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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 05, 2024, 06:51:57 AM

And so Alvarez responded to his former manager, Oscar Dela Hoya,

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Alvarez, speaking to the Los Angeles Times En Español YouTube channel, didn’t pull punches when weighing his former promoter’s prediction.

“I think it’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in my life, and that’s what Oscar is,” Alvarez said, according to the channel’s closed-caption translation.

“Oscar relies on nothing more than saying stupid things, and that’s why people pay attention to him. But in his company, he does nothing more than say stupid things. That’s all he does. That’s all he knows how to do.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-on-oscar-de-la-hoya-saying-stupid-things-all-he-knows--182627

Canelo Alvarez is responding about Oscar's comment that he can beat Alvarez if they fought in their primes. But I don't know if he can do it, I mean Dela Hoya when he moves up from 154 lbs to middle weight doesn't look good. So who knows how this proverbial fight will end.

I agree with Canelo in saying that Oscar is stupid, old fighters are always comparing their prime to beat the new generation of fighters the fact is we don't know if Oscar can beat Canelo, in what he says his best skills because Canelo has fought boxers with greater skill and power than Oscar.
He is delusional in saying that it's easy to beat Canelo in his prime when so many great fighters have a hard time beating Canelo.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 05, 2024, 06:51:57 AM

And so Alvarez responded to his former manager, Oscar Dela Hoya,

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Alvarez, speaking to the Los Angeles Times En Español YouTube channel, didn’t pull punches when weighing his former promoter’s prediction.

“I think it’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in my life, and that’s what Oscar is,” Alvarez said, according to the channel’s closed-caption translation.

“Oscar relies on nothing more than saying stupid things, and that’s why people pay attention to him. But in his company, he does nothing more than say stupid things. That’s all he does. That’s all he knows how to do.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-on-oscar-de-la-hoya-saying-stupid-things-all-he-knows--182627

Canelo Alvarez is responding about Oscar's comment that he can beat Alvarez if they fought in their primes. But I don't know if he can do it, I mean Dela Hoya when he moves up from 154 lbs to middle weight doesn't look good. So who knows how this proverbial fight will end.

That's Canelo call it stupid because Oscar is saying something that he isn't sure of. What he believe is different from what people or Canelo believe, so he should have shut his mouth up.. Here is the thing, if He and Pacman did not fight, people would think that he will easily beat Pacman because during the fight Oscar was the heavy favorite but it turns out it was a one sided fight.

Oscar just trying to make noise again, well, what can we expect from him, he is a promoter so he wanted to be in the news to stay popular.

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And so Alvarez responded to his former manager, Oscar Dela Hoya,

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Alvarez, speaking to the Los Angeles Times En Español YouTube channel, didn’t pull punches when weighing his former promoter’s prediction.

“I think it’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in my life, and that’s what Oscar is,” Alvarez said, according to the channel’s closed-caption translation.

“Oscar relies on nothing more than saying stupid things, and that’s why people pay attention to him. But in his company, he does nothing more than say stupid things. That’s all he does. That’s all he knows how to do.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-on-oscar-de-la-hoya-saying-stupid-things-all-he-knows--182627

Canelo Alvarez is responding about Oscar's comment that he can beat Alvarez if they fought in their primes. But I don't know if he can do it, I mean Dela Hoya when he moves up from 154 lbs to middle weight doesn't look good. So who knows how this proverbial fight will end.

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Quote from: rodskee on March 27, 2024, 03:53:55 AM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on March 07, 2024, 08:30:39 AM

Munguia will be KO. Looks like he doesn't even know what he got himself into. Canelo chooses his next victim since he's been fighting the fight when he wants to give ground to his opponent, he does it; when the opponent messes with him by talking too much, that's when he acts. I feel like Munguia will be knocked out if he says bad things before the fight. By the way, do you think Canelo will fight David Benavidez in the future?

have this same look in this match , maybe Munguia knows what he is entering here and that is to at least have a name even if this is an obvious suicide or being a boxer he still believes in One Punch luck Grin

and also wondering if how many bettors will end with Munguia? surely I am not gonna be the one.

There are young gamblers that who want to risk everything on the line. This is one of a lifetime shot for Jaime Munguia and I think this is his dream fight. It could be considered as a suicide, but if he is going to earn his biggest paycheck, then I doubt that he will ever consider it.

There are bettors who bet on the live underdog, and sometimes it's going to be a hit or miss, but if these bettors are willing to take then they will like what they are seeing in the odds for Jaime Munguia.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 27, 2024, 05:22:30 AM

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on March 07, 2024, 08:30:39 AM

Munguia will be KO. Looks like he doesn't even know what he got himself into. Canelo chooses his next victim since he's been fighting the fight when he wants to give ground to his opponent, he does it; when the opponent messes with him by talking too much, that's when he acts. I feel like Munguia will be knocked out if he says bad things before the fight. By the way, do you think Canelo will fight David Benavidez in the future?

have this same look in this match , maybe Munguia knows what he is entering here and that is to at least have a name even if this is an obvious suicide or being a boxer he still believes in One Punch luck Grin

and also wondering if how many bettors will end with Munguia? surely I am not gonna be the one.

Most fighters will take the risk even at catchweights and late noticed when it is a bigger opportunity. Canelo I guess remains as the biggest name in boxing so Mungia win or lose will earn millions here and most likely the biggest in his career.

He is still considered as the cash cow, and will be in the next 2 years until Munguia will beat him in this fight and inflict more damage in the rematch (they have rematch clause and that is good).

Quote from: inthelongrun on March 27, 2024, 05:22:30 AM

I am thinking of putting a small bet on Mungia. But I am more willing to bet especially here thru p2p that Mungia won't get KO'd by Canelo. I haven't seen the books yet in this fight except for someone posting here that Mungia is a huge underdog. So maybe someone confident enough that Canelo will KO Mungia is willing to take my bet. 50/50. Grin

Why not, I'm also thinking of having Munguia here, maybe ML or by decision. It's to tempting not too and who knows, maybe Canelos is really way past his prime and fighting a young hungry lion, might be enough for Munguia to pull the biggest upset of the year.

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Quote from: rodskee on March 27, 2024, 03:53:55 AM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on March 07, 2024, 08:30:39 AM

Munguia will be KO. Looks like he doesn't even know what he got himself into. Canelo chooses his next victim since he's been fighting the fight when he wants to give ground to his opponent, he does it; when the opponent messes with him by talking too much, that's when he acts. I feel like Munguia will be knocked out if he says bad things before the fight. By the way, do you think Canelo will fight David Benavidez in the future?

have this same look in this match , maybe Munguia knows what he is entering here and that is to at least have a name even if this is an obvious suicide or being a boxer he still believes in One Punch luck Grin

and also wondering if how many bettors will end with Munguia? surely I am not gonna be the one.

Most fighters will take the risk even at catchweights and late noticed when it is a bigger opportunity. Canelo I guess remains as the biggest name in boxing so Mungia win or lose will earn millions here and most likely the biggest in his career.

I am thinking of putting a small bet on Mungia. But I am more willing to bet especially here thru p2p that Mungia won't get KO'd by Canelo. I haven't seen the books yet in this fight except for someone posting here that Mungia is a huge underdog. So maybe someone confident enough that Canelo will KO Mungia is willing to take my bet. 50/50. Grin

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on March 07, 2024, 08:30:39 AM

Munguia will be KO. Looks like he doesn't even know what he got himself into. Canelo chooses his next victim since he's been fighting the fight when he wants to give ground to his opponent, he does it; when the opponent messes with him by talking too much, that's when he acts. I feel like Munguia will be knocked out if he says bad things before the fight. By the way, do you think Canelo will fight David Benavidez in the future?

have this same look in this match , maybe Munguia knows what he is entering here and that is to at least have a name even if this is an obvious suicide or being a boxer he still believes in One Punch luck Grin

and also wondering if how many bettors will end with Munguia? surely I am not gonna be the one.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 26, 2024, 09:06:42 AM

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I see a lot of you confuse Jermall Charlo and Jermell Charlo Cheesy

They are two brothers. First one is undefeated, other one is after a few years pause and fought Canelo. Please stop confusing it, as they arent identical boxers.

Undefeated Jermall is what Canelo wants but PBC wanted Benavidez. They settled in the middle and ended up with Jaime Mungia of GBP. Both twins are somewhat inactive although Mall had a tune up last year.

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To add fuel to the fire, here is the fame trainer, Teddy Atlas opinion on Canelo Alvarez.

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“If he ever wants to be able to have that argument, he has to fight Benavidez,” Atlas added. “Forget about being the greatest Mexican of all-time, if you don’t fight Benavidez, you’re not the greatest 168lbs fighter of all time. You’re not the greatest super middleweight. You want to say you’re the best super middleweight in the world right now? Then you’ve got to fight Benavidez.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/atlas-argues-canelo-fight-benavidez-rated-best-super-middleweight--182355

Probably he has a point, although his thoughts are old school, Canelo's legacy is going to be hit if he retires and didn't face David Benavidez. It is like there will be a question mark on his legacy.

Canelo will surely get into the hall of fame but there are too many asterisks on his record that will affect how highly he is regarded. Canelo has always been an opportunist who always sought to have an advantage over his opponent through catchweights, rehydration clauses, aging fighters out, and cherry picking soft opponents. When he could have fought Golovkin in his prime he waited it out until he thought GGG was old enough, and even then the first two fights had questionable decisions. Now he is trying to wait out Benavidez when it is the most logical matchup that can be made. He has fought Ryder and Charlo instead who were not anywhere near Benavidez’ level.

Imposing all these disadvantages on your opponents to the degree that Canelo has done so would have been unheard of in the eras of Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson.

And Canelo being an opportunist and issues in the past will be more remembered than Benavidez decades from now. Canelo became a middleweight champ from old Miguel Cotto, defended it at catchweight and then shamefully gave it up because he does not want to fight a prime GGG. He then fought a mid to late 30s GGG. He also exploited Kovalev to become a champ at 175, not giving the Russian time to rest from his previous fight.

But I guess Canelo just copied the Mayweather way but a little riskier since he is fighting the bigger guys in the higher divisions. Canelo with or without Benavidez is already a sure first ballot in the Hall of Fame. Benavidez has to become champion again, unify the belts and enters the Hall of Fame if he wants to be remembered.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 25, 2024, 03:38:52 PM

To add fuel to the fire, here is the fame trainer, Teddy Atlas opinion on Canelo Alvarez.

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“If he ever wants to be able to have that argument, he has to fight Benavidez,” Atlas added. “Forget about being the greatest Mexican of all-time, if you don’t fight Benavidez, you’re not the greatest 168lbs fighter of all time. You’re not the greatest super middleweight. You want to say you’re the best super middleweight in the world right now? Then you’ve got to fight Benavidez.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/atlas-argues-canelo-fight-benavidez-rated-best-super-middleweight--182355

Probably he has a point, although his thoughts are old school, Canelo's legacy is going to be hit if he retires and didn't face David Benavidez. It is like there will be a question mark on his legacy.

Canelo will surely get into the hall of fame but there are too many asterisks on his record that will affect how highly he is regarded. Canelo has always been an opportunist who always sought to have an advantage over his opponent through catchweights, rehydration clauses, aging fighters out, and cherry picking soft opponents. When he could have fought Golovkin in his prime he waited it out until he thought GGG was old enough, and even then the first two fights had questionable decisions. Now he is trying to wait out Benavidez when it is the most logical matchup that can be made. He has fought Ryder and Charlo instead who were not anywhere near Benavidez’ level.

Imposing all these disadvantages on your opponents to the degree that Canelo has done so would have been unheard of in the eras of Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on March 26, 2024, 01:40:38 PM

My prediction for this one is: Canelo Alvarez By Decision

I was looking at the odds in different sites, but the fight isn't there yet, i feel like Canelo will be the underdog on this fight, maybe with a x1.2 on his win, but is just speculation. I don't think Canelo will KO Jaime because he is a tough fighter, but we know how random are these fighting sports, one good shot and is all over. So, let's be patient and wait for the odds on this one.

No, Canelo is a huge favorite if you look at Stake odds, Munguia, 4.80, Canelo, 1.16. And if you are looking for Canelo by decision, the odd is 1.74. Still decent though, anything that is above 1.7 is a good bet at least for me. But let's see, maybe there will be changes in the odd. But for the fans of Jaime, ML is already very attractive. Munguia by KO is a huge 12.00. But I doubt that he can accomplished knowing that Canelo has a solid chin, but if you can throw some money on it, not that bad as well. For sure everyone us here is looking for this fight and going to bet specially that boxing fans might see Munguia as a live underdog here.

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My prediction for this one is: Canelo Alvarez By Decision

I was looking at the odds in different sites, but the fight isn't there yet, i feel like Canelo will be the underdog on this fight, maybe with a x1.2 on his win, but is just speculation. I don't think Canelo will KO Jaime because he is a tough fighter, but we know how random are these fighting sports, one good shot and is all over. So, let's be patient and wait for the odds on this one.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 25, 2024, 03:38:52 PM

Probably he has a point, although his thoughts are old school, Canelo's legacy is going to be hit if he retires and didn't face David Benavidez. It is like there will be a question mark on his legacy.

The worst thing that could happen to a fighter when he retires and claims to be a great fighter is the ducking issue, there is no fighter close to Benavidez that could harm his legacy when he retires, he will have to be comfortable or try to be comfortable when asked about Benavidez.

Benavidez will keep on bragging that Canelo ducks him in his time, for Canelo to avoid this he should negotiate to deal with him in the future because no more fighter in his division blocks his way to greatness but Benavidez.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 26, 2024, 04:27:59 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on March 25, 2024, 05:15:29 AM

Bookies disagree with you and leave Munguia almost no chances Cheesy

Canelo is a huge favourite with 1.15 Cheesy

Why do you think Canelo would suffer a brutal beating? Have you ever seen him not in top condition? Maybe ever seen him fighting "average"? His two losses are against top Mayweather while he was still young, and got declassed by a champ of other weight class. Dont judge Canelos form by victory over Jermell Charlo, as it was sort of an obligatory fight under his contract, and he taken Jermell instead of Jermall Charlo.

I did not expect the odds to be that low. I thought Canelo will be around 1.40 or more. That's a huge disrespect to De La Hoya's boy. But I see Mungia as more difficult than Jermall.

I just think that the only way Mungia win is by knockout or by brutal beating. Canelo has a tough chin so if an upset happens he eats a lot of those powerful punches. But of course Canelo is the favorite. He will fight smart here and will not go for a knockout. Hopefully, Canelo gets beaten again and a knockout is much better. Cheesy

And even if Canelo gets a huge beating, judges would still give him a victory. Because it is profitable for promotion for Canelo to win. Sponsor contracts and etc are on Canelos side, not in Mungia. Or if we make it simple, Canelo is more popular and his name would sell boxing more than Mungia. Anyway, I am gonna cheer for Mungia. Canelo needs to restart his career and I feel like he is loosing motivation or interest to fight against middleweights Cheesy

I see a lot of you confuse Jermall Charlo and Jermell Charlo Cheesy

They are two brothers. First one is undefeated, other one is after a few years pause and fought Canelo. Please stop confusing it, as they arent identical boxers.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 26, 2024, 04:27:59 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on March 25, 2024, 05:15:29 AM

Bookies disagree with you and leave Munguia almost no chances Cheesy

Canelo is a huge favourite with 1.15 Cheesy

Why do you think Canelo would suffer a brutal beating? Have you ever seen him not in top condition? Maybe ever seen him fighting "average"? His two losses are against top Mayweather while he was still young, and got declassed by a champ of other weight class. Dont judge Canelos form by victory over Jermell Charlo, as it was sort of an obligatory fight under his contract, and he taken Jermell instead of Jermall Charlo.

I did not expect the odds to be that low. I thought Canelo will be around 1.40 or more. That's a huge disrespect to De La Hoya's boy. But I see Mungia as more difficult than Jermall.

I just think that the only way Mungia win is by knockout or by brutal beating. Canelo has a tough chin so if an upset happens he eats a lot of those powerful punches. But of course Canelo is the favorite. He will fight smart here and will not go for a knockout. Hopefully, Canelo gets beaten again and a knockout is much better. Cheesy

And I think that Munguia is obviously a bigger guy, and could be walking around the super middleweight limit as compare to Charlo who has to move up in weight from 154-168 lbs to fight Canelo.

I think the odds are fair though, with the level of opposition that Munguia has face, no one get even close to Canelo's fight with GGG. And probably this is what odd makers see, but still up to Munguia to proved that they are correct at placing him almost 5:1 underdog going into this fight.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 25, 2024, 05:15:29 AM

Bookies disagree with you and leave Munguia almost no chances Cheesy

Canelo is a huge favourite with 1.15 Cheesy

Why do you think Canelo would suffer a brutal beating? Have you ever seen him not in top condition? Maybe ever seen him fighting "average"? His two losses are against top Mayweather while he was still young, and got declassed by a champ of other weight class. Dont judge Canelos form by victory over Jermell Charlo, as it was sort of an obligatory fight under his contract, and he taken Jermell instead of Jermall Charlo.

I did not expect the odds to be that low. I thought Canelo will be around 1.40 or more. That's a huge disrespect to De La Hoya's boy. But I see Mungia as more difficult than Jermall.

I just think that the only way Mungia win is by knockout or by brutal beating. Canelo has a tough chin so if an upset happens he eats a lot of those powerful punches. But of course Canelo is the favorite. He will fight smart here and will not go for a knockout. Hopefully, Canelo gets beaten again and a knockout is much better. Cheesy

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 25, 2024, 02:38:04 AM

So Canelo is facing a non-PBC fighter in what is expected as his last fight with PBC? But at least we now know who Canelo is facing this Cinco De Mayo. The tug of war between Canelo and PBC is settled in the middle. Canelo once again was able to ducked PBC's Benavidez while at the same time PBC was able to save its undefeated but inactive fighter Jermall Charlo.

I thought he already severe his ties with PBC already and that Charlo is his last fight with them? Meaning he had only 1 fight with PBC and it was supposedly 3 fight contract. And as we have said, Canelo can get away with it because he is the cash cow and they could have inserted this in his contract.

Quote from: inthelongrun on March 25, 2024, 02:38:04 AM

Mungia is still a dangerous opponent for Canelo. I won't be surprised if Canelo once again losses for the third time in his career. And Mungia is not just a jabber, he loves to mixed it up and throw power punches. Canelo if he is not in his top condition might suffer a brutal beating here.

We will see if he can pull a upset. But I'm not totally sold on the kid yet, he might be great in the coming years, but it's too early for Golden Boy to put him in the mix for a Canelo fight. But it's all business for Oscar, we might think he did it because he wants to get even with Oscar when he left him. I still speculated though that Oscar has obviously move on already and this is nothing but professional move on his new boy Jaime Munguia.

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To add fuel to the fire, here is the fame trainer, Teddy Atlas opinion on Canelo Alvarez.

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“If he ever wants to be able to have that argument, he has to fight Benavidez,” Atlas added. “Forget about being the greatest Mexican of all-time, if you don’t fight Benavidez, you’re not the greatest 168lbs fighter of all time. You’re not the greatest super middleweight. You want to say you’re the best super middleweight in the world right now? Then you’ve got to fight Benavidez.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/atlas-argues-canelo-fight-benavidez-rated-best-super-middleweight--182355

Probably he has a point, although his thoughts are old school, Canelo's legacy is going to be hit if he retires and didn't face David Benavidez. It is like there will be a question mark on his legacy.

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Canelo Alvarez keeps getting easy matches, this would be the thought of many but the truth is that he has managed to separate himself from the rest. He is now head an shoulders above is peer.
Jaime Munguia is not a poor boxers but he is in no comparison with Canelo Alvarez, some time I think most of this boxers Fighting Canelo Alvarez recently are doing it for the pay check and the match turns out to be very boring because they would not throw any exciting counter in the champ.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 25, 2024, 02:38:04 AM

So Canelo is facing a non-PBC fighter in what is expected as his last fight with PBC? But at least we now know who Canelo is facing this Cinco De Mayo. The tug of war between Canelo and PBC is settled in the middle. Canelo once again was able to ducked PBC's Benavidez while at the same time PBC was able to save its undefeated but inactive fighter Jermall Charlo.

Mungia is still a dangerous opponent for Canelo. I won't be surprised if Canelo once again losses for the third time in his career. And Mungia is not just a jabber, he loves to mixed it up and throw power punches. Canelo if he is not in his top condition might suffer a brutal beating here.

I love to see Munguia getting into the mixed with Canelo here. Maybe from the first one, similar to GGG vs Canelo in their first fight. Canelo could have lost the fight that time, but the judges save him.

As others said, Munguia is very young and very much motivated to beat his fellow Mexicans and became the next Mexican star. And it seems that Canelo is losing his fans here in the community as he clear ducks David Benavidez. But still though, Munguia could be a different fighter here.

Canelo will fight intelligently against Munguia he will not play Munguia's game, Munguia will be too excited and that's how Canelo will capitalize on Munguia being naive fighting in a championship, I already giving up the thought Munguia can beat Canelo, I just want an entertaining fight between the two.
Whoever wins the fight the Mexicans is the eventual winners here.

Canelo will continue to duck Benavidez because he is the real threat to his greatness and his status as the current face of Mexican boxing so he asks for an unimaginable amount just to fight Benavidez

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"I don't need to fight anyone. I don't need to prove anything to anybody, nothing. I remember when this happened with other people, and now it's happening with David Benavidez? But if some promoter I work with comes to me and says, 'I offer you 150 or 200 million dollars,' that would be the only reason I would fight him," he said.

Taking advantage of this, Canelo was also clear in stating that he never received an offer from Benavidez, but, in case it was given, it would only be for an incredible sum.

This is the easiest way to duck people asking for a huge amount of money, he doesn't care about legacy fights all he wants is to enjoy being on top fighting people he can easily beat.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 25, 2024, 02:38:04 AM

So Canelo is facing a non-PBC fighter in what is expected as his last fight with PBC? But at least we now know who Canelo is facing this Cinco De Mayo. The tug of war between Canelo and PBC is settled in the middle. Canelo once again was able to ducked PBC's Benavidez while at the same time PBC was able to save its undefeated but inactive fighter Jermall Charlo.

Mungia is still a dangerous opponent for Canelo. I won't be surprised if Canelo once again losses for the third time in his career. And Mungia is not just a jabber, he loves to mixed it up and throw power punches. Canelo if he is not in his top condition might suffer a brutal beating here.

I love to see Munguia getting into the mixed with Canelo here. Maybe from the first one, similar to GGG vs Canelo in their first fight. Canelo could have lost the fight that time, but the judges save him.

As others said, Munguia is very young and very much motivated to beat his fellow Mexicans and became the next Mexican star. And it seems that Canelo is losing his fans here in the community as he clear ducks David Benavidez. But still though, Munguia could be a different fighter here.

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