Can bitcoin be blocked too by the government or isp ??

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 29, 2016, 10:52:22 AM

I don't feel Bitcoin will be banned. So far there no news or indication it could be. Blocking it would be far more problematic. Hence I don't think government will be in Any rush to banned them. So take a chill pill

yes that is right to say that currently there is no announcement from the government side that either bitcoin is banned or not, so we are using it without any worry and hope that in future government will consider bitcoin as legal currency, and it will not be banned for ever.

Yup, it's true now no announcement about banning bitcoin as payment and I think it will never happen. Bitcoin cause would be one alternative tools deals for every single thing that exists in the world and will certainly become a digital currency used by most people in the world. But this could be an obstacle for users because there is a possibility of bitcoin, that the Government will find a way out in a transaction which does not benefit any rule

It can be blocked by the government but you are all right with what you have said. There is no way that government will implement ban to bitcoin because they even don't know what bitcoin is. But when the time comes that they can see that bitcoin is threatening their banking system then that will make implementation for banning.

What are you talking about? Of course the government's know what Bitcoin is! You can't be that ignorant.

Governments are totally aware of Bitcoin and probably have workers looking into it. It's a complicated system, but one that could put their current banking system to ruins. They are faced with a decision. To adapt, or to remove. Naturally, some nations will chose the latter. We have to persuade them otherwise.

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You could use a client like Shadowsocks to encrypt your connection to other nodes, so your information will be indistinguishable from normal data.

From this, an ISP could still shut you down, but they risk you getting shut down for not doing anything. That's what China does, and you can watch youtube, or use google or facebook freely with shadowsocks.

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Quote from: carlerha on October 30, 2016, 02:43:58 AM

Quote from: Juggy777 on October 29, 2016, 10:52:22 AM

I don't feel Bitcoin will be banned. So far there no news or indication it could be. Blocking it would be far more problematic. Hence I don't think government will be in Any rush to banned them. So take a chill pill

yes that is right to say that currently there is no announcement from the government side that either bitcoin is banned or not, so we are using it without any worry and hope that in future government will consider bitcoin as legal currency, and it will not be banned for ever.

Yup, it's true now no announcement about banning bitcoin as payment and I think it will never happen. Bitcoin cause would be one alternative tools deals for every single thing that exists in the world and will certainly become a digital currency used by most people in the world. But this could be an obstacle for users because there is a possibility of bitcoin, that the Government will find a way out in a transaction which does not benefit any rule

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 29, 2016, 10:52:22 AM

I don't feel Bitcoin will be banned. So far there no news or indication it could be. Blocking it would be far more problematic. Hence I don't think government will be in Any rush to banned them. So take a chill pill

yes that is right to say that currently there is no announcement from the government side that either bitcoin is banned or not, so we are using it without any worry and hope that in future government will consider bitcoin as legal currency, and it will not be banned for ever.

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Governments can block you from using bitcoin just like they block you from:
Gambling - They can and have multiple times. Remember Fulltiltpoker.com, Absolutepoker.com, Ultimatebet.com and UB.com?
Porn - no one cares or tries.
Music piracy - They can and have multiple times. Remember Limewire, Demonoid, Kickass Torrents, Torrent-Finder, OnSmash.com, DaJaz1.com?
Joining a terror group - I can join the gay nazi's for hitler, that doesn't mean shit. Let's talk about drone strikes instead.
Creating a fake facebook account - Why would the government give a shit about that dude? They probably have more fake facebook accounts than anyone does.
etc...
In other words, they ~~can't~~ can and have. Wink

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If Bitcoin came under attack from the government kiss that mainstream to the moon bullshit goodby. There is no way a payment system can be even slightly useful if under government attack. Hiding in a dark room, running TOR, and biting your nails is not the way most people want to shop on Amazon. LOL

My point is you still can do any of the banned activities. And trying to shut down a distributed network vs. a website is much, much harder. Lastly there are no legal grounds for an attack nor any suggestion of a will to do so; nor any method by which to accomplish it. We won brother.

I agree, governments, other than the most oppressive, don't care about Bitcoin. My point was that "mainstream" does not go with "government attack".

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Quote from: apoorvlathey on October 18, 2016, 08:48:03 PM

Recently many file sharing sites and torrents had been banned in my country to stop piracy.

Use a VPN.Everyone needs freedom to do whatever they want on the internet.Torrents will never die.FTP's will never stop.You just need to look at the right places.For instance,check out russian torrent sites.

Quote from: apoorvlathey on October 18, 2016, 08:48:03 PM

Is there a way that the government or the isp may block the connection to bitcoin network by its users ??

Not unless they start taking actions against miners.How many IP's do you think they can individually start banning? They won't waste their time on this.

Let them even waste their time banning the IPs, people will still find a possible way of mining and using bitcoin, one of which is using proxy/tor/Vpn, I do not see any point trying to ban it by any Government or organization, rather let the just accept it wholeheartedly. I believe that will the only possible and fruitful way for a government.

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Imagine, goverment isn't able to block torrent websites and how can they to block bitcoin? No, nowdays there is no way to block bitcoins. We can to install bitcoin wallets in our computer and than make transactions and I think ISP can't track us in this way, if they can than we can to use VPN and hide ourself. If ISP is going to block something, than there is always VPN that gives you permission to unlock that.
So don't worry about that, keep calm and use bitcoin.

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I think the rumblings of a concerted government attack would be enough to seriously upend bitcoin value wise at least.

sure, there's a die hard hard core, everyone else who gives it value is an overextended scaredy cat with no real emotional attachment.

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Quote from: RodeoX on October 29, 2016, 12:39:51 PM

My point is you still can do any of the banned activities. And trying to shut down a distributed network vs. a website is much, much harder. Lastly there are no legal grounds for an attack nor any suggestion of a will to do so; nor any method by which to accomplish it. We won brother.

we have not won.
its stupid to think we won and do nothing more... its an endless marathon.
we should always be doing more.
getting 91 countries to get their ISP's to take peoples landline internet offline is achievable.

we should not be relying on "but they shouldnt".. but instead expand bitcoin to "but they couldnt".
we should never rely on the good nature of government not to do something but be prepared for their bad nature.

afterall billions of emails got copied to three later agencies before it even became a thing that users should encrypt their email.
even now people still dont encrypt their email. they just presume governments are not the bad guys and let governments do it.

apathy seems soo rampant in this topic. im guessing the many that are suggesting to trust governments as good guys are probably people that are not even running a full node.

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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on October 29, 2016, 01:03:04 AM

Quote from: RodeoX on October 28, 2016, 12:30:30 PM

Governments can block you from using bitcoin just like they block you from:
Gambling - They can and have multiple times. Remember Fulltiltpoker.com, Absolutepoker.com, Ultimatebet.com and UB.com?
Porn - no one cares or tries.
Music piracy - They can and have multiple times. Remember Limewire, Demonoid, Kickass Torrents, Torrent-Finder, OnSmash.com, DaJaz1.com?
Joining a terror group - I can join the gay nazi's for hitler, that doesn't mean shit. Let's talk about drone strikes instead.
Creating a fake facebook account - Why would the government give a shit about that dude? They probably have more fake facebook accounts than anyone does.
etc...
In other words, they ~~can't~~ can and have. Wink

Sites I've visited recently:

...
...

If Bitcoin came under attack from the government kiss that mainstream to the moon bullshit goodby. There is no way a payment system can be even slightly useful if under government attack. Hiding in a dark room, running TOR, and biting your nails is not the way most people want to shop on Amazon. LOL

My point is you still can do any of the banned activities. And trying to shut down a distributed network vs. a website is much, much harder. Lastly there are no legal grounds for an attack nor any suggestion of a will to do so; nor any method by which to accomplish it. We won brother.

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Quote from: abel1337 on October 29, 2016, 12:27:44 PM

I think Iceland , Bolivia , Ecuador , Kyrgyzstan
and Vietnam is the countries that bitcoin is banned . Why are they banning bitcoin it can help their country by giving bitcoin users their a great tax to help their country grow not by just banning it. If they are worrying about the falling growth of their banks they I think they can merge it to make both profitable.

they are not banned.
they are just prohibiting BANKS from offering bitcoin services. to protect their economy by ensuring banks only handle fiat.
this has nothing to do with citizens.

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Quote from: markisanon2434 on October 29, 2016, 11:37:14 AM

I am not sure whether governments can ban bitcoin. They can impose fine and penalties on people who use it. They can also tax bitcoin with a higher rate to discourage its use. For now bitcoin is not facing any serious threats and I think we need to spread the message and get more people aware of bitcoin and it's advantages. This will help in the adoption and growth of bitcoin.

Certain countries already have a fine or other kind of penalty for people that are using Bitcoin even though the country in question has put up some sort of a ban in action.

Making people pay a higher tax is something that doesn't work as people right now can use Bitcoin to trade with, hodl it for a long time, etc, and all that without declaring their coins and profits. They will just continue to do that.

The only effective option they have, which has also been mentioned by some people in this thread, is to make ISPs ban the IPs from nodes all over the world.

I think Iceland , Bolivia , Ecuador , Kyrgyzstan
and Vietnam is the countries that bitcoin is banned . Why are they banning bitcoin it can help their country by giving bitcoin users their a great tax to help their country grow not by just banning it. If they are worrying about the falling growth of their banks they I think they can merge it to make both profitable.

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Quote from: markisanon2434 on October 29, 2016, 11:37:14 AM

I am not sure whether governments can ban bitcoin. They can impose fine and penalties on people who use it. They can also tax bitcoin with a higher rate to discourage its use. For now bitcoin is not facing any serious threats and I think we need to spread the message and get more people aware of bitcoin and it's advantages. This will help in the adoption and growth of bitcoin.

Certain countries already have a fine or other kind of penalty for people that are using Bitcoin even though the country in question has put up some sort of a ban in action.

Making people pay a higher tax is something that doesn't work as people right now can use Bitcoin to trade with, hodl it for a long time, etc, and all that without declaring their coins and profits. They will just continue to do that.

The only effective option they have, which has also been mentioned by some people in this thread, is to make ISPs ban the IPs from nodes all over the world.

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I am not sure whether governments can ban bitcoin. They can impose fine and penalties on people who use it. They can also tax bitcoin with a higher rate to discourage its use. For now bitcoin is not facing any serious threats and I think we need to spread the message and get more people aware of bitcoin and it's advantages. This will help in the adoption and growth of bitcoin.

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guys you need to stop with the "if governments do or dont do" rhetoric

we need to strengthen bitcoin to not care.

another point is by not scaling bitcoin we have already prohibited atleast half a dozen countries from using bitcoin ourselves.
a 0.06cent tx fee is an hours labour / 4 loaves of bread for just the fee.. in many countries

no on is going to pay that. would you want to buy 4 loaves of bread knowing its going to cost you another 4 loaves just to buy it. basically meaning you cannot get 8 loaves even if before making a transaction you had funds equivalent to 8 loaves.

the higher the fee gets the less countries see bitcoin as an advantage. paying under the average slows down when your transaction may or may not get confirmed. thus its not just a cost thing, but a slow system for those third world countries too.

we need to concentrate on strengthening bitcoin to not worry about governments. and also get more people desiring bitcoin by not putting up barriers of entry. but just barriers to destruction

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In my country the Central Bank did not say that its illegal to use but use with caution, however it can be blocked using their influence since thers only a handful of internet providers in my country. Theres even an internet provider who was able to block porn sites from being viewed. If they can do that to porn sites, they can do it well to sites related to Bitcoin.

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Quote from: prabowo96 on October 29, 2016, 01:08:41 AM

Quote from: Patatas on October 28, 2016, 12:00:49 PM

Quote from: apoorvlathey on October 18, 2016, 08:48:03 PM

Recently many file sharing sites and torrents had been banned in my country to stop piracy.

Use a VPN.Everyone needs freedom to do whatever they want on the internet.Torrents will never die.FTP's will never stop.You just need to look at the right places.For instance,check out russian torrent sites.

Quote from: apoorvlathey on October 18, 2016, 08:48:03 PM

Is there a way that the government or the isp may block the connection to bitcoin network by its users ??

Not unless they start taking actions against miners.How many IP's do you think they can individually start banning? They won't waste their time on this.

I think the fast way here, is baning the commerce, so don't matter how many bitcoins users the world have, none will have where to spend it... However I think they just don't care, bitcoin marketcap is low af compared to others fiat currencies.

Banning commerce is definitely one of the best and most effective ways to lock people from effectively using Bitcoin, however it will not stop peer-to-peer transactions that can take place on isolated and out-of-the-way places on the internet.

The only way they could stop that, iirc, is by going and blocking each node.

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I don't feel Bitcoin will be banned. So far there no news or indication it could be. Blocking it would be far more problematic. Hence I don't think government will be in Any rush to banned them. So take a chill pill

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If other people will continue to use it on illegal activities there is a possibility that the government will ban it. And maybe if the government will see that establishments and some store will not pay appropriate fees or taxes. Government still have the last say on everything in this world. They are the one who manipulate or let say they are the one who were in control.

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Technically I think they might be able to stop people from running nodes etc... but there isn't a way to stop you from using tor for example and using blockchain and therefore using BTC, generally banning bitcoins would be difficult in a country with decent law since this isn't like piracy...

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