Topic: Can anti gamblers accept cash from gamblers when they're in dire financial needs - page 3. (Read 439 times)

Do not be hypocritical when an emergency requires from a gambler who is said to be financial to save their lives then take that option you do not need to think about the source from where it is clear that your focus is on saving these lives and after all normal conditions you just pay back if you borrow him the gambler gives just say thank you.

For me that's enough.

But there are always people who think gambling is bad even if they don't want to accept it if the person is religious, I can't say much about this but clearly in an emergency whatever it is more important even other religions teach what should be needed with someone's help indiscriminately.

Yes of course, some people could be hypocrites in any way. Also has something to do with them being "anti". Some people are just not into gambling activities or that they don't support it and that's just fine. Whie others are totally against not only in the activity but also with gamblers themselves. Some of these anti-gambling wouldn't accept the money even if they are in dire situation but it will all boil down to individual differences and personal beliefs.
I agree, some people could swallow their pride if they will be weighing the situation they are in. We cannot be not logical at all times. If setting aside your ego will lead to the betterment of the situation, and you still did not, then it's on you to aid things on your own.

this reminds m of what happened between my friend and his dad while we were still in high school. So from our religious standpoint, examination malpractice is a condemnable act that's seriously frawned at and seen as something that shows lack of faith and God and a general compromise of the highest order. My friend's dad was into examination malpractice and used the money gotten from it to train and take care of the family and even though they all knew that, they enjoyed all the money but were not in the same school of thought that what the dad was doing was right. A day came when his dad asked him to come help him write an exam for somebody and my friend refused citing that it's wrong for him to write exams for someone since it's a sin there religious context. The dad asked  why he never rejected all the money he has been bringing at home all this while and the guy was just mute at that time.

The truth is that we're quick to condemn things and then when we're in a tight corner we tend to bring out excuses to justify our actions. If you're against something, be totally against it at time. If you can compromise when things gets tough, then there is no point of kicking against it in the first place. Gambling generally isn't bad and there exist lots of gambling activities we've actively gotten involved in without even knowing it. I know when someone's life is at stake, anything that's more like a solution is rushed after but that's never to say that you should now go into an act you've longed kicked against.

Hmm. This is quite a dilemma knowing that if you need money, it doesn't matter where it comes from as long as it solves the problem in a way that money could. Maybe it has something to do with hospital stuff. The moral dilemma wouldn't matter as much IMO since it's a dire need. But I think if it's an evil way like stealing, it might be a different case. Winnings from a gambling habit might not be that hard or something.

even though I actually hid my gambling activities. but I really had such an experience.
That's what my neighbor said when he was anti-gambling when he was gathering and talking about someone who was having problems related to gambling addiction.
of course, my neighbors don't know that I am a gambler. but he borrowed money from me several times for urgent needs.
I don't know how would feel if my neighbors knew that I was also a gambler. but I won't tell him anything, just for convenience so that no one is disturbed.

I just think we can have different beliefs and thoughts. but at least we don't condemn other people's ugliness so badly.

sometimes we can help even our worst enemy, life is full of surprises. I think that if a person finds himself in a critical situation, in 99% of cases he will not care where these funds come from if they can affect his future life right now. In such situations, the question of faith and principles is definitely fades into the background.

IMO, this quote "for every rule, there is an exception" can be applied for some situations that we may deal with.

There is no law about gamblers donating money to the people that are in need of immediate help. I think in religious laws, they won't accept it but again, there's always the contemplation about the situation.

So, if there's no law about such, you're free to accept it and just be grateful that you're chosen and decided to receive that in-kind.

It's not hard to decide if the reason is this
 
If there's no other way but to accept cash but only this option, then he should forever carry the burden of guilt, but if there's another way he should not accept it because he will also feel guilty knowing that it's against his principles when the life of your love one's is at stake pride and principle should not interfere.

Obviously they will accept it.

People will not think anymore when they get offered something that really need it, let's say you haven't eat for 2 weeks and you're very hungry, someone offer you his leftover food, will you reject it? I really doubt it.

It's human nature, especially money is the most important thing now.

In my opinion, money from gambling is haram. However, if gambling money is used to help people or do good, that's okay because the sinner is still the gambler, not the person in need, as long as it is really used to help that person and provide it according to their needs.
Logically, the person comes to the gambler to borrow money because God knows he will help him and show it to the gambler and the problem will be resolved. And I'm sure the guy has tried here and there before but to no avail, and his last resort was to become a gambler and she helped him. So whatever happens is with the permission of the Almighty and shown to the right people.
And nowadays no one cares where the money comes from and if it was really important, they would still use it to solve their problems.

Yes I understand that there are always some people who condemn gambling or who have a very bad stigma towards gambling so that they see a gambler as irresponsible or who has a very bad personality, but on the other hand I think it depends on the situation, if for example the situation is really very urgent which could cost someone's life if we don't immediately make a decision to take advantage of help from others then I think there is definitely nothing wrong with taking help money from others even though basically the money is the result of winning in gambling.
 
I think it's okay to take it because after all even though you have a very bad stigma against people who are involved in gambling but if it is only their help that can save someone's life then why not take quick action to utilize the help? What we have to see in this context is that even though they are a gambler but they have very good and sincere intentions to help you save someone's life.

Even though you tell the anti gambler that the money you want to give them to solve their problems is from gambling,they will collect the money, because they need the money urgently and they will not care if they have condemned gambling in your presence.

I will not blame the people that is condemning gambling, because they have seen some gamblers that Sold their property just to gamble, and there are some that killed someone just to collect the money to gamble which is the reason the anti gambler use to condemned gambling.

Those that gamble in a responsible way, it will be difficult for anti gambler to see them because they don't use to show themselves in public and even though they won from gambling center you will not know but those that addicted to gambling, once they loss in gambling the news will go viral for anti gambler to believe that gambling is bad.

Mmm  well some people's believe can sink deep into them that even in their last state of survival twgey would refuse such help cause they think it's sin and  and an abuse to their believe.i know definitely what I'm saying I had this neighbors that are so confidant in their religious beliefs that anything gambling or alcohol is  a sin to them and you that's involved in it you will be avoided.
So the husband was hospitalized even to a point of debt and she don't have penny on her for them to carry on treatment in her but her brother in-law was offering her money for support she bluntly refused it even afteruch persuasion from people around.all because she knows he gambles and all that.

Tricky situation and it will be always depending on the one who is considered as "anti gamblers".
Probably someone may not accept cash from gamblers although he/she needs the money hardly, and he/she will try to find other people.
At the other situation, someone who declare himself as anti gamblers may accept the money if there is no other option for him.
This is why I say it is as a tricky situation becasu we never know what people will do in various situation because it will always back to the person.

You do have a point. For me as a gambler or an individual who does gambling, gambling entirely is not a bad thing; it is created, or the gambling games are created solely for entertainment, and it is only called gambling because later on it is associated with money or staking and the concept of winner and loser. The sin we called those people who commit it—I mean, if a person or individual does unimaginable things, affecting themselves and other people around them negatively. So for me, gambling is not a sin; the sin or bad thing is what gamblers do just because they can't control themselves anymore, and that results in negative events. Really, people want to blame something that is not alive, like gambling, gambling games, or whatever. What they should blame are those people who cannot control themselves and are doing things that should not be done.

Even though in Islam they forbid to eat pork, but if you're in crisis, trouble or anything that make you can't find halal food to eat, you're allowed to eat pork or any other forbidden food. So if they're in dire financial needs, I'd say they will accept it if there's no way for them to collect money at that time.

So, it's not about sin or bad anymore, when in trouble and have no choice, you're forced to pick it.

Besides Islam, no religion has openly criticized gambling. You will never find in any religious holy book, where it is written that gambling is a sin beside the holy Quran. The truth is that everybody wants to take short cut to riches. If I am sure that a particular game will make me rich, I will gladly play it. If I know that singing a particular song will make me rich, I will gladly sing it. Nobody wants to labor for a long time before becoming rich. For me I desire to retire early, so I will be willing to do anything legal to become financially stable. Many people gamble for entertainment but If they win big, that's their luck


In such conditions, when someone's life is at stake, people don't usually consider where the money is coming from because what they want is just the money. They will gladly take the money from the gambler, tell him thank you, and even bless him with prayers. I watched a film sometime called John Q. The father had to kidnap doctors because he wanted to force them to perform surgery on his son. He achieved what he wanted and also went to jail. But he was a hero for saving his son's life.


They can only condemn gambling if it is against the law of the land, religious belief, or if the person is a gambling addict.

This is case to case basis. Not all gamblers have pure heart when it comes to someone asks them for help. While it's hard to put ourselves into someone's shoe, it's true that they shouldn't judge any gambler upon hearing and knowing that a person is a gambler, they already are in the impression that he or she is a bad person. Not at all, it may come as a hobby or as a source of living *this is another topic and long discussion* or just a pastime and earns partly from it.

I am sure that someone who is in dire need that gets a help from a gambler will not deny that help. Religious or not, that help won't come naturally if you decline that and you are not in the position to take your pride and shoo away that person that's trying to help you to get in a better situation. If that comes from a clean win, it doesn't matter but if it comes from an illegal way then I guess that it will be another story and decision to make. But if someone in desperation needed help, I am sure that there is no way that he'll push away that person who's willing to give money whether he's a gambler or not.

You said that it happens sometimes because of religious beliefs, and I don't know many people who would act that way in decisive, life-or-death situations (I have known a few muslims in my life but they didn't scrupulously abide with many of the rules contained in the Quran).

One can have strong convictions against known industries, practices, etc. and if it's additionally illegal (by law or by faith) chances are that some people will say "no", but that's not my case accepting cash from gamblers, and I don't think it is the case either for anyone in my social circle.

I won't conclude on this, there are many possibilities outside of your view, OP. People who condemn or throw shade are the wasters of energy because I see no need to leave what important and development needed in your life to look at some else.
Everyone is different with different decisions amd qualities, if you are against something and you consume what comes from such you are in support; Someone who eats a stolen product is a thief wether you are in support or not.
So if you are against something, hopefully you stand on it.
In terms of urgency as I said earlier we cannot conclude....