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legendary
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April 20, 2013, 08:32:25 PM
#28
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.

Haha, do you expect anything less from Puerto Libre?  He's lied repeatedly for months, why not throw some fraud into the mix?  He's right up his alley, given his lifestyle.

Can you feel the epic wave of back peddling by the likes of Yajaira D Guevara and the rest of the clown crew as they try to claim they never said BFL was a scam or that BFL would never ship or that BFL never had ASICs etc... but they ACTUALLY meant something entirely different.



Want to play?

Josh[ua] Ryan Zerlan?
legendary
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April 20, 2013, 08:31:38 PM
#27
Josh is what I always imagined a Blizzard community manager to be if their bosses one day said "today you can post whatever the fuck you want on the forums"

What you might find even more frightening is the the fact that I try, and fail to, restrain myself a great deal when posting on Bitcointalk. Smiley



ftfy Smiley

Nope, you failed at fixing it, sorry.  I meant what I said.  Unlike many people here, I'm capable of communicating my thoughts and meanings fairly accurately.

legendary
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April 20, 2013, 08:31:19 PM
#26
It seems to keep their account active they are "sending" people money rather than clicking on the refund button.


This came to my knowledge after reading this guys account:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1606-bfl-fraud-i-can-not-get-refund-5.html

what came to my knowledge after reading that guy's account was the response from BFL_StevenM:

"The 45-day default limit on PayPal refunds does not mean that we can't just click "Send Money". "

Clearly stating that they are willing, and able, to refund money above and beyond the 45 day limit set by pay-pal.


I don't think you understand the situation:

Read carefully:

"The 45-day default limit on PayPal refunds does not mean that we can't just click "Send Money". This option costs us a tiny fee, but nothing we can't handle. Our PayPal refund period is longer though. Spec was told that PayPal will not allow anyone to send money to the country which is registered on Spec's PayPal account. A bankwire was attempted on 2013-04-05, has not been confirmed by Spec's bank. BFL_Jody will have to check the wire logs and email Spec again."

Last I checked the refund button disappears after 60 days. The 45 day limit is (last I checked) for escalating the issue to a claim. The two are different.

In either case, I'll call them up right now and ask.
legendary
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@theshmadz
April 20, 2013, 08:30:16 PM
#25
Josh is what I always imagined a Blizzard community manager to be if their bosses one day said "today you can post whatever the fuck you want on the forums"

What you might find even more frightening is the the fact that I try, and fail to, restrain myself a great deal when posting on Bitcointalk. Smiley



ftfy Smiley
legendary
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April 20, 2013, 08:28:15 PM
#24
Josh is what I always imagined a Blizzard community manager to be if their bosses one day said "today you can post whatever the fuck you want on the forums"

What you might find even more frightening is the the fact that I restrain myself a great deal when posting on Bitcointalk. Smiley

legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1003
April 20, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
#23
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.
Rograz,

You seem to be ignorant.

Paypal does not allow anyone to offer a refund "outside" of Paypal services.

BFL cannot offer an alternative means of compensation. If paid by Paypal, they cannot offer BTC, Wire Transfers, etc.

There is a good reason why Paypal account have metrics. The Paypal system is supposed to catch abnormal surges of money or a spike of refunds and alert them. Working around the refund process to transfer huge quantities of refunded money under the nose of Paypal is against Paypal Policy. This is "fraud" and "abuse" of the Paypal system.



hero member
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April 20, 2013, 08:26:30 PM
#22
Josh is what I always imagined a Blizzard community manager to be if their bosses one day said "today you can post whatever the fuck you want on the forums"

The level of stupid on these forums follows about the same curve as your average gaming forum.
legendary
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@theshmadz
April 20, 2013, 08:25:42 PM
#21
It seems to keep their account active they are "sending" people money rather than clicking on the refund button.


This came to my knowledge after reading this guys account:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1606-bfl-fraud-i-can-not-get-refund-5.html

what came to my knowledge after reading that guy's account was the response from BFL_StevenM:

"The 45-day default limit on PayPal refunds does not mean that we can't just click "Send Money". "

Clearly stating that they are willing, and able, to refund money above and beyond the 45 day limit set by pay-pal.

legendary
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Be A Digital Miner
April 20, 2013, 08:22:23 PM
#20
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.

Haha, do you expect anything less from Puerto Libre?  He's lied repeatedly for months, why not throw some fraud into the mix?  He's right up his alley, given his lifestyle.

Josh Zerlan of BFL Labs is Inaba.   Not sure why he does not point that out but for the people who do not know, this is a senior executive of BFL that is using all the profanity on these boards.
Josh;
Why don't you tone it down a bit.   Do your victory lap (although it is early for that) but a guy in your position probably should not piss people off to the point it becomes their mission to drop the dime on you.
legendary
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April 20, 2013, 08:18:54 PM
#19
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.

Haha, do you expect anything less from Puerto Libre?  He's lied repeatedly for months, why not throw some fraud into the mix?  He's right up his alley, given his lifestyle.

Can you feel the epic wave of back peddling by the likes of Yajaira D Guevara and the rest of the clown crew as they try to claim they never said BFL was a scam or that BFL would never ship or that BFL never had ASICs etc... but they ACTUALLY meant something entirely different.


hero member
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April 20, 2013, 08:17:18 PM
#18
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.
legendary
Activity: 2478
Merit: 1020
Be A Digital Miner
April 20, 2013, 08:14:30 PM
#17
but since josh is an honest guy and he says he can make 400 a day  

That is probably best case scenario if they have everything at hand and working at full speed. If they are redesigning the singles/little singles there will be more hiccups and supply constraints on the way.

They might get to 400 units a day eventually but you never get up to full speed on day 1 assembling shit unless your operation is already well oiled and you spent time streamlining.
Take anything Josh say and double/halve it and reduce/add 25% for good measure and you won't be so surprised at the end result anymore.
I was being sarcastic.   I only thing an completely disorganized group of guys like josh can make 400 of in a day are posts to forums.    And he could not even do that correctly since he was busted here on this forum when he was logging in and out of two different accounts.
hero member
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April 20, 2013, 08:13:08 PM
#16
Well I'll certainly say that looks real even to me.
Two Jalapeno's were sent out according to Jody, and I'm likely the other target according to Dave.
Being in Aus means it may be a while to get here ...

Not really.  I've ordered stuff from the US on a Saturday and had it delivered in Sydney by Thursday and that was just normal express, not priority - and that was on a public holiday weekend (mind you, the tracking info was telling me it was still in customs even after it had been delivered).
hero member
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April 20, 2013, 08:11:29 PM
#15
but since josh is an honest guy and he says he can make 400 a day  

That is probably best case scenario if they have everything at hand and working at full speed. If they are redesigning the singles/little singles there will be more hiccups and supply constraints on the way.

They might get to 400 units a day eventually but you never get up to full speed on day 1 assembling shit unless your operation is already well oiled and you spent time streamlining.
Take anything Josh say and double/halve it and reduce/add 25% for good measure and you won't be so surprised at the end result anymore.
legendary
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April 20, 2013, 08:10:30 PM
#14
Well, at least it didn't explode!

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Off-topic,
There is word that BFL is probably abusing Paypal refund policy. It seems to keep their account active they are "sending" people money rather than clicking on the refund button.

I do not know how extensively this is used, but it sounds like a call to Paypal may clear up whether this "workaround" is acceptable by their policies.

It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they (BFL) uses that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? rather than a refund for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and opens a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

I wonder how many other customers got their refund back as "a gift" rather than a standard (and proper) Paypal refund?

This came to my knowledge after reading this guys account:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1606-bfl-fraud-i-can-not-get-refund-5.html
sr. member
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April 20, 2013, 08:09:00 PM
#13
Well for the people that ordered singles and minirigs it is a bit of a shit sandwich to eat today.
but since josh is an honest guy and he says he can make 400 a day, I will expect to see around 2000 of these videos in the next two weeks. Does anyone expect to see the HR of the network go up 10TH per week starting next week?

If it does it will be due to ASICMiner deploying real mining power, not BFL and their latest publicity stunt with their beta toys.
legendary
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Be A Digital Miner
April 20, 2013, 08:03:54 PM
#12
Well for the people that ordered singles and minirigs it is a bit of a shit sandwich to eat today.
but since josh is an honest guy and he says he can make 400 a day, I will expect to see around 2000 of these videos in the next two weeks.   Does anyone expect to see the HR of the network go up 10TH per week starting next week?  
hero member
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April 20, 2013, 08:03:06 PM
#11
nah it's CGI, I bet they hired James Cameron to direct the demo
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hero member
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April 20, 2013, 07:56:47 PM
#10
Looks like the Day of ASIC BFL has finally dawned.

I guess the next question is... will they be able to get their higher density models working... or will it all be denominated in units of these 5GH jala-singles ( which frankly I think people would be fine with... but are they able to produce sufficient number to meet their obligations with only that model).  I imagine in a way it would be easier if they wanted to go this route.  They only need 1 assembly line rather than 3...


The reviewer said there is a case redesign in progress for the other models. The small cube probably would have issues getting rid of more than 50watts of heat.
legendary
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April 20, 2013, 07:55:42 PM
#9
Well I'll certainly say that looks real even to me.
Two Jalapeno's were sent out according to Jody, and I'm likely the other target according to Dave.
Being in Aus means it may be a while to get here ...
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