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February 12, 2024, 04:08:38 AM
I have three emergency funds for investments and always try to invest consistently but if I ever have a financial crisis I use my emergency fund for investments. But if I spend money from the emergency fund, I try to replenish that fund very quickly later because it keeps me more focused on my investments.

I think you got it wrong when you're using the term of emergency funds and investments. Emergency funds are there for any unexpected expenses that you're going to use.

While for investment, you have it planned and that's why you're going to use money there for exactly that will be there.

If you're in a financial crisis, that's when you'll be using your emergency funds but it's not just limited to that use. It's just so happen that I think that I understood it differently based on what you've said.

And you're doing the right thing of replenishing it once used.
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February 12, 2024, 03:31:20 AM
What is the actual importance of Bitcoin? If we merely talk about it as something that "will make people gain more from their investment", especially people who have yet to actually learn anything about it, it might sound like a Ponzi to those people, no?
in as much as gaining the basic knowledge about bitcoin is important, having a mere knowledge without application is a totall waste of time.
No knowledge is a waste actually. If it's not handy for you at the moment it will surely benefit you at one stage in your life. That you are not applying it now doesn't mean you won't apply it later. There are people who tend to understand more of the theory before venturing into practical aspect of it.

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Their are times when basic knowledge is important and their are boards and threads assigned for such discussion, and from what has been regularly reiterated here, those that lack the basic knowledge on bitcoin investment have been regular advice to go back and do the necessary research and come back to the thread so they can contribute positively and meaningfully.
There is no need in sending anyone who has no basic knowledge about bitcoin to go back and research elsewhere before coming back here. They can also learn from here. Where is the best place to learn from I not in the midst of people who has been in bitcoin for long and are continually sharing their knowledge. They can learn here, the only thing is they can do more of reading than posting.

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February 12, 2024, 01:25:29 AM
What is the actual importance of Bitcoin? If we merely talk about it as something that "will make people gain more from their investment", especially people who have yet to actually learn anything about it, it might sound like a Ponzi to those people, no?
in as much as gaining the basic knowledge about bitcoin is important, having a mere knowledge without application is a totall waste of time. Their are times when basic knowledge is important and their are boards and threads assigned for such discussion, and from what has been regularly reiterated here, those that lack the basic knowledge on bitcoin investment have been regular advice to go back and do the necessary research and come back to the thread so they can contribute positively and meaningfully.

Investing in bitcoin is basically the primary thing that makes you an active member of the forum because you can't really share an experience in this field when you've not started accumilating bitcoin and you've not used a particular strategy you've either learnt from the board, the head or one that is convenient for you. The whole essens of the forum and the reason why it is the most active bitcoin forum is because the people here are not mere motivational speakers that read shit about bitcoin and are sharing the knowledge based on what they learnt. This is a conglomerate of experienced and new investor that shares their wealth of experience with new investors all for the whole essence of making profitable investment
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February 11, 2024, 11:33:56 PM
You didn't get my points, talking about p2p isn't about exchanging Bitcoin with fiat but rather as a means of performing transactions with one another, okay after you must have accumulated as many bitcoin as you can will you just leave it their for decoration or remembrance? Not actually as you would also want to use part of it to afford some things you needed in life and you can buy from people that uses Bitcoin as a medium of payment as well that's my point so don't misinterpret what I'm saying when I talk about p2p because I'm actually referring to a decentralized system of dealing directly with whom ever I want to do transactions with rather than using centralized medium like the banks and other third party methods.
Actually fellow I know that bitcoin is used for transaction and of buying and selling of goods and services, and not a thing of decoration according to you. This is where you get it all wrong, Now what I want to let you know is that when talking about bitcoin investment for a long term there is no need of using it for transaction anymore. Now the accumulated Bitcoin becomes a prisoner to you in your portfolio and not to be released till when the need arises, and that is tactically creating scarcity and it will definitely add value because you have also reduce the number of bitcoin in circulation. I think when we talk about Bitcoin invest using DCA, we convert fiat to btc and keep in wallet or portfolio an the reason for converting it is to use it as a hedges against inflation and keep as store of value for future porpos. So there no need for frequent transaction. I think emergency fund has already been set aside, talking about using Bitcoin for transaction doesn't sound nice. Although many people might use Bitcoin as a medium of transaction but that is not a close range to HODLers. Because the mindset of the HODLers is to convert fiat to btc and keep for a long term and not to be used for frequent transaction. The concept or notion of HODL, is to hold onto Bitcoin as much as possible for a Long term, an when the time of harvest has come it will either be used as a direct P2P transaction with bitcoin or better still be converted to fiat according to how the HODLer feels.


We are accumulating bitcoin for the future in other for it to stand as medium of exchange of goods and services and also to replace the use of fiat since it is a digital currency so it's only when we have acquired alot in our portfolios that we can make it's adoption become a reality so let's keep accumulating because that's exactly the stage we are in for now.
I don't really think we are holding bitcoin to replaced the use of fiat in the future. But rather holding for long because it's a great store of value compeard to other assets. Fiat is Fiat and can not be replaced, but bitcoin is rather used as a medium of reviving it's lost value of the past against the future. because as Time goes on fiat keeps on depreciating while bitcoin keep appreciating, so in the nearest future what Bitcoin will only do is to replenish the lost value of your fiat by doubling or tripling your investment and also adding value of volatility to it, making it X10 or X 20 of your investment. Because it has a higher volatility compared to other assets. Though I know that Bitcoin volatility is not always forward ⏩ it also goes backward 🔙 but it has been proven over the years that it will still rise beyond expectations. So with HODLing your future is assured.
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February 11, 2024, 10:00:56 PM
As we move into the future, the demand for Bitcoin is increasing along with the basic needs. I think if a person invests properly by following the DCA method, he can definitely prove himself as an ideal investor. It is better to invest from present time, like me (I have kept my investment alive for 14 months) I also want to make my investment for long term. I got to see my portfolio and it made me want to invest more. So 10% of my income I invest here for long term following DCA method. This is a proper journey that I learned from JJG text.
The information that JJG always provides about investing changes the way many people think about investing. There are many members who have been regularly active in this section and have changed their thinking about investing. I would never have realized that investing is so easy if I wasn't active in this section regularly. Sometimes small ideas can be the turning point in our life. Earlier I understood that investing means I have to accumulate a lot of money and I have to invest a lot of money but after learning about the DCA method of investing, investing now seems a lot easier for me. Earlier, when I tried to manage a large amount of money in the field of investment, the money was spent differently at different stages of management, as a result of which I could not invest at the right time even after trying.  But currently in DCA investment method we can invest money only when we have money so that there is no possibility of spending money. 

You hold your investment for long 14 months and gradually you increase your investment, also you hold your investment for longer period.  To make your investment more long term you can create emergency fund for investment. The advantage of creating an emergency fund is that your investment will never be irregular, that is, even if a financial crisis occurs, you can invest consistently from that emergency fund.

I have already held my investment for almost two years and I am satisfied at this stage of the market but I am not interested in selling the investment now. I have enough profit on my investment now but I will not sell my investment because I have a plan till certain time and I will definitely hold the investment till that time.

I have three emergency funds for investments and always try to invest consistently but if I ever have a financial crisis I use my emergency fund for investments. But if I spend money from the emergency fund, I try to replenish that fund very quickly later because it keeps me more focused on my investments.
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February 11, 2024, 05:34:23 PM
I totally disagree with you here, purchasing Bitcoin through the lumsump strategy and the DCA method can never give the same results, the lumsump strategy is way more profitable because you are only buying the dip and hold, which means you can get a very large amount of Bitcoin at a very cheap rate, compared to DCA that you can even buy at an expensive rate most times. what makes the DCA method special is that as an investor that don't have much capital, you are able to buy at your own comfort bit by bit, monthly or weekly and you don't have to wait for the deep for you to buy, because most times that deep you are actually waiting for may not come again, since no body knows the lowest possible deep this time around, so it's mainly good at accumulating large amount of Bitcoin over time.
The lump sump strategy that I know is very different from the buy the dip strategy, the lump sump strategy is where you buy all at once with all the capital you have but the buy the dip strategy is usually used by investors who only enter the market when the market is just bearish conditions

I suggest for investors who only have limited capital, don't use the sumlump strategy, you will only waste your money, the bitcoin market is very volatile, it is better to just use the DCA strategy, although slowly, this strategy has been proven to be much better than sumlump and has many large investors have successfully implemented this DCA strategy
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February 11, 2024, 04:00:51 PM
I think what he is trying to say is that those who buy with lump sum and those who buy with DCA will end up making profit in their investments on the long term. What really matters is the size of investment at the end of the day. He is not say that they will have the same level of profit from their various investments. But it's also very possible that the person buying through DCA might end up making more profit. Bitcoin might dip more than the price you bought with your lump sum and remain there for many years while the person that is buying through DCA is continually buying before you know it he/she has acquired more bitcoin than your lump sum at different prices, some even cheaper than your lump sum buy entry point.
For my understanding if someone buys at once with all the money he has then there is a big potential in two contexts where if the price goes down after he has finished buying then he has no chance to buy in the Dips. And also if the price rises after they make a purchase, they will be more enthusiastic about investing in Bitcoin because they will immediately see the profits they get. Even though the investment they use is for the long term, I prefer to do it with DCA better than with a lump sum purchase.

Purchasing at once will usually have an impact on a person's psychology because he has already used all the money for the first purchase. and when the market situation changes suddenly, of course he will think of a thought about his first decision that seems as if he didn't have to make it. A thought arises that may not be ready for that moment which will certainly result in a wrong decision if he is unable to forget it. Apart from that, whether you buy it all at once or DCA, you will definitely get a profit in the end, the important thing is that they have the desire to keep Holding it.
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February 11, 2024, 02:49:37 PM
In collecting Bitcoin, everyone has a different strategy, there are those who buy it all at once whatever the price when they buy it and there are those who use the DCA method by collecting consistently according to the date they have set, but in both cases there are advantages and disadvantages too because if we buy At the same time, whatever the price at the time of purchase, of course we have to prepare a lot of money and we have to be able to hold it for a long period of time to be able to make a profit and if we use the DCA method, of course we have to buy it every date we have set and it will be very difficult if we don't have a fixed income.
Yes, that's right, when someone wants to invest in bitcoin, there are definitely many ways to buy it. Starting from lump sum purchases (Lumsump), to periodic purchases (DCA). So basically there is no need to be confused about this. Because the main purpose of purchasing bitcoin is of course to add to your portfolio. So whatever purchasing method you choose, the results will definitely not be much different. Moreover, if the aim of buying Bitcoin is to use it as a long-term investment, in my opinion if you want to use the Lumsump or DCA technique the results will definitely be the same.


I totally disagree with you here, purchasing Bitcoin through the lumsump strategy and the DCA method can never give the same results, the lumsump strategy is way more profitable because you are only buying the dip and hold, which means you can get a very large amount of Bitcoin at a very cheap rate, compared to DCA that you can even buy at an expensive rate most times. what makes the DCA method special is that as an investor that don't have much capital, you are able to buy at your own comfort bit by bit, monthly or weekly and you don't have to wait for the deep for you to buy, because most times that deep you are actually waiting for my not come again, since no body knows the lowest possible deep this time around, so it's mainly good at accumulating large amount of Bitcoin over time.
I think what he is trying to say is that those who buy with lump sum and those who buy with DCA will end up making profit in their investments on the long term. What really matters is the size of investment at the end of the day. He is not say that they will have the same level of profit from their various investments. But it's also very possible that the person buying through DCA might end up making more profit. Bitcoin might dip more than the price you bought with your lump sum and remain there for many years while the person that is buying through DCA is continually buying before you know it he/she has acquired more bitcoin than your lump sum at different prices, some even cheaper than your lump sum buy entry point.
To me exercising both is kinda the best. You know  as a Investor you got to be flexible, using the lumsump strategies you can focus buying the dip and all that what if in a scenario you thought that market would undergo a certain correction (dip)  before you buy. And at the end it endup not meeting your expectations (increase without undergoing that dip) you will only endup missing out. So I will keep saying if you are the type who only focus on buying the dip always try and also use DCAing to accumulate more quantities during so you would endup with better profit. And this the period we should focus on DCAing because we know that bitcoin gonna under go a new break through soon and there's time to accumulate more bitcoin in your portfolio.

And please DCA is not for only those who don't have much funds to invest, they are alot of early investors out there who are still using DCA method to accumulate more bitcoin. Because it would give them the opportunity of buying at different prices making theit portfolio to be more mature and more profitable. So anyone can exercise DCA strategies. And by the way when you are more financially capable that when the DCA would be more effective
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February 11, 2024, 12:46:59 PM
In collecting Bitcoin, everyone has a different strategy, there are those who buy it all at once whatever the price when they buy it and there are those who use the DCA method by collecting consistently according to the date they have set, but in both cases there are advantages and disadvantages too because if we buy At the same time, whatever the price at the time of purchase, of course we have to prepare a lot of money and we have to be able to hold it for a long period of time to be able to make a profit and if we use the DCA method, of course we have to buy it every date we have set and it will be very difficult if we don't have a fixed income.
Yes, that's right, when someone wants to invest in bitcoin, there are definitely many ways to buy it. Starting from lump sum purchases (Lumsump), to periodic purchases (DCA). So basically there is no need to be confused about this. Because the main purpose of purchasing bitcoin is of course to add to your portfolio. So whatever purchasing method you choose, the results will definitely not be much different. Moreover, if the aim of buying Bitcoin is to use it as a long-term investment, in my opinion if you want to use the Lumsump or DCA technique the results will definitely be the same.


I totally disagree with you here, purchasing Bitcoin through the lumsump strategy and the DCA method can never give the same results, the lumsump strategy is way more profitable because you are only buying the dip and hold, which means you can get a very large amount of Bitcoin at a very cheap rate, compared to DCA that you can even buy at an expensive rate most times. what makes the DCA method special is that as an investor that don't have much capital, you are able to buy at your own comfort bit by bit, monthly or weekly and you don't have to wait for the deep for you to buy, because most times that deep you are actually waiting for my not come again, since no body knows the lowest possible deep this time around, so it's mainly good at accumulating large amount of Bitcoin over time.
I equally disagree with you that lumpsum buying gives more profits. Have you thought about missing opportunities and FOMO that is common with lumpsum buying? You will agree with me that it is difficult if not impossible to determine the true dip, this is why most people who wait for the dip often experiences missed opportunities. Using the DCA method on the other hand, does not really require the waiting and possible missing of opportunities. I will give you some examples. Instead of arguing which gives more profit, I think we should be focused on how best we can apply that which is suitable to us, I mean our preferred method of collecting bitcoin.

There was a time bitcoin stayed around $26k for a long time. Those that buy the dip will be waiting for the dip here while those using DCA will be collecting a lot of bitcoin at this price. Bitcoin never gave any shock before price left this zone to the $29k to $30k area. Those buying the dips might either miss the opportunity or buy tiny fraction of their budget. Same scenario played out in the $36k and even when price crossed $39k.

It is therefore very clear that the DCA method can be very useful and highly profitable in most cases even when price is in a range or in downtrend. It is also important to emphasize that the method of buying is a matter of individual choice and so long as the purchase is for long term holding, it is absolutely profitable. 

I don't think it's right for us to argue which strategy is better or which is not, at the end of the day its our ability to hodl our crypto that really matters. But in terms of strategy, how we apply it could give us different results, like applying lump sums on dips and using DCA to navigate the volatile market.

I believe that the purpose of saying newbies should use DCA is because of the fact that to be successful at lump sums, you need a little market timing and should be more experienced about bitcoin than others, cause lump sum could be seen as a whole buy and just imagine newbie that bought Bitcoin at the last ATH  of about 60k and till now the price hasn't even gotten close to it, and surely he must not have developed a good mindset for investing and might have sold out, so hence we say that DCA is better for newbies cause its easy to learn, doesn't require much knowledge to start and most of all, you are safe from high volatility.

So at the end of the day it's based on preferences as an investor and which strategy we feel safe practicing.

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you shouldn't procicute yourself over selling some stash Wayback when there was an uptrend. at a point in every one's life there is that tempting sensation that make you feel to sell off, and you might end up selling some stash but that doesn't change anything from you. let by gone be by gone. what matters is how you where able to make some corrections and still keep to the rules. by now I know your wallet will be like a straw berry, waiting to chop off. LOLs

I feel real good about my whole system, and I don't even feel that bad about my mistakes - except just to sometimes realize how our perspectives change, and even when I analyze some of my past behaviors, I will sometimes see some of the behaviors, practices and mindset differently now as compared to when I was doing some of them,
That is exactly what am saying. In as much as we hold for long sometimes we decide to sell some stash and it is based on individual differences. because you have it and decides to sell off when you see the need for such. Afterall you have hold for a long term, of which not every one could even hold that long. They would have sold off. So the important of investment is to use it when necessary. and there shouldn't be a question towards it. Because HODL onto bitcoin is not hold forever, or hold into death. but HODL for a long term for future porpos. and it's your priority. Afterall you reaped the fruit of your labour and it didn't change the fact that your holding is still higher than the stash you sold. Where it could have been bad is selling of an unreasonable amount that will affect your entire holding. But checking the amount you sold then was just a peanut and wouldn't even affect the accumulating process.


IMO I think  it's also good investor should  have a purpose for  investing in bitcoin, cause I feel that one of the reasons that made you hold this long was because you had a purpose of investing and maybe on the long run that purpose changed and evolved into you wanting to always have a portion of asset and monetary value in bitcoin. Many investors have switched roles from long term investors to short term because they didn't have a purpose or reason to invest, some of them heard about hold and bough some amount of bitcoin and when the price soared they sold, and you would find out that it was never their plan at first but they didn't have any future purpose for investing and holding.

Our purpose for investing at times must not be something great, and no one would tell me he want to hold forever without selling sometimes to maybe get that dream car, he wished for something and some even invest cause they see bitcoin as a better way to store value.
Judging from sir Jay's last example of his friend’s that he sent some bitcoin and even advised them to hold and purchase more, the way I see it this people didn't have any any self generated reason to follow him on that path despite all the profits and reasons he showed them, so they couldn't keep up with holding and sold their bitcoins.

In conclusion to what I'm saying, I think it's a good thing that we have our own reasons or I can call it motivations to invest in bitcoin, even tho this reasons might change and we might want to hold or maybe even have a portion of our wealth always in bitcoin, having a purpose or reason to invest is a must if we must stay long term.
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February 11, 2024, 12:23:02 PM
In collecting Bitcoin, everyone has a different strategy, there are those who buy it all at once whatever the price when they buy it and there are those who use the DCA method by collecting consistently according to the date they have set, but in both cases there are advantages and disadvantages too because if we buy At the same time, whatever the price at the time of purchase, of course we have to prepare a lot of money and we have to be able to hold it for a long period of time to be able to make a profit and if we use the DCA method, of course we have to buy it every date we have set and it will be very difficult if we don't have a fixed income.
Yes, that's right, when someone wants to invest in bitcoin, there are definitely many ways to buy it. Starting from lump sum purchases (Lumsump), to periodic purchases (DCA). So basically there is no need to be confused about this. Because the main purpose of purchasing bitcoin is of course to add to your portfolio. So whatever purchasing method you choose, the results will definitely not be much different. Moreover, if the aim of buying Bitcoin is to use it as a long-term investment, in my opinion if you want to use the Lumsump or DCA technique the results will definitely be the same.


I totally disagree with you here, purchasing Bitcoin through the lumsump strategy and the DCA method can never give the same results, the lumsump strategy is way more profitable because you are only buying the dip and hold, which means you can get a very large amount of Bitcoin at a very cheap rate, compared to DCA that you can even buy at an expensive rate most times. what makes the DCA method special is that as an investor that don't have much capital, you are able to buy at your own comfort bit by bit, monthly or weekly and you don't have to wait for the deep for you to buy, because most times that deep you are actually waiting for my not come again, since no body knows the lowest possible deep this time around, so it's mainly good at accumulating large amount of Bitcoin over time.
I think what he is trying to say is that those who buy with lump sum and those who buy with DCA will end up making profit in their investments on the long term. What really matters is the size of investment at the end of the day. He is not say that they will have the same level of profit from their various investments. But it's also very possible that the person buying through DCA might end up making more profit. Bitcoin might dip more than the price you bought with your lump sum and remain there for many years while the person that is buying through DCA is continually buying before you know it he/she has acquired more bitcoin than your lump sum at different prices, some even cheaper than your lump sum buy entry point.
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February 11, 2024, 11:38:09 AM
In collecting Bitcoin, everyone has a different strategy, there are those who buy it all at once whatever the price when they buy it and there are those who use the DCA method by collecting consistently according to the date they have set, but in both cases there are advantages and disadvantages too because if we buy At the same time, whatever the price at the time of purchase, of course we have to prepare a lot of money and we have to be able to hold it for a long period of time to be able to make a profit and if we use the DCA method, of course we have to buy it every date we have set and it will be very difficult if we don't have a fixed income.
Yes, that's right, when someone wants to invest in bitcoin, there are definitely many ways to buy it. Starting from lump sum purchases (Lumsump), to periodic purchases (DCA). So basically there is no need to be confused about this. Because the main purpose of purchasing bitcoin is of course to add to your portfolio. So whatever purchasing method you choose, the results will definitely not be much different. Moreover, if the aim of buying Bitcoin is to use it as a long-term investment, in my opinion if you want to use the Lumsump or DCA technique the results will definitely be the same.


I totally disagree with you here, purchasing Bitcoin through the lumsump strategy and the DCA method can never give the same results, the lumsump strategy is way more profitable because you are only buying the dip and hold, which means you can get a very large amount of Bitcoin at a very cheap rate, compared to DCA that you can even buy at an expensive rate most times. what makes the DCA method special is that as an investor that don't have much capital, you are able to buy at your own comfort bit by bit, monthly or weekly and you don't have to wait for the deep for you to buy, because most times that deep you are actually waiting for my not come again, since no body knows the lowest possible deep this time around, so it's mainly good at accumulating large amount of Bitcoin over time.
I equally disagree with you that lumpsum buying gives more profits. Have you thought about missing opportunities and FOMO that is common with lumpsum buying? You will agree with me that it is difficult if not impossible to determine the true dip, this is why most people who wait for the dip often experiences missed opportunities. Using the DCA method on the other hand, does not really require the waiting and possible missing of opportunities. I will give you some examples. Instead of arguing which gives more profit, I think we should be focused on how best we can apply that which is suitable to us, I mean our preferred method of collecting bitcoin.

There was a time bitcoin stayed around $26k for a long time. Those that buy the dip will be waiting for the dip here while those using DCA will be collecting a lot of bitcoin at this price. Bitcoin never gave any shock before price left this zone to the $29k to $30k area. Those buying the dips might either miss the opportunity or buy tiny fraction of their budget. Same scenario played out in the $36k and even when price crossed $39k.

It is therefore very clear that the DCA method can be very useful and highly profitable in most cases even when price is in a range or in downtrend. It is also important to emphasize that the method of buying is a matter of individual choice and so long as the purchase is for long term holding, it is absolutely profitable. 
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February 11, 2024, 10:05:16 AM
In collecting Bitcoin, everyone has a different strategy, there are those who buy it all at once whatever the price when they buy it and there are those who use the DCA method by collecting consistently according to the date they have set, but in both cases there are advantages and disadvantages too because if we buy At the same time, whatever the price at the time of purchase, of course we have to prepare a lot of money and we have to be able to hold it for a long period of time to be able to make a profit and if we use the DCA method, of course we have to buy it every date we have set and it will be very difficult if we don't have a fixed income.
Yes, that's right, when someone wants to invest in bitcoin, there are definitely many ways to buy it. Starting from lump sum purchases (Lumsump), to periodic purchases (DCA). So basically there is no need to be confused about this. Because the main purpose of purchasing bitcoin is of course to add to your portfolio. So whatever purchasing method you choose, the results will definitely not be much different. Moreover, if the aim of buying Bitcoin is to use it as a long-term investment, in my opinion if you want to use the Lumsump or DCA technique the results will definitely be the same.


I totally disagree with you here, purchasing Bitcoin through the lumsump strategy and the DCA method can never give the same results, the lumsump strategy is way more profitable because you are only buying the dip and hold, which means you can get a very large amount of Bitcoin at a very cheap rate, compared to DCA that you can even buy at an expensive rate most times. what makes the DCA method special is that as an investor that don't have much capital, you are able to buy at your own comfort bit by bit, monthly or weekly and you don't have to wait for the deep for you to buy, because most times that deep you are actually waiting for may not come again, since no body knows the lowest possible deep this time around, so it's mainly good at accumulating large amount of Bitcoin over time.
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February 11, 2024, 09:56:24 AM

Get the context. The point is not about being the best investment because of price movement or ROI, the point is being the best investment in a particular sector because the HODLer is assured that the investment will continue to exist for decades.


I understand your thought and what you really mean, but I was just trying to be specific on the importance of Bitcoin over the other forms of investment. You know each time I hear people speak of Bitcoin, it sparks up my minds and want to talk and emphasis on it, for people to know the importance of Bitcoin. because I just feel like any discussion without Bitcoin is like I am not adding something to my Brian or not reminding my self of what I have chose over other investment. Not that I don't know that you just listed the other forms of investment but I was just trying to still let you know how important Bitcoin  investment is still important than the other investment.


If you truly want to emphasize the real importance of Bitcoin, then you should avoid talking about it "as an investment " or something that's a possible source of enrichment. Research, read, learn, and feed your brain more about the technical details about Bitcoin. From that, I'm very confident that you will truly learn why it's the break-through/revolutionary leap of the century for distributed systems.

Satoshi Nakamoto should win a Noble Prize for Economics and a Turing Award for inventing Bitcoin.


I know that a lot of folks quibble with the idea of bitcoin as an investment, but the problem is that it is an investment and not just some technical mumbo jumbo.

Sure the technical aspects of bitcoin support it in terms of how valuable that bitcoin is as an investment, yet I cannot see how it is helpful to stop using such terms in order to better help people in regards to how they are going to invest their time, energies and/or value. .which some of that should be into bitcoin. .and surely they may likely have to consider other kinds of investments that they have in order to figure out some kind of a balance because even with bitcoin, it is likely better not to put all of our assets into bitcoin, since many of us still likely need to make sure that we are balanced in fiat systems, so we likely have to continue to make sure that we do not get reckt because we failed/refused to adequately keep a sufficient amount of value in various fiat systems... how are we getting paid and how are we paying our expenses?  are some of those expenses discretionary or are they needed in basic kinds of ways such as food, lodging, transportation and other needs/wants that we might have.


Ser, please get the context of my post by reading Samlucky's post.

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I understand your thought and what you really mean, but I was just trying to be specific on the importance of Bitcoin over the other forms of investment. You know each time I hear people speak of Bitcoin, it sparks up my minds and want to talk and emphasis on it, for people to know the importance of Bitcoin. because I just feel like any discussion without Bitcoin is like I am not adding something to my Brian or not reminding my self of what I have chose over other investment. Not that I don't know that you just listed the other forms of investment but I was just trying to still let you know how important Bitcoin  investment is still important than the other investment.


"Importance of Bitcoin" plus he wants to talk more about Bitcoin to add something to his brain. I believe he's suggesting that he wants to learn more too.

What is the actual importance of Bitcoin? If we merely talk about it as something that "will make people gain more from their investment", especially people who have yet to actually learn anything about it, it might sound like a Ponzi to those people, no?
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In collecting Bitcoin, everyone has a different strategy, there are those who buy it all at once whatever the price when they buy it and there are those who use the DCA method by collecting consistently according to the date they have set, but in both cases there are advantages and disadvantages too because if we buy At the same time, whatever the price at the time of purchase, of course we have to prepare a lot of money and we have to be able to hold it for a long period of time to be able to make a profit and if we use the DCA method, of course we have to buy it every date we have set and it will be very difficult if we don't have a fixed income.
Yes, that's right, when someone wants to invest in bitcoin, there are definitely many ways to buy it. Starting from lump sum purchases (Lumsump), to periodic purchases (DCA). So basically there is no need to be confused about this. Because the main purpose of purchasing bitcoin is of course to add to your portfolio. So whatever purchasing method you choose, the results will definitely not be much different. Moreover, if the aim of buying Bitcoin is to use it as a long-term investment, in my opinion if you want to use the Lumsump or DCA technique the results will definitely be the same.

So the most important thing is to first study the knowledge related to bitcoin. Because knowledge is a very important factor in expediting the investment process. Because if the science or knowledge about Bitcoin has been studied and understood first, then the problem of purchasing techniques will definitely not be something complicated. Because in the world of investment, purchasing techniques are stages that can determine the size of the profits that can be obtained and can also minimize risks when the worst possibility occurs, such as falling prices. But in bitcoin all of that can be rejected by investing in the long term. Because when we invest in Bitcoin for a long period of time, there will definitely be several halving cycles and bull markets that will pass. So even though this year the price of bitcoin is rising, we buy bitcoin, in the end there is a big possibility that we can still make a profit.

Indeed, if only invest in Bitcoin for one cycle (4 years), the profits will definitely not be too big. However, if invest more than one cycle, for example 3 or 4 cycles, it is likely that the profits will be very large. So in this phase, purchasing techniques when investing in Bitcoin can be said to be marginalized.
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February 11, 2024, 08:36:55 AM
As a newbie I have been thinking about the powerful thread in the meantime taken a chance how to write me.

One of the trader who trade in business place for the best return basically his expectation 50% or 100% or also more how much become he more delightful.
As a assumption the price of cryptocurrency 2030 maybe 543K which price by today is 48k.
We are not actually talking about trading here, I think there is a section for trading. By trading I mean short time and hold with targets like 50% or 100% just like you said. If you are looking for information on that kind of ventures, I suggest you visit the trading discussion board and you will appreciate why the forum is segmented.

Just to set the record straight, we are discussing long term investment here and all that is needed to successful buy and hold Bitcoin for long. The key things to consider is how to buy, when to by, what is required to be able to hold and how to develop the mindset of a holder. If you go through the thread you would have read about buying the dip, DCA method, and the concept of the emergency fund that is like the secret to long term HODL of Bitcoin.


Why late! if you have enough money to invest! You must buy today last week its price was 43k.
I do not really support compulsive buying because it is usually done without proper planning. Before investing in Bitcoin, you must have calculated your cashflow to know how much you should allocate to Bitcoin so that you will be able to set up reserve funds that will serve as emergency funds. Buying now is goo because the best time to buy is usually now but care must be taken to make adequate preparations just like I explained before; that is the way to buy and be able to HODL.
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February 11, 2024, 07:30:58 AM
I am not too interested in focusing on setting up reserve funds to wait for cheap price because I tend to accumulate Bitcoin every two week. So I think I will get a chance that might be more accurate to get a cheaper price
from what i have learnt while going through this thread, the concept of making provision for reserve fund isn't basically aimed at saving up special fund for the purchase of bitcoin during the DIP. It's more of saving out special fund that you can always run to in times of emergency so you don't tamper with your holding because of a minor financial challenge you might be going through.

For those that are serious with their bitcoin investment, measures like having a reserve fund is going to be an added advantage because  unplaneed event do come and if you don't have anywhere to run to for help to sort out your problem, then borrowing from your holding becomes the only option that you would probably consider.


 apersonson's personal policy is certainly different because everyone has a different income, so in this case a plan that might be our choice is the DCA strategy which we can arrange in stage to buy Bitcoin.
youre very correct about this, from what I even observe, the DCA methods is probably going to be more useful for the bigginers and those that are not financially strong. Their are people that are earning to well in their business that they can comfortably assign a particular portion of their weekly or monthly profit into investing in bitcoin such that whenever they balance their account for the week or month, all they need to do is to give out a portion of the profit into investing in bitcoin and they can even set a ten five year routine of accumulating Bitcoin with certain amount and will comfortably do it with ease because they have a reliable and sustainable source of income.
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The days pf 100x are over in Bitcoin. So, your right, 42% is actually a huge return for three years but imagine holding for 10+ years and bitcoin does 70x to 100x that is quite a lot of returns.
Oh man....over the course of my time watching bitcoin I've seen gains of over 100x.  Specifically I remember being able to buy it at $200 back in 2015 or so, and every time I think about what could have been for me I just get this big ol' cloud of gloom come over me.  I do think you're correct that we're probably not going to see that type of growth over a period of 9-10 years, but as I've said many times before I never in my wildest dreams thought bitcoin would reach $1k.

And then I thought it'd never reach $10k.
Or $50k.

So I guess bitcoin is like a boxer that really shouldn't be judged a KO by the referee until the count is finished.  There's probably a way better analogy, but I've been awake for at least two sunsets so cut me some slack.
As a newbie I have been thinking about the powerful thread in the meantime taken a chance how to write me.

One of the trader who trade in business place for the best return basically his expectation 50% or 100% or also more how much become he more delightful.
As a assumption the price of cryptocurrency 2030 maybe 543K which price by today is 48k.

Why late! if you have enough money to invest! You must buy today last week its price was 43k.
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February 11, 2024, 06:31:19 AM
This is a proper journey that I learned from JJG text.
I think everyone here, not just you, probably learned how to invest using the dollar cost averaging (DCA) method as per the JJG text. I also didn't understand how to start investing in Dollar Cost Averaging (DCA) method at first but I read this thread thoroughly before starting investing in this (DCA) method. Then I decided I would make my investments every month using the Dollar Cost Averaging (DCA) method or prolong it.

I am still continuing my investment. Maybe I will be successful in continuing my Bitcoin investment in the future. I have a proper intention with investing in bitcoins.I will be successful the day I can use this Bitcoin investment for the right purpose. I said in one of my posts that I was depositing 45$ dollars every month in bitcoins, I have now added some more dollars to that means my investment has increased a little bit.I was able to add extra dollars to my investments because my source of income or the amount of income increased so that I could add extra money to my investments there.

Because DCA method is so popular and easy  to understand that's why many people got curious to learn this strategy and many are successful without getting any stress for what they are doing compare on their daily trades.

If someone want to learn or try to understand this method they should try to research since there are good articles about this online. Here are some samples about it and for sure they would like what they read in this article https://dcabtc.com/ I don't promote the site posted in that article so best if they could just read what's information written in that site.

I'm also positive that we can gain something good for doing it and believing on the strength of bitcoin that's why I'm always excited about the future of this coin.
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February 11, 2024, 05:13:37 AM
The days pf 100x are over in Bitcoin. So, your right, 42% is actually a huge return for three years but imagine holding for 10+ years and bitcoin does 70x to 100x that is quite a lot of returns.
Oh man....over the course of my time watching bitcoin I've seen gains of over 100x.  Specifically I remember being able to buy it at $200 back in 2015 or so, and every time I think about what could have been for me I just get this big ol' cloud of gloom come over me.  I do think you're correct that we're probably not going to see that type of growth over a period of 9-10 years, but as I've said many times before I never in my wildest dreams thought bitcoin would reach $1k.

And then I thought it'd never reach $10k.
Or $50k.

So I guess bitcoin is like a boxer that really shouldn't be judged a KO by the referee until the count is finished.  There's probably a way better analogy, but I've been awake for at least two sunsets so cut me some slack.
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February 11, 2024, 03:54:25 AM
Job security is important to consider before starting your bitcoin investment because it will help you take care of your personal needs. If you think someone will be laid off from his job for no reason before that person starts his bitcoin accumulation journey, he or she should save a reserve fund that he or she will use in the future in case he or she loses his job that will help to settle his financial needs until he or she gets another job so that he or she will not depend on his bitcoin investment to settle his financial needs.
Main job and part time job is very important thing to be long term investment in bitcoin, not get stable financial will difficult how to manage our salary for daily needed and investing in bitcoin. Personally had an exceptional for some one not marriage yet because their daily needed not spend large amount every day and can spent more than 60% of their salary for investing in bitcoin.
Have well main and part time job will be easy for accumulating bitcoin in daily or monthly but not support with good payment salary in offline work will face difficult how much have to spent for accumulation bitcoin and another side we need spent money every day for daily needed.
Work hard right now and invest as much possible in bitcoin before getting disappointed in one day later when bitcoin have raised more higher price.
I don't know how you guys comes up with some conclusions. What brought main job and part-time job into this discussion? Why not simply put it that one need a good cashflow to be able to invest in Bitcoin? Many people in this forum have their source of funds in diverse ways like inheritance, business and so on. Your assertion of making main job and part-time job a prerequisite for bitcoin investment might be misleading. Anyone with a source of income can invest in bitcoin, he must not do two types of jobs to do that because investment is made with money and not job. I understand that you are suggesting a secured source of cashflow but your choice of words seem to be the problem.
I don't see a problem in their choice of words. When someone talk about a job you will know that they are talking about casflow. I see you are just limiting your scope of understanding things. Many people here depends on jobs for their cash flow. In every 100 people it's possible that only 2% of them that has inheritance and maybe 10% has businesses. The vast majority depends on jobs. So when they said you need a job for one to be able to invest in bitcoin they are not mistaking neither is it misleading. Majority of bitcoin investors are people who are doing one jobs or the other be it part time or full time or possibly both.
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