I think we all-agree
Whether you trust them or not, you must trust them if playing their games. If you think, their game are shady or their have something fishy then you should skip that. However, I want to share a unique experience.
I read some cases, CASINO refuse to pay jackpot user because they think have some glitch or cheating. However, the "Provider" game confirm the wining is legit and they register to bitcointalk as well to inform the case. Due, the problem are with the casino and the provider think the casino want to frame the provider with some false allegation. You want to know what the provider did? they stop the service with the casino due of this.
Based on that case, provider is not always on casino side.
Topic: Can we trust 3rd party Slot providers? - page 3. (Read 707 times)
Nothing we can do for this case if we want to play the games except trust the provider of the game.
Gambling itself is at the side of the gambling sites, while third parties too make money as it is providing the gambling sites the games that the gambling sites are provide their customers. I do not see any reason not to trust thrid party game providers, they are not even the gambling site because where they are making money from is the games that they are providing.Though you can't say that there is no reason not to trust third-party game providers, it can be said that we basically have no choice. You can barely find a casino that provides slots that are originally created by them.
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If there are no ways to verify their claims, You don't know what they are doing behind the scene. You are exclusively relying on trust. That's all. I don't know if there is a specific company that audits slot providers' games. If any company does that, you may know by this time. I did a Google search and found https://luisvilanova.es/. They have published a report after ISS and ISMS Audit, which can be found here https://luisvilanova.es/iss-audit-and-isms-audit-in-betting-slots-in-virtual-casinos/?lang=en I found a bunch of more articles that refer to audit. But those are bullshit with a bunch of irrelevant spam.
I don't have a correct answer to your question. moreover, I tend to prefer betting on sports over slot games.
You're again playing on a 3rd party provider, probably a mix of them (platform + various bets/odds providers like Betradar).
While you are not completely wrong. I would say that it is not the same to trust slots provided by third parties than trusting odds or services intended for sport betting. After all, you can gamble on slots during long sessions and during days and days and you would not be sure whether the game is rigged against you or not. That is main topic of the thread.
On the other hand, when you bet on sports, it is very unlikely to suffer from the same thing, since the results do not depend on the provider of the book and those are of public knowledge for everyone who watches the matches, so the honest outcome it cannot be hidden from the bettor.
We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.
Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Let's discuss....
Do players have a choice? Either you agree to the conditions provided and play without knowing anything about the audit of games and customizability RTP, or - the exit out is in that direction.Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Let's discuss....
In my opinion, no one asks the players anything whether they like it or not, but to demand and limit - this is done easily.
Trust is what makes us still play in the casino. The only time we can’t trust this 3rd party slot provider is when they show irregularities but being doubtful to them without any valid reason will just make our gambling experience full of doubts.
Like what Stake did. The only thing we can do is trust the casino that accepts this 3rd party slot provider since they are the one who review and audit this games to ensure the safety of their customer. For me I can still trust some of the slot provider that has good track of record for providing a quality slot game.
It turns out funny that the gamblers must trust the casino, but the casino doesn't trust its players and requires KYC verification. Like what Stake did. The only thing we can do is trust the casino that accepts this 3rd party slot provider since they are the one who review and audit this games to ensure the safety of their customer. For me I can still trust some of the slot provider that has good track of record for providing a quality slot game.
Not very equal rights are obtained, is it? 
I don't have a correct answer to your question. moreover, I tend to prefer betting on sports over slot games.
You're again playing on a 3rd party provider, probably a mix of them (platform + various bets/odds providers like Betradar).
Nothing we can do for this case if we want to play the games except trust the provider of the game.
Gambling itself is at the side of the gambling sites, while third parties too make money as it is providing the gambling sites the games that the gambling sites are provide their customers. I do not see any reason not to trust thrid party game providers, they are not even the gambling site because where they are making money from is the games that they are providing. 
We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.
Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Let's discuss....
Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Let's discuss....
Sometimes, this question pops up in my mind. Can the 3rd party slot provider be trusted? Unfortunately, I don't have a correct answer to your question. moreover, I tend to prefer betting on sports over slot games. However, that doesn't mean I don't play slot games. well, when we refer to casinos we trust, especially casinos that have a trustworthy reputation. automatically, making us believe playing at our favorite casino. even so, because I'm not a slot addict, we often ignore things like this and don't really mind. it's just that referring to your posts in this thread, and referring to what stake.com is doing, actually makes us even more confident if platforms casino don't hesitate to remove 3rd party slot providers who are allegedly doing irregularities. so, I can only entrust cases like this to related casinos. in particular, our favorite casino.
The reason why casinos might drop games from specific game providers could be anything, there might even be some argument between the two which might have caused that to happen, but whatever the reason is, there is basically no way to find out if they are actually providing the advertised RTPs or not unless they are being audited by auditing services.
The best way to tackle that is probably to only play games from the most famous and trusted game providers like Pragmatic Plays which also have the most interesting and engaging games and are most probably the trusted providers in the industry.
The best way to tackle that is probably to only play games from the most famous and trusted game providers like Pragmatic Plays which also have the most interesting and engaging games and are most probably the trusted providers in the industry.
If you're really skepticism with third party slot providers, then you should only gamble on original games which created by the casino.
Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.
Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.
There are still number of trusted provider games that continuously gain the trust of many players. They are providing fair games which maintain the trust of gamblers. However, we can't deny the fact that suspicious providers exist and they obviously have irregularities when it comes to results. If we notice suspicious occurrences on these provider games, we better switch to casino games than risk them. We still have lots of good choices than risking our funds on untrusted providers. We just have to be skeptical and keen observers when playing.
Let's discuss....
On the other hand, if no shady activities were done, then we should assume that there were just technical difficulties, probably bugs, that need to be taken care of before re-launching. After all, the gambling industry is dominated by 3rd party providers. So I believe that we can definitely trust them, furthermore, I think logs are existing so we can check how everything was configured. I just do not know if it is available for the public (as it should be so thus to provide transparency).
Depends but what is actually the need to do so? Why would it be more preferred than betting directly? What would give you more assurance? Problem only with fraudalent gambling platforms are rigged machines wherein you can easily avoid especially once you noticed winning is close to zero percent. weSlot providers are a biased to some players but if it is just assurance for sure there are ways to minimize the risk of encountering bad casinos. One is simply checking the site's credibility which can be done in many ways as well; asking players or checking its popularity in this industry. So I won't really suggest third party slot providers. Also, third party provider would get commission by providing their service, so...
If you're really skepticism with third party slot providers, then you should only gamble on original games which created by the casino.
Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.
Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.
Spend time on chat rooms of these casinos and you'll probably see some users demanding the owners to add a specific third party slots provider so that must mean they find them as trustworthy...
If customers keep asking the team to add a particular game to the list they have then that do not means that the third party game s are good and trustworthy.Quote
These are just people's opinion and if the team think that it could tarnish there name at the end, then they have teb privilege to remove any third party games that would hurt the trustworthy of the casinos so they people would not later come back to hunt the casino of having scam slot providers on there casino. This is business and everyone needs to be careful.
Those are not just people's opinions. Those are coming from real casino players. It's a given that owners will still have to review those games before deciding to add but requests from players like that are not something that the casino should ignore. There are gamblers that only plays in a casino if they see their favorite slots provider there.
My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Nothing we can do for this case if we want to play the games except trust the provider of the game.
Coming up to audit the games, I dont think there is other party who can audit the games by 3rd party providers except themselves and I think they keep it as a private thing.
There is no other option for us as gambler, whether to trust them and play the game or simply leave them if we feel there is something wrong.
If gambler want to prevent of getting scammed during gamble on third party slot providers, just pick either Pragmatic Play or Play n'Go.
Those are some of the most well known providers but Relax Gaming and No Limit City are in the same league when it comes to trusting third party slot providers and as you said most reputable casinos have no real reason to cheat on players by changing the RTP from those providers who offer such thing,namely I know only Play n Go so far.The reason is simple,there is the house edge in place which is exactly there to make the casino be in profit in the long run and the more people playing in such reputable casinos the better for them,so it is a personal choice where to trust these providers or not.
I can't play Pragmatic without VPN in 95% of casinos around, when it comes to Play'n'Go it's 50-50. But that is a different story I guess... what I wanted to say is that there are many other "more than good" providers around, with awesome slot games. BetSoft, Red Tiger, Push, and Yggdrasil are just some of the providers I play since ever. Recently I started playing Evoplay and ELK, they have some slots that look amazing... the gameplay, colors, and bonus rounds are very interesting.
I guess the only concern could be when a really big win happens (like huge, over $10k, maybe $100k), I would take a few screenshots and maybe a video (if possible) if there is a problem with the payment after that, which happened...
In the end, I still gamble on Play'n'Go, but if I get positive results from the games, I keep gambling on that website for longer. My winning rounds are what are most important to me, that's why people leave one gambling platform for another, so the winning streaks are all that matters. When you win you will always want to play more but doing so you can get addicted too, that's why I don't focus too much on gambling, either I am winning or losing I just look at things as if I am day trading.
If gambler want to prevent of getting scammed during gamble on third party slot providers, just pick either Pragmatic Play or Play n'Go.
Those are some of the most well known providers but Relax Gaming and No Limit City are in the same league when it comes to trusting third party slot providers and as you said most reputable casinos have no real reason to cheat on players by changing the RTP from those providers who offer such thing,namely I know only Play n Go so far.The reason is simple,there is the house edge in place which is exactly there to make the casino be in profit in the long run and the more people playing in such reputable casinos the better for them,so it is a personal choice where to trust these providers or not.
My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?
Let's discuss....
About trust and things? The gambling industry is doing business. A piece of software is easy to manipulate especially when it is not open source. So no matter if that is an in-house slot from a highly trusted casino or third party integration, you always have the chance to lose big money and become a victim of manipulation.Let's discuss....
Doing business is a normal thing enterprises do but their interest is always paramount which we all know so they can go to any extent to protect it without thinking what it would cost them as long as they have a way to cover their shaddy deal that is ok for them. So manipulation of softwares at their own benefit to the detriment of their players is not a thing of worry to them as they find and derive pleasure in doing such. This makes me believe that games lost by bettors or gamblers are not just a lose game but a manipulative one from casinos as a result of their position in setting up the game for the player, manipulating game softwares and doing everything necessary to make sure they gain at all costs.
A gambler never have an unlimite supply of money. When he is winning he is happy and wants to win more. You can not win all the time. Luck is a thing and it works for everyone. When you are lucky you are winning your chances and making profits but when the luck is not with you, you are losing. You try to chase your loss but then run out of your budget. Stop it for the day. You continue the cycle and in every cycle you are stopping when you are running out of your budget. Ultimately gambling industry is making money from it.
If your mindset was like in a session you will lose x amount or win y amount before you end the session. Have the numbers realistic. Whichever reach first stop the session. So if you lose x then stop the session. Come back for the next session with your scheduled time like you do your job. If you are lucky to reach y then also stop the session without becoming greedy for the next penny.
Asking such question is just like asking can we trust a crypto casino?
Obviously the answer is the old and reputable casino can be trusted because it's unlikely the casino will turn become scam, not like a small casino where the casino either scam or get abandon by the owner.
If gambler want to prevent of getting scammed during gamble on third party slot providers, just pick either Pragmatic Play or Play n'Go.
Obviously the answer is the old and reputable casino can be trusted because it's unlikely the casino will turn become scam, not like a small casino where the casino either scam or get abandon by the owner.
If gambler want to prevent of getting scammed during gamble on third party slot providers, just pick either Pragmatic Play or Play n'Go.
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