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February 09, 2024, 08:47:36 AM
There are probably better HODLers than me, and I consider myself a bit of a contradiction because ever since mid-to-late 2015, I started to put into practice a sell on the way up strategy, and when I first started doing it I made quite a few mistakes, but I have honed my system several times over the years.. and there are quite a few members who criticize me for such practice with claims that I should not sell any of my BTC, even if I am saying that I have it already figured out in such a way that I can sell and that I never will run out of BTC.
I understand the resentment that comes with selling Bitcoin especially when you make it public. I think it ought not to be because without buying and selling, the natural sequence of buying and selling will be distorted and it becomes difficult to measure the liquidity of Bitcoin and impact of Bitcoin. Selling of Bitcoin is not bad but how you go about the selling can actually turn out to be harmful to your asset and at variance with the very reason you accumulated the Bitcoin.

Every Bitcoin investor will, at some point, think about how to liquidate part of his assets for the funds to be used in other things that make life worth living. The selling can be in such a way that the investor does not run out of BTC, just like JJG recommended in his withdrawal strategy that I am still going through. Many of us may not know the power behind that piece of information because we are still probably in the accumulation phase. But a time will come that we will need something like that to be able to withdraw some of our Bitcoin without harming the entire portfolio.


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February 09, 2024, 07:54:52 AM
New investors (like me) can come to a crossroads in choosing their strategy buy the dip and hold. Each comes with its distinct advantages and challenges, but only one is right for us.

Have to enough asset "Buy and hold."

we you someone who jumps in when the market seems to be on sale eager to capitalize on temporary price fluctuations and earn high profits? Or, do find comfort in a longer-term perspective letting your investments grow gradually over time with a more hands off approach?

First things, what is buying the dip? This refers to an investment strategy where investors purchase stocks after a decline in prices, capitalizing on the belief that the drop is a temporary setback and prices will rebound.

Maybe it's like buying your favorite brand when it goes on sale. BTC market might react to short-term negative news causing prices to plummet but for investors who have done their homework these moments can offer buying opportunities. All actually finding "the dip" is easier said than done. It's are all worth for insights on this challenge.

Buying and holding often referred to as a long-term investment strategy involves purchasing retaining them for an extended period, regardless of market volatility.

The underlying belief is that in the long run the price of BTC will provide a good rate of return despite periods of decline or instability.
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February 09, 2024, 06:52:57 AM
In as much as one believes in the existence of Bitcoin and as a coin worth investing prioritizing profits maximization over time without considering that things could go side ways can also be bad, irrespective of the fact that every business or investment is built on profits maximization, there can be loss too, tomorrow  they said is pregnant and filled with uncertainty being ready to accept that there can be loss too  and  even considering what the worst situation could be not just  looking at the profit side of it.
You shouldn't have that mindset if your intentions for Bitcoin is for holding because in as much as we may not really know what will be the exact worth of Bitcoin in the future but one thing we no is that you will never regret investing on Bitcoin because the future is bright and very transparent to easily see the possibilities, so perhaps I would advise you to remove your mindset on other alternatives that you feel could easily fetch you profit because you could get into a trouble with your investment, secondly I disagree with you on the aspect you feel that things could go sideways on Bitcoin, truly it may likely go sideways if your intentions are for short term profit making but however if your intentions are for holding Bitcoin for a long term I'm very confident that your investment will never go sideways because any price movement or volatility will not be your concern because your focus is the future and not current price fluctuations, so actually one of the most determining factor to your Bitcoin investment success is the ability to hold.
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February 09, 2024, 05:50:42 AM
As we move into the future, the demand for Bitcoin is increasing along with the basic needs. I think if a person invests properly by following the DCA method, he can definitely prove himself as an ideal investor. It is better to invest from present time, like me (I have kept my investment alive for 14 months) I also want to make my investment for long term. I got to see my portfolio and it made me want to invest more. So 10% of my income I invest here for long term following DCA method. This is a proper journey that I learned from JJG text.
with the recent event around the globe that has contributed positively in the adoption and use of Bitcoin by a large majority of people, this is going to be the best time to accumulate as much bitcoin as possible.

I kind of like your strategy of investing 10% of your earning into accumulation additional bitcoin to your holdings because it kind of give you the leverage to be consistent with your accumulation and for the fact that you've been able to  accumulate it up to the fourteenth month would serve as a serious motivation to keep holding for a longer period of time. This for me is the realest way of investing using the DCA method. If you're able to buy with a percentage of your monthly earning that would still give you the freedom of meeting up your expenses with the left over of your monthly income then you're definitely on the right track.

The funny thing about the use of the DCA method in accumulating bitcoin is that we actually use a similar method as this in my locality to make savings that we will later take back at the end of the year.  You literally pay like 2% of your salary at the end of every week to someone who will keep it for you and will come back every week to take the 2% and because the amount is practically small, you just give it out and if you consistently do it for all the weeks of the year, at the end of the year you revive a huge sum of money in return with no interest at all. The DCA method is an advanced way of making such a tiny investment that has an added advantage of yielding profit if the holder is able to exercise patience long enough.
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February 09, 2024, 05:50:15 AM
and your profit will keep on generating more profit with timeline.
In as much as one believes in the existence of Bitcoin and as a coin worth investing prioritizing profits maximization over time without considering that things could go side ways can also be bad, irrespective of the fact that every business or investment is built on profits maximization, there can be loss too, tomorrow  they said is pregnant and filled with uncertainty being ready to accept that there can be loss too  and  even considering what the worst situation could be not just  looking at the profit side of it. This will give you  the emotional rest as you are growing your investment and don't forget the saying that don't invest more than what you can afford to loss.
Losses in bitcoin can always be recovered provided you don't sell off your position when there is a dump and bitcoin price is on a decline. This is one special quality that makes bitcoin very unique from other investments Yes it could be that there is a down trend and your capital invested is below what you invested, all you just need is patient and removing your attention off the market for the time being and never be tempted to sell off, as many weaker hands do. 0.5 BTC will always give you the same amount in dollars when the price get back to the range you bought it from. So when the price dump from where you bought from to another price level below it, you will only lose if you sell it. but if you hold it until the price get back to that level again where you bought from, you will get your capital intact and your continual holding will guarantee profit. Bitcoin was trading below $45k earlier this week and those who bought in this region before the dump to $39k and are still holding till now that bitcoin is  trading above $46k as at when writing this post have recovered their capital and are in profit. This is just to say that you never loss in bitcoin investment provided you keep holding your position.
People who often see's the dump as a big deal are those who buy in lump sum at a particular price fast forward to seeing the price go downside from their entry point. Seeing this, will only raise too much thought and pressure, this is one of the ways where the DCA strategy has an upper hand because there is no reason to bother about the price DIP, if the price of Bitcoin decides to skyrocket or do the opposite, it becomes quite a huge favor seeing the price depreciating in value, as it will help accumulate more Bitcoin.

As we move into the future, the demand for Bitcoin is increasing along with the basic needs. I think if a person invests properly by following the DCA method, he can definitely prove himself as an ideal investor. It is better to invest from present time, like me (I have kept my investment alive for 14 months) I also want to make my investment for long term. I got to see my portfolio and it made me want to invest more. So 10% of my income I invest here for long term following DCA method. This is a proper journey that I learned from JJG text.
Bitcoin is getting more adopted globally, so many restrictions has been lifted, countries and individuals are now finding the importance of Bitcoin. Interesting facts about Bitcoin is allowing both the average earners and the wealthy to both pertake in becoming Bitcoin owners, where the average earners will apply the DCA technique to maximize profit and deem it comfortable during the whole process of investing.
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February 09, 2024, 05:47:22 AM
and your profit will keep on generating more profit with timeline.
In as much as one believes in the existence of Bitcoin and as a coin worth investing prioritizing profits maximization over time without considering that things could go side ways can also be bad, irrespective of the fact that every business or investment is built on profits maximization, there can be loss too, tomorrow  they said is pregnant and filled with uncertainty being ready to accept that there can be loss too  and  even considering what the worst situation could be not just  looking at the profit side of it. This will give you  the emotional rest as you are growing your investment and don't forget the saying that don't invest more than what you can afford to loss.
Losses in bitcoin can always be recovered provided you don't sell off your position when there is a dump and bitcoin price is on a decline. This is one special quality that makes bitcoin very unique from other investments Yes it could be that there is a down trend and your capital invested is below what you invested, all you just need is patient and removing your attention off the market for the time being and never be tempted to sell off, as many weaker hands do. 0.5 BTC will always give you the same amount in dollars when the price get back to the range you bought it from. So when the price dump from where you bought from to another price level below it, you will only lose if you sell it. but if you hold it until the price get back to that level again where you bought from, you will get your capital intact and your continual holding will guarantee profit. Bitcoin was trading below $45k earlier this week and those who bought in this region before the dump to $39k and are still holding till now that bitcoin is  trading above $46k as at when writing this post have recovered their capital and are in profit. This is just to say that you never loss in bitcoin investment provided you keep holding your position.

That's how important that we familiarize bitcoin characteristic so that we will not get panic on the little drop happening since bitcoin would surely recover after correction happen.

For sure there's a lot of people learn something from past price occurred where bitcoin dumps so bad but now it recover at $46k and it slowly reaching at $47k anytime today. This mean that if we encounter some negatives on our portfolio we should not get panic since its just a paper loss and there's still a huge chance that we can recover that's why we should not get panic in those situation and continue to use bitcoin normally as if you want to invest or trade it.

We can see now how lucky those people who accumulate at $39k price since at short time span they are already gaining a lot especially if they accumulate huge volume at that time also there's big potential that they can even earn more from this since bullish run for bitcoin is I think bound to happen.
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February 09, 2024, 04:32:07 AM
So it means that DCA is the best strategy to use for portfolio diversification.
Mate, there is no need to diversify your portfolio if you have accumulated the amount of bitcoin that you want to accumulate. After you have achieved the amount of bitcoin you want to accumulate, you can diversify by starting a real-life business such as selling commodities or real estate so that you will have more sources of income that will take care of your financial needs and you can be able to hold your bitcoin portfolio until the year you wish to sell it.
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Trading and holding differ significantly from DCA. In Trading you need to learn the sentiment of the market. In the term of Technical analysis, after that, you can trade in it or hold it. So I mean, trading buddy needs a lot of effort. As it has to be seen from every perspective, it means technical analysis + fundamental analysis and specific time has to be given i.e., time entry has to be done when the market situation allows it. And if you lose, it cannot be recovered, despite the fact that in DCA, you have to put less effort into trading. That is, you have to consistently invest with less effort, and if you do lose, you can easily recover it on another diversification.
I agree with you that trading and holding are two different things because trading has to do with buying bitcoin at a low price and selling it when the bitcoin price is high for a short-term profit. For instance, you can buy bitcoin when the price is $40k, and when the price rises to $43k, you can sell your bitcoin and take a little profit. Holding has to do with holding your bitcoin portfolio for the long term, even when the bitcoin price is increasing or decreasing. For instance, if you accumulate your bitcoin when the bitcoin price is at $40k and the bitcoin price rises to $50k, but you keep holding on to the expected year you want to sell your bitcoin.
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February 09, 2024, 04:10:41 AM
As we move into the future, the demand for Bitcoin is increasing along with the basic needs. I think if a person invests properly by following the DCA method, he can definitely prove himself as an ideal investor. It is better to invest from present time, like me (I have kept my investment alive for 14 months) I also want to make my investment for long term. I got to see my portfolio and it made me want to invest more. So 10% of my income I invest here for long term following DCA method. This is a proper journey that I learned from JJG text.
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February 09, 2024, 04:05:54 AM
and your profit will keep on generating more profit with timeline.
In as much as one believes in the existence of Bitcoin and as a coin worth investing prioritizing profits maximization over time without considering that things could go side ways can also be bad, irrespective of the fact that every business or investment is built on profits maximization, there can be loss too, tomorrow  they said is pregnant and filled with uncertainty being ready to accept that there can be loss too  and  even considering what the worst situation could be not just  looking at the profit side of it. This will give you  the emotional rest as you are growing your investment and don't forget the saying that don't invest more than what you can afford to loss.
Losses in bitcoin can always be recovered provided you don't sell off your position when there is a dump and bitcoin price is on a decline. This is one special quality that makes bitcoin very unique from other investments Yes it could be that there is a down trend and your capital invested is below what you invested, all you just need is patient and removing your attention off the market for the time being and never be tempted to sell off, as many weaker hands do. 0.5 BTC will always give you the same amount in dollars when the price get back to the range you bought it from. So when the price dump from where you bought from to another price level below it, you will only lose if you sell it. but if you hold it until the price get back to that level again where you bought from, you will get your capital intact and your continual holding will guarantee profit. Bitcoin was trading below $45k earlier this week and those who bought in this region before the dump to $39k and are still holding till now that bitcoin is  trading above $46k as at when writing this post have recovered their capital and are in profit. This is just to say that you never loss in bitcoin investment provided you keep holding your position.
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February 09, 2024, 04:01:26 AM
There are probably better HODLers than me, and I consider myself a bit of a contradiction because ever since mid-to-late 2015, I started to put into practice a sell on the way up strategy, and when I first started doing it I made quite a few mistakes, but I have honed my system several times over the years.. and there are quite a few members who criticize me for such practice with claims that I should not sell any of my BTC, even if I am saying that I have it already figured out in such a way that I can sell and that I never will run out of BTC.

Actually, there are better holders than you but the question should be that are they applying same strategy as you and again those that hodl more than you have they been able to also impact the knowledge of hodling to other people? Inasmuch as I know that this thread BUY the DIP and HODL was created as far back as 2019 and you've been the only one keeping the thread active since then that's to show your love a passion for hodlers regardless of some mistakes you did made in the past but here you're now teaching and advising people that are ready and willing to buy and hodl for a long time.

Some persons just hodl at a fixed amount and stop buying and hodling but with the DCA is has made it possible for everyone to take part in this hodling process as some persons that would have felt that the price of Bitcoin has gotten to a certain amount that is unaffordable have now been using the DCA with the optimism that they are gonna reach their desired goal someday thereby they would have a clear story to tell their children or the younger generation on how they were patient enough to buy and hodl for a long interval of time before they were able to achieve a certain length of success in their investment journey and it would stand as a yardstick to also motivate the younger ones on the need to be patient enough to achieve great results because one of the things that's affecting humans is lack of patience forgetting to understand that the future hold greater achievement than now.

Being a great hodler isn't only about being selfish and doesn't want others to have same perception as you do, but by bringing up good ideas that would motivate others to also take part in what you do and what you are doing because we lead by example so for you to have been spending most of your time to attend to this thread of BUY the DIP and HODL means you're a great hodler and a good motivator. though with the nature of things now waiting for a DIP may take longer time and one can even lose interest of buying due to the fact that a DIP may not occur or might occur at a time we least expected but by using the DCA it's obvious that we would keep buying and hodling no matter the quantity we are able to afford.

Selling part of ones BTC may not actually be too good for now since we're having a speculation of the price surpassing the previous ATH so for now we should be in the buying and hodling process till it attains a certain level of ATH.
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February 09, 2024, 03:01:08 AM
you shouldn't procicute yourself over selling some stash Wayback when there was an uptrend. at a point in every one's life there is that tempting sensation that make you feel to sell off, and you might end up selling some stash but that doesn't change anything from you. let by gone be by gone. what matters is how you where able to make some corrections and still keep to the rules. by now I know your wallet will be like a straw berry, waiting to chop off. LOLs


Exactly, Bitcoin investment should be made based on self conviction by staying objective and think long term because Bitcoin will keep maturing and adoption growing steadily of which patient and due diligence remain a vital key, it is a new world of digital assets and decentralized finance.

Approach based on predifine criteria tremendously helps remove emotions driven decision making, one should  continually refine investment process based on lessons learnt by remaining flexible to new information.
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February 09, 2024, 01:59:57 AM
I understand your emphasis on the stability of the source of funds but about job security, sometimes it will be somehow difficult to determine the security of the job. That being said, I do not see the need to use the though of job security as a factor because it could be like complicating the entire planning process.
factors like Job security isn't something that Is insignificant to be looked into in your Bitcoin holding plan because if at any point in time you loose your job, the next thing that comes to mind is your saved funds that can sustain you until you find something else to do. And would you want to stay hungry when you can use part of your holdings to sort out your financial needs?

It's important that as you make your investment, you don't play with your primary source of income. As a matter of necessity, it's even best to take your normal job seriously as though you don't have any investment at all. One of the major issue most long term holders face is the distraction that comes from knowing that they have somewhere to fall back at and so sometimes they might become too relaxed and unserious with their jobs because they have a backup that they can fall back to. Of course this is a shallow mentality that isn't right in it entirety and wouldn't encourage us to becoming better bitcoin holders.

In addition, if you bring in so many unnecessary factors into the equation, it can only lead to discouragement, procrastination, and eventually lack of investment into Bitcoin.
i think that it depends more on the individual in question and the reason for bringing those factors into consideration. If you know what you're doing and you're making plans such as setting out emergency funds and also ensuring that you take your job seriously just do you don't at any point in time go back to your holding, it's a reasonable thing to do.

A procrastinator will always procrastinate and the excuse he gives doesn't really make any difference but we are not talking about them, we are more concerned with people that have already started accumulating no matter how little it might be and are setting out things that will encourage them to be patience with their holding.
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February 09, 2024, 01:47:51 AM
Financial advice is very often aimed at Newbies because of their limited knowledge in this industry,

Mate, I disagree with this choice of words limited knowledge in this industry, is it has been said severally that any one that has this self conviction and believe in the existing of Bitcoin and sees it as a coin worth investing just need the a basic knowledge to start his Bitcoin investment.

This is to say that knowledge about Bitcoin is still limited to both new investors and the experience investors reason being that Bitcoin is a fast growing asset that is giving room for corrections and new things are still being introduced in the industry and at such knowledge about Bitcoin is still increasing and limited to both new and experience investors. And on the other hand Financial advice should solely depend on the invest incase things goes side ways he has no one to be blamed but him self.
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February 09, 2024, 01:20:36 AM
so somehow some of these folks who might already be in the habit of not saving/investing much might end up getting prejudiced if they do not buy bitcoin directly, at least with part of their investment portfolio.. and the recommended amount to allocate to bitcoin is becoming higher and higher, and even if bitcoin is the very first investment, it could take years and years before the size of anyone's bitcoin investment becomes large enough to start to consider some kind of need to invest in any other assets besides bitcoin and cash.
that's true. fear of investing and holding for long is one of the key factor why most of this people dont invest in bitcoin knowing true well that Bitcoin investment is not a get rich quick scheme. people are also careful and skeptical of the fast increase of Bitcoin thinking that it's becoming more expensive to buy just like you said that "the recommended amount to allocate to bitcoin is becoming higher and higher", they develop a prejudice  or a discriminational feeling. just like earlier this week btc was $42k and today btc price has pumped to the level of $46k, it makes some folks efficacy to be proven abortive. that made them kin to their prejudice situation and their expectancy of btc to fall dip for them to buy may never be possible. may be feeling the notion that they wish it could fall below $30k for them to buy, but such situation may never be possible except by mistake.


There are probably better HODLers than me,
there may be probably better HODLers than you, but I speak about you, because frequent conversation i had with you earlier, shows that you are a great HODLer. and that has inspired you to educate more people on investment plan, because you develop your time to make sure you educate more folks on investment. and probably some pay deaf ears and pretend to flow along, but it to their own detriment because when btc price grows so high that they wouldn't be able to buy anymore, they will come back crying to you and by then it's already late to say had I know. to me you are not only long time HODLer, but also role model and a boss. one of the reason is TIME. time is precious and when you use it to educate people, it should also be reciprocated by action not by repetition. because repetition without action is a waste of time but I know many folks will kin to the dip and HODL for a better future ahead.

and I consider myself a bit of a contradiction because ever since mid-to-late 2015, I started to put into practice a sell on the way up strategy, and when I first started doing it I made quite a few mistakes, but I have honed my system several times over the years.. and there are quite a few members who criticize me for such practice with claims that I should not sell any of my BTC, even if I am saying that I have it already figured out in such a way that I can sell and that I never will run out of BTC.

you shouldn't procicute yourself over selling some stash Wayback when there was an uptrend. at a point in every one's life there is that tempting sensation that make you feel to sell off, and you might end up selling some stash but that doesn't change anything from you. let by gone be by gone. what matters is how you where able to make some corrections and still keep to the rules. by now I know your wallet will be like a straw berry, waiting to chop off. LOLs
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February 08, 2024, 11:47:20 PM
I really don't think job security is paramount here in things to consider before investing into Bitcoin, because in life anything can happen, even the job you feel that is secure, they might just lay you off for no just reason, because life is unpredictable, and that is more of the reason why we should not play with our savings and emergency fund, because that is what going to keep you going till you get another job.

A job is definitely needed to keep bitcoin investment right, if you are out of a job then you can decide to sell your bitcoin holdings if you face any danger. So this is why the job is special, you can keep your investment active in the Bitcoin DCA method with a portion of the income from the job. There must be an external source of income to meet basic human needs. Bitcoin holdings would not be sustainable for long without eros.

Try to understand me correctly,  I never said having a job is not an important factor in things to consider before venturing into Bitcoin investment, what I said was that, job security is not that paramount to things to consider before venturing into Bitcoin investment since we live in a world of uncertainty.

I believe that you are very aware that a man cannot do away with his job or business, because that is what put food on his table, so if he is being stop, like he was sack or his business is not profitable again, it going to affect every sector of his life, not just the Bitcoin investment, so a source of income is very important to keep up with the ability to not just to fund his DCA strategy, but also to put food on the table, that's why it's important to have saving and emergency fund which one can fall back to if situation like these arise, and that would sustain you till you get another job.
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February 08, 2024, 11:21:04 PM
I really don't think job security is paramount here in things to consider before investing into Bitcoin, because in life anything can happen, even the job you feel that is secure, they might just lay you off for no just reason, because life is unpredictable, and that is more of the reason why we should not play with our savings and emergency fund, because that is what going to keep you going till you get another job.

A job is definitely needed to keep bitcoin investment right, if you are out of a job then you can decide to sell your bitcoin holdings if you face any danger. So this is why the job is special, you can keep your investment active in the Bitcoin DCA method with a portion of the income from the job. There must be an external source of income to meet basic human needs. Bitcoin holdings would not be sustainable for long without eros.
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February 08, 2024, 11:10:14 PM
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This is why newbies that wants to start investing in bitcoin. should have a long term goal, and should only use a little amount that he can afford to let go or will not be needing for a long period of time for regular DCA weekly or monthly. This will limit the risk and make him not to worry about hodling for long. If that investor along the line of his bitcoin journey have understand more about bitcoin and have strong faith on bitcoin, he can then increase the money that he was using for DCAing.
Financial advice is very often aimed at Newbies because of their limited knowledge in this industry, newbies must do it slowly according to the funds they are ready to lose. Carrying out regular weekly or monthly DCA is a very profitable strategy in the long term, this type of investment strategy carries very little risk due to the increasing price of Bitcoin. Confidence in Bitcoin can make investors able to hold it longer even if there is a slight correction, assets that have been saved can be maintained by increasing the amount of assets periodically at a slightly cheaper price.

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Anyone that cannot discipline himself and sacrifice for the future by not using the opportunity that bitcoins gives now to invest in a long term so that he can hodli, and build his bitcoin portfolio, will live to regret his mistakes in future, when they will see how bitcoin will transform a lot of people lives that was able to sacrifice and hodli till that time. Bitcoin investment is my first investment that I have ever had, this is because it is stress free and you don't need to have any papers or documents, or start moving from one place to the other. Yours is to just invest, grow your investment. and hodli for a very long time, and your profit will keep on generating more profit with timeline. Nobody will know that you have any investment, because it is a not a physical investment. I think it is the most unique amongst all investment, so it is worth investing into.
Discipline, courage and not easily panicking can provide a better future. It is not easy to go through this journey due to the market continuing to fluctuate, Newbies must be patient and increase the courage to endure it longer for the main goal of changing their lives in the future. Bitcoin provides opportunities, only people who dare to make decisions will get these opportunities.
Bitcoin investment has provided many benefits for investors, Bitcoin investors will certainly be safer than saving fiat money at home. No one knows you have Bitcoin as long as you don't tell other people, the best steps to protect yourself and asset security need to be increased to prevent unwanted things from happening.
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February 08, 2024, 07:32:08 PM
Job security has to be considered too when someone has finally decide to start his bitcoin investment journey. One has to be certain that your job has to be really secured, and not a kind of job that won't last long. Job security should not be underestimated because if you have chosen to invest through DCA make sure that your job or source of income isn't something that's going to be terminated on a short run.
I understand your emphasis on the stability of the source of funds but about job security, sometimes it will be somehow difficult to determine the security of the job. That being said, I do not see the need to use the though of job security as a factor because it could be like complicating the entire planning process. In addition, if you bring in so many unnecessary factors into the equation, it can only lead to discouragement, procrastination, and eventually lack of investment into Bitcoin.

I have known that there is no perfect thing in any business with Bitcoin investment inclusive. There is no perfect time, no perfect entry price, no perfect buying strategy, all we are doing is just take the best approach in the midst of many options. So we will not wait until we get the perfect job, perfect cashflow, and perfect everything before we start accumulating Bitcoin. When we are confronted with a situation of things like job security, the best thing to do is to assume the job is sustainable and will not be terminated any moment. We could play that way and hope for the best. If it is also a contract signed for certain number of years with possible chances of extension, we can plan with the earnings for the number of years of the contract without extension so that even if the extension did not happen, we will be fine. In this case, we will become more aggressive in seeking alternative sources of income within the time you have to the expiration of the contract.
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February 08, 2024, 06:38:19 PM
Get the context. The point is not about being the best investment because of price movement or ROI, the point is being the best investment in a particular sector because the HODLer is assured that the investment will continue to exist for decades.
I understand your thought and what you really mean, but I was just trying to be specific on the importance of Bitcoin over the other forms of investment. You know each time I hear people speak of Bitcoin, it sparks up my minds and want to talk and emphasis on it, for people to know the importance of Bitcoin. because I just feel like any discussion without Bitcoin is like I am not adding something to my Brian or not reminding my self of what I have chose over other investment. Not that I don't know that you just listed the other forms of investment but I was just trying to still let you know how important Bitcoin  investment is still important than the other investment.

Plus ser, I'm not comparing Gold and Stocks with Bitcon, then saying that they're better than Bitcoin. In fact, I'm in the part of my journey that believes each has its pros and cons.
We are on the same track and would love you to still maintain to the nation that Bitcoin investment is the best investment and DCA is the best strategy of investment if am not mistaken Grin, I don't know about you. But holding for long is the slogan and that is what keeps the DIP and HODL family going for long. The DIP and HODL thread, is like an initiation process of making your conversant with the orientation of holding for long. and whenever you hear any matters arising from a different direction it make you feel like you have mised the track. Just hold and as the slogan may be, but put in practice. Because practice is more important than hearing everyday without doing.

I think that you are on the right track to suggest that in this thread we should primary be thinking about bitcoin, even though surely some guys are going to have other investments and sometimes we might have to make comparisons that also might include considering why bitcoin is a better investment, but even if bitcoin is a better investment, some folks will come to bitcoin and they will already have some of those various other investments, so they might be left with choices regarding the extent to reallocate some of their exposure from some of those other investments or even whether to continue to invest in those other investments, and these are not necessarily easy choices, and even employer retirement plans (such as 401k) might have matching contributions that complement the tax advantage posture of those investments, which can create a lot of dilemmas for folks who are figuring out where to put their money first, especially when so many folks are already used to NOT investing even to buy property or to have 401ks.. ...

so somehow some of these folks who might already be in the habit of not saving/investing much might end up getting prejudiced if they do not buy bitcoin directly, at least with part of their investment portfolio.. and the recommended amount to allocate to bitcoin is becoming higher and higher, and even if bitcoin is the very first investment, it could take years and years before the size of anyone's bitcoin investment becomes large enough to start to consider some kind of need to invest in any other assets besides bitcoin and cash.

When I started hearing about DCA or HODL, I didn't took it serious, but at a time goes on, i asked myself that if I spent my time everyday here in this forum hearing about Bitcoin investment without Puting it in practice, I will later have myself to be blamed. If I learn without investing in my wallet, what will be of me? That is.. I have totally wasted my time. So I picked the courage and started long time with the little I could afford. So am proud to be a holder! all thanks to JJG he is the father of al holders.

There are probably better HODLers than me, and I consider myself a bit of a contradiction because ever since mid-to-late 2015, I started to put into practice a sell on the way up strategy, and when I first started doing it I made quite a few mistakes, but I have honed my system several times over the years.. and there are quite a few members who criticize me for such practice with claims that I should not sell any of my BTC, even if I am saying that I have it already figured out in such a way that I can sell and that I never will run out of BTC.

I sell so small amounts that even if the price shot up to a $million, the amount that I sell would not even amount to very much.  I think that when I first started selling I would sell close to 15% for every 100% that the BTC price went up, even though my target was supposed to be 10% for every 100%, but these are kinds of ballpark figures that kind of worked themselves out, but the amount kept gravitating down, and it seems that now I am close to 5% for every 100% rise, even though if you think about it, if the price doubles that would mean that 50% of the bitcoin holdings would be profits, and some people (especially traders) consider that they can trade all of their profits and still be working with house money, but if you ponder further into the matter if the price keeps going up and at every doubling half of the BTC are sold as "profits," then such bitcoiner would never experience any compounding effect from his bitcoin holdings..so when most of the profits are allowed to continue to roll over, then in dollar value, the parts of the BTC holdings that roll over are compounding upon themselves over and over and over.

I also claim that I was ONLY able to employ this strategy to cash out on the way up based on my having had reached a position of both over accumulation and also because the BTC price had been going up in crazy-ass kinds of ways that justified using bitcoin's own volatility in a way to complement my own BTC holdings.. which surely is not a pure holding strategy but it still emphasizes HODL, and I don't even recommend anyone follows the same strategy as me until he has built his BTC stash up to a certain size in which he is MOSTLY no longer accumulating..... so there is a need to build the stash to a certain size before it even makes sense to transition into some other kind of strategy.. and how are we going to know when we have reached such accumulation level?

It seems to me that each of us has to figure out for ourselves when we reach that point in our BTC stash accumulation journey that we are able to start to employ something other than pure BTC accumulation and transition into something that is more akin to maintenance and the selling is not in order to buy back cheaper, but the selling does end up providing some insurance for buying back cheaper, as long as we are mostly selling within a formula that we are mostly selling from profits and not depleting our principle and not depleting the ability of our BTC stash to be able to compound on a regular basis... which it has done historically, even though it is not guaranteed to continue to do it... even though bitcoin's investment thesis seems to not really getting any weaker..

We likely also need to try to make sure that if we are transitioning into using any such strategy that starts to allow the sell BTC on the way up, our employment of such strategy presumes that we have reached a certain number of BTC that allows such strategy to be permissible, then a decently large amount of those BTC (maybe even 70% or more) have to be fairly strongly secured in either private wallets and/or some kind of cold storage, and none of us can exactly tell anyone else how to reach such status or how to assess that they have reasonably reached such status (without their own having had made an assessment error). 

I frequently question myself and even looking back at my own bitcoin history in terms of whether I really did manage my BTC as well as I should have had managed it, and sometimes my earlier assessment of what I was doing ends up varying from my going back and reviewing what I did when and why I did what I did... So in many senses, many of us may well make various mistakes along the way in our bitcoin journey, and sometimes we still may well end up having overall success (and even particular success), even though we may well have had made several significant mistakes along the way.

but then you should be able to measure your bitcoin portfolio building along the way and to adjust your strategy along the way too, even though you admit that currently you are not ready, willing and/or able to engage in building of your bitcoin holdings.. so maybe by nature you are a weak-handed kind of person... and you might not be ready for the big league of king daddy bitcoin, and you need to go fuck around with shitcoins for a while.... and maybe in the meantime, just figure out if there might be some small amount that you might be willing to put into bitcoin and forget about it.. and just continue to build your bitcoin without thinking about its cash value for the next 20 years.. can you even do that?
Anyone that cannot discipline himself and sacrifice for the future by not using the opportunity that bitcoins gives now to invest in a long term so that he can hodli, and build his bitcoin portfolio, will live to regret his mistakes in future, when they will see how bitcoin will transform a lot of people lives that was able to sacrifice and hodli till that time.

Some times it takes these losers a very long time to realize their mistakes.  I have a few friends who I sent a decent amount of bitcoin at various points between late 2014 and late 2016, and so you can imagine even relatively small amounts in dollar values are ending up to add up to quite a bit in times like this, and I even made some statements to suggest that they need to be guarding what I had sent them and maybe even buy some more of their own.. and sometimes they did both of those but then later down the road they lost courage and sold all their bitcoin.

Another example of a guy that I had sent many transactions in bitcoin over the years and he tended to just sell them or to not hold onto his coins, and when I saw him in mid 2022, I was a bit depressed about the price because it was bouncing around $20k and yeah there was a lot of trauma during those times, and when I continued to tell him that he might want to get started (or restarted) in his bitcoin accumulation, he suggested to me that this could be the top, and I agreed with him that it could be the top, even though it seemed more like a bottom to me, but I was not going to proclaim to know, even though I told him that it would probably be a good time to get in and just to DCA...

So even if he took a conservative approach and did not lump sum invest, but instead just invested $100 per week since the beginning of June 2022 until now, to date he would have had invested $8,900 and he would have had accumulated 0.411 BTC (currently worth $18,627), and surely in any event having 0.411 BTC would not be a bad place to be right now.. .. and surely anyone taking an even more aggressive investment stance would be even in a better position to be in profits and poised for the possibility of more UPpity... which surely is not guaranteed, but it feels good to have some cushion in your stash..

Think about that even if this friend of mine had front-loaded by investing $25k (and he made some mistakes since the BTC price was then around $20k.. but he ended up over paying) to buy a whole BTC and then carried out that same $100 per week DCA strategy, by now, he would have had invested a total of $33,900 and he would have accumulated 1.411 BTC (currently worth about $63,918), and that does not seem to be a bad place to be, even if it is seems to be a pretty large investment amount and even if he might continue to invest $100 per week, or maybe he might want to increase his investment amount, but even if he stays with $100 per week, he still would not necessarily be in a bad place, even though in western standards he still would be quite a way from reaching entry-level fuck you status.. since even my entry-level fuck you status chart is suggesting that it still might take around 7 BTC to be at entry-level fuck you status in 10 years.... but anyone who had already accumulated 1.411 BTC in the last couple of years might feel that it could be possible to work towards such a thing - even though none of us can really know what is affordable for anyone else.. so if he just sticks with $100 per week, he still might be able to reach 3 BTC in 16 years, which would also be western level entry level fuck you status by 2040-ish.

Bitcoin investment is my first investment that I have ever had, this is because it is stress free and you don't need to have any papers or documents, or start moving from one place to the other. Yours is to just invest, grow your investment. and hodli for a very long time, and your profit will keep on generating more profit with timeline. Nobody will know that you have any investment, because it is a not a physical investment. I think it is the most unique amongst all investment, so it is worth investing into.

You are not going to get any arguments from me in terms of focusing on bitcoin first and also the various advantages of bitcoin, yet at the same time, the larger your investment gets, the more you do have to make sure that a decent amount of your bitcoin is held in private wallets and/or cold storage (maybe 70% or more of it).  When your investment is smaller, it may not be as BIG of a deal, but even small investments can sometimes end up appreciating quite a bit in value.  I recall during 2017, I had some of my BTC holdings in various kinds of online wallets (and even on my phone), and I would never carry that much around on my phone, but was a kind of accident based on how fast the BTC price had gone up and I had not gotten my systems into place to be able to make sure that I held my coins in private ways and in cold storage kinds of ways that are not overly complicated, but they are complicated enough that it is not easy for anyone except for me to access them under the conditions that I have set, and including some ways in which I cannot even access them in very easy ways.. and many of us have also learned that we might not want to go into too many details about our own security set up even though we sometimes will discuss some of the possible ways to do it and even get into some specific suggestions which may or may not be exactly how we do it.. so there is some needs to make sure that it is not difficult but that it is not easy either... because no one would want to either have his coins taken or to have had lost his coins through his own over complications.

DCA is a crypto-tactical strategy

This is a bitcoin thread.  Hopefully no one is concluding that DCA works with shitcoins, because one of the presumptions regarding the benefits of DCA is that ultimately at some point the asset is going to go up in value and you will be advantaged by ongoing buying it because generally speaking its longterm trend is upward.. even though in the short term its trend might not be upward.    Except for bitcoin, you cannot presume that any shitcoin's trend is upward.. so hopefully people are not that dumb to buy shitcoins with such strategy, even though there are a lot of people who use the DCA term in shitcoins, and they might not realize that the shitcoin may well not have an upward trend.. ..so most likely we can say that DCA is likely to work with BTC, even though it is not even guaranteed to work in BTC, but at least bitcoin's investment thesis is likely strong enough that any of us should be ready, willing and able to DCA into bitcoin based on that kind of a presumption.. and the less confident that we are about bitcoin's likely ongoing upwards price trend, then the less that we should be investing, and the more confident that we are in bitcoin likely ongoing upward price trend, then we should be able to invest as aggressively that we are able to without going so far as to end up recking ourselves due to poor financial and/or psychological management.

Job security has to be considered too when someone has finally decide to start his bitcoin investment journey. One has to be certain that your job has to be really secured, and not a kind of job that won't last long. Job security should not be underestimated because if you have chosen to invest through DCA make sure that your job or source of income isn't something that's going to be terminated on a short run.
  yes one can actually loss his job, that is life full of uncertainty, but at most time it is advisable to have passive income streams which one  of it's enormous benefits is that it reduces the fear of job loss. It will become more easier for an individual to reach his financial goals when having a multiple streams of income by achieving them much quicker than if there was just one job, it helps in ensuring that you have a consistent and reliable source of income and at same time giving you that emotional rest needed to manage your asset properly.
In everything that we do in life, we should always have a backup to them, this will prevent us from suffering huge loss on them under any circumstances unforeseen to us, Ive seen someone having his job and still making bitcoin investment by trading partly, when he lost his job, then he fully have enough time to engage into trading in full, there's no much vacuum created as a result of loosing his job.

The security of our assets should also matters to us in a very big way, we cannot afford making silly mistakes with our investment funds when we are just thinking only in one direction.

Back up plans include emergency funds, and/or also other possible ways to earn money.. so we have to have some ideas about our cashflow and expenses situation to figure out how large we might need to keep our emergency funds and even some of our expenses might be discretionary too. but some might be somewhat sticky and not easy to change.
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Job security has to be considered too when someone has finally decide to start his bitcoin investment journey. One has to be certain that your job has to be really secured, and not a kind of job that won't last long. Job security should not be underestimated because if you have chosen to invest through DCA make sure that your job or source of income isn't something that's going to be terminated on a short run.
  yes one can actually loss his job, that is life full of uncertainty, but at most time it is advisable to have passive income streams which one  of it's enormous benefits is that it reduces the fear of job loss. It will become more easier for an individual to reach his financial goals when having a multiple streams of income by achieving them much quicker than if there was just one job, it helps in ensuring that you have a consistent and reliable source of income and at same time giving you that emotional rest needed to manage your asset properly.

Ensuring a stable financial foundation is crucial for safeguarding long-term Bitcoin investments and avoiding potential disruptions. This means having dependable streams of income to rely on, which act as a safety net, reducing the temptation to sell Bitcoin during times of financial strain. Without a reliable income source, individuals may feel compelled to liquidate their Bitcoin holdings in the face of unexpected expenses or emergencies, undermining their long-term investment strategy.

Additionally, even in the event of a consistent income stream, it is advisable to set up emergency savings in order to deal with unforeseen circumstances that might otherwise necessitate early Bitcoin sales. These savings serve as a safety net against monetary downturns, enabling investors to weather storms without having to liquidate their reserves of Bitcoin. In short, by placing equal emphasis on emergency funds and dependable income streams, investors can strengthen their ability to withstand short-term volatility and hold onto their Bitcoin investments for longer, ultimately optimizing their chances of long-term growth and stability in the volatile cryptocurrency market.
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