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stevenf

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Quote from: honky1492 on September 20, 2013, 03:42:51 AM

Quote from: stevenf on September 20, 2013, 01:37:24 AM

Any idea what would happen? Would customs destroy it, or send it back? If sent back will there be charges and if so, who would need to pay that?

Definitively not you. Your not responsible for things someone send you.

And do refund Cheesy

Thanks! I paid with Paypal so refund will be very difficult, if not impossible. Wish I had paid with creditcard, read that some people are successfully getting refunds from the creditcard company.

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Quote from: stevenf on September 20, 2013, 01:37:24 AM

Any idea what would happen? Would customs destroy it, or send it back? If sent back will there be charges and if so, who would need to pay that?

Definitively not you. Your not responsible for things someone send you.

And do refund Cheesy

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Hi All, long time lurker here.

Just faxed my chargeback form + supporting documentation to the bank yesterday (for a 25Gh Miner order date 05-Apr-2013). I will update on what happens with this.

The thing with BFL is, I would have probably held on longer if there customer service wasn't so appalling. However I still can't quite believe the sort of responses I see from BFL employees on their forum. It's got to the point where each night I and my wife have a chuckle at the latest gems posted from them on the site.

Cheers

Democratic Republic Of Dave.

stevenf

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As many I also have not received my (March) order (Jalapeno).

When they do ship I will have to pay import/custom tax (I live in the Netherlands), I expect that to be about $80. As the Jalapeno is most likely not going to return my money, accepting the package and paying the tax. I don't really feel like accepting it.

Any idea what would happen? Would customs destroy it, or send it back? If sent back will there be charges and if so, who would need to pay that?

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Damn BFL, my friend was going to buy one!
So all BFL products will never be shipped to a buyer?

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Quote from: darkmule on September 19, 2013, 08:57:05 PM

Quote from: User705 on September 19, 2013, 04:34:15 PM

i don't think it ever was or is a good method of payment online. It is great for privacy and wealth storage but not for handing out loans which is basically what a pre-order is.

From a vendor standpoint, it is a perfect medium of exchange. The seller can be entirely assured of being paid. Unfortunately, from the buyer perspective, the non-repudiation aspect means you have to trust the vendor, though the vendor doesn't have to trust you. This is nothing unusual in payment contexts. After all, cash money is just like this (unless there is a very good counterfeiter out there).

The fact is that using Bitcoin requires a bit of intelligence on the user end.

It's basically the polar opposite of the current payment methods so it creates its own set of issues. Also don't forget cash generally is face to face and bitcoin is like cash by mail which isn't exactly a common payment method now is it.

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You know I just realized that I have still not received my miner that I ordered in April. Lol, Josh you're a funny man.

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Quote from: jeffrey159 on September 19, 2013, 10:06:13 PM

luckily i didn't buy bought anything from there

yeah, it saved you a lot of headaches lol!

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luckily i didn't buy bought anything from there

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Quote from: User705 on September 19, 2013, 04:34:15 PM

i don't think it ever was or is a good method of payment online. It is great for privacy and wealth storage but not for handing out loans which is basically what a pre-order is.

From a vendor standpoint, it is a perfect medium of exchange. The seller can be entirely assured of being paid. Unfortunately, from the buyer perspective, the non-repudiation aspect means you have to trust the vendor, though the vendor doesn't have to trust you. This is nothing unusual in payment contexts. After all, cash money is just like this (unless there is a very good counterfeiter out there).

The fact is that using Bitcoin requires a bit of intelligence on the user end.

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If you do not start mining within about a month you will not be able to make a profit and soon after will not even be able to break even. The difficulty almost doublles each month. Do the math. http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/

If Butterfly Labs has been mining bitcoins with their manufactured units instead of shipping them to customers, a class action lawsuit needs be filed for all the money made with *our* units. Customers ordered units about a year ago when you could mine $1000 a month. Butterfly Labs has waited until a profit can no longer be made to start shipping. They are also breakng the law selling used hardware as new.

A thread needs to be started for everyone who has ordered from them, and a website. You are owed the money you would have made without the delays that they made instead if that is what they have been doing. They have committed fraud.

1 - Does anyone know of a website for class action lawsuits?
2 - An attorney(s) need to be chosen. Does anyone know class action lawsuit attorney?

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Quote from: becoin on September 16, 2013, 01:38:27 PM

Unfortunately, BFL crooks have unequivocally showed us that Bitcoin is not the right currency for commerce.

Actually I think bfl has demonstrated to us that pre-orders are a huge risk and that crooks steal from people. Blaming the method of payment doesn't make any sense.

CC chargebacks and paypal clawing money back from allegedly non-compliant sellers is great if you wish to encourage people to act like lemmings. Everyone pays for this "insurance" policy in the form of higher fiat transaction costs. Sure it's fun to say as a buyer that PP roxxors, but when you're a seller and scammers are using paypal to receive both the goods AND steal back the agreed upon compensation it's not so great anymore. Bitcoin removes these shenanigans by putting the risk firmly where it belonged in the first place. People need to take responsibility for their own reckless decisions.

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It's a perfect payment method if the vendor is reputable (Apple, Intel, ASUS, etc.). They can lower their price because of no fraud problem but I agree that it's not a good payment method with a speculative company like all pre-order driven bitcoin miner vendor.

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Quote from: becoin on September 16, 2013, 01:38:27 PM

Quote from: zunimasa on September 16, 2013, 01:13:02 PM

Still waiting for my BFL jalapeño.. If I didn't pay in bitcoins I would of asked for a refund by now!

Unfortunately, BFL crooks have unequivocally showed us that Bitcoin is not the right currency for commerce.

i don't think it ever was or is a good method of payment online. It is great for privacy and wealth storage but not for handing out loans which is basically what a pre-order is.

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Quote from: zunimasa on September 16, 2013, 01:13:02 PM

Still waiting for my BFL jalapeño.. If I didn't pay in bitcoins I would of asked for a refund by now!

Unfortunately, BFL crooks have unequivocally showed us that Bitcoin is not the right currency for commerce.

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Still waiting for my BFL jalapeño.. If I didn't pay in bitcoins I would of asked for a refund by now!

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Quote from: pokerFace2 on September 16, 2013, 04:45:27 AM

Quote from: iHashFury on September 15, 2013, 05:11:35 PM

Still waiting for my BFL Jalapeno!

Yes, but it really depends when you ordered, where you are in line.

But I doubt there will be day when BFL ships in next 3 business days after your order Cheesy

Given that bfl is taking non-transferable pre-orders for their next gen vaporware product It seems a safe conclusion that they're content to keep the current scheme running for the foreseeable future. They missed an opportunity to improve their standing by funding their next gen device (monarch) with funding already in place from the sale of their sc line. This would have allowed them to join ASICMiner as the only vendor shipping gear immediately upon receipt of payment.

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Quote from: iHashFury on September 15, 2013, 05:11:35 PM

Still waiting for my BFL Jalapeno!

Yes, but it really depends when you ordered, where you are in line.

But I doubt there will be day when BFL ships in next 3 business days after your order Cheesy

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Quote from: iHashFury on September 15, 2013, 05:11:35 PM

Still waiting for my BFL Jalapeno!

Same here :-(

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Still waiting for my BFL Jalapeno!

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