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August 11, 2023, 10:30:40 AM
Wow!
Jay you have said it all, bitcoin has a higher use case compared to gold. Bitcoin can be used for payment, Investment, Store of value, Donations and Smart contract so why would I choose gold over bitcoin. Ha ha if money can't buy your love, maybe bitcoin will do.
Obviously you can, because I have also seen people who propose to their love after owning Bitcoin, either he has sold Bitcoin to build a family by getting married, or he still has it today. Because maybe he has also fallen in love with Bitcoin after knowing more about Bitcoin which can indeed be used as payments, Investments, Store of value, Donations, and Smart contracts. If you have a lot of gold in your life I think you can sell some of it to buy Bitcoin if you already know a lot about Bitcoin. But that's just a small suggestion from me because the final decision is still in your own hands.
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August 11, 2023, 09:41:21 AM

Basically I don't mind someone's decision to diversify their assets instead of just bitcoin. Of course I don't want to elaborate on the potential benefits of diversifying them, but let's be honest that such an approach can never go completely wrong in your investment plan.

Diversifying one's investment is not even a bad idea when carrying out investment, but like on this thread, where we are only discussing bitcoin investment and how to manage one's investment very well, Investing in Bitcoin is by choice and not a forceful thing. Anyone who wants to diversify their investment can still do so, but only if they have a lot of money to do so. For instance, if someone receives up to $3k in a month, they can decide to invest $1k in Bitcoin every month while they invest another $1k in something of their interest and use the remaining $1k to pay bills. Well, the inflow of cash can still be low, but the person knows better how he or she can share the funds across any other investment they want to make.
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August 11, 2023, 09:20:54 AM
Yeah your actually correct but from my observation similar to what Jay said, selling off your gold to Bitcoin is actually a wise decision but the security of your key phrases are are not guaranteed because loosing the key is equal as losing your money and even if you should entrust it to someone, what are the chances that he will not scam you and made away with your money but the safest way is to keep it at your only reach were no one has access to except you.
I entrusted the key to healing to the right person, namely my own wife. Because our original goal was to collect Bitcoins for my young son's future so that when he grows up he will have an inheritance. So far, that's all we've done together as one of the legacies we can give. Because of that, we have considered many things, starting from securing the recovery seed, etc. Do as much as possible in a safe way only the two of us know.

Regardless of how we have done it, we still realize that we are not fully able to invest regularly, sometimes we can only afford it once a week, once a month or even once every 2 months, depending on the available money after which basic needs are met.
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August 11, 2023, 06:19:11 AM
To the readers of the topic. In my humble opinion, diversification for plebs like us is a bad investment strategy. VERY bad in fact. Why? Because we don't have the same amount of capital as Warren Buffett to make it effective. If their $1 billion invested makes 20% in one year, that's $200,000,000. I believe that's more than enough especially if they outperformed the S&P 500 index.

Plus we don't need the hedge to reduce volatility because we are not asset managers who manage OTHER people's money. For us, we concentrate to one or two investments, if we want to truly make an amount of money that matters.

What is your take on investing in the physical sector like real estate? I know of my country where real estate is a huge business that gives massive return on investment. From the records available, the value of real estate here doubles every decade and it is reliable and transferable to heirs. This can be a good option to add to Bitcoin.

I understand Bitcoin do give more than double with a decade and this  trend does not look it will change soon. The bottom-line of our discussion is how to generate sustainable wealth so, I a kind of still support other business venture like real estate that can also be good investment opportunities. Besides, there is joy and self fulfillment you get when you see your physical asset.

However, Bitcoin does not require so much technicality to venture into...the entire process of buying, storing and buying more can be learnt within a short period of time at one's convenient time and location. Unlike other ventures that requires so much processes like documentations, legal aspect and others; all of which have associated risks.
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August 11, 2023, 04:44:13 AM
@Wind_FURY- and this could be BTC or any others assets like stocks or like property if you can afford it. I have bitcoin and stocks though, so I'm good with it. But if  I will add diversification, and if my chance my bitcoin holdings will be enough for me to buy a good property than I can afford then I will do it. And then I will continue with my bitcoin strategy to collect again, at least in another 4 year cycle and then still maintain that property or even can make money out of it by renting it monthly, that will be perfect diversification for me.
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August 11, 2023, 02:32:59 AM
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You are right; that's the reason why some people cease to invest in Bitcoin and land themselves in a hot soup of shitcoins, but still end up regretting their decision when they can't get any profit. Some people usually have the mindset that Bitcoin is too expensive to buy a whole, but I still try to convince anyone I come across with such a mindset, telling them that they don't need to buy a whole of Bitcoin at once, nor do they need to save for many years before they can buy one Bitcoin at once. If one is still consistent in their accumulation, either weekly or even monthly, depending on how often they are getting the cash inflow, then they might still be able to accumulate a huge fraction of Bitcoin before they realise it.
Basically I don't mind someone's decision to diversify their assets instead of just bitcoin. Of course I don't want to elaborate on the potential benefits of diversifying them, but let's be honest that such an approach can never go completely wrong in your investment plan.


Diversification is always encouraged in investing, but don't make the mistake of thinking that investing in shitcoins is considered diversification. Don't forget, the entire crypto industry is largely dependent on bitcoin, every market move follows bitcoin, so it's naive to invest in shitcoins and think it can save you risk.  

You can see, during last year's extreme bear season, bitcoin fell from $69k to $15k but only in the first few months of this year. Bitcoin has recovered and is at $30k, while thousands of shitcoins are still dropping hundreds of times and haven't had any significant recovery yet. So investing in shitcoins is not called diversification, diversification is when you invest in non-crypto assets.

In the crypto market, bitcoin is the only investment we have, the rest should only be considered gambling and not investment.


To the readers of the topic. In my humble opinion, diversification for plebs like us is a bad investment strategy. VERY bad in fact. Why? Because we don't have the same amount of capital as Warren Buffett to make it effective. If their $1 billion invested makes 20% in one year, that's $200,000,000. I believe that's more than enough especially if they outperformed the S&P 500 index.

Plus we don't need the hedge to reduce volatility because we are not asset managers who manage OTHER people's money. For us, we concentrate to one or two investments, if we want to truly make an amount of money that matters.
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August 11, 2023, 12:04:52 AM
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You are right; that's the reason why some people cease to invest in Bitcoin and land themselves in a hot soup of shitcoins, but still end up regretting their decision when they can't get any profit. Some people usually have the mindset that Bitcoin is too expensive to buy a whole, but I still try to convince anyone I come across with such a mindset, telling them that they don't need to buy a whole of Bitcoin at once, nor do they need to save for many years before they can buy one Bitcoin at once. If one is still consistent in their accumulation, either weekly or even monthly, depending on how often they are getting the cash inflow, then they might still be able to accumulate a huge fraction of Bitcoin before they realise it.
Basically I don't mind someone's decision to diversify their assets instead of just bitcoin. Of course I don't want to elaborate on the potential benefits of diversifying them, but let's be honest that such an approach can never go completely wrong in your investment plan.


Diversification is always encouraged in investing, but don't make the mistake of thinking that investing in shitcoins is considered diversification. Don't forget, the entire crypto industry is largely dependent on bitcoin, every market move follows bitcoin, so it's naive to invest in shitcoins and think it can save you risk. 

You can see, during last year's extreme bear season, bitcoin fell from $69k to $15k but only in the first few months of this year. Bitcoin has recovered and is at $30k, while thousands of shitcoins are still dropping hundreds of times and haven't had any significant recovery yet. So investing in shitcoins is not called diversification, diversification is when you invest in non-crypto assets.

In the crypto market, bitcoin is the only investment we have, the rest should only be considered gambling and not investment.
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August 10, 2023, 10:12:51 PM
Another supporting point is that if you consider bitcoin to be a kind of hedge against the whole system in the context of history in which gold was serving that purpose, then bitcoin has largely taken that use case for gold and is about 1,000x better than gold in terms of its verifiability, divisibility, transportability, securability (and cost of security) and even scarcity.

Your arguments in favour of Bitcoin's superiority as store of value, hedge against inflation and growth potential are truly very convincing. Since Bitcoin emerged onto the global financial stage, its unique attributes have cast shadow over the effectiveness of other assets that traditionally held these roles. The gradual diminishing effectiveness of these assets can be attributed to the profound impact Bitcoin has had on the landscape of global financial system.
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August 10, 2023, 06:20:41 PM
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August 10, 2023, 05:47:50 PM
It seems to me that bitcoin is going to continue to eat gold's lunch, just as it has done in the past 10 years or more, so on an individual level you likely need to figure out how much to waste your time, energy and value to place it into gold... but whatever, each of us need to decide for ourselves the extent to which we might end up diluting our bitcoin investment into things like gold... I would suggest don't waste your time and money to invest any more than 10% of the value of your bitcoin investment into gold, but hey, you can do what you like.

Your observation is valid that Bitcoin can potentially replace Gold as a store of value gradually in the long run.. However, it is important to note that Gold has been considered as an important asset and hedge against fiat currencies since the dawn of human civilization. Furthermore, a significant potion of world population is unfamiliar with Bitcoin, but they know the value of Gold. In this context, it will take long time before Bitcoin can effectively replace Gold. Therefore, it is a good suggestion to incorporate Gold in our investment portfolio to certain extent, thereby achieving diversification benefits.
It always depends on the type of investor you want to be and the level of risk you're comfortable with in your investment strategy. Bitcoin offers an opportunity for those with higher risk tolerance, while physical gold provides a long-term and secure investment option. One thing I am certain about is that Bitcoin poses a threat to gold due to its use of blockchain technology, which offers strong security for owners. Unlike gold, which can be stolen if physically accessed, Bitcoin's digital nature provides protection. If enhanced security measures can be applied to various exchanges, then why would I keep my assets physically visible when I could store them digitally and keep them hidden?
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August 10, 2023, 05:24:56 PM
Fuck gold.

It is not a good idea to incorporate gold into your investment portfolio.. especially when we are here talking about bitcoin, and are we again going to getting into those nonsense gold versus bitcoin discussions when we are supposed to be talking about bitcoin - and surely there are other threads about that or if not other threads can be made.

Ok... let me bite a bit on this topic. Sure if you are used to gold, and you have some systems to actually interact with gold that you already know, then sure maybe get a bit of exposure to it.  Otherwise, you should realize that bitcoin is in about the territory of 1,000x better than gold, so even if it takes 100 or 200 years for bitcoin to actually reach its fair/appropriate price in respects to gold, you should be able to pretty much recognize and appreciate the direction that the whole thing is going (when it comes to gold versus bitcoin and the fact that currently bitcoin is priced about 1/20th of the current market price of gold. which surely we can already see that bitcoin has been closing the gap and has closed the gap a lot over the past 10 years or so - and maybe the first few years of bitcoin's history might not count as much when it comes to having some kind of a monetary starting point), so in that regard, gold remains a BIG ass waste of time, energy and value (and in essence a distraction - and likely a way to help you in terms of your having fun staying poor) to be fucking around with gold - when there is bitcoin.

Another supporting point is that if you consider bitcoin to be a kind of hedge against the whole system in the context of history in which gold was serving that purpose, then bitcoin has largely taken that use case for gold and is about 1,000x better than gold in terms of its verifiability, divisibility, transportability, securability (and cost of security) and even scarcity.
Hahaha Jay what a coincidence, I also want to say fuck gold!!

2 days ago my wife told me that before getting married she collected 6 pieces of Antam gold which she repays every month but she forgot to keep them. 2 hours later the gold was found in a shabby wallet. I laugh how much it costs now? while showing my Bitcoin portfolio and saying this is a lesson for you, don't keep gold, rather sell the gold and put the money from the sale into Bitcoin, the results will show. If you lose gold, no one can return it, whereas Bitcoin can be returned if you hold the seed of recovery. The simple lesson of this short story made my wife follow the advice. This morning he went to the market to exchange his gold and handed me the money saying put it in Bitcoin!!!!


Yeah your actually correct but from my observation similar to what Jay said, selling off your gold to Bitcoin is actually a wise decision but the security of your key phrases are are not guaranteed because loosing the key is equal as losing your money and even if you should entrust it to someone, what are the chances that he will not scam you and made away with your money but the safest way is to keep it at your only reach were no one has access to except you.
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August 10, 2023, 04:36:07 PM
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You are right; that's the reason why some people cease to invest in Bitcoin and land themselves in a hot soup of shitcoins, but still end up regretting their decision when they can't get any profit. Some people usually have the mindset that Bitcoin is too expensive to buy a whole, but I still try to convince anyone I come across with such a mindset, telling them that they don't need to buy a whole of Bitcoin at once, nor do they need to save for many years before they can buy one Bitcoin at once. If one is still consistent in their accumulation, either weekly or even monthly, depending on how often they are getting the cash inflow, then they might still be able to accumulate a huge fraction of Bitcoin before they realise it.
Basically I don't mind someone's decision to diversify their assets instead of just bitcoin. Of course I don't want to elaborate on the potential benefits of diversifying them, but let's be honest that such an approach can never go completely wrong in your investment plan.

Buy dip and hold is the best way for anyone looking to accumulate. A limited/small budget is not the main problem as long as they have the desire, it's just that a lot of people are greedy where they want to get rich quick without understanding how best to do it. You don't need to rush to own 1 bitcoin, but just do it consistently and get yours within your budget.
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August 10, 2023, 02:48:45 PM
Actually we don't really need a lot of money to then buy Bitcoin if our finances don't support it, everything starts small, I mean someone just needs to be consistent in buying Bitcoin even though the purchase nominal is small but better than not, what they have to do is continue to consistently buy Bitcoin at least once a week and lo and behold, in the next few years they will feel a significant advantage from the results of their hard work in setting aside money for Bitcoin.

You are right; that's the reason why some people cease to invest in Bitcoin and land themselves in a hot soup of shitcoins, but still end up regretting their decision when they can't get any profit. Some people usually have the mindset that Bitcoin is too expensive to buy a whole, but I still try to convince anyone I come across with such a mindset, telling them that they don't need to buy a whole of Bitcoin at once, nor do they need to save for many years before they can buy one Bitcoin at once. If one is still consistent in their accumulation, either weekly or even monthly, depending on how often they are getting the cash inflow, then they might still be able to accumulate a huge fraction of Bitcoin before they realise it.
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August 10, 2023, 02:19:39 PM
have issues, and sometimes there may well be needs to change wallets or even vulnerabilities are discovered, and best practices are not even easy to learn and/or to follow, even for people who are active in Bitcoin and relatively smart... and probably, we are going to find either a lot of people dying with their bitcoin or the instructions for heirs to be difficult to figure out.. and on the other hand, some of the leaving instructions for heirs can end up in coins being transferred to people who might not deserve them, but some of us might end up trusting too many heirs or the wrong heirs or even get a bit sloppy in an attempted inheritance process that results in undeserving people with our coins.. and I am not even claiming to know the solution or even to have ways that even smart people can end up getting tricked out of their coins, which could even cause more incentives for some people to choose to just die with their coins.
Vulnerability is one of the biggest issues facing us as Bitcoin custodians and how best to transfer our Bitcoin holdings to the next of kids, we have a lot of security issues in the custody of our Bitcoin, and every time one needs a lot of knowledge to be able to stay above the various challenges that may come along while we safe keep our bitcoins, starch because the security of our wallets are much more important than making gains or profits on the long term since there is no need to accumulate Bitcoin in a wallet that you may lose control or does not have control over.

Aside from the fact that we need a concise meeting point as to when the right time to buy bitcoin or increase our current bitcoin holding, that same point should also be considered for how strengthen is our wallets and how secure is our bitcoin balance.
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August 10, 2023, 01:03:14 PM
Talking about the amount of investment, it really comes back to each individual because he will do it according to his abilities, indeed the monthly amount is quite large and the average standard salary in several countries is indeed not enough for that, but if he has a good position in his job, he will definitely able to do it.
In my view, collecting bitcoins at a total price of $ 20 / day is of course an inappropriate strategy in my opinion, because it will take a lot of transaction fees which are quite hefty if collected, it is better to extend the purchase interval, for example once every 2 weeks or once a month with a total amount the same one.
For example $ 20 X 14 days (two weeks break) = $ 280, and he only makes 2 transactions to make purchases in one month, in my opinion this method is more effective and economical for buying bitcoin.
Someone can do without coercion in their minds to be able to buy at the nominal rate they specify because the direction of urgent needs makes the situation quite complicated for our finances, but we can do it regularly with a different nominal investment rate from week to week.

Previously I thought those who did long term would not be a problem for them if they missed a few buying periods due to financial instability. However, they will resume buying when their finances stabilize.

Well, and to be honest I also often recommend, especially to some of my close friends, to invest in Bitcoin according to their individual abilities. Everyone has their own financial problems and they also have ways to improve their finances. Actually we don't really need a lot of money to then buy Bitcoin if our finances don't support it, everything starts small, I mean someone just needs to be consistent in buying Bitcoin even though the purchase nominal is small but better than not, what they have to do is continue to consistently buy Bitcoin at least once a week and lo and behold, in the next few years they will feel a significant advantage from the results of their hard work in setting aside money for Bitcoin.
So don't be too ambitious to force something that is beyond our ability, even though we know the benefits are very large but we also have to see some of the risks that are in it, and do it with money that has a long term term to use.
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August 10, 2023, 12:55:42 PM
Fuck gold.

It is not a good idea to incorporate gold into your investment portfolio.. especially when we are here talking about bitcoin, and are we again going to getting into those nonsense gold versus bitcoin discussions when we are supposed to be talking about bitcoin - and surely there are other threads about that or if not other threads can be made.

Ok... let me bite a bit on this topic. Sure if you are used to gold, and you have some systems to actually interact with gold that you already know, then sure maybe get a bit of exposure to it.  Otherwise, you should realize that bitcoin is in about the territory of 1,000x better than gold, so even if it takes 100 or 200 years for bitcoin to actually reach its fair/appropriate price in respects to gold, you should be able to pretty much recognize and appreciate the direction that the whole thing is going (when it comes to gold versus bitcoin and the fact that currently bitcoin is priced about 1/20th of the current market price of gold. which surely we can already see that bitcoin has been closing the gap and has closed the gap a lot over the past 10 years or so - and maybe the first few years of bitcoin's history might not count as much when it comes to having some kind of a monetary starting point), so in that regard, gold remains a BIG ass waste of time, energy and value (and in essence a distraction - and likely a way to help you in terms of your having fun staying poor) to be fucking around with gold - when there is bitcoin.

Another supporting point is that if you consider bitcoin to be a kind of hedge against the whole system in the context of history in which gold was serving that purpose, then bitcoin has largely taken that use case for gold and is about 1,000x better than gold in terms of its verifiability, divisibility, transportability, securability (and cost of security) and even scarcity.
Hahaha Jay what a coincidence, I also want to say fuck gold!!

2 days ago my wife told me that before getting married she collected 6 pieces of Antam gold which she repays every month but she forgot to keep them. 2 hours later the gold was found in a shabby wallet. I laugh how much it costs now? while showing my Bitcoin portfolio and saying this is a lesson for you, don't keep gold, rather sell the gold and put the money from the sale into Bitcoin, the results will show. If you lose gold, no one can return it, whereas Bitcoin can be returned if you hold the seed of recovery. The simple lesson of this short story made my wife follow the advice. This morning he went to the market to exchange his gold and handed me the money saying put it in Bitcoin!!!!

There still are various learning curves to bitcoin including a variety of ways that any of us could end up losing our bitcoin in terms of losing our private keys or even believing that we own bitcoin when a third party is holding our keys.. and maybe some of the legal requirements around 3rd parties will change in the future, but right now, a lot of the rules around 3rd party custody include risks that the 3rd parties may well end up getting away with stealing, losing, mismanaging the bitcoin that people believe to have had been theirs.

Also wallets have issues, and sometimes there may well be needs to change wallets or even vulnerabilties are discovered, and best practices are not even easy to learn and/or to follow, even for people who are active in bitcoin and relatively smart... and probably, we are going to find either a lot of people dying with their bitcoin or the instructions for heirs to be difficult to figure out.. and on the other hand, some of the leaving instructions for heirs can end up in coins being transferred to people who might not deserve them, but some of us might end up trusting too many heirs or the wrong heirs or even get a bit sloppy in an attempted inheritance process that results in undeserving people with our coins.. and I am not even claiming to know the solution or even to have ways that even smart people can end up getting tricked out of their coins, which could even cause more incentives for some people to choose to just die with their coins.

The 3rd party custody has always been a risky thing for the holders of Bitcoin and it will remain as the riskiest thing for all those people who are still holding their Bitcoin in 3rd party custodial wallets. I'm more than sure that most of the investors who have invested in Bitcoin are keeping their coins on those custodial exchanges without even knowing the risks. If you check the Bitcoin holdings of the top exchanges then you will know that most of those coins in real belong to the users not the exchanges. If they get the awareness that all of their coins are at risk of getting lost or stolen by those exchanges then they will never keep their coins in those custodial wallets.

I agree that software wallets also have vulnerabilities and which can be penetrated by the hacker to steal the Bitcoin out of those wallets, but still they are safer than the custodian wallets because at least in those wallets you have your own control over the private keys. Yes, most of the people will of course left their Bitcoin for their heirs as we all know that there are people in 80's holding Bitcoin and if they have heirs then they will most probably leave those Bitcoin for those heirs, and if the heirs don't know the proper use of those coins then they will misuse the hard-work of the one who has sacrificed most of his/her desires to keep those Bitcoin safe for their next generation.

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August 10, 2023, 12:17:55 PM
Fuck gold.

It is not a good idea to incorporate gold into your investment portfolio.. especially when we are here talking about bitcoin, and are we again going to getting into those nonsense gold versus bitcoin discussions when we are supposed to be talking about bitcoin - and surely there are other threads about that or if not other threads can be made.

Ok... let me bite a bit on this topic. Sure if you are used to gold, and you have some systems to actually interact with gold that you already know, then sure maybe get a bit of exposure to it.  Otherwise, you should realize that bitcoin is in about the territory of 1,000x better than gold, so even if it takes 100 or 200 years for bitcoin to actually reach its fair/appropriate price in respects to gold, you should be able to pretty much recognize and appreciate the direction that the whole thing is going (when it comes to gold versus bitcoin and the fact that currently bitcoin is priced about 1/20th of the current market price of gold. which surely we can already see that bitcoin has been closing the gap and has closed the gap a lot over the past 10 years or so - and maybe the first few years of bitcoin's history might not count as much when it comes to having some kind of a monetary starting point), so in that regard, gold remains a BIG ass waste of time, energy and value (and in essence a distraction - and likely a way to help you in terms of your having fun staying poor) to be fucking around with gold - when there is bitcoin.

Another supporting point is that if you consider bitcoin to be a kind of hedge against the whole system in the context of history in which gold was serving that purpose, then bitcoin has largely taken that use case for gold and is about 1,000x better than gold in terms of its verifiability, divisibility, transportability, securability (and cost of security) and even scarcity.
Hahaha Jay what a coincidence, I also want to say fuck gold!!

2 days ago my wife told me that before getting married she collected 6 pieces of Antam gold which she repays every month but she forgot to keep them. 2 hours later the gold was found in a shabby wallet. I laugh how much it costs now? while showing my Bitcoin portfolio and saying this is a lesson for you, don't keep gold, rather sell the gold and put the money from the sale into Bitcoin, the results will show. If you lose gold, no one can return it, whereas Bitcoin can be returned if you hold the seed of recovery. The simple lesson of this short story made my wife follow the advice. This morning he went to the market to exchange his gold and handed me the money saying put it in Bitcoin!!!!

There still are various learning curves to bitcoin including a variety of ways that any of us could end up losing our bitcoin in terms of losing our private keys or even believing that we own bitcoin when a third party is holding our keys.. and maybe some of the legal requirements around 3rd parties will change in the future, but right now, a lot of the rules around 3rd party custody include risks that the 3rd parties may well end up getting away with stealing, losing, mismanaging the bitcoin that people believe to have had been theirs.

Also wallets have issues, and sometimes there may well be needs to change wallets or even vulnerabilties are discovered, and best practices are not even easy to learn and/or to follow, even for people who are active in bitcoin and relatively smart... and probably, we are going to find either a lot of people dying with their bitcoin or the instructions for heirs to be difficult to figure out.. and on the other hand, some of the leaving instructions for heirs can end up in coins being transferred to people who might not deserve them, but some of us might end up trusting too many heirs or the wrong heirs or even get a bit sloppy in an attempted inheritance process that results in undeserving people with our coins.. and I am not even claiming to know the solution or even to have ways that even smart people can end up getting tricked out of their coins, which could even cause more incentives for some people to choose to just die with their coins.
This aspect of transferring Bitcoin holding to heirs and the next generation is full of uncertainties. Unfortunately, you never can tell what the heirs will do with the wealth and that scares me somehow because I will definitely leave Bitcoin for my children after teaching them about it from early stages of their lives. 

Another thing is that I am yet to figure out how Bitcoin portfolio can be captured in a WILL because this will mean revealing the secret codes of the wallets. So I feel the best approach will be to share ones portfolio among the heirs when they come of age and you are convinced they can manage the wealth well. I am open to learning other ways this can be done.
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August 10, 2023, 12:08:23 PM
Your observation is valid that Bitcoin can potentially replace Gold as a store of value gradually in the long run.. However, it is important to note that Gold has been considered as an important asset and hedge against fiat currencies since the dawn of human civilization. Furthermore, a significant potion of world population is unfamiliar with Bitcoin, but they know the value of Gold. In this context, it will take long time before Bitcoin can effectively replace Gold. Therefore, it is a good suggestion to incorporate Gold in our investment portfolio to certain extent, thereby achieving diversification benefits.
Everyone has their own way and while it may be good for some to be in the gold, it doesn't mean others will agree.
The context of the initial discussion still leads to bitcoin so I think including other options such as shitcoin or other investments in this case gold has deviated from the path that should be the initial discussion because in the end when discussing other investments this will only make the discussion wider and make comparisons that are actually unnecessary.
I think our focus should be on the initial discussion where bitcoin is the main focus in this discussion.
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August 10, 2023, 11:48:05 AM
Fuck gold.

It is not a good idea to incorporate gold into your investment portfolio.. especially when we are here talking about bitcoin, and are we again going to getting into those nonsense gold versus bitcoin discussions when we are supposed to be talking about bitcoin - and surely there are other threads about that or if not other threads can be made.

Ok... let me bite a bit on this topic. Sure if you are used to gold, and you have some systems to actually interact with gold that you already know, then sure maybe get a bit of exposure to it.  Otherwise, you should realize that bitcoin is in about the territory of 1,000x better than gold, so even if it takes 100 or 200 years for bitcoin to actually reach its fair/appropriate price in respects to gold, you should be able to pretty much recognize and appreciate the direction that the whole thing is going (when it comes to gold versus bitcoin and the fact that currently bitcoin is priced about 1/20th of the current market price of gold. which surely we can already see that bitcoin has been closing the gap and has closed the gap a lot over the past 10 years or so - and maybe the first few years of bitcoin's history might not count as much when it comes to having some kind of a monetary starting point), so in that regard, gold remains a BIG ass waste of time, energy and value (and in essence a distraction - and likely a way to help you in terms of your having fun staying poor) to be fucking around with gold - when there is bitcoin.

Another supporting point is that if you consider bitcoin to be a kind of hedge against the whole system in the context of history in which gold was serving that purpose, then bitcoin has largely taken that use case for gold and is about 1,000x better than gold in terms of its verifiability, divisibility, transportability, securability (and cost of security) and even scarcity.
Hahaha Jay what a coincidence, I also want to say fuck gold!!

2 days ago my wife told me that before getting married she collected 6 pieces of Antam gold which she repays every month but she forgot to keep them. 2 hours later the gold was found in a shabby wallet. I laugh how much it costs now? while showing my Bitcoin portfolio and saying this is a lesson for you, don't keep gold, rather sell the gold and put the money from the sale into Bitcoin, the results will show. If you lose gold, no one can return it, whereas Bitcoin can be returned if you hold the seed of recovery. The simple lesson of this short story made my wife follow the advice. This morning he went to the market to exchange his gold and handed me the money saying put it in Bitcoin!!!!

There still are various learning curves to bitcoin including a variety of ways that any of us could end up losing our bitcoin in terms of losing our private keys or even believing that we own bitcoin when a third party is holding our keys.. and maybe some of the legal requirements around 3rd parties will change in the future, but right now, a lot of the rules around 3rd party custody include risks that the 3rd parties may well end up getting away with stealing, losing, mismanaging the bitcoin that people believe to have had been theirs.

Also wallets have issues, and sometimes there may well be needs to change wallets or even vulnerabilties are discovered, and best practices are not even easy to learn and/or to follow, even for people who are active in bitcoin and relatively smart... and probably, we are going to find either a lot of people dying with their bitcoin or the instructions for heirs to be difficult to figure out.. and on the other hand, some of the leaving instructions for heirs can end up in coins being transferred to people who might not deserve them, but some of us might end up trusting too many heirs or the wrong heirs or even get a bit sloppy in an attempted inheritance process that results in undeserving people with our coins.. and I am not even claiming to know the solution or even to have ways that even smart people can end up getting tricked out of their coins, which could even cause more incentives for some people to choose to just die with their coins.
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August 10, 2023, 11:30:14 AM
Fuck gold.

It is not a good idea to incorporate gold into your investment portfolio.. especially when we are here talking about bitcoin, and are we again going to getting into those nonsense gold versus bitcoin discussions when we are supposed to be talking about bitcoin - and surely there are other threads about that or if not other threads can be made.

Ok... let me bite a bit on this topic. Sure if you are used to gold, and you have some systems to actually interact with gold that you already know, then sure maybe get a bit of exposure to it.  Otherwise, you should realize that bitcoin is in about the territory of 1,000x better than gold, so even if it takes 100 or 200 years for bitcoin to actually reach its fair/appropriate price in respects to gold, you should be able to pretty much recognize and appreciate the direction that the whole thing is going (when it comes to gold versus bitcoin and the fact that currently bitcoin is priced about 1/20th of the current market price of gold. which surely we can already see that bitcoin has been closing the gap and has closed the gap a lot over the past 10 years or so - and maybe the first few years of bitcoin's history might not count as much when it comes to having some kind of a monetary starting point), so in that regard, gold remains a BIG ass waste of time, energy and value (and in essence a distraction - and likely a way to help you in terms of your having fun staying poor) to be fucking around with gold - when there is bitcoin.

Another supporting point is that if you consider bitcoin to be a kind of hedge against the whole system in the context of history in which gold was serving that purpose, then bitcoin has largely taken that use case for gold and is about 1,000x better than gold in terms of its verifiability, divisibility, transportability, securability (and cost of security) and even scarcity.
Hahaha Jay what a coincidence, I also want to say fuck gold!!

2 days ago my wife told me that before getting married she collected 6 pieces of Antam gold which she repays every month but she forgot to keep them. 2 hours later the gold was found in a shabby wallet. I laugh how much it costs now? while showing my Bitcoin portfolio and saying this is a lesson for you, don't keep gold, rather sell the gold and put the money from the sale into Bitcoin, the results will show. If you lose gold, no one can return it, whereas Bitcoin can be returned if you hold the seed of recovery. The simple lesson of this short story made my wife follow the advice. This morning he went to the market to exchange his gold and handed me the money saying put it in Bitcoin!!!!
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