Topic: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM - page 42. (Read 415652 times)

What greater honor can there be on these forums than to be accused of lying by the most notorious liar in the BTC uniiverse.

The only words out of your mouth in the last two years that have not been a lie, dumbass, are the words, "I think all BFL customers are assholes", which you haved posted many times, in many forms.

Now I know you will respond to this post, because the only posts you respond to are the ones that threaten the flow of newbies/derps into the pit that is a BFL purchase.

If I had posted a question to you about delivery, or refund, all I would get is a loud silence.

COO of a thieving clusterfuck - wear that title with honor on your way to prison or a civil forfeiture.

Josh stokes the fire he's standing on. Classic. Thread re-invigorated. 

Except... that is a complete lie.

The difficulty would be in excess of where it is now in February if we had shipped in November, so he'd make less than he's making now.

Love it how suddenly their are random newbies with <10 activity saying "My bfl unit is doing great!"
They look like socks for crying out loud, Most people that ordered a jally way the Frig back then, Would USUALLY have an account on this forum.
Odds are thats Where they found out about BFL, These forums.
Am I supposed to believe that people Lurked without an account for the entire time their bfl miner Constantly kept getting delays (average wait time about 8 months?) and only bothered to make a forum account After they recieved the unit, for the seemingly sole purpose of that account being to speak positivly about BFL?

In the first month of your new rig, you will make about $145, minus electricity.

Imagine how pleased you would have been if you had your rig in February, when you ordered it.  You would have made $1800 in your first month, minus electricity.  BTC were 1/4 then what the are now, but network hash rate was 1/48 then what it is now.  You would have been 12 times as pleased as you are now.

Or imagine how pleased you would be now if you had purchased BTC in February.  Your $250 in February would be $1100 now. 

I wonder where that $850 in BTC went.  I wonder who has it.

not very likely according the backlog:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/

What do you mean "already"? You paid for a product in March and received it in September and you're pleased with that service?

I did my preorder in march and my Jalapenos are already at my desk and mining B-)

I pre-ordered early february, and got my jalapeno about 3 weeks ago. Great little rig, i knew it was going to be a long wait and i was ok with that. Sure their customer service sucks, but i knew that going in to it. I am pleased with my rig.

I was thinking of getting one but I heard about the really terrible delivery time, but now with the more recent USB Asic sticks that now have a reasonable performance, I think ill pass BFL and go for a few of the sticks

Well, as you can see, BFL crooks have broken the law in every possible way!

Thank you very much for sharing these precious and hard earned information with us!

Preorder is fine if the law is not broken:

http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

Preorder business model is only good for trusted big companies. I guess many people got tricked to BTC preorder 

Maybe they pay the judgement with monarchs.  LOL

The only issue with small claims court is it does not force the defendant to pay. It only issues a judgement against the defendant, so it is still the person who sues responsibility to recover damages. At least it would show they have a judgement against them.

They will be shipped when you can no longer even mine enough to break even.

Refunds with PP are fine. Much worse are BTC orders 

You should be fine with paypal, even if you didnt use the CC:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/need-a-paypal-refund-for-your-bfl-purchase-295187

If you can't get a refund any other way, you might consider small claims court, which is specifically designed for small problems like this (<$10,000).

In most states, you don't need a lawyer.  In fact, in many states you can't use a lawyer.  Also, as a buyer of a product, you can file in the state where you purchased.  In other words, you don't need to file in the state where BFL is located.  

The process is fairly straight forward.  1) Send BFL a letter of intent to sue.  2) File with the small claims court.  3) Serve the party you are suing.  4) Collect your Evidence. (Sales contract, order status, etc)  5) Go to the court hearing.  

If the party you are suing fails to show at the hearing, then you may win by default.  This works well for parties that just don't bother to respond to their customers.

This process creates a problem for the one being sued because if claims like this are filed in multiple states, it may be cheaper for them to settle then to go to all the hearings.  Sometimes they will settle after the letter of intent is received because they realize that the process of fighting the claim will be more expensive than settling the claim.  But if they try to fight the claim, they will lose anyway because they haven't delivered their product or issued a refund.