Well this is business and people also want to make money from it and for the third part games that was removed from stake, there might be possibilities of stake not making any profits from such games and if they aren't making money and profits from the games, then they should be making losses and no one gets into a business to make loss.
I don't know if anyone checked Google to see if these games were removed from other reputable platforms as well but I think I'm not bothered about third parties since the casino has to do some auditing before putting those games on their platform and since I trust whatever casino i decide to use, I have no reason to be worried over third party games.
Topic: Can we trust 3rd party Slot providers? - page 2. (Read 709 times)
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If you're really skepticism with third party slot providers, then you should only gamble on original games which created by the casino.
Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.
Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.
You are right there, we still have the final choice of which game we want to play in a casino. It's also very simple if you don't like third party providers and you have doubts about it, don't play it. So you don't have any problems in the end.
It's just that there are different games from the original, there's boredom to play, but that's still up to you.
And when that is the case, they will return to playing at casinos that provide third-party slot providers. In the end, they won't mind third parties and play the many gambling games that casinos have provided. So we better not have to think about too complicated things and just enjoy the gambling game by playing lots of slot games.
Are there any other solution than trusting these 3rd party slot providers? If there is nothing better than this then we have to manage things as it is, for now. Casinos have every right to remove a game if they believe that something is up, truth is the majority of those games are in good shape and fewer people are complaining about them so it seems things are fine, if not, the complaints will be everywhere by now.
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After all, third-party slot providers will only be added by casinos if they can have a good impact and can also provide benefits for the casino, we as gamblers can only play and choose which one we can trust and can rely on.
If we can trust a casino, indirectly the existing slot providers can also be trusted because it greatly affects reputation so it is impossible to disappoint users.
If we can trust a casino, indirectly the existing slot providers can also be trusted because it greatly affects reputation so it is impossible to disappoint users.
Slot provider reputation will not directly reflect casino reputation since most of the slot providers especially the popular one is being added by many casino including scammy casino and reputable casino since they will just add the software of the provider while the casino get a commission on every spin. I suggest that we should do our own due diligence on checking the slot provider before we can trust them.
providers who give influence and problems in casinos will definitely be removed soon so we don't have to think too much about whether they can be trusted or not.
Casino will only remove the provider once there’s known issue with them not if this provider have issue on other casino. This idea of trusting is invalid if the provider has a problem on other casino while the casino you are using is not updated on the active case on other casino. Remember that there’s a lot of cases being file on all of the slot provider.
But sticking on the popular brand will gonna give you less chance of being scam but still there still a threat because this provider is not open source. They can rig the game whenever they want.
- Third party slot providers can be trusted as long as they are doing well and comply with the policy of a casino, why not?
A casino only removes a 3rd party provider from a slot if they see that their platform can be affected due to an issue that a slot provider can create. And this is normal for a casino platform so they can maintain the good reputation they have.
After all, third-party slot providers will only be added by casinos if they can have a good impact and can also provide benefits for the casino, we as gamblers can only play and choose which one we can trust and can rely on.A casino only removes a 3rd party provider from a slot if they see that their platform can be affected due to an issue that a slot provider can create. And this is normal for a casino platform so they can maintain the good reputation they have.
If we can trust a casino, indirectly the existing slot providers can also be trusted because it greatly affects reputation so it is impossible to disappoint users.
I agree with your statement because providers who give influence and problems in casinos will definitely be removed soon so we don't have to think too much about whether they can be trusted or not.
We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.
Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Let's discuss....
Not really. You can't verify the bets you place on those games. And then when you win big, they will start "investigating" how you won big. They won't do it when you lose though.. Most likely they removed those games because they didn't meet the standards and likely wouldn't reveal anything about how their slots work or so on. Why would a casino risk their reputation by using a 3rd party slot that has lots of irregularities? Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Let's discuss....
If you're really skepticism with third party slot providers, then you should only gamble on original games which created by the casino.
Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.
Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.
You are right there, we still have the final choice of which game we want to play in a casino. It's also very simple if you don't like third party providers and you have doubts about it, don't play it. So you don't have any problems in the end.
It's just that there are different games from the original, there's boredom to play, but that's still up to you.
The thing is this.... all the code that are used in third party Slots and games are proprietary software..... they are not using Open source code that can be Peer reviewed or tested by the public.
The licensing authorities most probably, do not test the software to determine if it "legit".... they just govern and regulate the operation of these companies.
How will they know if the code in the software will bypass the output of the Client & server seed and the RNG to display a loss, when it was actually a big win? ....or to freeze the game, when there are a significant win? ...or to display a fake RTP when it is audited and hiding the actual RTP.
The licensing authorities most probably, do not test the software to determine if it "legit".... they just govern and regulate the operation of these companies.
How will they know if the code in the software will bypass the output of the Client & server seed and the RNG to display a loss, when it was actually a big win? ....or to freeze the game, when there are a significant win? ...or to display a fake RTP when it is audited and hiding the actual RTP.
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Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Supposedly the casino can handle that itself, and actually it's the backend developer's responsibility if the casino is selective enough to hire an experienced team. The fact is that most game providers and casinos themselves have set up their separate independent audit teams from well-known companies. And again we are led to rely on third parties.
Not until these slot providers reportedly do some irregularities, that's the only time we shouldn't trust them. We will never know if these providers will be crappy providers in the future. Besides, if these providers really intend to do some irregularities, I think the gambling site itself will have the advantages as losses will be part of the site's overall revenue and the cost is even less than the site is spending to pay that said providers.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone knows if there's already a case of a shitty activity done by a popular slot provider in the past and the gambling site involved is also popular? Is that slot provider already in operation and accepted by most gambling sites?
The question is general and not only for crypto-gambling sites.
Recognizing that no one knows what the future holds, we were urged to remain strong and prepared for whatever event might occur. When it comes to online, I've always expected critical losses, failing and repeating, and getting back up for the purpose to fit in the objective of innovation. Slot providers accomplished their fundamental task, however being limited in their civic duty due to inconsistencies is completely understandable. They move in a shady manner, and their movement is highlighted with good features; they readily put limits on them. There is no knowledge of any previous pending proceedings against slot providers or gambling. Just out of curiosity, does anyone knows if there's already a case of a shitty activity done by a popular slot provider in the past and the gambling site involved is also popular? Is that slot provider already in operation and accepted by most gambling sites?
The question is general and not only for crypto-gambling sites.
Trust is what makes us still play in the casino. The only time we can’t trust this 3rd party slot provider is when they show irregularities but being doubtful to them without any valid reason will just make our gambling experience full of doubts.
Like what Stake did. The only thing we can do is trust the casino that accepts this 3rd party slot provider since they are the one who review and audit this games to ensure the safety of their customer. For me I can still trust some of the slot provider that has good track of record for providing a quality slot game.
Like what Stake did. The only thing we can do is trust the casino that accepts this 3rd party slot provider since they are the one who review and audit this games to ensure the safety of their customer. For me I can still trust some of the slot provider that has good track of record for providing a quality slot game.
You're very correct, we have to trust the casino we're using and believe they won't scam us. If they believe that a 3rd party slot providers are the best option then we have to trust them and make use of the site that way.
If the slots 3rd party provider doesn't scam anyone then we have to trust them. All that matters are my profits that I'm making, I don't really care how the casino is been operated, since I'm not getting scammed.
Also provided I'm not getting any discomfort and so are the other customers of the casino aren't getting any discomfort as well then we have to make use of the casino platform as it is. In the future if things change we stop using the casino.
- Third party slot providers can be trusted as long as they are doing well and comply with the policy of a casino, why not?
A casino only removes a 3rd party provider from a slot if they see that their platform can be affected due to an issue that a slot provider can create. And this is normal for a casino platform so they can maintain the good reputation they have.
A casino only removes a 3rd party provider from a slot if they see that their platform can be affected due to an issue that a slot provider can create. And this is normal for a casino platform so they can maintain the good reputation they have.
Not until these slot providers reportedly do some irregularities, that's the only time we shouldn't trust them. We will never know if these providers will be crappy providers in the future. Besides, if these providers really intend to do some irregularities, I think the gambling site itself will have the advantages as losses will be part of the site's overall revenue and the cost is even less than the site is spending to pay that said providers.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone knows if there's already a case of a shitty activity done by a popular slot provider in the past and the gambling site involved is also popular? Is that slot provider already in operation and accepted by most gambling sites?
The question is general and not only for crypto-gambling sites.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone knows if there's already a case of a shitty activity done by a popular slot provider in the past and the gambling site involved is also popular? Is that slot provider already in operation and accepted by most gambling sites?
The question is general and not only for crypto-gambling sites.
My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
In the first place, what choice do we have? And I don't think "trust" should be the keyword here.
When it comes to trusting third-party slot providers in online casinos, consider having your own research and choosing a reputable casino that has been licensed and regulated by a reputable authority. For me, it should be the RTP is typically calculated based on a theoretical simulation that assumes a number of spins. This means that the actual RTP that a player experiences over a smaller number of spins may differ from the theoretical RTP, and there may be variance in the short term.
My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
In the first place, what choice do we have? And I don't think "trust" should be the keyword here.
If these game providers are still listed on gambling sites, especially popular ones, we will still play their games no matter what especially for those slot bettors who already experienced winning decently at those slots. It's already a clear thing that bettors rely on the status of the gambling site itself, and not on the game providers inside the platform.
Trust is subjective but as long as these game providers are present on the gambling site, many users will still play their slots games even without knowing the technical side of how fair results are generated, RTPs, and something along those lines.
I think we all-agree
Whether you trust them or not, you must trust them if playing their games. If you think, their game are shady or their have something fishy then you should skip that. However, I want to share a unique experience.
I read some cases, CASINO refuse to pay jackpot user because they think have some glitch or cheating. However, the "Provider" game confirm the wining is legit and they register to bitcointalk as well to inform the case. Due, the problem are with the casino and the provider think the casino want to frame the provider with some false allegation. You want to know what the provider did? they stop the service with the casino due of this.
Based on that case, provider is not always on casino side.
Casinos should be more responsible for this as they are the one choosing the providers on their site and its not the problem of a gambler, they should solve that internally and let the gambler get his reward. Too bad if you are being trap on this situation, anyway I agree that we should trust them as we play their games, there’s also a big factor here on which site you are playing, a reputable site will always have a good gaming provider. Whether you trust them or not, you must trust them if playing their games. If you think, their game are shady or their have something fishy then you should skip that. However, I want to share a unique experience.
I read some cases, CASINO refuse to pay jackpot user because they think have some glitch or cheating. However, the "Provider" game confirm the wining is legit and they register to bitcointalk as well to inform the case. Due, the problem are with the casino and the provider think the casino want to frame the provider with some false allegation. You want to know what the provider did? they stop the service with the casino due of this.
Based on that case, provider is not always on casino side.
We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.
Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Let's discuss....
Well at least we can trust that some casinos like stake are monitoring those irregularities. It could be that slot providers will need to be audited more closely in the future and those new providers will be under a microscope for a while. I personally don't understand why it would be worth risk to them as reputation is everything and this only drives monopoly to bigger slot providers so it will be hard for new legit providers to entry to markets. Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Let's discuss....
We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.
Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Let's discuss....
Are there any options other than 3rd party slot providers? I haven't seen any famous casino with its own slot company, all of them partner with lots of different slot providers for more options and to meet the requirements of their users.Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Let's discuss....
To be honest, RTP is so low on slots, I don't really know why someone plays them with a hope of win. If you google the RPT of slot games, it literally tells you that from every 10 dollar you bet, I'm gonna take 1 dollar and after that you guys still hope that you will get returns from it?
Btw slots are regulated. In any case, they don't really need to cheat.
The reason why casinos might drop games from specific game providers could be anything, there might even be some argument between the two which might have caused that to happen, but whatever the reason is, there is basically no way to find out if they are actually providing the advertised RTPs or not unless they are being audited by auditing services.
I believe one of the major reasons why a gambling platform will drop a third party slot providers is because the casino had found that the games of that slot provider have glitches than can be exploited by players that can lead to the losses of the casino. Other than that, it is also possible that the games by the third party casino does not attract interest enough player and having them around only waste the resources of a casino.
The best way to tackle that is probably to only play games from the most famous and trusted game providers like Pragmatic Plays which also have the most interesting and engaging games and are most probably the trusted providers in the industry.
Well, it is one of the solutions, but I think it is better to choose reputable casino than to choose specific 3rd party slot providers because we neve know when these unreputable casinos modify the system of the casino in order to gain advantage over the player.
I think we all-agree
Whether you trust them or not, you must trust them if playing their games. If you think, their game are shady or their have something fishy then you should skip that. However, I want to share a unique experience.
Whether you trust them or not, you must trust them if playing their games. If you think, their game are shady or their have something fishy then you should skip that. However, I want to share a unique experience.
Correct. I’m playing slot because I like playing their games which I don’t have a choice than to trust them because there’s no way for me to play the slot in different version which we can verify the fairness. It’s enough for me to see that many players are using it because that’s when the trust built to make other user confidence on playing the slot.
I think this trust discussion on slot provider is long overdue because this slot provider exist for many years and it’s too late now to not trust them because they are already part of the crypto casino for a long time. Questioning their credibility now will not gonna change the fact that they are already being trusted by the majority of online casino users.
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