Topic: Butterfly Labs just sent me an update e-mail! - page 6. (Read 9611 times)

Oh you mean the PR units? How many of them were there again? 10? 20?

Oh right and remind me how many outstanding orders BFL has in the queue? 60,000+?

Oh right lol


They called "shipping" as giving a unit to someone at their facility and then leaving the unit at the BFL office.

Dont make me laugh lol

EDIT: Why are we bringing avalon into this discussion? Oh right you expect me to troll them just as much right? No it doesn't work that way. See Avalon has actually DELIVERED a working product to its CUSTOMERS unlike BFL has.

Oh and PR units on the order of 10 or 20 isn't what I would call "fulfilling their obligations to their customers".

ROFL! Fail more please.

They're already delivering..

Post something about avalon's 2nd batch "delay" :-P

How professional:

Oh you mean like how PirateAt40 is still going to pay everyone their compounding 7% weekly interest payments?

He must be up to 70,000,000 Bitcoins he owes his investors.

 

People are ready to assume that if they do accept, they will still have the option to refund.

As a sensible customer, they need to realize that once they accept a change of hardware, they also give consent.

If people are relying on the refund window still being there without asking BFL:

"Hey, if I tap confirm, can I still refund at any time?"

Then they are asking for it to blow up in their face. BFL had little leeway in not giving customers their refund. They are obligated to do so as they have failed to deliver. Now that customers are being queried if they accept the changes, and indicate they still want their order...they are giving consent. Thereby reducing their position in asking for a refund.

People need to wise up and ask BFL (in writing through official statement and official channels) if they will still honor refunds requests after tapping "Confirm Order".

If you don't then, don't be at all surprised if BFL throws back at you the fact that you confirmed your order as a reason to deny any future refunds. You gave consent as of....May 1st 2013 to "changes" and the "status of an order". They also shipped, which means they don't have to offer you a refund anymore.

This is called Disarming the Merchant [from future excuses] and making sure you know what you are getting yourself into.

ASK questions, that is all I am telling BFL customers to do. Then, tap Confirm. Don't tap confirm like idiots on a whim or an impulse.

This is fairly straightforward. They promised


but they are delivering



So they need permission to do the switch. If they actually deliver the hash power, I don't think anyone will care the form factor changed. Power consumption is disappointing, but at the current exchange rate and network hash power it is a non-issue. This is actually a sign from BFL that they are acting in a professional fashion to inform their user base.

I will say  - I wish that the Butterflylabs.com homepage had a more robust hosting platform and service provider. It gives me the mini willies to hear the word confirmation and cancel in the same sentence and then not be able to get to their site.

You did not work for the x-files, don't you ?

Assume absolutely nothing.

You assumptions are not enforceable and they may not be realized by BFL.

GET IT IN WRITING. DO NOT ASSUME what you don't know with absolute certainty.

I LOLed here.

They didnt even test their shit before releasing the "confirm process"?

hahaha

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While it is true that between two merchants a modification to a contract does not require consideration, such is not the case when one of the parties is a non merchant. Any modification to the sale of an item under the UCC when one or more parties are non merchants requires the modification to be be accompanied with some type of additional consideration

- E.G. In contracts between parties who are not merchants, a modification should be supported by some consideration, which is the exchange of value, or something to solidify an agreement. Courts impose this requirement to prevent Fraud and deception in the modification of contracts. Consideration operates as evidence that the parties have agreed to the modification. Without the requirement of consideration, a party to a contract could declare that the contract should be modified or canceled whenever such a demand was advantageous.

I am going to use the term non-conforming goods. This does not imply they are inferior goods rather that they are different from what was originally specified in the sales contract.

I am pretty sure BFL knows this and the purpose for the confirmation is not to enforce a contract modification. One can accept the new goods or not and get a refund. Not everything is sinister. I would think they want the confirmation to make sure that you want the new config and quantities and not your money back. It would make no sense to accept non-conforming goods and then sue when the option for reimbursement was available. The court would probably think you were crazy, as the only options would be specific performance which would be impossible as perfectly conforming goods do not exist, or restitution, which was available without excepting the non-conforming goods and then suing.

For me, as an european, its really funny to see that so many americans punch on an american company, preffering an asian company over it..

I'd expect you guys to NOT buy from asia and stand tall with your company.. at least that is what I'm doing..

Here a shot of the popup, which has absolutely nothing to do with your conspiracy theories.. They just make clear what was obvious a few days ago, design has changed, power is over spec.. Nothing special..



Guys.. Calm down.. BFL will ship sooner or later.. Its your choice if you go with the americans or the chinese people.. If you hate one, print yourself a t-shirt with the logo of the other company, wear it and enjoy but stop these nonsense-post like "warning, bfl is the devil and sells your mind to aliens.. dont click "ok", you'll give them your ok to rape your a** at any time they want.. " stop it.. please.. stop it...

Eh ... I might be new to BTC, but AFAIK the preorders were also not subject to refunds, still they have done refunds. That you don't have explicit rights for refunds does not mean that it cannot happen.

My guess is that this is about the power usage and casing that is different than announced when they launched the preorders.

Offc you don't have to think about this as you never ordered or have cancelled your order long ago.

Mine didn't.  I finally had the option to upgrade to express shipping a couple of days ago, so I did so.  My status currently is "Upgrade Pending", and previously was "Processing".  Hopefully I don't get a nasty surprise by not being able to confirm my order.

This is what it says in the popup if you get a successful login...

What a damn circus act this is! I first had to reset my password. Finally got that to go through, then log in to the site. First time in, no pop-up to accept. I log in again and it finally appears. I click "Accept" and then get another pop-up that says "some text here" [OK]

WTF?!

I click the "OK" and it just shows me the Accept pop up again. I click accept, and the cycle repeats.

EDIT: I hope the hardware underwent more testing than the website. If not, we're all in trouble.

Yeah man, that's it... BUY! BUY! BUY!, that's what we are getting all the time from BFL

When, and at what rate are you going to ship them to regular customers?

please dont use alternating fonts and sizes. makes me feel liek im reading a ransom note.