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November 26, 2023, 03:24:16 AM
At a certain point, there may be a need for an investor to delve into something that is certain to provide a faster return, perhaps in a short period of time.
If Bitcoin is not volatile enough to vomit the much needed quick profits, you might consider ponzi schemes that supposedly multiply your capital within few hours.
I do not agree with you on this because investing in Ponzi schemes is the same thing as investing in altcoin because you are not certain of making any profit from a Ponzi scheme, and the Ponzi scheme can crash at any time they see they have made enough money from investors. An investor who is not financially okay should start up a business or look for a job so that he/she will have another source of income to run his daily needs in live. By doing this, he/she can hold his Bitcoin for the long term because there is a business or job that is taking of his daily needs.
Sarcasm bro! I don't think there is anyone who does not know that ponzi scheme is an easy way to waste money. Their promoters have this nice way of convincing people to invest, such as telling them they will double their money within two hours and showing fake evidence of successful withdrawals, only to scam the victims.

A lot of shitcoins are even ponzi schemes in another format. They pump the market, giving huge profits to the early people and this will make more people to join only to be roasted at the end of the day.

My reference of ponzi scheme is just another way of saying that anyone not satisfied with Bitcoin is surely looking for shortcuts which is dangerous.
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stead.builders
November 26, 2023, 02:08:41 AM
At a certain point, there may be a need for an investor to delve into something that is certain to provide a faster return, perhaps in a short period of time.
If Bitcoin is not volatile enough to vomit the much needed quick profits, you might consider ponzi schemes that supposedly multiply your capital within few hours.
I do not agree with you on this because investing in Ponzi schemes is the same thing as investing in altcoin because you are not certain of making any profit from a Ponzi scheme, and the Ponzi scheme can crash at any time they see they have made enough money from investors. An investor who is not financially okay should start up a business or look for a job so that he/she will have another source of income to run his daily needs in live. By doing this, he/she can hold his Bitcoin for the long term because there is a business or job that is taking of his daily needs.
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November 25, 2023, 10:43:30 PM
Many times there are trade-offs, and even though DCA tends to be the best, DCA might not be the best for a person who has a lump sum of money currently available, and it might be better to lump sum most, if not all of that money, and then perhaps just have money to continue to buy if the price dips.... that is why a newbie to bitcoin likely needs to consider the three categories of 1) DCA, 2) Lump sum and 3) Buy on dips, and perhaps have some money allocated to each of the three categories, and if s/he chooses to eliminate any of the categories, then s/he would have at least weighed the pros and cons of each of the categories.

Well said mr JayJuanGee, I as a person would even recommend accumulating bitcoin using lump sum because, we are very close to the halving and any time from next year, we'll be experiencing the halving, so DCA and buy the dip should be kept on hold for now, so we can concentrate on accumulating as much as we can using lump sum. However, this bull run might take us to another all time high, so missing out this opportunity or not having enough bitcoin in your portfolio shouldn't be an excuse except, you can't afford to buy more due to some financial constrain. Now is the time for every bitcoin enthusiasts to step up their accumulation game by aggressively using lump sum to make huge buys and avoid the sell button.
We used to invest earlier and after investing earlier we saw the market only going down for a long time but still we held our investment deep hoping for something better. The market is in a much better state than it was once. Now is a golden opportunity for new investors because the market is now positive and we have been observing the market positive for almost six months. Now if an investor invests in Bitcoin and holds that investment deeply then he will have a golden opportunity to grow his money.  

By investing now there is a golden opportunity to get some good profit in future so I never tell those who don't have money to invest in debt because if a person decides to invest in debt then he will never be able to hold his investment for long. As far as I am concerned those investors think of investing who have some amount of money in savings and very few people decide to take out loans and invest. Although Bitcoin is a reliable investment platform, I would never recommend borrowing money from others to invest with that money. You can invest with the amount of money you have in the current market and before investing you must keep in mind that you can hold your investment for a long time.

If an investor could eradicate greed and be more discipline in times of investment it will do them more good than harm because I realized that the reason why most people aggressively invest on Bitcoin is because they feel that it will make them have a more higher returns than slowly investing without knowing that is better to invest slowly and consistently to reach your goal than aggressively investing and being cut up by unforseen challenges.
Most people coming into this market are primarily looking to get rich quickly, so they often overlook investing in Bitcoin for the long term. When it comes to short-term profitability, Bitcoin can't be compared to the rest, but in the long run, Bitcoin is an investment opportunity that cannot be ignored. You can sleep well if you hold onto Bitcoin for many years, but the same cannot be said for the majority of other Altcoins. It takes patience and a clear direction to focus solely on investing in Bitcoin and holding for the long term.
Yes, holding bitcoin for the long term is more enjoyable than holding it only for the immediate future, and I'm talking like this because I've experienced it myself.
Our own experience makes our belief in something we hold great, and that's how I feel about bitcoin. Especially when I know a strategy called DCA, yes it makes my investment more comfortable to do.
Some people who still doubt (especially beginners) I consider it a natural thing, and when they want to get rich quickly I will also consider it natural (for beginners), because they are in the process of understanding what they are actually doing. But when they really understand, they will be able to change their mindset.
We all have some objective to invest, but none of us invest aimlessly. While planning long-term investment, our objective is to earn good amount of money at the end of long term and while planning short-term investment, our objective is profit. In the beginning, it is natural to think that he will invest in Bitcoin and change his position in a short time, but after a few days of investing, when he tries to learn more about investing, his misconception about investing will be cleared.
I remember when I started investing I thought to myself that I would make a lot of money after a few days of investing so I checked my wallet every once in a while after investing. But when I realized that if I want to get something good from the investment, I must hold this investment deeply, I thought of holding my investment for a long time and I succeeded in holding it for a long time. After holding my investment for a long time I got enough success that's why I now favor long term investment and still hold Bitcoin in long term investment plan. If the new investors are starting their investment I think after starting they will get to know about the investment and their misconceptions will be cleared and they will definitely be in favor of holding their investment for a long time.
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November 25, 2023, 10:27:11 PM
At a certain point, there may be a need for an investor to delve into something that is certain to provide a faster return, perhaps in a short period of time.
If Bitcoin is not volatile enough to vomit the much needed quick profits, you might consider ponzi schemes that supposedly multiply your capital within few hours.

If you want to diversify your investment when you have already invested in Bîtcoin, buying altcoin is not a good step in diversification because if there is a failure in Bitcoin there will also be a failure in altcoin.
Many people are entangled in the illusion that altcoins is diversification.  To me it is just another way of compounding the problem because the risk is exponential; you can lose everything. I consider Bitcoin safer and more reliable

You can diversify your investment in something different from cryptocurrency such as real estate investment or selling a variety of merchandise, so that if one market fails, success in others will reduce the impact of failure.
I agree with you that diversification should be into something else and definitely not altcoins when someone is already invested in Bitcoin.
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November 25, 2023, 10:21:24 PM
If an investor could eradicate greed and be more discipline in times of investment it will do them more good than harm because I realized that the reason why most people aggressively invest on Bitcoin is because they feel that it will make them have a more higher returns than slowly investing without knowing that is better to invest slowly and consistently to reach your goal than aggressively investing and being cut up by unforseen challenges.
Most people coming into this market are primarily looking to get rich quickly, so they often overlook investing in Bitcoin for the long term. When it comes to short-term profitability, Bitcoin can't be compared to the rest, but in the long run, Bitcoin is an investment opportunity that cannot be ignored. You can sleep well if you hold onto Bitcoin for many years, but the same cannot be said for the majority of other Altcoins. It takes patience and a clear direction to focus solely on investing in Bitcoin and holding for the long term.
Yes, holding bitcoin for the long term is more enjoyable than holding it only for the immediate future, and I'm talking like this because I've experienced it myself.
Our own experience makes our belief in something we hold great, and that's how I feel about bitcoin. Especially when I know a strategy called DCA, yes it makes my investment more comfortable to do.
Some people who still doubt (especially beginners) I consider it a natural thing, and when they want to get rich quickly I will also consider it natural (for beginners), because they are in the process of understanding what they are actually doing. But when they really understand, they will be able to change their mindset.
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stead.builders
November 25, 2023, 09:22:27 PM
At a certain point, there may be a need for an investor to delve into something that is certain to provide a faster return, perhaps in a short period of time.
Why?  Isn't bitcoin potentially volatile enough?  What more "faster return" is necessary, and at what point would a person "need" to engage in such extra risk taking, when bitcoin is already risky?
No doubt bitcoin is potentially volatile with its own peculiar risk and returns but investing (diversifying) in other different projects that's not cryptocurrency is another form of expansion that returns made from there can be utilize into accumulating and increasing your bitcoin portfolio, in my opinion a good diversification can be a supportive ground for a bitcoin investor not to tamper with his bitcoin investment at any  financial emergency storm that might hit.

If the money is there enough to diversify the risk factor shouldn't be an excuse not to diversify. None diversification of businesses is like driving a car on along journey without having a spare tire with you for flat tire emergency along the long.

Be careful in mixing your metaphors too much.

One of the advantages of bitcoin remains position size, and if you go into a business, you usually will have a lot of upfront costs and time investments too.

With bitcoin you can adjust the the amount that you buy regularly, and you can also make sure that you have a sufficient extra cashflow for both income replacement and also emergencies.. ..so the mere fact that you don't diversify further is not the same as driving without a spare tire because hopefully you have already figured out your various amounts, and as you continue to build your bitcoin, there may be points in which diversification is starting to make sense, especially if you might start to have a couple of years of income within your cash reserves and your BTC investment.. but how you go about adding other ways of diversifying can be quite varied in how people might do it, whether they continue to buy BTC and then add other things that they are buying or if they slow down on their BTC buying or if they stop it completely...
alright JJG, I get the sharp end of your point now. And about the metaphors  I'll think of something about that. Grin
 
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but it might be possible to make lump sum investments in some other assets, whether it is stock or property or something else (should not be shitcoins unless it is limited to small amounts such as less than 10%) so that your total value is not just in bitcoin and cash.
There's a question I'll like you to lend your thoughts, something about cryptocurrency diversification and since you have raised the discuss I feel I use this opportunity to ask you for a clarification about it to get your thoughts.

Ii read a comment sometime this year that says investing in bitcoin and other altcoins isn't diversification, as in investing in different cryptocurrencies shouldn't be termed as diversification since they are all cryptocurrencies, that an actual diversification of Investment should be in different lines of businesses, example bitcoin and real estate.

JJG, what do you think?
Yeah actually let me try if I can answer your question, so however first you need to understand the word diversification  it means expanding or enlarging your investment to some other things, but however chosen altcoins to invest could also be known as diversification because irrespective of there general name which is crytocurrency but they have different sub names, but however I would not advised you to invest on altcoins as a diversification because they are not worth it.

If you are looking for were to diversify some of your investment, altcoins shouldn't be an option or perhaps you could just stick to only on Bitcoin.
If you want to diversify your investment when you have already invested in Bîtcoin, buying altcoin is not a good step in diversification because if there is a failure in Bitcoin there will also be a failure in altcoin. You can diversify your investment in something different from cryptocurrency such as real estate investment or selling a variety of merchandise, so that if one market fails, success in others will reduce the impact of failure.
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November 25, 2023, 06:45:36 PM
It is hard to always know what happened, but frequently if someone invests too much then they are expecting the price to go down and not prepared for it to go down, and surely there can be advantages to the BTC price going down, even if you had preferred for the price to go up, which is buying more when it goes down.

So it can take a long time to actually get ahead of your investment in order that the price is always coming to you rather than you going to the price, so if you just continue to buy in a DCA kind of way, that can be one way of getting ahead of the BTC price, even if it might take 2-3 years to actually get to a point that your cost per BTC is actually less than the current price.  It is not guaranteed to happen, but so far anyone who persistently buys BTC, has been ending up getting into profits, even though sometimes it could take 2-3 years before the "being in profits" stage can actually end up happening.

A person who panics, and does not continue to buy but then sells and buys will likely NOT really get to any kind of stage in which his./her holdings is in front of the price.. and it seems such a simple strategy to merely just continue to buy (sure buying on the dip is fine, but buying at any price might well end up being fine in order to keep a person in the right kind of mindset of continuing to build the number of BTC that s/he has in his/her holdings and keeping some faith that that BTC is going to be profitable in the future.. even though it is not guaranteed, it has been a pretty good place to put money and likely to continue to be a good place to put money.
Is it a form of risk that accidentally becomes a burden on their minds so that they are unable to survive when the price of Bitcoin drops significantly?  Indeed, investing large amounts of money or doing it all at once will affect their minds because they do not yet have a strong mentality when the situation turns around to what they expected.

In that context, investors who start with the DCA strategy may be better prepared when the market situation changes suddenly because they can buy more BTC and those who are not mentally strong may be quite stressed by this situation. However, the essence of this point is of course that long-term investment planning requires many things that must be prepared in advance, such as being mentally ready to face all changes that occur at unexpected times. Being a loyal holder of Bitcoin requires strong mental strength to be able to carry out what has been previously planned.
Many times there are trade-offs, and even though DCA tends to be the best, DCA might not be the best for a person who has a lump sum of money currently available, and it might be better to lump sum most, if not all of that money, and then perhaps just have money to continue to buy if the price dips.... that is why a newbie to bitcoin likely needs to consider the three categories of 1) DCA, 2) Lump sum and 3) Buy on dips, and perhaps have some money allocated to each of the three categories, and if s/he chooses to eliminate any of the categories, then s/he would have at least weighed the pros and cons of each of the categories.

So a person who suddenly has $6k available could divide the $6k into 3 parts, and then maybe also consider what to do based on considerations of anticipated cash coming in too.. so if the next 6 months, the person also has $6k of extra cash coming in, then that is going to be $12k over the next 6 months, and then another consideration might be how many BTC does s/he already have.  Maybe if s/he had already been buying bitcoin for a year then the perspective would be different from a brand new investor, and even as compared with someone who might have been buying BTC for 6 years or more.  How highly DCA would factor into the various situations is going to likely play out differently, especially if we also include some of the other factors such as view of bitcoin as compared with other assets, which other assets are already owned, risk tolerance, timeline, time, skills and abilities to trade, reallocate and/or to learn more as things go along.
But so far, perhaps I myself have never done one strategy, namely Lump sum and it is still foreign to me.

Just because you have never done it, and/or maybe you never considered it either because it is possible that you have not been serious about bitcoin for the past 7.5 years since you registered your forum account and/or you have not had any lump sum come in your direction for the past 7.5 years.

Even a small amount of money outside of the normal cashflow might be considered a lump sum, even for poor people, and if someone is investing $10 per week into BTC for the last two years (a total of $1,040), and all of a sudden he has an additional $600 or even $1200, he has a lump sum situation on his hand and if he decided that he is going to allocate it towards bitcoin, then he should consider all three categories, even if he might choose not to pursue all three categories, but it can become much more empowering for someone who usually is ONLY able to buy $10 per week of BTC to suddenly have more options and perhaps 1 or two years of his/her prior investment all of a sudden come available for considerations regarding what to do about it.

Well, I use two other methods, DCA and Buy on dips. Yes, because I am not experienced enough and have to improve myself to continue learning from what you have explained. This situation made me add one word for me to learn and that is lump sum.

I think it becomes more relevant once you have established a BTC accumulation plan and if you are following such plan, then if you suddenly have money come available to you, then you might consider investing it rather than spending it right away, but sure, maybe you will decide to ONLY invest half and to spend the other half on consumption goods.  Those are choices that come to people who either come across extra cash, or it could come from a situation in which you are deciding to reallocate some investments that had been building for a while, and the mere choice to reallocate may create a scenario in which all three categories of funding should at least be considered, even if you end up rejecting and/or minimizing one or more of them.

That trade off doesn't fall into the category of long-term investment, right? 

The trade off has to do with how you are thinking about your ways of investing, and sure it could have long term repercussions, yet if we are presuming that you already have a long term plan, then the idea of lump summing part of your investing (or it could also be referred to as front-loading your investment) most likely is affected on how you are viewing BTC's shorter-term price performance prospects, and since it sometimes can be dangerous to get too far into trying to predict shorter-term BTC price movements, we might create some stresses on ourselves if we end up employing one of the practices more than the other and then retrospectively seeing that we would have been better off to have had employed a different one of the practices.

I doubt that anyone can exactly figure out your own trade-offs, but there may be ways to talk through those kinds of potential trade-offs in a thread like this, whether you come across a certain situation yourself, you expect to come across a certain situation, or maybe you want to try to learn from a mistake that you may have made in the past regarding these kinds of matters.

Even I feel as if I could be perceived to be contradicting myself from time to time in terms of batting around these kinds of terms because surely I agree that DCA is the best practice for almost any newbie, but there are going to be situations in which there may be some desires to front run the investment with a lump sum or to defer buying right away by setting some money aside for buying on dips... so if you don't know what to do, then surely it seems the better of the decisions would be to just DCA and maybe hold back a little bit of your available funds so that you don't feel like you don't have enough money to buy more BTC if there is a further dip, but at the same time if you have a regular cashflow, or if you might have overly built up your emergency funds, you might already feel that you have plenty of cash on hand, so you don't necessarily feel any advantage towards holding back money to buy on dips. 

From the other angle, yeah, maybe lump sum buying would not come up as often, but surely some people who have regular jobs might even realize that they have bonus money coming in once or twice a year, and if they do not pre-plan to use that money for their expenses or for some consumption good, they could allocate some or all of that extra pay towards lump sum investing into BTC... and so as long as any of us have been serious about wanting to accumulate more bitcoin, then I would think that from time to time there are going to be situations that come up in which lump summing becomes one of the options that are available.

As far as I know, they play for short term investments, when there is profit, they don't forget to take it.

Sure, sometimes  any of us might refer to some short term strategies to over invest and then to cash out, but we are not really talking about those kinds of ideas in this thread.  In this thread, we are mostly attempting to talk about long term accumulation strategies, so long term accumulation strategies should be your way of considering the topics, unless someone here might be explaining some kind of a short-term (and likely mostly off topic) kind of considerations.

My earlier example of the extra $6k and the $6k for 6 months would be the kind of cash that has come available and/or can be considered for investing into BTC... whether it is invested over 6 months or it is front loaded or whether some kinds of cash is left aside for buying on dips, these are all buying strategies, and they are not short term trades... or anything like that. 

So I get the sense that you are easily distracted just like a lot of people who are looking for short term gainz because they are seeing the upcoming halvening and things like that, and sure we might want to consider how much to buy and to front load our investment because we are concerned that the BTC price might go up, but we end up kind of screwed if we frontload our investment and then the price goes down and we have no money to buy on dips and we also have no money to DCA because we blew too much of our available cash wadd too soon.

If I understand this point from what you explained, maybe someone who has a large amount of money will easily play roles in the 3 categories you have mentioned.

It is not about having a large amount of money, but surely it helps if you get some extra money, then lump sum becomes more relevant than if you are barely getting by with whatever you are able to invest, such as $10 per week... so sure, the 3 categories are more relevant for people with more money, but the fact that anyone is poor does not mean that they should not be considering the three categories when they might get some extra cash, even if it might only be a few months worth of DCA.. which might be a couple hundred dollars for the person who usually ONLY does $10 per week of DCA.

But one thing that might be quite interesting is when they divide their funds into 3 categories and if at this stage the market situation is in a bullish condition, are these 3 categories really good enough to apply or is DCA better?

You don't necessarily apply the three, but you consider whether you should apply any or all of the three, and you decide what you are going to do.  There may be a lot of situations that come up in which you reject anything but DCA, and surely if you don't know what to do, then probably it is better to just DCA any extra cash that you get into BTC and skip all other strategies, but as your BTC stash increases, you are likely going to want to become a bit more creative and more regularly considering all three of the BTC accumulation strategies rather than just defaulting to DCA, even though there is nothing wrong with DCA, but if you had been buying $10 per BTC for the past 8 years, and you invested $4,180 and you had accumulated 1.65 BTC (currently valued at right around $62,370 - which is right around 15x in profits), then you might be in the mood for some other strategies, especially if your income still ONLY gives you $10 per week to invest into BTC, even after 8 years of ongoingly buying BTC with that method.

Of course, if you want, you can continue to DCA, but it may not necessarily be in your best interest to stick with that same strategy since your circumstances had changed, even after a few years, your situation had also already changed, but if it were to have had taken you 8 years to figure out that your situation had changed, then maybe you are not studying your options enough or paying close enough attention?

Many times there are trade-offs, and even though DCA tends to be the best, DCA might not be the best for a person who has a lump sum of money currently available, and it might be better to lump sum most, if not all of that money, and then perhaps just have money to continue to buy if the price dips.... that is why a newbie to bitcoin likely needs to consider the three categories of 1) DCA, 2) Lump sum and 3) Buy on dips, and perhaps have some money allocated to each of the three categories, and if s/he chooses to eliminate any of the categories, then s/he would have at least weighed the pros and cons of each of the categories.
Well said mr JayJuanGee, I as a person would even recommend accumulating bitcoin using lump sum because, we are very close to the halving and any time from next year, we'll be experiencing the halving, so DCA and buy the dip should be kept on hold for now, so we can concentrate on accumulating as much as we can using lump sum. However, this bull run might take us to another all time high, so missing out this opportunity or not having enough bitcoin in your portfolio shouldn't be an excuse except, you can't afford to buy more due to some financial constrain. Now is the time for every bitcoin enthusiasts to step up their accumulation game by aggressively using lump sum to make huge buys and avoid the sell button. 

I am not even recommending lump sum, but I am recommending that there might be times in which we might want to consider changing our strategy and we have three options.. and if we end up buying way too much BTC and then the BTC price corrects instead of goes up, then we might have had ended up putting ourselves into a worse situation.  These are not easy decisions to make, but surely we have more options if suddenly we come across an unexpected bonus, but some guys decide to go out and take loans and other things like that, and I am not even recommending those strategies, even though sometimes they do seem to end up paying off quite handsomely, especially if you have other sources to pay back the loans in case that BTC prices do not end up moving in your favor in the coming 6-18 months or however long that you are expecting to need to have the BTC prices going up rather than down or sideways.
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Many times there are trade-offs, and even though DCA tends to be the best, DCA might not be the best for a person who has a lump sum of money currently available, and it might be better to lump sum most, if not all of that money, and then perhaps just have money to continue to buy if the price dips.... that is why a newbie to bitcoin likely needs to consider the three categories of 1) DCA, 2) Lump sum and 3) Buy on dips, and perhaps have some money allocated to each of the three categories, and if s/he chooses to eliminate any of the categories, then s/he would have at least weighed the pros and cons of each of the categories.

Well said mr JayJuanGee, I as a person would even recommend accumulating bitcoin using lump sum because, we are very close to the halving and any time from next year, we'll be experiencing the halving, so DCA and buy the dip should be kept on hold for now, so we can concentrate on accumulating as much as we can using lump sum. However, this bull run might take us to another all time high, so missing out this opportunity or not having enough bitcoin in your portfolio shouldn't be an excuse except, you can't afford to buy more due to some financial constrain. Now is the time for every bitcoin enthusiasts to step up their accumulation game by aggressively using lump sum to make huge buys and avoid the sell button. 
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It is hard to always know what happened, but frequently if someone invests too much then they are expecting the price to go down and not prepared for it to go down, and surely there can be advantages to the BTC price going down, even if you had preferred for the price to go up, which is buying more when it goes down.

So it can take a long time to actually get ahead of your investment in order that the price is always coming to you rather than you going to the price, so if you just continue to buy in a DCA kind of way, that can be one way of getting ahead of the BTC price, even if it might take 2-3 years to actually get to a point that your cost per BTC is actually less than the current price.  It is not guaranteed to happen, but so far anyone who persistently buys BTC, has been ending up getting into profits, even though sometimes it could take 2-3 years before the "being in profits" stage can actually end up happening.

A person who panics, and does not continue to buy but then sells and buys will likely NOT really get to any kind of stage in which his./her holdings is in front of the price.. and it seems such a simple strategy to merely just continue to buy (sure buying on the dip is fine, but buying at any price might well end up being fine in order to keep a person in the right kind of mindset of continuing to build the number of BTC that s/he has in his/her holdings and keeping some faith that that BTC is going to be profitable in the future.. even though it is not guaranteed, it has been a pretty good place to put money and likely to continue to be a good place to put money.
Is it a form of risk that accidentally becomes a burden on their minds so that they are unable to survive when the price of Bitcoin drops significantly?  Indeed, investing large amounts of money or doing it all at once will affect their minds because they do not yet have a strong mentality when the situation turns around to what they expected.

In that context, investors who start with the DCA strategy may be better prepared when the market situation changes suddenly because they can buy more BTC and those who are not mentally strong may be quite stressed by this situation. However, the essence of this point is of course that long-term investment planning requires many things that must be prepared in advance, such as being mentally ready to face all changes that occur at unexpected times. Being a loyal holder of Bitcoin requires strong mental strength to be able to carry out what has been previously planned.

Many times there are trade-offs, and even though DCA tends to be the best, DCA might not be the best for a person who has a lump sum of money currently available, and it might be better to lump sum most, if not all of that money, and then perhaps just have money to continue to buy if the price dips.... that is why a newbie to bitcoin likely needs to consider the three categories of 1) DCA, 2) Lump sum and 3) Buy on dips, and perhaps have some money allocated to each of the three categories, and if s/he chooses to eliminate any of the categories, then s/he would have at least weighed the pros and cons of each of the categories.

So a person who suddenly has $6k available could divide the $6k into 3 parts, and then maybe also consider what to do based on considerations of anticipated cash coming in too.. so if the next 6 months, the person also has $6k of extra cash coming in, then that is going to be $12k over the next 6 months, and then another consideration might be how many BTC does s/he already have.  Maybe if s/he had already been buying bitcoin for a year then the perspective would be different from a brand new investor, and even as compared with someone who might have been buying BTC for 6 years or more.  How highly DCA would factor into the various situations is going to likely play out differently, especially if we also include some of the other factors such as view of bitcoin as compared with other assets, which other assets are already owned, risk tolerance, timeline, time, skills and abilities to trade, reallocate and/or to learn more as things go along.
But so far, perhaps I myself have never done one strategy, namely Lump sum and it is still foreign to me. Well, I use two other methods, DCA and Buy on dips. Yes, because I am not experienced enough and have to improve myself to continue learning from what you have explained. This situation made me add one word for me to learn and that is lump sum.

That trade off doesn't fall into the category of long-term investment, right?  As far as I know, they play for short term investments, when there is profit, they don't forget to take it. If I understand this point from what you explained, maybe someone who has a large amount of money will easily play roles in the 3 categories you have mentioned. But one thing that might be quite interesting is when they divide their funds into 3 categories and if at this stage the market situation is in a bullish condition, are these 3 categories really good enough to apply or is DCA better?
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November 25, 2023, 04:36:01 PM
It is hard to always know what happened, but frequently if someone invests too much then they are expecting the price to go down and not prepared for it to go down, and surely there can be advantages to the BTC price going down, even if you had preferred for the price to go up, which is buying more when it goes down.

So it can take a long time to actually get ahead of your investment in order that the price is always coming to you rather than you going to the price, so if you just continue to buy in a DCA kind of way, that can be one way of getting ahead of the BTC price, even if it might take 2-3 years to actually get to a point that your cost per BTC is actually less than the current price.  It is not guaranteed to happen, but so far anyone who persistently buys BTC, has been ending up getting into profits, even though sometimes it could take 2-3 years before the "being in profits" stage can actually end up happening.

A person who panics, and does not continue to buy but then sells and buys will likely NOT really get to any kind of stage in which his./her holdings is in front of the price.. and it seems such a simple strategy to merely just continue to buy (sure buying on the dip is fine, but buying at any price might well end up being fine in order to keep a person in the right kind of mindset of continuing to build the number of BTC that s/he has in his/her holdings and keeping some faith that that BTC is going to be profitable in the future.. even though it is not guaranteed, it has been a pretty good place to put money and likely to continue to be a good place to put money.
Is it a form of risk that accidentally becomes a burden on their minds so that they are unable to survive when the price of Bitcoin drops significantly?  Indeed, investing large amounts of money or doing it all at once will affect their minds because they do not yet have a strong mentality when the situation turns around to what they expected.

In that context, investors who start with the DCA strategy may be better prepared when the market situation changes suddenly because they can buy more BTC and those who are not mentally strong may be quite stressed by this situation. However, the essence of this point is of course that long-term investment planning requires many things that must be prepared in advance, such as being mentally ready to face all changes that occur at unexpected times. Being a loyal holder of Bitcoin requires strong mental strength to be able to carry out what has been previously planned.

Many times there are trade-offs, and even though DCA tends to be the best, DCA might not be the best for a person who has a lump sum of money currently available, and it might be better to lump sum most, if not all of that money, and then perhaps just have money to continue to buy if the price dips.... that is why a newbie to bitcoin likely needs to consider the three categories of 1) DCA, 2) Lump sum and 3) Buy on dips, and perhaps have some money allocated to each of the three categories, and if s/he chooses to eliminate any of the categories, then s/he would have at least weighed the pros and cons of each of the categories.

So a person who suddenly has $6k available could divide the $6k into 3 parts, and then maybe also consider what to do based on considerations of anticipated cash coming in too.. so if the next 6 months, the person also has $6k of extra cash coming in, then that is going to be $12k over the next 6 months, and then another consideration might be how many BTC does s/he already have.  Maybe if s/he had already been buying bitcoin for a year then the perspective would be different from a brand new investor, and even as compared with someone who might have been buying BTC for 6 years or more.  How highly DCA would factor into the various situations is going to likely play out differently, especially if we also include some of the other factors such as view of bitcoin as compared with other assets, which other assets are already owned, risk tolerance, timeline, time, skills and abilities to trade, reallocate and/or to learn more as things go along.
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November 25, 2023, 04:20:14 PM
It is hard to always know what happened, but frequently if someone invests too much then they are expecting the price to go down and not prepared for it to go down, and surely there can be advantages to the BTC price going down, even if you had preferred for the price to go up, which is buying more when it goes down.

So it can take a long time to actually get ahead of your investment in order that the price is always coming to you rather than you going to the price, so if you just continue to buy in a DCA kind of way, that can be one way of getting ahead of the BTC price, even if it might take 2-3 years to actually get to a point that your cost per BTC is actually less than the current price.  It is not guaranteed to happen, but so far anyone who persistently buys BTC, has been ending up getting into profits, even though sometimes it could take 2-3 years before the "being in profits" stage can actually end up happening.

A person who panics, and does not continue to buy but then sells and buys will likely NOT really get to any kind of stage in which his./her holdings is in front of the price.. and it seems such a simple strategy to merely just continue to buy (sure buying on the dip is fine, but buying at any price might well end up being fine in order to keep a person in the right kind of mindset of continuing to build the number of BTC that s/he has in his/her holdings and keeping some faith that that BTC is going to be profitable in the future.. even though it is not guaranteed, it has been a pretty good place to put money and likely to continue to be a good place to put money.
Is it a form of risk that accidentally becomes a burden on their minds so that they are unable to survive when the price of Bitcoin drops significantly?  Indeed, investing large amounts of money or doing it all at once will affect their minds because they do not yet have a strong mentality when the situation turns around to what they expected.

In that context, investors who start with the DCA strategy may be better prepared when the market situation changes suddenly because they can buy more BTC and those who are not mentally strong may be quite stressed by this situation. However, the essence of this point is of course that long-term investment planning requires many things that must be prepared in advance, such as being mentally ready to face all changes that occur at unexpected times. Being a loyal holder of Bitcoin requires strong mental strength to be able to carry out what has been previously planned.
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November 25, 2023, 02:43:34 PM
Fuck shitcoins.  There is no reason to get involved in them, and if you cannot resist your desire to gamble and to fuck around with them, then limit your investment to no more than 10% of the size of your bitcoin holdings and your ongoing strategy should stick with 90% bitcoin.... including any new money that comes in.. make sure you get 90% in bitcoin before getting distracted into shitcoins.. and another bad thing about getting distracted into shitcoins, you are also distracted into dumb ideas.. which may well contribute to your abilities to understand bitcoin as well as you should.
Seriously  shitcoins tends to represent their name most times , as you've said I guess most of them are just shitty entirely  but shouldn't  there be a difference between Alt and shit ?? Just saying,  though shit coins are altcoins  but we all know why they are called shit  it's  mostly gamble like to trade shit coins

Yes, you can try to figure out which shitcoins are less shitty.  That is up to you... is it a good use of time or not.

In any event, if you go to analyze any shitcoin, you should presume that it is shitty, it is not worth spending time, money or your own energies/efforts investing into it, but if you study it for a while and you are able to overcome the presumption that it is shitty, then you would there after consider how much further to invest into it. .and those kinds of analyses are not relevant to this thread... in terms of decisions that you made that might allow you to justify more than the 10% limit that I suggested.. with any limit and/or starting point, you are of course free to analyze and come to your own determination to go outside those parameters.

Another thing that I frequently suggest to newbie investors is that they should start out investing in bitcoin anywhere between 1% and 25% of their investment portfolio, and if they do not have an investment portfolio, then they should start out by investing 1% to 25% of their income into bitcoin in order to start to build their bitcoin portfolio (which will later become part of a larger investment portfolio, even if it may well take several years before expanding beyond bitcoin and cash),  and at the same time, even though I provide 1% to 25% starting guidelines, any person is free to come to their own determination, and maybe if they are brand new, they have no information to even figure out whether their investment into bitcoin should be at the lower end of the range or at the higher end of the range, but they should start by figuring out the range first before going beyond it, but if they later can justify reasons to go outside of the range, then I have no problem with the idea of people coming to their own determination, especially if they have figured out reasons why they should go outside of the range besides pure gambling and/or yolo type behaviors but instead study and analysis of themselves, their finances, their psychology and other relevant investment matters which would also include considerations of bitcoin as compared with other possible investment opportunities.

And talking about the 90% van you please talk more about the 90% , is it based on current capital or all accumulative capital in total or maybe we can just say current cash at hand for investment..??

If you are brand new to investing into bitcoin, then I recommend that you invest anywhere between 1% to 25% of your investment portfolio into bitcoin, and if you do not have any other investment (besides cash) then I recommend that you invest 1% to 25% of your income into bitcoin, and so in the end that leaves you a lot of flexibility.  As far as shitcoins, I recommend only to invest up to 10% of the size of your bitcoin investment into shitcoins, so hopefully you are not reading me wrong into believing that you invest 90% of your portfolio into bitcoin or 90% of your networth, since I am not saying that, but if you have a cashflow and you have established a what are your expenses, and so you have a certain amount of you income that is available to invest, then usually you want to have a minimum of 3-6 months of cash (or other relatively liquid funds) available to cover various shortages of your cashflow and you should also have some extra amounts that are emergency cashflow.  You should have those kinds of systems in place before you invest into anything, but sometimes you can build the emergency cashflow and the BTC holdings at the same time with a kind of target  of getting to 3-6 months of emergency cash that is not bitcoin. 

Let's say for example, you make $1k per month, but you know that around $700 to $800 per month are your expenses, so you ONLY have $200 to $300 left over that you could invest, so maybe if you are a beginner, you might devote half of the extra towards building up your cash reserves and the other half to buy bitcoin, but if your target it to have 6 months of cash reserves, then you might need to get to between $4,300 and $4,800 in cash reserves, and it would be your discretion whether you build your bitcoin up at the same pace, because it can take a long time to build up that amount of cash reserves if you only have $200-$300 per month to build it up, and there could be ways to consider getting your pay to exist or cutting some of your monthly expenses..and you will have much more freedom to be aggressive with your bitcoin investment once you have build a decently strong cash reserves.

The market for Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies is uncertain,

But we are not talking about "other cryptocurrencies" here, so why mention such thing?  We are talking about bitcoin. Focus is good, no?

anything can happen at any time and it is impossible to be certain about the market in advance.

Sure anything can happen, but if we don't have any bitcoin at all, then we better start buying some rather than just looking at it and saying "anything can happen."  If we do not buy any bitcoin, then we are not preparing ourselves for bitcoin to go up, but even if we buy some bitcoin, we can still be prepared for bitcoin to go down by still having some money available, just in case BTC prices go down further after we had already bought.

Try to know the Bitcoin market well and if you try to know, you will come to know at some point that no matter how confident you invest in Bitcoin, your money remains at risk. After getting enough knowledge about the market and analyzing the market, we must accept the risk that remains in the investment. Maybe our little money risk will pay off well in the future.

There is nothing wrong with these ideas, and likely we prepare for the BTC price to go up or to go down by buying and position size and then likely if we do not know very much we continue to study, and if we are lacking in confidence regarding our lack of knowledge about bitcoin, then we likely need to keep our BTC position size down enough so that we are able to study and to gain confidence so that our position size is somewhat lined up with the level of our knowledge and confidence about BTC.

We have enough trust in Bitcoin and we need to use this trust to invest in Bitcoin.

Hopefully we are not relying too much on blind trust, but as you mentioned earlier a kind of trust that comes from studying and understanding (as best as we can) what kind of actual factors contribute towards our having confidence in bitcoin's investment thesis.. and why we want to invest and how much we want to invest based on our having had tried our best to study reasons for and against bitcoin's investment thesis and continuing to revisit our ideas about the strength (or lack) of bitcoin's investment thesis with the passage of time and with new information we can attempt to figure out if anything that has been happening challenges our investment thesis.. and if our bitcoin investment size continues to be appropriate, then we continue to stick with it.. and it is possible that even if we continue to study bitcoin, that there may be learnings along the way that may cause us to think differently about bitcoin as compared with earlier, but at the same time the strength of our investment thesis may or may not end up changing along the way.

Whenever we make an investment relying on Bitcoin, we don't have much to worry about this investment and we can definitely hold our investment for a long time. When an investor plans to hold his investment for a long time at the beginning of the investment, he goes a step ahead in getting better returns from his investment.

Holding a long time does not cause bitcoin's investment thesis to become more certain, but it could affect how we go about investing into bitcoin if we consider that we are likely going to be holding bitcoin 10, 20, 30 or more years. .but then at the same time, we might be considering that when we are earlier in our bitcoin investment journey we likely are more into building it, but then later on in the longer term, we may well be making some adjustments in regards to if we start to believe that we have accumulated enough or if there might be some preferable changes in our strategy that likely would be informed in part based on how many BTC we have had accumulated and how the BTC had performed as compared to other investments that we hold and as compared to other investments (or consumption interests) that might be available to us at various later points down the road.

Its more profitable to accumulate Bitcoin when its down then when its up. Like its more beneficial to accumulate Bitcoin when its down to 20k then when its trading on 67k.
But its human nature that they are more willing to invest when price goes up rather when its up. See for instance the fear and greed index. Generally the needle is on the left down side of the ring when price is down and its on right side when price goes up.  

https://alternative.me/crypto/fear-and-greed-index/
If we allow risk or greed to take over our mindset, then we will not be able to invest and accumulate Bitcoin at the same time with fear.

Measuring market sentiment is not a very good way to figure out our own strategies, and sure it might affect us in small ways, but it should not be central in terms of our figuring out and following strategies that we have established.

Although, I agree that our profits all depend on the amount and how frequently we click the buy button, in years to come, 1 Satoshi will be worth a hundred boxes or more, so if we can start from now to buy and hodl then we will not regret our actions because we have invested earlier, accumulated with DCA strategy without any fear or greed.

That's true.

If Bitcoin's price increases, we investors will be very happy about that, but at the same time, there are others that will still want it to drop so that they can buy. Those that are praying for Bitcoin to reduce are the guys that have not yet invested, so they just sit down and wait for Bitcoin to be reduced, so that they can buy.

Yep, and they might be sitting a long time since one of the better things to do is to act upon plans rather than sitting around waiting, and even if the BTC price does drop, will that cause them to buy and will it make any difference towards their overall psychology in  terms of if they had just been buying all along instead of waiting for dips that may or may not happen and for the answers to unimportant (or unknowable) questions regarding whether the dip is enough of a dip or not.

However, I come to think that those that want the price of Bitcoin to be reduced are the ones that are so scared and greedy. At the same time, they don't want to buy at a high price, so they are waiting for the price to reduce. (I am trying to say, people should not mix fear and greed when investing).

Just buying regularly will have good chances to get the investor into a better mindset, and if they are worried that the BTC price is too much, then just buy less, but probably not so great to stop buying unless you have reached some kind of BTC accumulation goal that justifies making such downward adjustments to regular and ongoing BTC buys.
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November 25, 2023, 01:21:33 PM

Its more profitable to accumulate Bitcoin when its down then when its up. Like its more beneficial to accumulate Bitcoin when its down to 20k then when its trading on 67k.
But its human nature that they are more willing to invest when price goes up rather when its up. See for instance the fear and greed index. Generally the needle is on the left down side of the ring when price is down and its on right side when price goes up.  


https://alternative.me/crypto/fear-and-greed-index/
If we allow risk or greed to take over our mindset, then we will not be able to invest and accumulate Bitcoin at the same time with fear.
Although, I agree that our profits all depend on the amount and how frequently we click the buy button, in years to come, 1 Satoshi will be worth a hundred boxes or more, so if we can start from now to buy and hodl then we will not regret our actions because we have invested earlier, accumulated with DCA strategy without any fear or greed.

If Bitcoin's price increases, we investors will be very happy about that, but at the same time, there are others that will still want it to drop so that they can buy. Those that are praying for Bitcoin to reduce are the guys that have not yet invested, so they just sit down and wait for Bitcoin to be reduced, so that they can buy.

However, I come to think that those that want the price of Bitcoin to be reduced are the ones that are so scared and greedy. At the same time, they don't want to buy at a high price, so they are waiting for the price to reduce. (I am trying to say, people should not mix fear and greed when investing).
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November 25, 2023, 08:43:23 AM
Do not hold bitcoins in anticipation of future bitcoin halvings. You need to hold for a long time because the original Bitcoin holders are always invested for a long time. But you just mentioned bitcoin halving it's a small bitcoin investment. By using a hardware wallet you can hold bitcoins for a long time. And you can deposit with DCA method every week or monthly equivalent amount of 10 to 15 dollars. Accumulating fiat money causes a lot of ricks because the value of the dollar is only increasing but the value of fiat money is decreasing. So I chose Bitcoin as the best way because the longer I hold Bitcoin the more profit I can make.

Of course, everyone clearly knows that by continuing to keep Bitcoin for a long time, it will provide significant profits in time and I agree that you don't always have to buy large amounts, you can do it in installments with the goal that you will eventually achieve it. The halving era will be here soon. It is certain that next year there will be a significant increase, but it is possible that there will be a correction first, even though it is currently increasing.

You are sure that the price of bitcoin will increase next year but I can never say for sure whether the price of bitcoin will increase next year.  So far I have invested in Bitcoin only with the idea of the market but I have never been able to invest in Bitcoin for sure. The market for Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies is uncertain, anything can happen at any time and it is impossible to be certain about the market in advance. Try to know the Bitcoin market well and if you try to know, you will come to know at some point that no matter how confident you invest in Bitcoin, your money remains at risk. After getting enough knowledge about the market and analyzing the market, we must accept the risk that remains in the investment. Maybe our little money risk will pay off well in the future.

We have enough trust in Bitcoin and we need to use this trust to invest in Bitcoin. Whenever we make an investment relying on Bitcoin, we don't have much to worry about this investment and we can definitely hold our investment for a long time. When an investor plans to hold his investment for a long time at the beginning of the investment, he goes a step ahead in getting better returns from his investment.
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Fuck shitcoins.  There is no reason to get involved in them, and if you cannot resist your desire to gamble and to fuck around with them, then limit your investment to no more than 10% of the size of your bitcoin holdings and your ongoing strategy should stick with 90% bitcoin.... including any new money that comes in.. make sure you get 90% in bitcoin before getting distracted into shitcoins.. and another bad thing about getting distracted into shitcoins, you are also distracted into dumb ideas.. which may well contribute to your abilities to understand bitcoin as well as you should.


Seriously  shitcoins tends to represent their name most times , as you've said I guess most of them are just shitty entirely  but shouldn't  there be a difference between Alt and shit ?? Just saying,  though shit coins are altcoins  but we all know why they are called shit  it's  mostly gamble like to trade shit coins

And talking about the 90% van you please talk more about the 90% , is it based on current capital or all accumulative capital in total or maybe we can just say current cash at hand for investment..??
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November 25, 2023, 07:18:22 AM
Do not hold bitcoins in anticipation of future bitcoin halvings. You need to hold for a long time because the original Bitcoin holders are always invested for a long time. But you just mentioned bitcoin halving it's a small bitcoin investment. By using a hardware wallet you can hold bitcoins for a long time. And you can deposit with DCA method every week or monthly equivalent amount of 10 to 15 dollars. Accumulating fiat money causes a lot of ricks because the value of the dollar is only increasing but the value of fiat money is decreasing. So I chose Bitcoin as the best way because the longer I hold Bitcoin the more profit I can make.

Of course, everyone clearly knows that by continuing to keep Bitcoin for a long time, it will provide significant profits in time and I agree that you don't always have to buy large amounts, you can do it in installments with the goal that you will eventually achieve it. The halving era will be here soon. It is certain that next year there will be a significant increase, but it is possible that there will be a correction first, even though it is currently increasing.
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November 25, 2023, 05:58:03 AM
Yeah actually let me try if I can answer your question, so however first you need to understand the word diversification  it means expanding or enlarging your investment to some other things, but however chosen altcoins to invest could also be known as diversification because irrespective of there general name which is crytocurrency but they have different sub names, but however I would not advised you to invest on altcoins as a diversification because they are not worth it.

If you are looking for were to diversify some of your investment, altcoins shouldn't be an option or perhaps you could just stick to only on Bitcoin.
The expanded understanding of investment that you say sounds quite good and also very profitable, but because the direction of the advice can also be related to altcoins, I would prefer to use altcoins to trade in the short term or daily because the profits I can get from altcoins can also I converted it to Bitcoin so that my number of Bitcoins can continue to increase because my focus is actually only Bitcoin, not altcoins whose potential is very uncertain at various moments.
We often plan but things don't go according to plan. Turns out we planned one thing and something different happened to us. It sounds great that buying alt coins and selling them at a higher price means you're investing in Bitcoin, but it might be the opposite of what you think. Suppose you buy ALT Coins in short term plan and after purchase you lose much more than you expected instead of profit but you cannot sell ALT Coins at loss and also you cannot invest Bitcoin. I think we should invest in Bitcoin directly without thinking so much. The profit you think you made with ALT Coins you make directly with Bitcoin and it will be safe for you. I don't think it is safe at all to buy ALT coins in hopes of making some profit. Bitcoin is the most reliable digital currency so trust Bitcoin, buy Bitcoin, hold that Bitcoin deep and you are worry free. Since there is no fixed investment level, you can increase your investment anytime you want, so buying Bitcoin will be a good decision for you.

This has been very clear for a long time, mate, there are even thousands of altcoins that have died and disappeared from the market, so this has made Bitcoin a very clear investment direction and also very profitable because it will not experience bad things like what happened to you. There are many altcoins and other shitcoins in the market.
If we are in a dilemma about which coin to invest in, whether it's thinking about investing, thinking about Bitcoin, thinking about ALT coins, then we have to understand that we have very little idea about everything. It is easy to decide where to invest even for those who have minimal understanding of the market. If there was only one option to invest that must be to invest in ALT coin then it is a different matter but where there are options to invest in Bitcoin it is definitely foolish to think of investing in other coins in the market. If you have love for your money and don't want to lose your money, you must invest in Bitcoin and if you expect something good from the investment, you must keep the investment for a long time.

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You can never survive investing with Altcoins. Altcoins are not long-term holdings because the altcoin market is always bearish. Investing in Altcoins always has a high chance of losing 100% of your wealth. Among them are coins like FTX, Luna and many others that have completely disappeared from the market. And the wealth of thousands of people has turned into zero balance. So it is better to stay away from Altcoin investment.
That's true and sometimes some people only use altcoins to increase the amount of Bitcoin they have in their wallet because some people are already happy with Bitcoin and are also happy with Bitcoin investments. Then the profits from other things from the crypto market will be turned back into Bitcoin so that the amount of investment will also increase over time, so we also have to have ways to utilize less useful things like altcoins in order to increase the actual goals we want.
There are many ways to make your bitcoin investment rich, where there are many ways to make your investment rich why should we invest in ALT coins to ensure maximum risk of our money. Investing in ALT coins where there is doubt about getting a return on that investment how do you expect to invest in Bitcoin with a portion of the profit you get from that investment. Make investing easy without looking so hard Investing in Bitcoin for the long term makes it so easy that you don't need to look at investing so hard. If you plan to hold Bitcoin for a long time, you can buy Bitcoins with any amount of money at any time in the market because there is always an opportunity to increase the amount of investment.
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November 25, 2023, 04:43:29 AM
And then again, their is not like “it’s as if the money they spend the more profit they make” the truth is, the money you can be able to accumulate the higher profit that you will be expecting when the price of bitcoin will go up those who hold less can not be compared with those who hold larger amount, the profit percentage might be the same depending on the entry price and time of selling but the high you hold the hirer the profit, the only time I can be against anyone buying more bitcoin is if they can’t afford the money they pump in it but they either use others funds or borrow just to accumulate, if they can afford it then they are free to buy as many as they went.

Its more profitable to accumulate Bitcoin when its down then when its up. Like its more beneficial to accumulate Bitcoin when its down to 20k then when its trading on 67k.
But its human nature that they are more willing to invest when price goes up rather when its up. See for instance the fear and greed index. Generally the needle is on the left down side of the ring when price is down and its on right side when price goes up.  


https://alternative.me/crypto/fear-and-greed-index/
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November 25, 2023, 04:00:45 AM
Yeah actually let me try if I can answer your question, so however first you need to understand the word diversification  it means expanding or enlarging your investment to some other things, but however chosen altcoins to invest could also be known as diversification because irrespective of there general name which is crytocurrency but they have different sub names, but however I would not advised you to invest on altcoins as a diversification because they are not worth it.

If you are looking for were to diversify some of your investment, altcoins shouldn't be an option or perhaps you could just stick to only on Bitcoin.
The expanded understanding of investment that you say sounds quite good and also very profitable, but because the direction of the advice can also be related to altcoins, I would prefer to use altcoins to trade in the short term or daily because the profits I can get from altcoins can also I converted it to Bitcoin so that my number of Bitcoins can continue to increase because my focus is actually only Bitcoin, not altcoins whose potential is very uncertain at various moments.


Bitcoin is always the best, because those who are modern today are ready to use Bitcoin. Bitcoin is the only long-term investment possible, but other Altcoins are not. Because I have seen thousands of Altcoins still disappearing from the market. So for long-term investment, definitely support Bitcoin.
This has been very clear for a long time, mate, there are even thousands of altcoins that have died and disappeared from the market, so this has made Bitcoin a very clear investment direction and also very profitable because it will not experience bad things like what happened to you. There are many altcoins and other shitcoins in the market.

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You can never survive investing with Altcoins. Altcoins are not long-term holdings because the altcoin market is always bearish. Investing in Altcoins always has a high chance of losing 100% of your wealth. Among them are coins like FTX, Luna and many others that have completely disappeared from the market. And the wealth of thousands of people has turned into zero balance. So it is better to stay away from Altcoin investment.
That's true and sometimes some people only use altcoins to increase the amount of Bitcoin they have in their wallet because some people are already happy with Bitcoin and are also happy with Bitcoin investments. Then the profits from other things from the crypto market will be turned back into Bitcoin so that the amount of investment will also increase over time, so we also have to have ways to utilize less useful things like altcoins in order to increase the actual goals we want.
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November 25, 2023, 02:44:58 AM
Mate, are you trying to say that we should also invest in altcoin? So that our eggs will not only be on Bitcoin investment. It is never good to invest in altcoin because you are not the dev of the altcoin, and if anything wrong happens at the back end you will not know. Investing in altcoin is just like someone playing gambling and you will lose your money if you are investing in altcoin because altcoin is a pump-and-dump token, that is after your money. As far as crypto is concerned, there is nothing like Bitcoin because you will not only make a profit from your Bitcoin investment, but Bitcoin gives you total control over your money, no third party will decide how you will use your Bitcoin, and you can also use your Bitcoin to send money to your family members staying abroad.
I understand your point relating to the risk factor of this altcoins but at a point I had to settle down and make close observation into this altcoins and I feel at some point they are worth investing into but extreme caution needs to be taken.
Just the way strategies are applied in accumulating Bitcoin that is how strategic you need to be when buying this altcoins, quote me
here  Not for a long term hold.

Altcoins are most a pump and dump coin, we know after making waves and all that it must surely dump and very difficult to see any altcoins bounce back so why can't I venture into the market at a very short period of time might be weeks and earn that profit when it's pump and before it's dump I sell.

Bitcoin is the ultimate and no other currency stands a chance but considering the fact that just with little investment in altcoins you can make profits from it within a short period of time and still add those profits into my Bitcoin portfolio.
Altcoins are risky? Yes. Bitcoin is risky? No. That is one difference between them considering the risk factor

This is one of the reasons why you should not invest your funds in altcoins because they are pump-and-dump coins that can not deliver what they promise to their investors. Most altcoins are a scam after taking investors' funds they will rug-pull the coin and run away with investors' money. With Bitcoin, you will not experience all these problems, and your investment in Bitcoin will be safe, all you need is to buy Bitcoin with a DCA strategy and Bitcoin always recovers its price.

The word investment doesn't apply literally to altcoins as they are not viable and reliable for long term plan. Altcoins are liken to gambling, so in my opinion it's better for anyone to use the money he's planning on investing in an altcoin to rather use it for actual gambling in a casino, in that case you are conscious that you are now gambling with your funds so it's a 50-50 chance of loss or profit if your lucky.

As the bullrun is getting closer we shouldn't be taken aback seeing some altcoins doing better all in disguise only to carpet flat after many would have innocent invested their money. I bet that many of the altcoins prices won't be rising along with bitcoin when the bullrun eventually kick start, they rather be doing the opposite. I rather be doing my little DCA holding strategy with bitcoin  with the little % from my monthly income while waiting for the bullrun, it better to partake in it with the little you can  than sitting on the fence.

I don't think gambling is the best option compeard to altcoin investment. We all know that altcoin are alternative to bitcoin and has a lesser attraction compeard to bitcoin but that doesn't mean altcoin should be totally neglected. We always talk about diversification of potfolio. What do you really think about it? Because i see it as investing in different altcoin apart from the usual BTC . Fake altcoin project looming around Crypto market might create a bad inpression on altcoin, but there are some altcoin that has an investment value. Let's take for example etherium. It has stand as next of kin to bitcoin and has an investment value. It better off to invest in etherium or BNB than gambling your money, because there is no volatility on gambling. But in Crypto currency if you invest and loose, there is a tendency for you to regain back your lost when the market is green. But in gambling if it fails, that's just the end. When speculating on altcoins be specific. Like saying I rather gamble with my money Dan investing in meme or fomo.
Why I say gambling and investing in altcoins are the same thing is because in gambling you are not sure of winning your bet and in altcoins investment, you are not also sure of making a profit from your investment. For instance, you can see what happened in the bear market, so many altcoins have done ---95 % in price which means they are dead projects and will never recover in price. And so many investors have lost their money in such altcoin investments. If you do not want t to experience this, don't invest your money in altcoins. When you invest your money in Bitcoin your investment is safe because Bitcoin gives you the freedom to move your money whenever you want and it also recovers in price. Remember there could only be a total of 21,000,000 Bitcoins.
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