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Topic: Can a default trust member (Lauda) arbitrary destroy other people's reputation?? - page 3. (Read 5939 times)

sr. member
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The dev announced very clear,90% premined,

for the 90% mined coins:
- 70% WILL BE DISTRIBUTED DURING 40 WEEKS OF AIRDROP
- 20% FOR BOUNTIES : same anaysis as previously
-10% FOR THE DEVS:
 if you do not agree with this ,u can not join the coin's campaign,but u cannot to say it is not trustable!

this is just a airdrop coin,many devs of ICO coins left 20%~50% coins for devs,there no one say somthing!!
legendary
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Taking into account the used language I consider this as a personal attack which is not senior or trust member worthy.
Stop with this bullshit. Is someone paying you to lie and claim this is a "personal attack"?

That's what most people in the deeponion thread and above are angry about  and the main reason  for all the buzz about this trust issue.
No. The people from the deeponion thread are greedy idiots, which is why they're spewing nonsense in a section that they've got nothing to do with. To make matters worse, some of them are even actively supporting the trust farming that has been going on.

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╥Aztek
Kiklo and his gang, cutre. Roll Eyes
legendary
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Absolutely. I come to a situation with an objective look at things.

One problem with that objective statement , actmyname & vod are the same person.
You always support vod & lauda in every post you make, your post history proves it.


╥Aztek
I generally do as well--but I'm not Vod, Lauda, or actmyname.  They're just solid scam/spam busters whose opinions coincide with my own a lot of the time.   I don't know if Lauda is right on this one, since I have to plead ignorance on the technical aspects of crypto.  So I don't quite understand if the premine was proven or even if it's relevant.   Don't crucify me for that.  But I believe most of these new coins are scams and I don't see why most of them exist other than to fleece new investors.

Lauda is entitled to an opinion, and his/her intentions are good so far as I can see--that ill-advised sting operation aside.  The way I see it, the more retaliatory negs and threads you generate, the better you're doing fighting scammers & spammers.  There doesn't seem to be any conflict of interest here.  It's just Lauda's honest opinion
copper member
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Spear the bees
Absolutely. I come to a situation with an objective look at things.

One problem with that objective statement , actmyname & vod are the same person.
You always support vod & lauda in every post you make, your post history proves it.


╥Aztek

Right, and Lauda = Vod = Zepher = theymos, right?

I'm not sure I've ever supported Vod publicly in any post. In fact, even though he and Spoetnik have some big history with each other I tolerate both of their opinions and have no comment regarding either one of them.
If you want me to highlight some problems I have with DT members then I would be glad to do so. The problem with your analysis of my post history is that most of the time my opinions coincide with Lauda (and to a lesser extent, Vod). There's also been many a time that Lauda has supported me in my escapades. Is that really a linkage between the two of us?
If you support a politician constantly, are you that politician? Fuck no.

I glazed over your post history.

Are you kiklo?
legendary
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Maybe Laura is somewhere right, but check my registration date and history. Ì have seen so much clear scams and devs really doing bad things. It took forever for them to receive one negative trust. Now in three days someone who hasn't begged for a penny received 3 negative trusts from one and the same person.

One might happen and we can argue if it was correct or mot
Two is suspicious behaviour
Three us total BS

Taking into account the used language I consider this as a personal attack which is not senior or trust member worthy.

That's what most people in the deeponion thread and above are angry about  and the main reason  for all the buzz about this trust issue.
sr. member
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I wanted to wait and see how things shook out with regards to DeepOnion which is why I havn't posted anything for or against it yet and view this topic as seperate to the coin itself. I also have had no relationship with or even past knowledge of the dealings of the people inviolved other than the small amount I have read recently in these posts so with that out of the way...

IMO what I see here basically invalidates the trust rating in my eyes, even if there was something a bit more solid to support Laudas feedback 3 negative feedbacks in 5 days is just an attack, I dont know how the default trust network is determined but if this were my forum and I had control over it Lauda would be imediately removed from said network.

My 2c.
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Notice how all the members that are supporting crypto-rainbow have been doing so before this thread was created. I would like to see some opinions from other members, not those that have preconceived notions of how the situation should go down.

Are you calling my input biased?
Whooptidoo
Absolutely. I come to a situation with an objective look at things. This is trust abuse and I of my own volition have deemed it thus.

Before you say anything about an affiliation to Lauda, let me get that past us: yes, we all know about the extortion. No, I do not agree with the actions taken place and a removal from the Staff position was justified. Yes, a lot of threads were opened up about Lauda. No, a majority of those were from butthurt scammers that got tagged and now are thrashing out against the source.

Frankly, I'm much stricter than Lauda in terms of how I view things. Note all the account sale related tags Wink
sr. member
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Notice how all the members that are supporting crypto-rainbow have been doing so before this thread was created. I would like to see some opinions from other members, not those that have preconceived notions of how the situation should go down.

Are you calling my input biased?
Whooptidoo

Unfortunately you're completely biased because you're blinded at the moment. You don't realize that you're being used.

The views I express here are my own.
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Notice how all the members that are supporting crypto-rainbow have been doing so before this thread was created. I would like to see some opinions from other members, not those that have preconceived notions of how the situation should go down.

Are you calling my input biased?
Whooptidoo
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Spear the bees
Doesn't he has the right to do so?? what is wrong? he may be surprised by one man's action can change his own rating.
What's wrong is that this is trust farming. There were many precedents before this event that reached the outcome of a negative trust due to it.

Asking for positive trust from neutral in order to gain reputation is equivalent to asking for positive trust from negative in order to counteract the negative trust rating.

Can't people express their opinion? Are these the "proof" they do trust farming?? give me a break.
We are expressing our opinions. That what you're all doing is bullshit.

Do you know how democracy works?
Democracy is good except when it isn't.
Notice how all the members that are supporting crypto-rainbow have been doing so before this thread was created. I would like to see some opinions from other members, not those that have preconceived notions of how the situation should go down.
sr. member
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The delirium that this dog carries is terrific.
Create a separate thread and I'll go there in the enjoyment  Grin
As for Lauda, yes, this is a clinical case.
An exalted person with an exorbitant ego who is based on impunity.
Do not touch Satoshi  Cool
You have nothing but ad hominem attacks to offer?

It is a moderated thread, dev has the rights to control his thread. You can create new threads and post your opinions. In fact I saw at least 5-6 threads attacking the coin. There's nothing to complain. Play with the rules and we have a democratic society here.

This is not about the thread's moderation per se, this is about the fact that crypto-rainbow is trying to hide what he's doing. Those who point out the issues are called 'Gangsters'. This is an attack. There hasn't been any rational answer to the accusations posted. Negative trust is 100% justified. Particularly because of the trust farming scenario. Stop it now or you can only make it worse. You don't understand the way the trust system works if you think that you can ask the community to balance negative DT trust for no reason other than to get that trust rating removed. This is not allowed. That trust rating has been put there for a solid reason, and not arbitrarily. Call this arbitrarily, and you too risk negative trust rating.
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Any user can post anything, it is not a solicitation from anyone, anyone can express his opinion. As long as it is not from dev, you can't blame him. In fact, most of the community felt that he was treated unfairly, thus volunteer to post positive trust for him, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Don't try to get a post from millions and say that it is proof. This is the way communist does the thing, and it is rejected by most of the world.  

Then what the FUCK is this?

https://archive.fo/jaRN0#selection-2195.0-2195.57

Can any Default Trust member positive trade can fix this?
The altcoin owner is literally asking for a DT member to give them positive trust in order to counter the negative from Lauda.

That is trust farming if I've ever seen it. Asking for positive trust usually doesn't end well.



it's basically one man's attack. Unfortunately he's from the def trust group, that's why you see his negatives and see many of us positive trust on the dev. The trust system is fraud.

Cognitive dissonance and projection. Funny.

Doesn't he has the right to do so?? what is wrong? he may be surprised by one man's action can change his own rating.

Can't people express their opinion? Are these the "proof" they do trust farming?? give me a break. Do you know how democracy works?
sr. member
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The delirium that this dog carries is terrific.
Create a separate thread and I'll go there in the enjoyment  Grin
As for Lauda, yes, this is a clinical case.
An exalted person with an exorbitant ego who is based on impunity.
Do not touch Satoshi  Cool
full member
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Any user can post anything, it is not a solicitation from anyone, anyone can express his opinion.

Why is 'the dev' deleting all kinds of basic and important questions from his thread? What is it he's hiding?

You can literally not ask about the premine or the staking of the premine because if you do your mouth is shut by censorship immediately. Awkward.

It is a moderated thread, dev has the rights to control his thread. You can create new threads and post your opinions. In fact I saw at least 5-6 threads attacking the coin. There's nothing to complain. Play with the rules and we have a democratic society here.
copper member
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Spear the bees
Any user can post anything, it is not a solicitation from anyone, anyone can express his opinion. As long as it is not from dev, you can't blame him. In fact, most of the community felt that he was treated unfairly, thus volunteer to post positive trust for him, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Don't try to get a post from millions and say that it is proof. This is the way communist does the thing, and it is rejected by most of the world.  

Then what the FUCK is this?

https://archive.fo/jaRN0#selection-2195.0-2195.57

Can any Default Trust member positive trade can fix this?
The altcoin owner is literally asking for a DT member to give them positive trust in order to counter the negative from Lauda.

That is trust farming if I've ever seen it. Asking for positive trust usually doesn't end well.



it's basically one man's attack. Unfortunately he's from the def trust group, that's why you see his negatives and see many of us positive trust on the dev. The trust system is fraud.

Cognitive dissonance and projection. Funny.
sr. member
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Any user can post anything, it is not a solicitation from anyone, anyone can express his opinion.

Why is 'the dev' deleting all kinds of basic and important questions from his thread? What is it he's hiding?

You can literally not ask about the premine or the staking of the premine because if you do your mouth is shut by censorship immediately. Awkward, and naturally negative trust follows soon after.
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I am not getting involved in the ongoing mess here, however I have neg rated crypto-rainbow for blatant misuse of the trust system; farming trust. Lets not get into the trust abuse (which I fully expect to be hit with judging by previous ratings left..).

Trust farming is against forum rules, and it is clearly evident this has happened when you see 20-30 ratings left for this user within the space of a few days, with some of them using the exact same note, word for word.

Proof of the trust farming? He got many positive trusts is because when the community learned that Lauda posted negative trust on him, they felt it is unjustified and posted support to him. It's a big community, just look at the thread. It can not be done with a few fake accounts. Ask the mod to check. Please don't make false accusations, give the proof and let everyone judge.


Please see the reference in my rating.

I am not saying that the user has gained trust through fake accounts. I am saying that there is evidence of farming trust via legitimate users on his trust page. The reference also shows both the user and another account advocating people to leave trust for him; which is, once again, farming trust.

That single user wished to "cancel" out the rating left by DogeMajestic, which is perfectly fine. However asking for everyone else to do the same is not.


If you're asking for trust to be posted to your account then that is trust farming. You are seeking trust for an inconsequential action or for no reason at all. If they didn't deserve the negative before, they sure do now.

Precisely.

Any user can post anything, it is not a solicitation from anyone, anyone can express his opinion. As long as it is not from dev, you can't blame him. In fact, most of the community felt that he was treated unfairly, thus volunteer to post positive trust for him, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Don't try to get a post from millions and say that it is proof. This is the way communist does the thing, and it is rejected by most of the world.  


[snip]

Now about that adult side, what would you think about using real arguments (not shit flinging, dropping links "READ THIS", not acting like a /b/ or /biz/ tard) and tell us in your own baby talk words why we are the victims of a scam?

Please elaborate me.

The problem here is that they can not put the real "reasons" on the table. As fisheater said, you can't reason with a gangster. So that's it, let's move on.
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I can't leave this be. Sorry.


This has gone from asking questions about the staking issue about 4 days ago to accusations of child abuse today. And everything imaginable in between.

This is one shit-circus where opinions are being dropped as facts. This was so 4 days ago and still is now. To both sides.

Be an adult. Keep your own honor. Leave a, quote: "shit coin", be. Leave all the lost souls dwelling in that ANN be. Were you trying to save the world by giving rainbow a neg rep? There is a really thin line between altruism and egoism. Believe; I know. And this action doesn't look like caring for the other, aka altruism. It looks like destruction, or thanatos, to continue my poor knowledge of Latin.

But yeah, this is my view/ opinion.
Lauda has his own views and actions. He has his own history to print out and put above his bed.

Lauda, I have been around in this world of 0 and 1, called the net or a series of tubes. For a long fucking time as it is.

Using (old) 4chan memes multiple times on different posts in your argumentation isn't helping you winning my soul over (i know; you dont give a fuck ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ).

But it goes to show.
It goes to show that pissing in an ocean of piss leads to nowhere. I know my memes (God I hate that word).

Now about that adult side, what would you think about using real arguments (not shit flinging, dropping links "READ THIS", not acting like a /b/ or /biz/ tard) and tell us in your own baby talk words why we are the victims of a scam?

Please elaborate me.



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Wow.

Instead of apologizing and accepting that there has been wrongdoing, crypto-rainbow and his supporters go on and attack those who are contributing to the very foundations of law and order here on Bitcointalk. They don't know what they're doing. Attacking Lauda means biting your own tail.

Posts like these are causing ever vicious counter-attacks:

Take the times of feedbacks all arrive same times. It's well organized attacks from the same boss.

Seriously, why do you post crap like this? There has never been any attack against you in the first place. Accept the forum rules like everyone else. You're not special, crypto-rainbow. We all have to behave.

If there are scam accusations against you - crypto-rainbow - it is your duty as the coin's spokesperson to address these accusations adequately and openly. Censoring from your thread or attacking others is not a solution, but your end. I hope you know that.


let's make some true rebuttal posts in the arguing with this person.
Good luck


Well said!

Thank you.
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Wow.

Instead of apologizing and accepting that there has been wrongdoing, crypto-rainbow and his supporters go on and attack those who are contributing to the very foundations of law and order here on Bitcointalk. They don't know what they're doing. Attacking Lauda means biting your own tail.

Posts like these are causing ever vicious counter-attacks:

Take the times of feedbacks all arrive same times. It's well organized attacks from the same boss.

Seriously, why do you post crap like this? There has never been any attack against you in the first place. Accept the forum rules like everyone else. You're not special, crypto-rainbow. We all have to behave.

If there are scam accusations against you it is your duty as the coin's spokesperson to address these accusations adequately and openly. Censoring from your thread or attacking others is not a solution, but your end. I hope you know that.


let's make some true rebuttal posts in the arguing with this person.
Good luck


Well said!
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