Topic: Can You Memorize Your Recovery Phrase? - page 6. (Read 2037 times)
Memorizing your seed phrase is absolutely an uncalculated risk.Seed phrase are to be written on several pieces of paper or encrypted on a steel and kept in a safe place.What do you think should be the essence why crypto wallets generate seed phrase,the reason is seed phrase that is also known as recovery phrase are mixed words it could be 12 or 24, they are used to recover wallet in case a user lose hold of his/her digital asset and crypto wallet.The best way to store your seed phrase is by keeping it safe offline(on a paper)and not online.Memorizing your seed phrase is nothing but stressing the brain that's meant to store other vital informations.
Yes, I can do that, but I won't.
You always have to decide whether something is worth the time, the risk, the money invested.
You could technically get double doors to your apartment and lock each of them with 3 independent locks, but is it worth the time and money? Probably not.
It's the same with remembering a pass phrase. You can keep it engraved on a metal plate and it will never be destroyed and very hard to lose, especially if you put it somewhere really safe like under the floor board, or in a security safe.
Yes, everyone could memorize but not all would really be that good when it comes on remembering on which there would really be those individual that after they had put up into their minds but several hours or even on days they would really be able to forget. Impossible? No its not. This is why if you cant be able to trust up your memory specially if its a wallet that would be hold up for long term then it would be better that you should really be sticking into those good alternative methods on which same as you had mentioned on here that metal plate is something that more considerable but of course you would really be still needing up to consider on taking it away into other peoples awareness which it would really be just that a normal thing to be done.You always have to decide whether something is worth the time, the risk, the money invested.
You could technically get double doors to your apartment and lock each of them with 3 independent locks, but is it worth the time and money? Probably not.
It's the same with remembering a pass phrase. You can keep it engraved on a metal plate and it will never be destroyed and very hard to lose, especially if you put it somewhere really safe like under the floor board, or in a security safe.
If you are really that confident with your memory then go ahead but if its not then it would really be better not to do it because it will really be just giving out that very high chance
that you would really be able to forget those phrases on which we know on whats the risks on losing on here on which it is something that has value or simply money.
Yes, I can do that, but I won't.
You always have to decide whether something is worth the time, the risk, the money invested.
You could technically get double doors to your apartment and lock each of them with 3 independent locks, but is it worth the time and money? Probably not.
It's the same with remembering a pass phrase. You can keep it engraved on a metal plate and it will never be destroyed and very hard to lose, especially if you put it somewhere really safe like under the floor board, or in a security safe.
You always have to decide whether something is worth the time, the risk, the money invested.
You could technically get double doors to your apartment and lock each of them with 3 independent locks, but is it worth the time and money? Probably not.
It's the same with remembering a pass phrase. You can keep it engraved on a metal plate and it will never be destroyed and very hard to lose, especially if you put it somewhere really safe like under the floor board, or in a security safe.
Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?
Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.
I guess you can memorize your recovery phrase since it only consist of 12 - 24 words. If you are feeling threatened with your environment not being safe, I think you should try to memorize it and engrave it to your mind. One downside here is when you forgot or jumbled with words in your mind, it will be a disaster. if I am in your situation, I would still make a back up and store it to somewhere unexpected, on somewhere in your place that no one knows about crypto. Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.
It looks very difficult if you think about it superficially, how to remember a recovery phrase with 12/24 words, But it is still possible to remember the phrase quite well.
You can use the Mnemonic method such as the Chunking technique by grouping phrase words into parts, so it will be easy to remember.
And also uses the Loci Method to mark each word with an image so that each word will have its own visual as a marker.
I once did a memory trick like this when playing Rubik's with my eyes closed.
All steps are memorized, and each number symbol will indicate every move to be performed.
Using Chungkin's memory trick and developed by visualizing each group of words with a familiar image or place using the Loci method
Examples of 12-word recovery phrases
"1.Witch 2.Collapse 3.Practice 4.Feed 5.Shame 6.Open 7.Despair 8.Creek 9.Road 10.Again 11.Ice 12.least"
I group them into 3 Parts
Part 1. "witch collapse practice feed"
Part 2. "Shame Open Despair Creek"
Part 3. "Road Again Ice least"
Each word has an image or place, and each section will be converted into a sentence that is quite easy to hear.
So there will be a sentence that is generated from each part that shows the true meaning of the initial phrase of the restoration.
It is quite difficult, and this will depend on how strong your memory is to remember in the long run.
Because I myself use this trick to play rubik with my eyes closed for a period of about 5–10 minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci
https://www.mindtools.com/a8u1mqw/chunking
You can use the Mnemonic method such as the Chunking technique by grouping phrase words into parts, so it will be easy to remember.
And also uses the Loci Method to mark each word with an image so that each word will have its own visual as a marker.
I once did a memory trick like this when playing Rubik's with my eyes closed.
All steps are memorized, and each number symbol will indicate every move to be performed.
Using Chungkin's memory trick and developed by visualizing each group of words with a familiar image or place using the Loci method
Examples of 12-word recovery phrases
"1.Witch 2.Collapse 3.Practice 4.Feed 5.Shame 6.Open 7.Despair 8.Creek 9.Road 10.Again 11.Ice 12.least"
I group them into 3 Parts
Part 1. "witch collapse practice feed"
Part 2. "Shame Open Despair Creek"
Part 3. "Road Again Ice least"
Each word has an image or place, and each section will be converted into a sentence that is quite easy to hear.
So there will be a sentence that is generated from each part that shows the true meaning of the initial phrase of the restoration.
It is quite difficult, and this will depend on how strong your memory is to remember in the long run.
Because I myself use this trick to play rubik with my eyes closed for a period of about 5–10 minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci
https://www.mindtools.com/a8u1mqw/chunking
Am going to speak freely and say that some of us stopped at memorizing the names of the them, nine planets, before we knew it and while some have exhibited great prowess in memorizing great speeches and essays, it is very possible to memorize your sees phrases if you think that's the best way to keep your wallet safe and prosperous.
One of the reasons why it is recommended to keep it or etch it or write it sometimes is safer, is due to the ability of some investors and traders to own multiple wallets, both online and offline wallets for their personal benefits, otherwise, it is very possible to memorize your recovery phrases and be safer than most.
One of the reasons why it is recommended to keep it or etch it or write it sometimes is safer, is due to the ability of some investors and traders to own multiple wallets, both online and offline wallets for their personal benefits, otherwise, it is very possible to memorize your recovery phrases and be safer than most.
For me this would only make sense for a specific case of danger and for a specific period of time. Like you have to flee your country and maybe cross borders where you don't want them to find anything that could smell like bitcoin, like a HW or a paper with the seeds written on it. As a method of 'storing' the seeds for an indefinite period of time instead of having them hidden somewhere, there is too much danger of forgetting them, no matter how much memory you have.
You jot down a good case study and I agree that when you move to a nation that is not friendly with Bitcoin and cryptocurrency, you must be more careful. Like you said, trying to remember your Bitcoin or cryptocurrency wallet seed phrase is one of options.I wonder two more things.
- In such countries, do we actually need to carry our bitcoin, cryptocurrencies in? It is risky and it might be better to have local cash for using or bring your credit cards around.
- Even that nation has rumor is unfriendly but Bitcoin, cryptocurrency are not illegal there, you can bring your wallets together for using, but it should only be your hot wallet. A hot wallet with small part of your capital in either hardware wallet, in your laptop, phone or in your brain. Don't take high risk to bring your fortune around.
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For me this would only make sense for a specific case of danger and for a specific period of time. Like you have to flee your country and maybe cross borders where you don't want them to find anything that could smell like bitcoin, like a HW or a paper with the seeds written on it. As a method of 'storing' the seeds for an indefinite period of time instead of having them hidden somewhere, there is too much danger of forgetting them, no matter how much memory you have.
Absolutely right, and I only answered the question of the possibility of memorization. But if you ask me personally, I won’t even try, since there are better saving options and you don’t need to reinvent the wheel when you’ve been working well for a long time. "Best is the enemy of good."
For several years, among other things, I did the activation of some software, it was easier for me to remember the product key, but after some time of "not using" I forgot it. Maybe only my brain didn't stay at the highest level 
Certainly thinking about this way is quite ambitious, many unforeseen circumstances can happen. Except in Hollywood production of course
Of course, you can remember a phrase of twelve or twenty-four words. But how many times has our memory played cruel tricks on us? Everyone has had cases when, in a conversation, you forget a word, even the simplest word, and suddenly you can’t remember it.
In order not to forget, you should regularly check the accuracy of the seed you have memorized. So the question is, what is the point of saving such a seed if you use it often just to make sure that it is remembered?What if after some time you want to change your wallet and address for any reason? All the effort of memorizing the previous seed is no longer important and it is necessary to do everything from the beginning. Probably one of the best solutions when it comes to storing backup seed.
Absolutely right, and I only answered the question of the possibility of memorization. But if you ask me personally, I won’t even try, since there are better saving options and you don’t need to reinvent the wheel when you’ve been working well for a long time. "Best is the enemy of good."
Of course, you can remember a phrase of twelve or twenty-four words. But how many times has our memory played cruel tricks on us? Everyone has had cases when, in a conversation, you forget a word, even the simplest word, and suddenly you can’t remember it.
In order not to forget, you should regularly check the accuracy of the seed you have memorized. So the question is, what is the point of saving such a seed if you use it often just to make sure that it is remembered?What if after some time you want to change your wallet and address for any reason? All the effort of memorizing the previous seed is no longer important and it is necessary to do everything from the beginning. Probably one of the best solutions when it comes to storing backup seed.
Yeah, I agree with you!
Memorizing 12 words and not forgetting them later is a difficult task, but it is even more tricky if you no longer need that wallet, creating more wallet and not mixing both of the those 24 phrases.
It's worth noting those words on some paper and storing them somewhere safely. If you don't need that wallet anymore, for whatever reason, you can burn that paper.
Of course, you can remember a phrase of twelve or twenty-four words. But how many times has our memory played cruel tricks on us? Everyone has had cases when, in a conversation, you forget a word, even the simplest word, and suddenly you can’t remember it.
In order not to forget, you should regularly check the accuracy of the seed you have memorized. So the question is, what is the point of saving such a seed if you use it often just to make sure that it is remembered?What if after some time you want to change your wallet and address for any reason? All the effort of memorizing the previous seed is no longer important and it is necessary to do everything from the beginning. Probably one of the best solutions when it comes to storing backup seed.
Of course, you can remember a phrase of twelve or twenty-four words. But how many times has our memory played cruel tricks on us? Everyone has had cases when, in a conversation, you forget a word, even the simplest word, and suddenly you can’t remember it. I think everyone has experienced this. And this is just a case of failure that is not dangerous either to health or to anything important. But what if you get injured or strange things gradually happen to your health? (There is a user on the forum who described his condition very well.) And precisely at the moment when the phrase is necessary, our brain fails. Memory training will not help here; just accept that this can happen, so you should always have a written copy, which will be a good insurance policy for you.
Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?
Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.
Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.
Trying to memorize your seed phrases is a good one but the truth is that it could make you keep careless with the one written down which can be lost and exposed to public seights. That's due to over confidence that you have it off hand and once you've missed a word of it, then you're gone with it. So even if you can memorize it, do well take it stored somewhere either online or offline on a safe place.
Because in the end with us writing and keeping it in an ama place it indirectly makes us feel more comfortable with the assets we have in our wallet and indeed memorization can be used as our back up to be even more confident because as I said above that when there are some incidents that occur that are not expected that make us lose the seeds that we write down then we still have a backup in memory because we have memorized it well which of course this becomes an even more advantage only that memorization is flexible because it can be done and it can also not.
I definitely wouldn't do that. I don't have issues with my memory, but still, you may get 1 word wrong and lose everything.
No you won't lose everything if you only forget one single word actually because BIP39 wordlist "only" contains 2048 different words. So if only one word is missing it's not very difficult to try 2048 combinations. It's harder when at least 2 words are missing. Because it already represents 2048x2048 = 4 194 304 differents combinations, that's already beyond average human capacities. And you will need a script or a software to crack it. 
Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?
Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.
Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.
Honestly, I have been thinking about this since a long time and we already had a long discussion about this on our local board. Memorizing your recovery phrase of 12 words, that looks very easy to me in the beginning, we could memorize some music lyrics of 3 minutes and hundreds of words, why can’t we memorize just 12 words? Right, I mean it will look easy for us all, however, the truth is different when you learn about it.
First of all, the thing that will make forget the order or a word from that list is lack of repetition, since accessing to your wallet is with a password only after the first time importing or creating that wallet. Second, the words are in a random order and doesn’t have any patterns to remember neither have a meaning.
Conclusion, it is better to avoid that, risking to lose your funds forever knowing that it is easier to lose your wallet in the way of memorizing it than any other method.
Any reasonably intelligent person should be able to memorize 12 words in order, even if it takes a lot of repetition. Even 24-word seed phrases can be memorized, especially if you use some kind of artificial memory technique.
The problem is, you never know what factors are going to affect your memory as time goes on, and personally I think it's a very bad idea to keep a seed phrase (or even worse, multiple ones) in your head and not written down anywhere. Yeah, you might be a brainiac and have total confidence in your cognitive skills....but you just never know what could happen to your funds if, say, you should suffer a traumatic brain injury or the like. If you want to test it with a small amount of funds, I think that's a neat idea but in general there's way too much risk involved.
The problem is, you never know what factors are going to affect your memory as time goes on, and personally I think it's a very bad idea to keep a seed phrase (or even worse, multiple ones) in your head and not written down anywhere. Yeah, you might be a brainiac and have total confidence in your cognitive skills....but you just never know what could happen to your funds if, say, you should suffer a traumatic brain injury or the like. If you want to test it with a small amount of funds, I think that's a neat idea but in general there's way too much risk involved.
I definitely wouldn't do that. I don't have issues with my memory, but still, you may get 1 word wrong and lose everything.
Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?
Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.
Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.
The benefit is that you won't need to look for your seed phrase when you want to add your wallet in a wallet software when you know your seed phrase isn't easily accessible, and I don't see any possible setbacks for this as long as you are also saving the seed phrase somewhere safe because as said by other members, you can't trust your mind all the time. After all, humans tend to forget stuff at times.
So if my seed phrase is easy and I know I can memorize it somehow, I wouldn't mind doing that if it isn't going to take a lot of my time unnecessarily because it's not something essential since you are usually supposed to keep your seed phrase written and keep it somewhere very safe but it's just an additional thing that you can do.
Just remembered that I have written the recovery seed phrase of my Electrum on a piece of paper somewhere in my place. I'm wondering what could go wrong since my place isn't too secured. How about trying to memorize it? Is it possible?
Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.
You can do it if you can but what I see is that you only add a burden into your life and memory as it was not the only thing you are thinking with. Why make yourself too easy like putting it in a safe place, somewhere where you believe nothing could see it aside from you? I could not dare to do that nor imagine that for the sake of giving safety to my wallet, I need to memorize them. Let us assume that you have made it now but are not sure after a few days if it is still in your mind or have forgotten some of it unless that is the only thing you do all day and every day. Would you try?
What are the benefits? ... and the setbacks.
I never see any benefits of doing it really as that even makes things worse and possible that you will never access your wallet anymore.
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