Topic: -- Butterfly Labs New 600GH "Mining Card" - RED FLAGS?!?! - page 3. (Read 47801 times)

   There isn't a chance in hell the Monarch is going to hit those numbers.  IIRC the 28nm chip is based off their 65nm chip.  I'm sure we can all recall the bASIC vs BFL bet where Josh assured Tom that BFL was going to be at 1W/GH (or less).  Turns out their "fully-custom" 65nm design uses an approximate 4.5 W/GH.        The 28nm numbers should be good for a laugh.

Can't wait to see the power consumption of the Monarch,if history is any indicator,it will be close to 3 times what was announced in 2013  

600GH (+ or - 20%!!!!) @ 350 watts is what is advertised....sooo,in theory it could be as high as 700-1050+ watts....which makes it only a little better than an Antminer  

3 Antminers @ 180 GH @ 360 watts each=1080 watts @ 540GH & YOU GET THEM NOW....not in March/April/May/June  

 How is it misleading nonsense ? The same site you mention states breakeven of 40 days for purchasing 3 Antminers delivered late this week. And that's just running them at 180GH/s with no overclock.

 What are the power numbers for a Monarch ? It's all conjecture and speculation at this point.

 http://thegenesisblock.com/mining/a/2808df4ad1

 Look, I understand that you are a staunch supporter of Butterfly Labs, but don't go around stating verifiable numbers are nonsense.

Misleading nonsense, the antminer S1 is 360watts for 180GH/s you would need over 3 of them to match the Monarch spec. Thegenesisblock.com will tell you that the Antminer S1 if you get it I. January won't make ROI.

It is amazing that at this point, you could order 600GH (3 antminers) for a similar power draw at nearly the same price (5.7BTC for 3) as a monarch, and they will deliver this week

I'd like to think you learned something and will at least manage to give us that!

Nice job sinking to the same level as some consumers.. That is bad business all around and reflects very poorly on you.. I hope it was a mistake made in anger and not indicative of how you conduct yourself professionally, if so it's a huge red flag for anyone looking to do business with you.

@ Bick

Can you post that thread where you collect all the BFL product failures and complaints from customers?

It would be helpful if people could see that info directly from the customers themselves.

 *shakes head back and forth* Speaking of red flags...

 It's rare to see such a flagrant public display of apparent sociopathy and narcissistic personality disorder.

 Sad to see you have so much fun manipulating your prospective customers, and openly admit to it.

 Not a good way to run a business, no matter what sort of mental gymnastics you convince yourself of, to rationalize your poor public behavior - This is just not the way COO's of reputable businesses conduct themselves.

 Seeing you continuing to bloviate and gesticulate the way you carry on, is just genuinely sad to take in now.

 Try to be a better person Josh. They way you are carrying on is not healthy for your mental well-being, or the long-term health of your company.

As for being an ass, again, it's simply not true and either a gross exageration or hyperbole, further invalidating your argument.  That said, there is no reason to be kind to most of the trolls on here.  They aren't customers and they contribute nothing.  The lack of moderation on this forum leads to a completely useless, static filled mess, full of people like Bicknellski et al who add absolutely no value to anything.  As such, there's no reason to expend any energy posting useful information, since it will be drowned out by said trolls.

Just take a look at any post I make that's non-ass(ish) and it's immediately attacked by the usual band of idiots, ruining the thread.  Without moderation, it's impossible to hold civil discourse on this forum, so there's no point in trying.

I'm glad you're familiar with that principal.  That's why you're buying and/or talking about buying hardware and I'm selling it.  Think about that for a minute.

Wow,
It's amazing, but he is literally trying to fool people with a psychological game.

Just linking to the BFL run forums should be enough to dispel any BS he can even begin to type.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/forum.php

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Those are paying customers, flip through the pages and you'll see what people think as actual customers.

If he is here trying to pull the wool over people eyes, that means he is trying to secure new newbies who don't know anything about them.

A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is whether it can be proven to correspond to experience. Standard reference works are often used to check facts. Scientific facts are verified by repeatable experiments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

I have asked myself that many times and our sales figures would make you out to be completely wrong.  Every time I go on a posting spree, our sales jump.  As much as you'd like to believe people are a vapid and ignorant as you would have the trolls believe, they aren't.  Most of our customers are pretty smart and they see right through the trollish behavior and are, at worst, ambivalent about my posts.  Many of them are entertained by it and that's why I do it, it's entertainment for the enlightened and rage inducing for the ignorant.  Just look at the frothing at the mouth we get from people like LittleD and Bicknellski... it's like tapping on a fishtank and watching the fish jump, but without the animal cruelty.

Poor little Bick, Syke, LittleD, et al do everything I want them to do whenever I want them to do it and they think it's their own idea.  It's actually quite glorious, to be honest, and it's why I keep coming back.  If they, and those like them, failed to perform on command, I really wouldn't have a reason to continue to post.  Lest you think I'm letting a secret out, I've said this numerous times before, just the puppets change... The first time I spilled the beans about this, I was afraid it would ruin the effect, but to my surprise it did absolutely nothing to lessen the effect, as there seems to be a limitless supply if easily pliable trolls to take the place of the ones that eventually wither away.  

See, that's why I say we don't want someone like you as a customer.  Anyone with the cognitive abilities to suss out truth from lies would realize what a ridiculous statement this is... yet you still fell prey to it, validating my initial judgement that you were exactly the wrong type of customer for us and would cost far more to retain than you would generate in revenue due to your need to have your hand held and palliative words whispered in your ear every other day.  Most adults don't need constant hand holding, but dollars to donuts, you would.  Thanks, but no.  Much like all the other part time trollers, you'll be gone in a week, a month, a year... never to be heard from again and no one will remember or care what you had to say.

I mean, the simple fact that I have to sleep at some point would show your statement to be completely ludicrous or hyperbole at best (which completely invalidates your argument in this context)... that's not to mention all the other times I am away from the forum for various reasons.  In fact, I only stop in here when I'm bored and need a little entertainment at this point. Anyone with even a smattering of common sense would look at my post history and times and realize that your statement is complete bunk.

Your posts and behavior certainly don't make me want to engage in a any kind of a transaction.  Heck, I even saw the "shipping now" products on your website and I still thought "nah, they're still lying".  Clearly, being the "bad boy" persona of bitcoin mining has worked for you somehow up to this point.  And I'm sure the rise of BTC exchange rates hasn't hurt you either.  But I fail to see your metrics on your behavior and your sales.  I mean, you act like this 24x7x365.  So your correlation of behavior and sales is akin to the rise and fall of the sun or the moon.

I have asked myself that many times and our sales figures would make you out to be completely wrong.  Every time I go on a posting spree, our sales jump.  As much as you'd like to believe people are a vapid and ignorant as you would have the trolls believe, they aren't.  Most of our customers are pretty smart and they see right through the trollish behavior and are, at worst, ambivalent about my posts.  Many of them are entertained by it and that's why I do it, it's entertainment for the enlightened and rage inducing for the ignorant.  Just look at the frothing at the mouth we get from people like LittleD and Bicknellski... it's like tapping on a fishtank and watching the fish jump, but without the animal cruelty.

Poor little Bick, Syke, LittleD, et al do everything I want them to do whenever I want them to do it and they think it's their own idea.  It's actually quite glorious, to be honest, and it's why I keep coming back.  If they, and those like them, failed to perform on command, I really wouldn't have a reason to continue to post.  Lest you think I'm letting a secret out, I've said this numerous times before, just the puppets change... The first time I spilled the beans about this, I was afraid it would ruin the effect, but to my surprise it did absolutely nothing to lessen the effect, as there seems to be a limitless supply if easily pliable trolls to take the place of the ones that eventually wither away.  

While I would like to see much more active moderation on these forums to eliminate the trolls, it would make me quite a bit less effective without my little puppets to play with.  But on balance, it would be much better for the community.  One can only hope.