Your argument is pure genius...
I wouldn't quite go that far but it's far better than yours I think...
Topic: Butterfly Labs Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders - page 23. (Read 59178 times)
May 25, 2013, 08:45:27 PM
I wouldn't quite go that far but it's far better than yours I think...
May 25, 2013, 08:41:32 PM
I think that instead of focusing totally on ones self in the "WHATS IN IT FOR ME" gen y mentality ..he chose to bring information and light onto BFL's corrupt business practices
Well, despite your impenetrable choice of words, I gather your comments. He has a right to bring to the community attention, the fact that he feels aggrieved.
SO yes he did himself out of some cash but also helped the comminity as a whole and maybe even stopped BFL from executeing this type of practice on many others to follow
$15k in fact. I doubt he did any of the other things you were trying to say YipYip.
So what have you provided to the community apart from your abuse and trolling others trying to deal with a difficult situation ??
Well, I have done loads actually - for one thing I have answered your post and pointed out to anyone with an ounce of intelligence, that your points in your post are poor at best.
Oh wait just like inaba u will change your alias and continue to hide from who and what u are... go back to the shadows and have a look closely to find whats in it for me mantra...you are a credit to the community and we certainly need more pple like yourself to help mainstream crypto....lol
I do not intend to change my alias. I think the community might actually be better off with less people like you.
Keep denfending the most morally corrupt business I have ever come across in my life....
Keep supporting/enabling these guys and saying your are helping anyone by this behavior...
Just for the record you totally support and endorse BFL business practices up to date ??
Of course not - who would 'totally' endorse *anything* if they had any sense?
But what xian did is reprehensible to the point of beyond belief.
I expect a lot of people on these forums are developers, work in IT etc. We all know about 'target dates'.
If bfl had delivered his asic already, he would be sitting there reveling in his profit keeping his mouth shut.
He must have known it was a gamble to pay cash up front for a 'pre-order' - just like I did. And if bfl fail to deliver and you have bet your life savings on an asic - then you made a really bad choice.
There's plenty of people with plenty of cash who don't mind the gamble. I am sick of people trying to 'protect' me from a bad investment when really they just want to go back to the old days where they got the coins and no-one else did.
What did he do that u find sooooo reprehensible....
He complained about 1 of about 30 missed lies\deadlines and mis-representations made by this company going back nearly 12 months
So u find this abhorrent to you ??
Or you just want to silence him ??
I dont really understand what your point is..or what u are trying to achieve ??
We all get it that he could have made more money ..great or he could tell others of his XP which he has....and for some reason you want to punish him for his choice of recourse...why
Did you come into this thread late?
Reprehensible acts include telling people to FO, making it his purpose in life to slate bfl publicly, over and over and over again. To the point that they made an 'unprecedented' move to force a refund on this one individual - who else do you know here who had a blf order 'force refunded'. Ask yourself why that might be. Read the thread from the beginning.
My point is this:
I am sick of people trying to 'protect' me from a bad investment when really they just want to go back to the old days where they got the coins and no-one else did
I don't want to silence anyone. I am from England where we fight for the rights of people to have their say. That also means I have my right to say xian was a fool.
It is somebody's right as a consumer to complain when they feel they have been badly treated ...is it totally fair and right ....no not really but it is how our consumer society works at this point..
It is upto the business to satisfy that customer in his perceived issues and problems ..this is how it works...are customers 100% right all the time...lol... NO ...but this is the contract of business & customer
Now the final chestnut...
So Its all about us wanting to be able to mint coins and nobody else...Yeah you have totally got me their...lol
I do this purely so nobody else can mine.... Your argument is pure genius... I get it that this is your point of view but it is not mine ..sorry
May 25, 2013, 08:37:34 PM
seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way.Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who?
By me PL .. and I am not who you think I am ..
dig deep .. you will find the answer..
You used information that was only disclosed by him.
You assume that I didn't disclose it to him ?
"Well, it's all publicly available information."
And yes, you may send any postcards you wish to the last address. Leave out any anthrax or other dangerous substances, please.
No one is anonymous dummy (unless they are somehow incredibly ignorant of various facts). Don't overlay your own [apparent] stupidity (or nonsense notions) unto others.
Sorry iam old and dont really understand SMS speak or whatever language you are pretending to be using..
May 25, 2013, 08:34:21 PM
war . ..it's all the art of war. . .and your FUD
just Missing a timeline ...... is that what u are going with in regards to BFL ......lol cry lol
If you believe that you either are not informed on the long long history of this saga or are deluded !
He's new here, his account was created 3 weeks ago. So he's not aware of the missed October, and the missed November, and the missed December, and the missed January, and the missed February, and the missed March, and the missed April, and the missed May.
May 25, 2013, 08:33:03 PM
seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way.Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who?
By me PL .. and I am not who you think I am ..
dig deep .. you will find the answer..
You used information that was only disclosed by him.
You assume that I didn't disclose it to him ?
"Well, it's all publicly available information."
And yes, you may send any postcards you wish to the last address. Leave out any anthrax or other dangerous substances, please.
No one is anonymous dummy (unless they are somehow incredibly ignorant of various facts). Don't overlay your own [apparent] stupidity (or nonsense notions) unto others.
Sorry iam old and dont really understand SMS speak or whatever language you are pretending to be using..
May 25, 2013, 08:32:47 PM
I think that instead of focusing totally on ones self in the "WHATS IN IT FOR ME" gen y mentality ..he chose to bring information and light onto BFL's corrupt business practices
Well, despite your impenetrable choice of words, I gather your comments. He has a right to bring to the community attention, the fact that he feels aggrieved.
SO yes he did himself out of some cash but also helped the comminity as a whole and maybe even stopped BFL from executeing this type of practice on many others to follow
$15k in fact. I doubt he did any of the other things you were trying to say YipYip.
So what have you provided to the community apart from your abuse and trolling others trying to deal with a difficult situation ??
Well, I have done loads actually - for one thing I have answered your post and pointed out to anyone with an ounce of intelligence, that your points in your post are poor at best.
Oh wait just like inaba u will change your alias and continue to hide from who and what u are... go back to the shadows and have a look closely to find whats in it for me mantra...you are a credit to the community and we certainly need more pple like yourself to help mainstream crypto....lol
I do not intend to change my alias. I think the community might actually be better off with less people like you.
Keep denfending the most morally corrupt business I have ever come across in my life....
Keep supporting/enabling these guys and saying your are helping anyone by this behavior...
Just for the record you totally support and endorse BFL business practices up to date ??
Of course not - who would 'totally' endorse *anything* if they had any sense?
But what xian did is reprehensible to the point of beyond belief.
I expect a lot of people on these forums are developers, work in IT etc. We all know about 'target dates'.
If bfl had delivered his asic already, he would be sitting there reveling in his profit keeping his mouth shut.
He must have known it was a gamble to pay cash up front for a 'pre-order' - just like I did. And if bfl fail to deliver and you have bet your life savings on an asic - then you made a really bad choice.
There's plenty of people with plenty of cash who don't mind the gamble. I am sick of people trying to 'protect' me from a bad investment when really they just want to go back to the old days where they got the coins and no-one else did.
What did he do that u find sooooo reprehensible....
He complained about 1 of about 30 missed lies\deadlines and mis-representations made by this company going back nearly 12 months
So u find this abhorrent to you ??
Or you just want to silence him ??
I dont really understand what your point is..or what u are trying to achieve ??
We all get it that he could have made more money ..great or he could tell others of his XP which he has....and for some reason you want to punish him for his choice of recourse...why
Did you come into this thread late?
Reprehensible acts include telling people to FO, making it his purpose in life to slate bfl publicly, over and over and over again. To the point that they made an 'unprecedented' move to force a refund on this one individual - who else do you know here who had a blf order 'force refunded'. Ask yourself why that might be. Read the thread from the beginning.
My point is this:
I am sick of people trying to 'protect' me from a bad investment when really they just want to go back to the old days where they got the coins and no-one else did.
I don't want to silence anyone. I am from England where we fight for the rights of people to have their say. That also means I have my right to say xian was a fool.
May 25, 2013, 08:31:47 PM
If I'm reading the past several posts correct, there seems to be two user accounts operated by Josh Zerlan, the COO of Butterfly Labs in Kansas City, who has nothing else better to do than troll the forum he's on record in stating he loathes.
Meanwhile, thousands of people have pre-orders pending, the same people that Josh Zerlan refers to as cocksuckers.
Josh Zerlan drank the Kool Aid at BF Labs, Inc., continuing to do so to wash down the cum of Sonny Vleisides, son of a scammer by the name of James Ray Houston, et al., both of which scammed millions of dollars from poor little old ladies with their lottery scheme, while they lived high on the hog in the blue butterfly land of Costa Rica, in a place call Laissez Faire City.
I believe it's time play to hardball!
Meanwhile, thousands of people have pre-orders pending, the same people that Josh Zerlan refers to as cocksuckers.
Josh Zerlan drank the Kool Aid at BF Labs, Inc., continuing to do so to wash down the cum of Sonny Vleisides, son of a scammer by the name of James Ray Houston, et al., both of which scammed millions of dollars from poor little old ladies with their lottery scheme, while they lived high on the hog in the blue butterfly land of Costa Rica, in a place call Laissez Faire City.
I believe it's time play to hardball!
May 25, 2013, 08:29:42 PM
seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way.Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who?
By me PL .. and I am not who you think I am ..
dig deep .. you will find the answer..
You used information that was only disclosed by him.
You assume that I didn't disclose it to him ?
"Well, it's all publicly available information."
And yes, you may send any postcards you wish to the last address. Leave out any anthrax or other dangerous substances, please.
No one is anonymous dummy (unless they are somehow incredibly ignorant of various facts). Don't overlay your own [apparent] stupidity (or nonsense notions) unto others.
May 25, 2013, 08:24:35 PM
seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way.Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who?
By me PL .. and I am not who you think I am ..
dig deep .. you will find the answer..
You used information that was only disclosed by him.
You assume that I didn't disclose it to him ?
"Well, it's all publicly available information."
And yes, you may send any postcards you wish to the last address. Leave out any anthrax or other dangerous substances, please.
No one is anonymous dummy (unless they are somehow incredibly ignorant of various facts). Don't overlay your own [apparent] stupidity (or nonsense notions) unto others.
May 25, 2013, 08:21:55 PM
I think that instead of focusing totally on ones self in the "WHATS IN IT FOR ME" gen y mentality ..he chose to bring information and light onto BFL's corrupt business practices
Well, despite your impenetrable choice of words, I gather your comments. He has a right to bring to the community attention, the fact that he feels aggrieved.
SO yes he did himself out of some cash but also helped the comminity as a whole and maybe even stopped BFL from executeing this type of practice on many others to follow
$15k in fact. I doubt he did any of the other things you were trying to say YipYip.
So what have you provided to the community apart from your abuse and trolling others trying to deal with a difficult situation ??
Well, I have done loads actually - for one thing I have answered your post and pointed out to anyone with an ounce of intelligence, that your points in your post are poor at best.
Oh wait just like inaba u will change your alias and continue to hide from who and what u are... go back to the shadows and have a look closely to find whats in it for me mantra...you are a credit to the community and we certainly need more pple like yourself to help mainstream crypto....lol
I do not intend to change my alias. I think the community might actually be better off with less people like you.
Keep denfending the most morally corrupt business I have ever come across in my life....
Keep supporting/enabling these guys and saying your are helping anyone by this behavior...
Just for the record you totally support and endorse BFL business practices up to date ??
Of course not - who would 'totally' endorse *anything* if they had any sense?
But what xian did is reprehensible to the point of beyond belief.
I expect a lot of people on these forums are developers, work in IT etc. We all know about 'target dates'.
If bfl had delivered his asic already, he would be sitting there reveling in his profit keeping his mouth shut.
He must have known it was a gamble to pay cash up front for a 'pre-order' - just like I did. And if bfl fail to deliver and you have bet your life savings on an asic - then you made a really bad choice.
There's plenty of people with plenty of cash who don't mind the gamble. I am sick of people trying to 'protect' me from a bad investment when really they just want to go back to the old days where they got the coins and no-one else did.
What did he do that u find sooooo reprehensible....
He complained about 1 of about 30 missed lies\deadlines and mis-representations made by this company going back nearly 12 months
So u find this abhorrent to you ??
Or you just want to silence him ??
I dont really understand what your point is..or what u are trying to achieve ??
We all get it that he could have made more money ..great or he could tell others of his XP which he has....and for some reason you want to punish him for his choice of recourse...why
May 25, 2013, 08:18:54 PM
seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way.Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who?
By me PL .. and I am not who you think I am ..
dig deep .. you will find the answer..
You used information that was only disclosed by him.
You assume that I didn't disclose it to him ?
"Well, it's all publicly available information."
And yes, you may send any postcards you wish to the last address. Leave out any anthrax or other dangerous substances, please.
May 25, 2013, 08:18:41 PM
seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way.Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who?
By me PL .. and I am not who you think I am ..
dig deep .. you will find the answer..
You used information that was only disclosed by him.
You assume that I didn't disclose it to him ?
"Well, it's all publicly available information."
And yes, you may send any postcards you wish to the last address. Leave out any anthrax or other dangerous substances, please.
You are too funny .. If I was going to send you anything it would be a box of Seraquil.
May 25, 2013, 08:15:35 PM
seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way.Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who?
By me PL .. and I am not who you think I am ..
dig deep .. you will find the answer..
You used information that was only disclosed by him.
You assume that I didn't disclose it to him ?
"Well, it's all publicly available information."
And yes, you may send any postcards you wish to the last address. Leave out any anthrax or other dangerous substances, please.
May 25, 2013, 08:14:29 PM
seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way.Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who?
By me PL .. and I am not who you think I am ..
dig deep .. you will find the answer..
You used information that was only disclosed by him.
May 25, 2013, 08:11:10 PM
seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way.Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who?
By me PL .. and I am not who you think I am ..
dig deep .. you will find the answer..
You used information that was only disclosed by him.
You assume that I didn't disclose it to him ?
May 25, 2013, 08:09:26 PM
I am clearly very dumb.
Nulla et massa vitae tortor condimentum vestibulum.
Keep going.. it only serves to prove my point.
I feel that I put way more into any one of my posts by pasting the output of a lorem ipsum engine than int03h has put into all of his posts together.
Back onto a real conversation. I was hoping you could provide an example of a major online retailer that charges the full amount to your credit card (not just an authorization) for a pre-order.
Here is my post on the subject (sans nonsense)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2270904
I posted the relevant statute entitled Missouri Merchandising Practices Act. I post it again http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters/chap407.htm.
I already posted the part I feel BFL has violated:
407.020. 1. The act, use or employment by any person of any deception, fraud, false pretense, false promise, misrepresentation, unfair practice or the concealment, suppression, or omission of any material fact in connection with the sale or advertisement of any merchandise in trade or commerce or the solicitation of any funds for any charitable purpose, as defined in section 407.453, in or from the state of Missouri, is declared to be an unlawful practice.
You failed to address that Missouri statute.
You said that all retailers charge full price for pre-orders, I posted several counter examples of major online retailers never charge full price for pre-orders. They only authorize. They only charge when the item ships. You have not addressed this either.
May 25, 2013, 08:08:40 PM
seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way.Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who?
By me PL .. and I am not who you think I am ..
dig deep .. you will find the answer..
You used information that was only disclosed by him.
May 25, 2013, 08:06:57 PM
seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way.Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who?
By me PL .. and I am not who you think I am ..
dig deep .. you will find the answer..
May 25, 2013, 08:06:08 PM
I think that instead of focusing totally on ones self in the "WHATS IN IT FOR ME" gen y mentality ..he chose to bring information and light onto BFL's corrupt business practices
Well, despite your impenetrable choice of words, I gather your comments. He has a right to bring to the community attention, the fact that he feels aggrieved.
SO yes he did himself out of some cash but also helped the comminity as a whole and maybe even stopped BFL from executeing this type of practice on many others to follow
$15k in fact. I doubt he did any of the other things you were trying to say YipYip.
So what have you provided to the community apart from your abuse and trolling others trying to deal with a difficult situation ??
Well, I have done loads actually - for one thing I have answered your post and pointed out to anyone with an ounce of intelligence, that your points in your post are poor at best.
Oh wait just like inaba u will change your alias and continue to hide from who and what u are... go back to the shadows and have a look closely to find whats in it for me mantra...you are a credit to the community and we certainly need more pple like yourself to help mainstream crypto....lol
I do not intend to change my alias. I think the community might actually be better off with less people like you.
Keep denfending the most morally corrupt business I have ever come across in my life....
Keep supporting/enabling these guys and saying your are helping anyone by this behavior...
Just for the record you totally support and endorse BFL business practices up to date ??
Of course not - who would 'totally' endorse *anything* if they had any sense?
But what xian did is reprehensible to the point of beyond belief.
I expect a lot of people on these forums are developers, work in IT etc. We all know about 'target dates'.
If bfl had delivered his asic already, he would be sitting there reveling in his profit keeping his mouth shut.
He must have known it was a gamble to pay cash up front for a 'pre-order' - just like I did. And if bfl fail to deliver and you have bet your life savings on an asic - then you made a really bad choice.
There's plenty of people with plenty of cash who don't mind the gamble. I am sick of people trying to 'protect' me from a bad investment when really they just want to go back to the old days where they got the coins and no-one else did.
May 25, 2013, 08:05:32 PM
The real question is PL .. did you get my postcards?
Send it to my current address:http://www.mylife.com/l-joshua-zerlan-e961579999368
https://plus.google.com/104100515304524528467/about?gl=us&hl=en
Fix me a hard drive quick quick quick
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