Two years ago bitcoin could have died, along with the Internet:
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You can't stop neither Internet or Bitcoin.
I mean how can you think that Internet or Bitcoin can be stopped ? Do you think there is an ON/OFF button somewhere ?
WTF ?
What about Fukushima?
Fukushima?
Where no one died because of radiation and no one got exposed to any harmful amount of radiation?
Dead: 2 drowned when the wave overcome the protective wall (9-12 m wave against 6 meters wall). One got a stroke a month later for overworking at the central.
Poisoned by radiation: zero
Old people killed because they was rushed away from their homes, hospitals?
"Families want answers after 45 people die following evacuation from Fukushima hospital". Mainichi Daily News. 26 http://mdn.mainichi.jp/features/archive/news/2011/04/20110426p2a00m0na006000c.html
Boys, when your coast is hit by a 9-12 m high wave from a tsunami, a nuclear reactor going critical is the last of your problems.
Japan had something like 10K dead in a hour, many other after and a lot of people without homes and jobs; not to talk about chemical factories, oil refineries, etc. leaking any type of chemical poison known and unknown.
The problem is not switching off internet, it is keeping it switched off not locally but globally.
You could have an AM radio signal broadcasting, globally, transactions and the blockchain.
You could have satellite broadcasting the transactions and the blockchain
You could have the DVB-T/S/C broadcasting transactions and the blockchain.
You could have wi-fi and wired ethernet networks to broadcast transactions and the blockchain.
You could have analog modems do it.
World will have much larger problem in moment that Internet dies. There are so many important data, so many important services depending on Internet communication, that would make your lives pretty.....complicated.
Of course won't survive, or you can use LAN/WLAN 
But, if goverment shutdown. There will be much more bigger problem.
Global Financial Crisis might happen again
And there are riot to restore internet
But, if goverment shutdown. There will be much more bigger problem.
Global Financial Crisis might happen again
And there are riot to restore internet
Thats why most governments would rather censor the internet in their respective countries than actually shut it down too much money has been put into it.
Of course won't survive, or you can use LAN/WLAN
But, if goverment shutdown. There will be much more bigger problem.
Global Financial Crisis might happen again
And there are riot to restore internet
But, if goverment shutdown. There will be much more bigger problem.
Global Financial Crisis might happen again
And there are riot to restore internet
What if someone (governments together with banks) would decide to shut down the Internet?
The governments would not survive. The whole globalized society would not survive. It would implode and disappear within days and weeks. All nuclear plants would spread its nuclear inventory into the atmosphere as soon as the power grids collapse.
The power grids would collapse, that's a given. But there is nothing to say nuclear plants will just explode once it goes down.
Things like that don't explode for the sake of exploding. They have massive safety measures in place to help stop meltdowns.
What about Fukushima?
The generators got flooded out while they tried to turn off the cores, which in turn caused a total loss of power (No outside grid, no generators, no cores) and it prevented most of the machines from running, extracting the uranium rods, and tucking them away. Instead, the cooling system was flooded out, rods were left running, and it overheated.
It was the Tsunami, not the grid that caused it to die.
The point is even safety measures fail. I believe they engineered a sea wall in case of tsunami but they didn't build it high enougg
They did have a sea wall, and I think it was something like 2 feet too low (Most likely more than that) and the water overflowed into the plant. So you did get that fact right
Erm, I don't why you being so cocky. But Fukushima did lose power to the emergency generator and the the backup batteries. So total loss of power can result in meltdown.
That was literally what I've been trying to explain; nuclear reactors don't just release their radiation into the air if the power grid fails, it had to be influenced by other factors as well.
What if someone (governments together with banks) would decide to shut down the Internet?
The governments would not survive. The whole globalized society would not survive. It would implode and disappear within days and weeks. All nuclear plants would spread its nuclear inventory into the atmosphere as soon as the power grids collapse.
The power grids would collapse, that's a given. But there is nothing to say nuclear plants will just explode once it goes down.
Things like that don't explode for the sake of exploding. They have massive safety measures in place to help stop meltdowns.
What about Fukushima?
The generators got flooded out while they tried to turn off the cores, which in turn caused a total loss of power (No outside grid, no generators, no cores) and it prevented most of the machines from running, extracting the uranium rods, and tucking them away. Instead, the cooling system was flooded out, rods were left running, and it overheated.
It was the Tsunami, not the grid that caused it to die.
The point is even safety measures fail. I believe they engineered a sea wall in case of tsunami but they didn't build it high enougg
They did have a sea wall, and I think it was something like 2 feet too low (Most likely more than that) and the water overflowed into the plant. So you did get that fact right
Erm, I don't why you being so cocky. But Fukushima did lose power to the emergency generator and the the backup batteries. So total loss of power can result in meltdown.
What if someone (governments together with banks) would decide to shut down the Internet?
The governments would not survive. The whole globalized society would not survive. It would implode and disappear within days and weeks. All nuclear plants would spread its nuclear inventory into the atmosphere as soon as the power grids collapse.
The power grids would collapse, that's a given. But there is nothing to say nuclear plants will just explode once it goes down.
Things like that don't explode for the sake of exploding. They have massive safety measures in place to help stop meltdowns.
What about Fukushima?
The generators got flooded out while they tried to turn off the cores, which in turn caused a total loss of power (No outside grid, no generators, no cores) and it prevented most of the machines from running, extracting the uranium rods, and tucking them away. Instead, the cooling system was flooded out, rods were left running, and it overheated.
It was the Tsunami, not the grid that caused it to die.
The point is even safety measures fail. I believe they engineered a sea wall in case of tsunami but they didn't build it high enougg
They did have a sea wall, and I think it was something like 2 feet too low (Most likely more than that) and the water overflowed into the plant. So you did get that fact right
What if someone (governments together with banks) would decide to shut down the Internet?
The governments would not survive. The whole globalized society would not survive. It would implode and disappear within days and weeks. All nuclear plants would spread its nuclear inventory into the atmosphere as soon as the power grids collapse.
The power grids would collapse, that's a given. But there is nothing to say nuclear plants will just explode once it goes down.
Things like that don't explode for the sake of exploding. They have massive safety measures in place to help stop meltdowns.
What about Fukushima?
The generators got flooded out while they tried to turn off the cores, which in turn caused a total loss of power (No outside grid, no generators, no cores) and it prevented most of the machines from running, extracting the uranium rods, and tucking them away. Instead, the cooling system was flooded out, rods were left running, and it overheated.
It was the Tsunami, not the grid that caused it to die.
The point is even safety measures fail. I believe they engineered a sea wall in case of tsunami but they didn't build it high enougg
What if someone (governments together with banks) would decide to shut down the Internet?
The governments would not survive. The whole globalized society would not survive. It would implode and disappear within days and weeks. All nuclear plants would spread its nuclear inventory into the atmosphere as soon as the power grids collapse.
The power grids would collapse, that's a given. But there is nothing to say nuclear plants will just explode once it goes down.
Things like that don't explode for the sake of exploding. They have massive safety measures in place to help stop meltdowns.
What about Fukushima?
The generators got flooded out while they tried to turn off the cores, which in turn caused a total loss of power (No outside grid, no generators, no cores) and it prevented most of the machines from running, extracting the uranium rods, and tucking them away. Instead, the cooling system was flooded out, rods were left running, and it overheated.
It was the Tsunami, not the grid that caused it to die.
What if someone (governments together with banks) would decide to shut down the Internet?
The governments would not survive. The whole globalized society would not survive. It would implode and disappear within days and weeks. All nuclear plants would spread its nuclear inventory into the atmosphere as soon as the power grids collapse.
The power grids would collapse, that's a given. But there is nothing to say nuclear plants will just explode once it goes down.
Things like that don't explode for the sake of exploding. They have massive safety measures in place to help stop meltdowns.
What about Fukushima?
We will create the Bitnet.
The Bitcoin network should not depend on the Internet forever. In case of a major Internet failure (caused by wars, natural disasters, corrupt governments, etc) we would become "hostages". There should be a "backup network" in wich Bitcoin could function. A P2P network seems to be the ideal: It is not impossible (although it seems to be difficult at first) that an independent P2P network is created, to coexist running in parallel with the Internet, but with its own infrastructure.
There's a discussion on this subject here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitpool-mesh-networks-to-bypass-isps-666425
P2P, assuming that it doesn't have a centralized system, could also mean that we could be free from the NSA and so, since our communication would go through wires (Hypothetically), making it so they would have to literally have a box on the cable watching data flowing.There's a discussion on this subject here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitpool-mesh-networks-to-bypass-isps-666425
I think a P2P internet would be a good idea, namely for Bitcoin, and I'm sure that it would help to increase it's price, as there is now a way that Bitcoin can remain viable, even in times of supposed crisis.
Or just set up stations in cities everywhere that are connected to this network, and people can optionally have one connected to their house.
Chances are you're not going to read this again, so I really question why I'm responding to you. You just walked in, said something, and left.
But what happens if the internet goes down?
And it's not P2P, ISPs and Servers are in the middle of it, meaning it is also centralised. Please get your facts right.
The Bitcoin network should not depend on the Internet forever. In case of a major Internet failure (caused by wars, natural disasters, corrupt governments, etc) we would become "hostages". There should be a "backup network" in wich Bitcoin could function. A P2P network seems to be the ideal: It is not impossible (although it seems to be difficult at first) that an independent P2P network is created, to coexist running in parallel with the Internet, but with its own infrastructure.
There's a discussion on this subject here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitpool-mesh-networks-to-bypass-isps-666425
P2P, assuming that it doesn't have a centralized system, could also mean that we could be free from the NSA and so, since our communication would go through wires (Hypothetically), making it so they would have to literally have a box on the cable watching data flowing.There's a discussion on this subject here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitpool-mesh-networks-to-bypass-isps-666425
I think a P2P internet would be a good idea, namely for Bitcoin, and I'm sure that it would help to increase it's price, as there is now a way that Bitcoin can remain viable, even in times of supposed crisis.
Or just set up stations in cities everywhere that are connected to this network, and people can optionally have one connected to their house.
What if someone (governments together with banks) would decide to shut down the Internet?
The governments would not survive. The whole globalized society would not survive. It would implode and disappear within days and weeks. All nuclear plants would spread its nuclear inventory into the atmosphere as soon as the power grids collapse.
The power grids would collapse, that's a given. But there is nothing to say nuclear plants will just explode once it goes down.
Things like that don't explode for the sake of exploding. They have massive safety measures in place to help stop meltdowns.
What if someone (governments together with banks) would decide to shut down the Internet?
The governments would not survive. The whole globalized society would not survive. It would implode and disappear within days and weeks. All nuclear plants would spread its nuclear inventory into the atmosphere as soon as the power grids collapse.
I'm pretty sure shutting down the internet would cause bigger problems...
This..without the web the human bubble we have created would come crashing down.. HARD. BILLIONS would die.
The Bitcoin network should not depend on the Internet forever. In case of a major Internet failure (caused by wars, natural disasters, corrupt governments, etc) we would become "hostages". There should be a "backup network" in wich Bitcoin could function. A P2P network seems to be the ideal: It is not impossible (although it seems to be difficult at first) that an independent P2P network is created, to coexist running in parallel with the Internet, but with its own infrastructure.
There's a discussion on this subject here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitpool-mesh-networks-to-bypass-isps-666425
P2P, assuming that it doesn't have a centralized system, could also mean that we could be free from the NSA and so, since our communication would go through wires (Hypothetically), making it so they would have to literally have a box on the cable watching data flowing.There's a discussion on this subject here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitpool-mesh-networks-to-bypass-isps-666425
I think a P2P internet would be a good idea, namely for Bitcoin, and I'm sure that it would help to increase it's price, as there is now a way that Bitcoin can remain viable, even in times of supposed crisis.
Or just set up stations in cities everywhere that are connected to this network, and people can optionally have one connected to their house.
The Bitcoin network should not depend on the Internet forever. In case of a major Internet failure (caused by wars, natural disasters, corrupt governments, etc) we would become "hostages". There should be a "backup network" in wich Bitcoin could function. A P2P network seems to be the ideal: It is not impossible (although it seems to be difficult at first) that an independent P2P network is created, to coexist running in parallel with the Internet, but with its own infrastructure.
There's a discussion on this subject here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitpool-mesh-networks-to-bypass-isps-666425
There's a discussion on this subject here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitpool-mesh-networks-to-bypass-isps-666425
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