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Quote from: tsaroz on June 15, 2024, 06:06:01 AM

I can't and I don't recommend it to anyone. There surely are people who can do that but that's not the ideal way of securing it. Keeping it secure in your head might not be good idea as there are several ways it can go wrong. If it's a small amount, just keep a diary with details about it and the phrase and keep it secure with you. If it's a long term large hold, It's better to keep it written and at least at two different locations with the person closet to you aware of what it is and how to use it in case you are no more.
Putting a copy in the bank locker too can be a good idea. Some people even prefer halving the phrase and putting them in different places.

Of course this is not an easy thing to do and if we advise other people to memorize it then they will say of course there are other more effective options to keep it well and of course we save it in a place that we can remember and it is not easy for others to know. other people.
Yes, it would be better for us to store it in two different parts and make it easier for us to remember, of course this is better than memorizing it.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on June 15, 2024, 01:10:47 AM

I'm not sure if I can memorize my seed phrase, but let's try.

So my seed phrase is: fuck, pussy, gay, homophobic, vagina, penis, trans, asshole, dickhead, bitch, shit, slut. Wow I remembered all of my words, so definitely it's possible to memorize seed phrase.

Many people have good memory so remembering 12 words or 24 words is not a big problem for them, but you also need to take into account unexpected incidents such as accidents that cause temporary memory loss. How will you or your loved ones access your bitcoins?

This method has advantages because we can access our bitcoins whenever we want and the risk of information disclosure is almost non-existent. But that is not a method that brings absolute safety and not everyone has good memory to remember.

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Quote from: boyptc on June 14, 2024, 08:51:31 PM

If the place you're keeping it is exposed, you're going to regret that later on. Please put it somewhere safer in your house and I know that each house has that kind of place.

If he live in Gaza, there are no safe place.

Depending on the geographical area, security situation, weather...we will have appropriate seed storage methods. If you live in a war zone or an area prone to floods and earthquakes, storing it indoors or burying it in the backyard would be a bad idea. We need to be flexible in choosing methods that suit our conditions, instead of being rigid and imitating the ways of others.

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Quote from: Article4tip on June 14, 2024, 03:03:19 PM

Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?

Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.

I can't and I don't recommend it to anyone. There surely are people who can do that but that's not the ideal way of securing it. Keeping it secure in your head might not be good idea as there are several ways it can go wrong. If it's a small amount, just keep a diary with details about it and the phrase and keep it secure with you. If it's a long term large hold, It's better to keep it written and at least at two different locations with the person closet to you aware of what it is and how to use it in case you are no more.
Putting a copy in the bank locker too can be a good idea. Some people even prefer halving the phrase and putting them in different places.

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Quote from: Stable090 on June 15, 2024, 04:34:43 AM

Writing your recovery phrase on a piece of paper is not really the best option, and trying to memorize your recovery phrase is even worse.

Writing it on a piece of paper might not be the best option but it depends on where the paper is saved and if am to pick both I'll prefer writing it down on a piece of paper and storing the paper in a safe that's passworded, as we all know, most safes are both fire and water proofed and can't be easily penetrated without the owner giving you a password to it. Well, their are people with retentive memory that could easily memorise and remember their recovery phrase whenever but not everyone is born that way. Also one could remember it but find it difficult to arrange them orderly and one thing about the recovery phrase is that if you miss a word or forget how to arrange them orderly then you can't be granted acess to your wallet, so memorising it is a no no cause it has lots of disadvantages, I'll rather write it on piece of paper and save in a mini vault that's heavily protected or save it in my mail and secure the mail with a 2FA (2 factor authenticator) which i consider one of the best way of securing the recovery phrase.

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Quote from: Article4tip on June 14, 2024, 03:03:19 PM

Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?

Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.

I allow the use of memorization as a way to save the recovery phrase only as an additional method (several backup copies). Storage on hard media (or, in extreme cases, electronic, for example, flash drives and HDD) is mandatory. You can't rely on (human) memory alone.

If you memorize a recovery phrase, it is better to do it not by words, but in the form of a rhyme or song in which the seed phrases will be meaningfully embedded. This allows for better (faster) and safer memorization.

Advantages of this storage method:
- no one can get into your head and gain access to the recovery phrase (but this method is not secure to the $5 wrench method).

Flaws:
- if the storage medium (brain) is damaged due to injury or illness, restoring the seed-phrase becomes impossible.

Therefore, using this method as the main one when storing the recovery phrase looks very unreliable.

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Quote from: Article4tip on June 14, 2024, 03:03:19 PM

Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?

Would you try?

Writing seed phrases on a piece of paper covered with plastic is considered safe in my experience. The placement of the place to store the seed phrase written on paper must be adjusted.

No. I can't memorize it. For me it is not effective for remembering a number of words. If I can memorize it, I'm sure it will slowly be forgotten as I get older.
Even safer, use special materials to write seed phrases that are tested to be fire and water resistant.

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If sang repeatedly you can memorize it and it will remain the brain for as long as we want it. But i wouldn't let you to only rely to store your seed phrase based on the one you have memorized.

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Quote from: Assface16678 on June 14, 2024, 06:52:11 PM

So in short, the best method to keep your seed phrase safe is to bury it in your mind, so you are the only one who knows that and could have access to it.

You are wrong, that is one of the worst ways to store your seed phrase and a fast way to lose your coins or lock yourself out of your funds. There is no way you can remember the words for a longer period of time, you're surely going to forget some words or wrongly arrange them, you may also suffer injury or disease that could affect your memory.

The best method is to have a physical backup and store it in a very safe location, adding extra layers of security is also recommended. If you want to commit your seed phrase to memory, it should be after you have done all this, you can now count what you have memorized as an additional backup.

I agree with you, these pattern doesn't last for long because saving your seed phrase is not something you do everyday. Saving it in a hardware wallet is one of the best way and writing them down on peace of paper is one good way or in a document and keeping it in a disc.

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Just because a piece of paper doesn't take up much space it's not safe? For me there is still a safe place unless you know it yourself, we know where the safe place is to keep a piece of seed phrase notes.

I don't memorize seed phrases in my brain. It's human nature to forget especially for a long time unless you keep the notes by memorizing them in your brain then it's not a problem in my opinion.

It's just that it's enough, with a paper note because for me it feels safe.

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Quote from: Article4tip on June 14, 2024, 03:03:19 PM

Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?

Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.

When it comes to storing seed phrases, I'm pretty sure everyone will have more than 1 backup copy stored in different secure places just in case one gets lost and we still have other options to restore your assets. So memorizing the seed phrase is too risky without a backup. Have you ever thought of a situation where for some reason you can't remember the exact seed phrase and what you do next after that? If you're confident in your memory, you can memorize the phrase, but you must have a backup plan.

You need to remember that every method will have advantages and disadvantages, no method is 100% absolutely safe. So always have a backup plan when you use any method to store seed phrases.

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Quote from: Article4tip on June 14, 2024, 03:03:19 PM

Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?

Writing your recovery phrase on a piece of paper is not really the best option, and trying to memorize your recovery phrase is even worse. If you are storing your recovery phrase, it’s better if you carve it on a small piece of iron steel, then you can store it in a different location. Iron steel is always difficult to damage, so if there is a fire accident or if water touches it, then it’s not going to get damaged compared to if it’s written on paper. If you decide to memorize your recovery phrase, if anything happens and you forget some of it, then that means you already lost access to the wallet. We can’t be too confident about our brains, if you memorize your recovery phrase, you might remember everything at the early stage, but with time you might start forgetting some, so it’s totally wrong to memorize your recovery phrase as your only backup plan.

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Quote from: stompix on June 14, 2024, 05:33:31 PM

That's why I said it has no drawbacks as long as you have a physical copy of that private key!

Ah yeah, you are right, I completely missed that part of your post. I blame the sun as I spent almost the whole day yesterday on the beach and came home exhausted and with the massive headache. Cheesy

Quote from: stompix on June 14, 2024, 05:33:31 PM

Besides, if we talk about brain injury, depending on how serious a memory loss is you might even forget where you hid your private key or that bitcoin is all together!

True, and that's why its important to have contingency plan set in case of death/injury/illness (which I have), but somehow I think many don't.

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Quote from: Hatchy on June 14, 2024, 03:16:01 PM

Its very risky and not advisible to memorize your seed as the human memory might fail and you may end up losing your access to your fund. It's better to write it down and store in a safe places then if you so wish to use a brain wallet, then you just do it for the fun of it.

I concur to this memorizing such important life investment security like I do called it is very dangerous the best one can do is to right it down and keep in place where it will not be misplaced or been take by another person.
Then one also need to know the least five words or figure from the starting and also the five ending figure or work as that can help so easily in remembering the key or pass phrase.

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Quote from: Article4tip on June 14, 2024, 03:03:19 PM

Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?

Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.

Is very possible to memorize it because there are those who there brain is strong enough to memorize as many words as they want and there are also people too who doesn't have a good memory in terms of remembering things so it depends on the person if you feel there is need to memorize your key phrase but however no matter how retentive your brain is don't forget to always back up your key phrases because you will lose access immediately you forget it.

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Quote from: Article4tip on June 14, 2024, 03:03:19 PM

Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?

Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.

It's possible to memorize a 12-letter seed phrase, but memorizing a 24-letter seed phrase might be very difficult, since the letters are random and you need to memorize them in the right order. However, if you succeed in memorizing it, of course the advantage is that you no longer need to copy-paste or look at the paper where you wrote down the seed phrase - because you can write it directly from your head. But since the human brain is fallible, there is a possibility that the seed phrases you memorized are not in the correct sequence or you forgot some of them, that is the problem.

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Quote from: Article4tip on June 14, 2024, 03:03:19 PM

Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?

Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.

It is possible, but you are taking a massive risk by not writing your seed words, since even if you could remember most of your seed phrase, as long as you forgot a few of those words it could become incredibly challenging to ever recover your coins.

However there are some benefits to try to do this, so if for example you were moving through a place which you thought could put your coins at risk of being stolen, you could remember your seed words and not carry anything with you at the time, and once you were out of it you could write them out, still the risk of forgetting your seed words still exist, so this is something that you do only if the circumstances really forced you to do so.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on June 14, 2024, 04:25:14 PM

I probably could do but I don’t trust myself enough to destroy all copies that I have incase I forget one or two words. I have enough copies of my seed hidden in multiple locations not to worry about losing it. I don’t think it’s a good idea to only have your seed in your memory, it’s too risky.

I know that the shortest pencil is sharper than the biggest brain and as human beings we tend to forget things, especially if it is something like seed phrase that is supposed to be kept for many years. The pressures of everyday activities and challenges can make us to forget some minor details and in the case of seed phrase, if a person forgets one word of it, then it has ruined the rest that you remember, so it is better to have more than one copy and hide them in different safe locations where you can easily access them. Although it is not a bad idea to memorize seed phrase, but it will be a very bad idea to rely solely on memorizing it without having physical copies Incase you forget, so a person that wants to memorize from where they wrote the phrase periodically is a good idea too.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on June 15, 2024, 01:10:47 AM

Quote from: boyptc on June 14, 2024, 08:51:31 PM

If the place you're keeping it is exposed, you're going to regret that later on. Please put it somewhere safer in your house and I know that each house has that kind of place.

If he live in Gaza, there are no safe place.

Sad but truth and I pray for the peace of everyone in Gaza.

But I guess that since OP is able to post in here and for sure that he's in a safer place. So, that's possible that he's got a safe place in his house or apartment or wherever he is living right now.

He better find one for his own safekeeping.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on June 15, 2024, 01:10:47 AM

I'm not sure if I can memorize my seed phrase, but let's try.

If he live in Gaza, there are no safe place.

Depends on living conditions, people have to make choices of their wallet backups but they need to have different methods for backups. Use multiple backup methods is very good practice that if one is broken, they will have at least one or two more backups in one or two more methods to use.

Use memory to backup wallet seed is good if living conditions are very tough like in Gaza but it should never be the only choice for backups. This method is helpful and practical if you have only one or two wallets but if you have different wallets, it will be more challenging to remember many wallet seed words.

Depends on conditions of living, memory backup method can be the main or alternative backup methods and if it is an alternative backup method, to support other methods, it's good.

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I'm not sure if I can memorize my seed phrase, but let's try.

So my seed phrase is: fuck, pussy, gay, homophobic, vagina, penis, trans, asshole, dickhead, bitch, shit, slut. Wow I remembered all of my words, so definitely it's possible to memorize seed phrase.

Quote from: boyptc on June 14, 2024, 08:51:31 PM

If the place you're keeping it is exposed, you're going to regret that later on. Please put it somewhere safer in your house and I know that each house has that kind of place.

If he live in Gaza, there are no safe place.

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