their treatment/behavior is all on record ...these are what are called facts
Sonnys conviction and time spent in prison for FRAUD is a fact...thats about all I have got for u in regards to this as If you want to continue to try and distort reality .....I cant help you... sorry
I THINK .. see here is the problem .. don't think .. be sure.
Oh josh..ur ability to try and divert from an issue is really getting played out ...why dont your deliver on your commitments or refund everybodys orders
Your days are numbered and also are the mistreatment of your customers or do u guys call them "marks"
I am flattered that you think I am Josh. Thank you.. I am printing this one out for posterity.
You do that ... while you are at the printer why dont you print out every oustanding order and just look at them for a while
I never said I have any orders. Again you assume and project..
May 25, 2013, 10:41:31 PM
There's nothing wrong with discontinuing a toxic business relationship. You have every right to talk all the shit you want. And they have a right to end the business relationship. It's not "censorship" to say, "If you trash our company, we won't do business with you anymore." You're still free to say whatever you want. Their response will be to simply put your money where your mouth is, on your behalf. Don't trust the company? Don't like the company? Think it's a scam? Thinking about suing if you don't get your order next week?
"Fine. Here's your money. Fuck off."
"Fine. Here's your money. Fuck off."
You are quite right, but one thing: A seller cannot cancel a contract of sale unilaterally. Such an action has very serious legal consequences, and if the reason for doing so is malicious (i.e., to retaliate for negative comments made on a forum), then I could easily see punitive damages being awarded in top of compensatory ones.
May 25, 2013, 10:35:17 PM
Look at my account creation date.. you fucking idiot. Just because I decided to call you lot a bunch of names now doesn't mean I am any less worthy. I could easily scream persecution .. but I won't because I am not a fag like Xian.
That's not what it looks like to the rest of us.
So the burden of proof is on me ?
May 25, 2013, 10:19:52 PM
Look at my account creation date.. you fucking idiot. Just because I decided to call you lot a bunch of names now doesn't mean I am any less worthy. I could easily scream persecution .. but I won't because I am not a fag like Xian.
That's not what it looks like to the rest of us.
May 25, 2013, 10:16:06 PM
Sorry Xian, it seems your thread has been taken over by the sockpuppet army. 
Sock puppets.. not real people .. he is the victim.. Okey Dokey.
There are many victims of Sonny Vleisides and his merry band of crooks. BFL is just now managing to ship a few Jalapeno v0.5's to people that ordered in June of 2012, despite the numerous assurance that BFL had honest abe "scheduled shipments" several times over the past 11 months. The lies are too numerous to count.
None of these newbie accounts defending BFL are even old enough to have been created back when BFL's COO Inblahblah was attacking Tom of BTCFPGA for being too vague about his power specs and insisting that BFL's were solid. Specs that were obviously never measured as BFL had zero chips, by their own admission. That, like nearly everything else Josh Zerlan says turned out to not be true. That supposedly solid power spec of 1w/Gh/s was just more fairy dust nonsense designed to suck the life out of BFL's legitimate competition and trap pre-order funds into a constantly evolving pyramid scam of orders.
Tom has a scammer tag for failure to deliver & deceit, Josh's is long long overdue.
Look at my account creation date.. you fucking idiot. Just because I decided to call you lot a bunch of names now doesn't mean I am any less worthy. I could easily scream persecution .. but I won't because I am not a fag like Xian.
May 25, 2013, 10:15:11 PM
Sorry Xian, it seems your thread has been taken over by the sockpuppet army.
Don't worry, it's pretty obvious that's what's going on. They're only whittlng away at what's left of BFL's already horrible reputation. It sure is a shit-show, huh ?
May 25, 2013, 10:08:38 PM
Sorry Xian, it seems your thread has been taken over by the sockpuppet army.
Sock puppets.. not real people .. he is the victim.. Okey Dokey.
There are many victims of Sonny Vleisides and his merry band of crooks. BFL is just now managing to ship a few Jalapeno v0.5's to people that ordered in June of 2012, despite the numerous assurance that BFL had honest abe "scheduled shipments" several times over the past 11 months. The lies are too numerous to count.
None of these newbie accounts defending BFL are even old enough to have been created back when BFL's COO Inblahblah was attacking Tom of BTCFPGA for being too vague about his power specs and insisting that BFL's were solid. Specs that were obviously never measured as BFL had zero chips, by their own admission. That, like nearly everything else Josh Zerlan says turned out to not be true. That supposedly solid power spec of 1w/Gh/s was just more fairy dust nonsense designed to suck the life out of BFL's legitimate competition and trap pre-order funds into a constantly evolving pyramid scam of orders.
Tom has a scammer tag for failure to deliver & deceit, Josh's is long long overdue.
May 25, 2013, 10:05:30 PM
I just got a new Raspberry PI and a PIPLUS I/O board
I am really keen to start programming it ..so I will have to leave u for now
I will be back another day to make sure that BFL are held to account for their actions
I am really keen to start programming it ..so I will have to leave u for now
I will be back another day to make sure that BFL are held to account for their actions
May 25, 2013, 10:01:45 PM
Wait a minute here... I am reprehensible for standing up for myself getting absolutely terrible treatment as an initial preorder customer over the last 11 months ? For enduring their COO acting completely unprofessionally on these forums and calling him on his behavior ?
I am sorry that you have such low self esteem and say "Why yes please, I would like some more un-lubed sodomy at the hands of Butterfly Labs for not being able to accurately state when my preorder will ship after waiting for 11 months of one broken promise after another."
Some of us have less tolerance for prolonged bullshit and fight for ourselves when we feel wronged.
I need to most strenuously disagree with your evaluation and you should feel ashamed that you are willing to be taken advantage of.
I am sorry that you have such low self esteem and say "Why yes please, I would like some more un-lubed sodomy at the hands of Butterfly Labs for not being able to accurately state when my preorder will ship after waiting for 11 months of one broken promise after another."
Some of us have less tolerance for prolonged bullshit and fight for ourselves when we feel wronged.
I need to most strenuously disagree with your evaluation and you should feel ashamed that you are willing to be taken advantage of.
And here you are perpetuating the same behaviour that got you here and seeking validation ... keep on truckin big boy the hole only gets deeper.
For the record
"I do not accept BFL's treatment of there customers"
"I do not accept the continuous lies and fraudulent behavior by BFL"
"I do not accept trying to silence people who have been mistreated by BFL"
What do u stand for again because i am missing your actual point in all of these discussions ??
None of your statements are based on facts. All of them are opinions. That is all.
....yawn... i think these are all facts....
They had a prototype in June/July/August/Sept/Oct ..yeah this is true ...or they finally have a prototype in April 2013
The many documented of you/Josh/Inaba calling his customers cocksuckers/losers the list goes on..I would class that as mistreatment of his customers
Jody holding the I will cancel your orders over peoeples heads if they start to complain..
These are all facts and not opinions ..I understand when u lie so much that all reality starts to blur and this would be hard for u to deal with
See you don't answer the question directly.
If it was facts it would look like this
The Sky is Blue:
No it is Red
I like Cock:
No I prefer Ass
Your Mom is a Man:
No it is my Uncle
See thats how it goes. There is no room for speculation. It is just facts.. See if you can do it .. try ..
I think their treatment/behavior is all on record ...these are what are called facts
Sonnys conviction and time spent in prison for FRAUD is a fact...thats about all I have got for u in regards to this as If you want to continue to try and distort reality .....I cant help you... sorry
I THINK .. see here is the problem .. don't think .. be sure.
Oh josh..ur ability to try and divert from an issue is really getting played out ...why dont your deliver on your commitments or refund everybodys orders
Your days are numbered and also are the mistreatment of your customers or do u guys call them "marks"
I am flattered that you think I am Josh. Thank you.. I am printing this one out for posterity.
You do that ... while you are at the printer why dont you print out every oustanding order and just look at them for a while
May 25, 2013, 09:57:44 PM
Sorry Xian, it seems your thread has been taken over by the sockpuppet army.
Don't worry, it's pretty obvious that's what's going on. They're only whittlng away at what's left of BFL's already horrible reputation.
What has he to worry about exactly ?
Agreed the law allows for a large amount of margin when it comes to ripping pple off and claiming it as an unsuccessful business .. so as long as you and nest of thief's over at Big Fucking Lies dont get tooooooooooo greedy you will be fine
Totally morally corrupt..but u will be fine and living high from the large ripp off executed on this community
So Cheers and great job well done in stealing everybodys money and still staying inside the law and not the inside of a prison cell ..Sonny has taught you well and u have a bright future in the business of FRAUD
May 25, 2013, 09:54:23 PM
Wait a minute here... I am reprehensible for standing up for myself getting absolutely terrible treatment as an initial preorder customer over the last 11 months ? For enduring their COO acting completely unprofessionally on these forums and calling him on his behavior ?
I am sorry that you have such low self esteem and say "Why yes please, I would like some more un-lubed sodomy at the hands of Butterfly Labs for not being able to accurately state when my preorder will ship after waiting for 11 months of one broken promise after another."
Some of us have less tolerance for prolonged bullshit and fight for ourselves when we feel wronged.
I need to most strenuously disagree with your evaluation and you should feel ashamed that you are willing to be taken advantage of.
I am sorry that you have such low self esteem and say "Why yes please, I would like some more un-lubed sodomy at the hands of Butterfly Labs for not being able to accurately state when my preorder will ship after waiting for 11 months of one broken promise after another."
Some of us have less tolerance for prolonged bullshit and fight for ourselves when we feel wronged.
I need to most strenuously disagree with your evaluation and you should feel ashamed that you are willing to be taken advantage of.
And here you are perpetuating the same behaviour that got you here and seeking validation ... keep on truckin big boy the hole only gets deeper.
For the record
"I do not accept BFL's treatment of there customers"
"I do not accept the continuous lies and fraudulent behavior by BFL"
"I do not accept trying to silence people who have been mistreated by BFL"
What do u stand for again because i am missing your actual point in all of these discussions ??
None of your statements are based on facts. All of them are opinions. That is all.
....yawn... i think these are all facts....
They had a prototype in June/July/August/Sept/Oct ..yeah this is true ...or they finally have a prototype in April 2013
The many documented of you/Josh/Inaba calling his customers cocksuckers/losers the list goes on..I would class that as mistreatment of his customers
Jody holding the I will cancel your orders over peoeples heads if they start to complain..
These are all facts and not opinions ..I understand when u lie so much that all reality starts to blur and this would be hard for u to deal with
See you don't answer the question directly.
If it was facts it would look like this
The Sky is Blue:
No it is Red
I like Cock:
No I prefer Ass
Your Mom is a Man:
No it is my Uncle
See thats how it goes. There is no room for speculation. It is just facts.. See if you can do it .. try ..
I think their treatment/behavior is all on record ...these are what are called facts
Sonnys conviction and time spent in prison for FRAUD is a fact...thats about all I have got for u in regards to this as If you want to continue to try and distort reality .....I cant help you... sorry
I THINK .. see here is the problem .. don't think .. be sure.
Oh josh..ur ability to try and divert from an issue is really getting played out ...why dont your deliver on your commitments or refund everybodys orders
Your days are numbered and also are the mistreatment of your customers or do u guys call them "marks"
I am flattered that you think I am Josh. Thank you.. I am printing this one out for posterity.
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