Topic: Can bitcoin be blocked too by the government or isp ?? - page 4. (Read 4271 times)

NO.bitcoin wallets or exchanges ip may be banned but banning the entire blockchain network is not possible as far as I know

governments care about money. they pass on the duties of child porn investigations to local law enforcement.
after all you never see a senator or a MP raiding perves houses.

the government are restricted from directly getting a ISP to ban individuals from using the internet. hense why i said it would have to be done via interpol.
also interpol would need 'good cause' to get a court order to do such things.

with things like perves. stopping their internet is just an alarm bell for the perves to destroy evidence. and thats why they prefer to do 'morning raids' to surprise the perverts and avoid evidence being destroyed. rather than shut down their internet.

though cutting off the internet is both physically and technically possible. the procedures involved in doing so are not straight forward. a government would need to create a law to allow law enforcement to apply to courts to accept and create a court order without question.
much like a bitlicence can be used to stop a unregistered business in new york by applying for a takedown order.
so at the moment i cannot see it happening in reality any time soon to stop individuals.. but that can change much like the change that affects businesses in newyork

but just because there is no bitcoin ban law for individuals in 200 countries right now does not mean we should be apathetic and not secure bitcoin more to prepare/prevent the chance of future changes to the law. we should not leave bitcoin weak to internet banning of just 6000 landlines and then sit on our hands and hope to lobby government to not open the weakness to an attack.
we should not rely on government to solve bitcoin security/utility weaknesses. we should secure bitcoin to not rely on governments.

bitcoin should be at a self sustaining state that no law or individual can hamper it. and not at a mediocre state of hope and faith that bad things cant happen.

apathy and hope which causes lazyness is a security risk.
much like blind faith in devs without  personally checking what features and code actually does become a risk.
its how trojans end up on peoples computers because they trust too much that something wont go wrong.

i think government and isp can banned bitcoin for the connection like what they did with gambling and porn website. but i hope the government will not banned bitcoin so we can still make money and we can still doing trading. if in case government is banned bitcoin, i really don't know what i am going to do.

If I good remember, some state of USA already blocked exchanges, so it's hard to deal with bitcoin in this conditions...
If government want, they can broke bitcoin...

Some governs don't like bitcoins, principally dictators. Some time ago I saw that Russia government didn't want people there using BTCs, don't know if it continues. But more governments don't want the use of bitcoins, because they don't want to see independent people using an independent currency. The only thing they can offer to their people is poorness, and when their people find a way to have prosperity, they just forbid it...

actually government can block the internet for all users but this will break the world nowadays...

I don't think the governments will ban the bitcoin use, it's something harmless...

Then we are witnessing one threatened and angry government using everything they got just to stop an independent, decentralized and peer to peer internet tokens system which is giving more potential benefit to humanity just like the invention of the telephone. If they were to use their powers that way then they should start using it to stop child porn or something morally wrong.

Im glad there are users in the thread who realize that the government actually has power to harm Bitcoin.
Some people undersetimate the capabilities of the major powers when it comes to cyber warfare, control of the internet, etc.
It's also foolish to think that they don't already have plans for Bitcoin or any other transaction system that requires the internet to function.

I remember five years ago telling people that the NSA was collecting phone data on everyone in the country and no one believed it.
"There is no way they could collect that much data!"

Bitcoin system is like torrent P2P system. If they want to destroy bitcoin, they will have to ban everysingle IP which is connected to the blockchain. Which is pretty dump. Doable but it won't happen.

Oh yes, it's possible and very easy to do. It's already being done in many places.

As I travel a lot, I often use free wifi services in cafes and the like, and in most places, FTP doesn't work. Sometimes I cannot use email at all, sometimes I can read my mail but I cannot reply (I'm using ports 995 & 465), and very often Electrum cannot connect. Some websites such as those of airlines companies which are heavily secured do not work everywhere, too.

If it can be done in a cafe, it can also be done at the ISP level.

ok. another worse case scenario.

a government could via united nations/interpol set up a sudden international tactical strike

this can be done by
https://bitnodes.21.co/
getting all the IP's and finding out which ISP that ip belongs to.
EG in the UK its under 230..in the U.S its under 1500

so imagine tomorrow under 230 homes out of 20 million households have their internet disconnected
at the same time
in america under 1500 homes out of 100mill households have their internet disconnected
and so on
even things like proxies are useless because the landline has been literally cut off for upto 6000 locations
think its impossible? its not. ISP's have millions of customers and regularly turn the internet off on 10's of thousands of users every week due to breach of contract/non payment of bill.

they would also take bitnodes and other DNS seeding locations offline to further cause drama of new node locations not being able to link up, though smart people will just join an IRC channel and request a list of working ip addresses to manually add node connections

as for the network
what would happen is that the countries with no "partnerships" to whatever agency is organising this tactical strike will continue on. and people who are affected would need to either move house or go to court to get their internet ban lifted or change ISP which can take upto 10 days in some cases.

again it wont require an all out "ban the internet" of 1.5billion people. but instead disconnecting the land lines of under 6000 people to cause alot of drama and issues.

the solution is to get more diverse. instead of bitcoin nodes running in just 91 countries it needs to be running in all 200 countries. and also needs to be running via satalite and other non landline/ISP reliant methods

They can do this, but probably they will have to turn off the Internet or use a complete ban of access to resources from other countries. In fact, close p2p access is very difficult and finally there is not any problem to use vpn services.

I think, the Bitcoin network cannot be block by government or an ISP. Still if they blocked Bitcoin, we have deepnet to use Bitcoin.

Yes there are possibilities that government can block all the website related to bitcoin but not the bitcoin itself if they want it, if they think that bitcoin is a threat to their country simply from illegal drugs transaction then they will block it and ban in their respective country , but I guess it will never happen, because I guess that some officials in the government is also taking the pleasure of bitcoin.

How would a government block bitcoin if there are so many users who have it on there computers using them as small nodes?  I understand what is being said, but how can they block it from the inside?

Governments can however force ISP's to block IP addresses from nodes and various pools in an attempt to push Bitcoin back. All nodes are public with their IP addresses, so in that aspect it's not difficult at all. Even when nodes are being hosted from new IP addresses it's just a matter of refreshing their ban list several times a week.

If the government were to pass regulations outlawing Bitcoin, they would probably do a few things
1. Stop any financial transactions.
Exchanges would be shut down and any payment processing companies would risk fine/ shutdown if they dealt with bitcoin.
This would make it hard to convert fiat into Bitcoin and trade Bitcoins.

2. Attempt to shut down any large Bitcoin related sites.
They may attempt to force ISP to shut down sites/ stop DNS from resolving to hostnames of big Bitcoin sites.

It may be hard to shut down the actual Bitcoin network but without a way to convert back to fiat and all the exchanges shut down a lot of people may lose interest quickly.

well only wallet and bitcoins related site,blocking bitcoin(currencies) is impossible in my opinion,some ISP can only block a contenct by its server IPs,and does bitcoin have IPs? i think no,and that's why it's decentralized

It can, obviously. You can get it blocked by them if the government wants, just like there are websites in North Korea that are blocked from any other country to be visited. I'm aware of that but I don't think they will do anything about it for now, as it's not really a big thing.

Governments can block bitcoin too but only in terms of internet ISP. They can block internet users by ordering internet service providers to block bitcoin related sites from their service, but that won't affect bitcoin's real network at all. If we want to use bitcoin though even if our ISP blocks it, we can still use VPN to access bitcoin related sites and do some earning. Its only that it might be hard to exchange to fiat if government bans bitcoin in your country.