All that jumbo and no delivery date or daily # of units shipping
and asking you to agree to new specs without giving detail of said specs..
Topic: Butterfly Labs just sent me an update e-mail! - page 5. (Read 9609 times)
PuertoLibre - I have an important question for you:
Do you have the red font, green font, large text, bold and underline buttons hotkeyed, if so - how do you do this because I feel like a bitcointalk amateur without this rapid ability when I post.
Will
Simply highlight the text you want to change and tap the buttons at the top. The original highlighted part will assume any particulars in the formatting bar above.Do you have the red font, green font, large text, bold and underline buttons hotkeyed, if so - how do you do this because I feel like a bitcointalk amateur without this rapid ability when I post.
Will
When you want to modify any other text segment simply highlight that instead.
Finally I can post like a noob.. :-))))
Can I make the text blink??????????
Aww thats not an insult at all. Kinda sweet actually. Remind me again, which asic do you own and why are you posting in the asic forum?
I did my part in warning people just in case the worst is about to spring up on them. I can sleep pretty well tonight about that little bit.
You are my hero. So noble and stuff. When are you going outside with a cardboard box asking people to buckle up?
(Master BFL Shill)
You say that like an insult? Come one you can do better than that. Bring up my join date again.
By the way, please buy more. Then my opinion might change. My love is directly proportional to your investment in BFL.
(Master BFL Shill)
Just in time, a mail from BitSyncom arrived:
How often did we read that from avalon team now ? They wanted to be "full throttle" how many times now ? 10 ? 20 ? Batch 3 should already be kinda "shipped" ?!
We should make a new sub-forum "troll the asic companys"...
Code:
Lots things to update.
1. We are currently investigating on the three or so shipments that have shown up badly damaged to the customers. They do no appear to be simple delivery damage: they are not dents but some corners of some of the units have been snapped off. It takes a great amount of force to snap 3mm aluminum that's been bolted down with 0.9mm screws in a box with foam padding. We are not ruling out the possibility of sabotage.
In future, when receiving an Avalon package, if there is any rattling sound coming from inside, open the package in front of DHL/EMS and inspect the inside, if there is damage immediately return the package to the sender. The receiver must submit the complaint so us, the shipper can receive this information from DHL/EMS and we can investigate.
Do not worry, even if DHL/EMS does not compensate for the damages, once you send the damaged unit back, we will send you a replacement free of charge.
2. Our new SMT equipment has arrived, it is expected to be tweaked and fully functional by the second week of May. Expect an updated gallery of our facility soon.[b] In the mean time we are going to send out ~20 units[/b] through our new shipping channels and test the waters. [b]We expect to go full throttle once the new SMT line comes online.[/b]
3. We also recently released a new firmware that is our most stabled version yet, it also increases the performance by about 2Gh/s and lowers idle power consumption, see the wiki for full details. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon#20130419
[b]p.s. few people in the Avalon team is sick, so we are moving rather slow at the moment[/b].
How often did we read that from avalon team now ? They wanted to be "full throttle" how many times now ? 10 ? 20 ? Batch 3 should already be kinda "shipped" ?!
We should make a new sub-forum "troll the asic companys"...
Or we could make a sub-forum "kiss bfl's ass if you like the taste of shit"
or "kiss avalon team's ass if you like the taste of shit" ;-)) (aka "kiss
I did my part in warning people just in case the worst is about to spring up on them. I can sleep pretty well tonight about that little bit.
You are my hero. So noble and stuff. When are you going outside with a cardboard box asking people to buckle up?
(Master BFL Shill)
You say that like an insult? Come one you can do better than that. Bring up my join date again.
Just in time, a mail from BitSyncom arrived:
How often did we read that from avalon team now ? They wanted to be "full throttle" how many times now ? 10 ? 20 ? Batch 3 should already be kinda "shipped" ?!
We should make a new sub-forum "troll the asic companys"...
Last I heard they are shipping out Batch 2 and 3 at almost the same time with the new high speed machinery.Code:
Lots things to update.
1. We are currently investigating on the three or so shipments that have shown up badly damaged to the customers. They do no appear to be simple delivery damage: they are not dents but some corners of some of the units have been snapped off. It takes a great amount of force to snap 3mm aluminum that's been bolted down with 0.9mm screws in a box with foam padding. We are not ruling out the possibility of sabotage.
In future, when receiving an Avalon package, if there is any rattling sound coming from inside, open the package in front of DHL/EMS and inspect the inside, if there is damage immediately return the package to the sender. The receiver must submit the complaint so us, the shipper can receive this information from DHL/EMS and we can investigate.
Do not worry, even if DHL/EMS does not compensate for the damages, once you send the damaged unit back, we will send you a replacement free of charge.
2. Our new SMT equipment has arrived, it is expected to be tweaked and fully functional by the second week of May. Expect an updated gallery of our facility soon.[b] In the mean time we are going to send out ~20 units[/b] through our new shipping channels and test the waters. [b]We expect to go full throttle once the new SMT line comes online.[/b]
3. We also recently released a new firmware that is our most stabled version yet, it also increases the performance by about 2Gh/s and lowers idle power consumption, see the wiki for full details. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon#20130419
[b]p.s. few people in the Avalon team is sick, so we are moving rather slow at the moment[/b].
How often did we read that from avalon team now ? They wanted to be "full throttle" how many times now ? 10 ? 20 ? Batch 3 should already be kinda "shipped" ?!
We should make a new sub-forum "troll the asic companys"...
What is your complaint again? BFL probably can't even use the (really slow) SMT machines they bought.
Just in time, a mail from BitSyncom arrived:
How often did we read that from avalon team now ? They wanted to be "full throttle" how many times now ? 10 ? 20 ? Batch 3 should already be kinda "shipped" ?!
We should make a new sub-forum "troll the asic companys"...
Code:
Lots things to update.
1. We are currently investigating on the three or so shipments that have shown up badly damaged to the customers. They do no appear to be simple delivery damage: they are not dents but some corners of some of the units have been snapped off. It takes a great amount of force to snap 3mm aluminum that's been bolted down with 0.9mm screws in a box with foam padding. We are not ruling out the possibility of sabotage.
In future, when receiving an Avalon package, if there is any rattling sound coming from inside, open the package in front of DHL/EMS and inspect the inside, if there is damage immediately return the package to the sender. The receiver must submit the complaint so us, the shipper can receive this information from DHL/EMS and we can investigate.
Do not worry, even if DHL/EMS does not compensate for the damages, once you send the damaged unit back, we will send you a replacement free of charge.
2. Our new SMT equipment has arrived, it is expected to be tweaked and fully functional by the second week of May. Expect an updated gallery of our facility soon.[b] In the mean time we are going to send out ~20 units[/b] through our new shipping channels and test the waters. [b]We expect to go full throttle once the new SMT line comes online.[/b]
3. We also recently released a new firmware that is our most stabled version yet, it also increases the performance by about 2Gh/s and lowers idle power consumption, see the wiki for full details. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon#20130419
[b]p.s. few people in the Avalon team is sick, so we are moving rather slow at the moment[/b].
How often did we read that from avalon team now ? They wanted to be "full throttle" how many times now ? 10 ? 20 ? Batch 3 should already be kinda "shipped" ?!
We should make a new sub-forum "troll the asic companys"...
Or we could make a sub-forum "kiss bfl's ass if you like the taste of shit"
I did my part in warning people just in case the worst is about to spring up on them. I can sleep pretty well tonight about that little bit.
You are my hero. So noble and stuff. When are you going outside with a cardboard box asking people to buckle up?
(Master BFL Shill)
Just in time, a mail from BitSyncom arrived:
How often did we read that from avalon team now ? They wanted to be "full throttle" how many times now ? 10 ? 20 ? Batch 3 should already be kinda "shipped" ?!
We should make a new sub-forum "troll the asic companys"...
Code:
Lots things to update.
1. We are currently investigating on the three or so shipments that have shown up badly damaged to the customers. They do no appear to be simple delivery damage: they are not dents but some corners of some of the units have been snapped off. It takes a great amount of force to snap 3mm aluminum that's been bolted down with 0.9mm screws in a box with foam padding. We are not ruling out the possibility of sabotage.
In future, when receiving an Avalon package, if there is any rattling sound coming from inside, open the package in front of DHL/EMS and inspect the inside, if there is damage immediately return the package to the sender. The receiver must submit the complaint so us, the shipper can receive this information from DHL/EMS and we can investigate.
Do not worry, even if DHL/EMS does not compensate for the damages, once you send the damaged unit back, we will send you a replacement free of charge.
2. Our new SMT equipment has arrived, it is expected to be tweaked and fully functional by the second week of May. Expect an updated gallery of our facility soon.[b] In the mean time we are going to send out ~20 units[/b] through our new shipping channels and test the waters. [b]We expect to go full throttle once the new SMT line comes online.[/b]
3. We also recently released a new firmware that is our most stabled version yet, it also increases the performance by about 2Gh/s and lowers idle power consumption, see the wiki for full details. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon#20130419
[b]p.s. few people in the Avalon team is sick, so we are moving rather slow at the moment[/b].
How often did we read that from avalon team now ? They wanted to be "full throttle" how many times now ? 10 ? 20 ? Batch 3 should already be kinda "shipped" ?!
We should make a new sub-forum "troll the asic companys"...
PuertoLibre - I have an important question for you:
Do you have the red font, green font, large text, bold and underline buttons hotkeyed, if so - how do you do this because I feel like a bitcointalk amateur without this rapid ability when I post.
Will
Simply highlight the text you want to change and tap the buttons at the top. The original highlighted part will assume any particulars in the formatting bar above.Do you have the red font, green font, large text, bold and underline buttons hotkeyed, if so - how do you do this because I feel like a bitcointalk amateur without this rapid ability when I post.
Will
When you want to modify any other text segment simply highlight that instead.
I did my part in warning people just in case the worst is about to spring up on them. I can sleep pretty well tonight about that little bit.
You are my hero. So noble and stuff. When are you going outside with a cardboard box asking people to buckle up?
I have been able to confirm finally.
PuertoLibre - I have an important question for you:
Do you have the red font, green font, large text, bold and underline buttons hotkeyed, if so - how do you do this because I feel like a bitcointalk amateur without this rapid ability when I post.
Will
Do you have the red font, green font, large text, bold and underline buttons hotkeyed, if so - how do you do this because I feel like a bitcointalk amateur without this rapid ability when I post.
Will
1. Josh trolling forums and can't directly answer any important questions.
2. News comes out from Josh that their wafer of chips went bad and they need to reorder and are somewhat delayed in getting things organized to start shipping.
3. Mass EMAIL sent out to all preorder customers asking them to CONFIRM their orders and not mention anything about refunds at all.
...I smell panic on BFL's part.
The precedent has been set. If they operated as a ponzi likely they will implode very soon if people decide they are fed up with all the bullshit delays from BFL.
Time is a ticking...
2. News comes out from Josh that their wafer of chips went bad and they need to reorder and are somewhat delayed in getting things organized to start shipping.
3. Mass EMAIL sent out to all preorder customers asking them to CONFIRM their orders and not mention anything about refunds at all.
...I smell panic on BFL's part.
The precedent has been set. If they operated as a ponzi likely they will implode very soon if people decide they are fed up with all the bullshit delays from BFL.
Time is a ticking...
The e-mail explicitly stated that if confirmation of changes was not accepted then you would get a refund:
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Please be advised that due to the adjustments described above, we need your confirmation prior to release of your order into the final build queue and on to final delivery. It may also be a good time to review your purchase altogether relative to the bitcoin market as this is the last opportunity to do so. If your order is not confirmed, it will be canceled and your money will be refunded.
Peurto --
Your assertion seemed to be that they are dependent on new orders for continuing operation. I seem to recall you mentioning it was the return of funds that was giving the illusion of strength. If they stopped honoring refunds, this illusion would be broken, and the pre-order stream would dry up. I don't see how they are able to stop refunds (no matter how much they state, "all sales are final").
I can't make any assumptions on this, my friend. Your assertion seemed to be that they are dependent on new orders for continuing operation. I seem to recall you mentioning it was the return of funds that was giving the illusion of strength. If they stopped honoring refunds, this illusion would be broken, and the pre-order stream would dry up. I don't see how they are able to stop refunds (no matter how much they state, "all sales are final").
Keep this in mind: Does your (or anyones) assumption about what is "the right thing to do" have any bearing on what BFL will "actually" do? No? Then...?
What happens in a customers head is totally independent of what happens at BFL.
Customers always complain because they assume things that aren't actual. When a companies actual policy (or change in policy) contradicts what they thought should happen, they get very upset. They always lose. So I am warning people to do their checks so they don't have to feel that way. Nothing more. Better safe and informed than "sorry".
I got my refund a month or so ago, as it was clear they are going to be shipping into the difficulty high tide generated from Avalon and AsicMiner. But had I been a believer, I don't think I would have any issues with confirming my order at this point. If they stopped honoring refunds now, it would be give a very strong signal that they are not capable of delivering (something they are obviously trying to avoid).
I do find the timing of this campaign odd given that they just had the bad news about the unusable chip wafer.
I unfortunately assume the worst when it comes to BFL.I do find the timing of this campaign odd given that they just had the bad news about the unusable chip wafer.
I did my part in warning people just in case the worst is about to spring up on them. I can sleep pretty well tonight about that little bit.
1. Josh trolling forums and can't directly answer any important questions.
2. News comes out from Josh that their wafer of chips went bad and they need to reorder and are somewhat delayed in getting things organized to start shipping.
3. Mass EMAIL sent out to all preorder customers asking them to CONFIRM their orders and not mention anything about refunds at all.
...I smell panic on BFL's part.
The precedent has been set. If they operated as a ponzi likely they will implode very soon if people decide they are fed up with all the bullshit delays from BFL.
Time is a ticking...
2. News comes out from Josh that their wafer of chips went bad and they need to reorder and are somewhat delayed in getting things organized to start shipping.
3. Mass EMAIL sent out to all preorder customers asking them to CONFIRM their orders and not mention anything about refunds at all.
...I smell panic on BFL's part.
The precedent has been set. If they operated as a ponzi likely they will implode very soon if people decide they are fed up with all the bullshit delays from BFL.
Time is a ticking...
How professional:
I am in the same loop now. Finally it does not confirm anything.
Well folks, you have a choice.
Don't sweat it and do as ocminer says...don't ask questions, just tap that button like a numbskull.
Or do it like I have told you. Make sure they will still honor the refunds in an official statement without restrictions. Then feel free to tap the confirm button.
It's not like I am asking people to do anything super prudent....
Don't sweat it and do as ocminer says...don't ask questions, just tap that button like a numbskull.
Or do it like I have told you. Make sure they will still honor the refunds in an official statement without restrictions. Then feel free to tap the confirm button.
It's not like I am asking people to do anything super prudent....
Peurto --
Your assertion seemed to be that they are dependent on new orders for continuing operation. I seem to recall you mentioning it was the return of funds that was giving the illusion of strength. If they stopped honoring refunds, this illusion would be broken, and the pre-order stream would dry up. I don't see how they are able to stop refunds (no matter how much they state, "all sales are final").
I got my refund a month or so ago, as it was clear they are going to be shipping into the difficulty high tide generated from Avalon and AsicMiner. But had I been a believer, I don't think I would have any issues with confirming my order at this point. If they stopped honoring refunds now, it would be give a very strong signal that they are not capable of delivering (something they are obviously trying to avoid).
I do find the timing of this campaign odd given that they just had the bad news about the unusable chip wafer.
Your assertion seemed to be that they are dependent on new orders for continuing operation. I seem to recall you mentioning it was the return of funds that was giving the illusion of strength. If they stopped honoring refunds, this illusion would be broken, and the pre-order stream would dry up. I don't see how they are able to stop refunds (no matter how much they state, "all sales are final").
I got my refund a month or so ago, as it was clear they are going to be shipping into the difficulty high tide generated from Avalon and AsicMiner. But had I been a believer, I don't think I would have any issues with confirming my order at this point. If they stopped honoring refunds now, it would be give a very strong signal that they are not capable of delivering (something they are obviously trying to avoid).
I do find the timing of this campaign odd given that they just had the bad news about the unusable chip wafer.
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