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Topic: Canelo Alvarez - Jaime Munguia May 4 Super Middleweight Championship - page 5. (Read 1252 times)

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My prediction for this one is: Canelo Alvarez By Decision

I was looking at the odds in different sites, but the fight isn't there yet, i feel like Canelo will be the underdog on this fight, maybe with a x1.2 on his win, but is just speculation. I don't think Canelo will KO Jaime because he is a tough fighter, but we know how random are these fighting sports, one good shot and is all over. So, let's be patient and wait for the odds on this one.
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Probably he has a point, although his thoughts are old school, Canelo's legacy is going to be hit if he retires and didn't face David Benavidez. It is like there will be a question mark on his legacy.

The worst thing that could happen to a fighter when he retires and claims to be a great fighter is the ducking issue, there is no fighter close to Benavidez that could harm his legacy when he retires, he will have to be comfortable or try to be comfortable when asked about Benavidez.

Benavidez will keep on bragging that Canelo ducks him in his time, for Canelo to avoid this he should negotiate to deal with him in the future because no more fighter in his division blocks his way to greatness but Benavidez.
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Bookies disagree with you and leave Munguia almost no chances Cheesy Canelo is a huge favourite with 1.15 Cheesy Why do you think Canelo would suffer a brutal beating? Have you ever seen him not in top condition? Maybe ever seen him fighting "average"? His two losses are against top Mayweather while he was still young, and got declassed by a champ of other weight class. Dont judge Canelos form by victory over Jermell Charlo, as it was sort of an obligatory fight under his contract, and he taken Jermell instead of Jermall Charlo.

I did not expect the odds to be that low. I thought Canelo will be around 1.40 or more. That's a huge disrespect to De La Hoya's boy. But I see Mungia as more difficult than Jermall.

I just think that the only way Mungia win is by knockout or by brutal beating. Canelo has a tough chin so if an upset happens he eats a lot of those powerful punches. But of course Canelo is the favorite. He will fight smart here and will not go for a knockout. Hopefully, Canelo gets beaten again and a knockout is much better. Cheesy

And even if Canelo gets a huge beating, judges would still give him a victory. Because it is profitable for promotion for Canelo to win. Sponsor contracts and etc are on Canelos side, not in Mungia. Or if we make it simple, Canelo is more popular and his name would sell boxing more than Mungia. Anyway, I am gonna cheer for Mungia. Canelo needs to restart his career and I feel like he is loosing motivation or interest to fight against middleweights Cheesy

I see a lot of you confuse Jermall Charlo and Jermell Charlo Cheesy They are two brothers. First one is undefeated, other one is after a few years pause and fought Canelo. Please stop confusing it, as they arent identical boxers.
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Bookies disagree with you and leave Munguia almost no chances Cheesy Canelo is a huge favourite with 1.15 Cheesy Why do you think Canelo would suffer a brutal beating? Have you ever seen him not in top condition? Maybe ever seen him fighting "average"? His two losses are against top Mayweather while he was still young, and got declassed by a champ of other weight class. Dont judge Canelos form by victory over Jermell Charlo, as it was sort of an obligatory fight under his contract, and he taken Jermell instead of Jermall Charlo.

I did not expect the odds to be that low. I thought Canelo will be around 1.40 or more. That's a huge disrespect to De La Hoya's boy. But I see Mungia as more difficult than Jermall.

I just think that the only way Mungia win is by knockout or by brutal beating. Canelo has a tough chin so if an upset happens he eats a lot of those powerful punches. But of course Canelo is the favorite. He will fight smart here and will not go for a knockout. Hopefully, Canelo gets beaten again and a knockout is much better. Cheesy

And I think that Munguia is obviously a bigger guy, and could be walking around the super middleweight limit as compare to Charlo who has to move up in weight from 154-168 lbs to fight Canelo.

I think the odds are fair though, with the level of opposition that Munguia has face, no one get even close to Canelo's fight with GGG. And probably this is what odd makers see, but still up to Munguia to proved that they are correct at placing him almost 5:1 underdog going into this fight.
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Bookies disagree with you and leave Munguia almost no chances Cheesy Canelo is a huge favourite with 1.15 Cheesy Why do you think Canelo would suffer a brutal beating? Have you ever seen him not in top condition? Maybe ever seen him fighting "average"? His two losses are against top Mayweather while he was still young, and got declassed by a champ of other weight class. Dont judge Canelos form by victory over Jermell Charlo, as it was sort of an obligatory fight under his contract, and he taken Jermell instead of Jermall Charlo.

I did not expect the odds to be that low. I thought Canelo will be around 1.40 or more. That's a huge disrespect to De La Hoya's boy. But I see Mungia as more difficult than Jermall.

I just think that the only way Mungia win is by knockout or by brutal beating. Canelo has a tough chin so if an upset happens he eats a lot of those powerful punches. But of course Canelo is the favorite. He will fight smart here and will not go for a knockout. Hopefully, Canelo gets beaten again and a knockout is much better. Cheesy
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So Canelo is facing a non-PBC fighter in what is expected as his last fight with PBC? But at least we now know who Canelo is facing this Cinco De Mayo. The tug of war between Canelo and PBC is settled in the middle. Canelo once again was able to ducked PBC's Benavidez while at the same time PBC was able to save its undefeated but inactive fighter Jermall Charlo.
I thought he already severe his ties with PBC already and that Charlo is his last fight with them? Meaning he had only 1 fight with PBC and it was supposedly 3 fight contract. And as we have said, Canelo can get away with it because he is the cash cow and they could have inserted this in his contract.

Mungia is still a dangerous opponent for Canelo. I won't be surprised if Canelo once again losses for the third time in his career. And Mungia is not just a jabber, he loves to mixed it up and throw power punches. Canelo if he is not in his top condition might suffer a brutal beating here.
We will see if he can pull a upset. But I'm not totally sold on the kid yet, he might be great in the coming years, but it's too early for Golden Boy to put him in the mix for a Canelo fight. But it's all business for Oscar, we might think he did it because he wants to get even with Oscar when he left him. I still speculated though that Oscar has obviously move on already and this is nothing but professional move on his new boy Jaime Munguia.
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To add fuel to the fire, here is the fame trainer, Teddy Atlas opinion on Canelo Alvarez.

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“If he ever wants to be able to have that argument, he has to fight Benavidez,” Atlas added. “Forget about being the greatest Mexican of all-time, if you don’t fight Benavidez, you’re not the greatest 168lbs fighter of all time. You’re not the greatest super middleweight. You want to say you’re the best super middleweight in the world right now? Then you’ve got to fight Benavidez.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/atlas-argues-canelo-fight-benavidez-rated-best-super-middleweight--182355

Probably he has a point, although his thoughts are old school, Canelo's legacy is going to be hit if he retires and didn't face David Benavidez. It is like there will be a question mark on his legacy.
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Canelo Alvarez keeps getting easy matches, this would be the thought of many but the truth is that he has managed to separate himself from the rest. He is now head an shoulders above is peer.
Jaime Munguia is not a poor boxers but he is in no comparison with Canelo Alvarez, some time I think most of this boxers Fighting Canelo Alvarez recently are doing it for the pay check and the match turns out to be very boring because they would not throw any exciting counter in the champ.
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So Canelo is facing a non-PBC fighter in what is expected as his last fight with PBC? But at least we now know who Canelo is facing this Cinco De Mayo. The tug of war between Canelo and PBC is settled in the middle. Canelo once again was able to ducked PBC's Benavidez while at the same time PBC was able to save its undefeated but inactive fighter Jermall Charlo.

Mungia is still a dangerous opponent for Canelo. I won't be surprised if Canelo once again losses for the third time in his career. And Mungia is not just a jabber, he loves to mixed it up and throw power punches. Canelo if he is not in his top condition might suffer a brutal beating here.

I love to see Munguia getting into the mixed with Canelo here. Maybe from the first one, similar to GGG vs Canelo in their first fight. Canelo could have lost the fight that time, but the judges save him.

As others said, Munguia is very young and very much motivated to beat his fellow Mexicans and became the next Mexican star. And it seems that Canelo is losing his fans here in the community as he clear ducks David Benavidez. But still though, Munguia could be a different fighter here.

Canelo will fight intelligently against Munguia he will not play Munguia's game, Munguia will be too excited and that's how Canelo will capitalize on Munguia being naive fighting in a championship, I already giving up the thought Munguia can beat Canelo, I just want an entertaining fight between the two.
Whoever wins the fight the Mexicans is the eventual winners here.

Canelo will continue to duck Benavidez because he is the real threat to his greatness and his status as the current face of Mexican boxing so he asks for an unimaginable amount just to fight Benavidez

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"I don't need to fight anyone. I don't need to prove anything to anybody, nothing. I remember when this happened with other people, and now it's happening with David Benavidez? But if some promoter I work with comes to me and says, 'I offer you 150 or 200 million dollars,' that would be the only reason I would fight him," he said.

Taking advantage of this, Canelo was also clear in stating that he never received an offer from Benavidez, but, in case it was given, it would only be for an incredible sum.

This is the easiest way to duck people asking for a huge amount of money, he doesn't care about legacy fights all he wants is to enjoy being on top fighting people he can easily beat.
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So Canelo is facing a non-PBC fighter in what is expected as his last fight with PBC? But at least we now know who Canelo is facing this Cinco De Mayo. The tug of war between Canelo and PBC is settled in the middle. Canelo once again was able to ducked PBC's Benavidez while at the same time PBC was able to save its undefeated but inactive fighter Jermall Charlo.

Mungia is still a dangerous opponent for Canelo. I won't be surprised if Canelo once again losses for the third time in his career. And Mungia is not just a jabber, he loves to mixed it up and throw power punches. Canelo if he is not in his top condition might suffer a brutal beating here.

I love to see Munguia getting into the mixed with Canelo here. Maybe from the first one, similar to GGG vs Canelo in their first fight. Canelo could have lost the fight that time, but the judges save him.

As others said, Munguia is very young and very much motivated to beat his fellow Mexicans and became the next Mexican star. And it seems that Canelo is losing his fans here in the community as he clear ducks David Benavidez. But still though, Munguia could be a different fighter here.
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Bookies disagree with you and leave Munguia almost no chances Cheesy Canelo is a huge favourite with 1.15 Cheesy Why do you think Canelo would suffer a brutal beating? Have you ever seen him not in top condition? Maybe ever seen him fighting "average"? His two losses are against top Mayweather while he was still young, and got declassed by a champ of other weight class. Dont judge Canelos form by victory over Jermell Charlo, as it was sort of an obligatory fight under his contract, and he taken Jermell instead of Jermall Charlo.
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So Canelo is facing a non-PBC fighter in what is expected as his last fight with PBC? But at least we now know who Canelo is facing this Cinco De Mayo. The tug of war between Canelo and PBC is settled in the middle. Canelo once again was able to ducked PBC's Benavidez while at the same time PBC was able to save its undefeated but inactive fighter Jermall Charlo.

Mungia is still a dangerous opponent for Canelo. I won't be surprised if Canelo once again losses for the third time in his career. And Mungia is not just a jabber, he loves to mixed it up and throw power punches. Canelo if he is not in his top condition might suffer a brutal beating here.
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No offense for all Munguia fans, but right now is undisputed king of super middleweight and middleweight division. Munguia might be really good, but a miracle must happen for him to win by decision. Munguia can win only by a knockout. Even if he knockdown Canelo, I am sure that judges will give only 8-10 in that round and Canelo will still win by decision. The best Munguia can get in such scenario is a split lose. For Canelo to lose by decision, I think this is possible only if he goes to a different weight class.


Yes, a miracle for this fight applied to Munguia's case against Canelo, you need to win overwhelming if the fight is too close the champion keeps the title, as a challenger you need to take the title away from the champion.

For Munguia to win against Canelo he needs to overwhelm and dominate the fight, as much as possible and knock Canelo out, this is a gigantic task for Munguia he knows it but Canelo will not easily give in and Canelo has never been badly hurt in any of his fights, but miracle does happen and we have seen this happen in many fights.

I'm not going to miss this fight it's a battle of determination by a young challenger against the face of Mexican boxing, so it's going to be interesting and action-packed.

We can say it that way, he need a miracle, a stroke of luck to beat Canelo on the judges scorecard. But will be difficult as we have seen the judges in close rounds will likely give the score to the challenger and that's why we have seen a lot of controversial decision. But in the end, the challenger can't do anything and perhaps will ask for a rematch. But the good news here is that there is are rematch clause, but it could only be activated if the fight is close or if Canelo losses this one. And although this is not the fight that fans wanted, Mexicans are still going to flood the gates and pay hard earn money to see their legend in the ring.
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No offense for all Munguia fans, but right now is undisputed king of super middleweight and middleweight division. Munguia might be really good, but a miracle must happen for him to win by decision. Munguia can win only by a knockout. Even if he knockdown Canelo, I am sure that judges will give only 8-10 in that round and Canelo will still win by decision. The best Munguia can get in such scenario is a split lose. For Canelo to lose by decision, I think this is possible only if he goes to a different weight class.


Yes, a miracle for this fight applied to Munguia's case against Canelo, you need to win overwhelming if the fight is too close the champion keeps the title, as a challenger you need to take the title away from the champion.

For Munguia to win against Canelo he needs to overwhelm and dominate the fight, as much as possible and knock Canelo out, this is a gigantic task for Munguia he knows it but Canelo will not easily give in and Canelo has never been badly hurt in any of his fights, but miracle does happen and we have seen this happen in many fights.

I'm not going to miss this fight it's a battle of determination by a young challenger against the face of Mexican boxing, so it's going to be interesting and action-packed.
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Lol, who is that one guy who has chosen "Jaime Munguia By Decision" ? Please stand up. Who are you? Where you under the influence of substances when you have chosen that or it was a misclick? Seriously, what was motivating you to make such a ridiculous vote? Judges would never let Munguia or any other contender win Canelo by decision. It is going to be either a lucky punch and KO, or the corrupted boxing judges will always select money making cow.

I will never choose Munguia to win by decision because between the two Canelo is the skillful fighter, but I never disregard that he can upset Canelo because Munguia is young, hungry, and aggressive if Canelo underestimates Munguia like how he underestimates Bivol and pay the price.

They both have mutual respect with each other on their first face-off and press conference, it's understandable because they are both Mexicans and they both respect their capability, it's ten days to go the Mexican boxing fans will have a grand time watching these two great Mexican fighters.

No offense for all Munguia fans, but right now is undisputed king of super middleweight and middleweight division. Munguia might be really good, but a miracle must happen for him to win by decision. Munguia can win only by a knockout. Even if he knockdown Canelo, I am sure that judges will give only 8-10 in that round and Canelo will still win by decision. The best Munguia can get in such scenario is a split lose. For Canelo to lose by decision, I think this is possible only if he goes to a different weight class.

And nobody has crack Canelo before, not even GGG which I will say that toughest fight of Canelo's career and we can argue that he lost the first fight. Although Canelo has aged since that fight and has in a lot of wars as well, but nobody come close to the punishment that GGG gave him, not even Bivol as Bivol doesn't have the power, he is just pure volume punch that Canelo can't avoid.

So yeah, maybe just a lucky punch that Canelo is not looking that might gave Munguia a chance in this fight.  Or simply Canelo is still go good and score a lopsided dominant in the judges scorecard.
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Lol, who is that one guy who has chosen "Jaime Munguia By Decision" ? Please stand up. Who are you? Where you under the influence of substances when you have chosen that or it was a misclick? Seriously, what was motivating you to make such a ridiculous vote? Judges would never let Munguia or any other contender win Canelo by decision. It is going to be either a lucky punch and KO, or the corrupted boxing judges will always select money making cow.

I will never choose Munguia to win by decision because between the two Canelo is the skillful fighter, but I never disregard that he can upset Canelo because Munguia is young, hungry, and aggressive if Canelo underestimates Munguia like how he underestimates Bivol and pay the price.

They both have mutual respect with each other on their first face-off and press conference, it's understandable because they are both Mexicans and they both respect their capability, it's ten days to go the Mexican boxing fans will have a grand time watching these two great Mexican fighters.

No offense for all Munguia fans, but right now is undisputed king of super middleweight and middleweight division. Munguia might be really good, but a miracle must happen for him to win by decision. Munguia can win only by a knockout. Even if he knockdown Canelo, I am sure that judges will give only 8-10 in that round and Canelo will still win by decision. The best Munguia can get in such scenario is a split lose. For Canelo to lose by decision, I think this is possible only if he goes to a different weight class.
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Yes, that's what Mexican are known for, total action in the ring, just like the last great Mexican boxers JCC Sr, or the JMM, MAB and EM, they all give us great fights in the ring and I think it will continue like that for the next generation of Mexican boxers.

Now both are Mexicans so we should expect no clinching but just fighting it out and see who are the best right now. It could define like the transfer of authority to Munguia as the next face of boxing if he beat Nelo hear. Or Canelo still some fire inside of him and continue to welcome anyone, Berlanga, Bivol and David Benavidez in his next fight.

Munguia's time to shine will not come to this fight, what Floyd Mayweather did against the then-young Canelo, Canelo will do the same against Munguia, Canelo is now a polished fighter who knows how to deal with Munguia's eagerness and aggressiveness, Canelo displayed when he fought Mayweather.

I expect a unanimous decision so as not to embarrass Munguia in front of the Mexicans or he will knock Mungia to show the Mexicans how a great Mexican boxer he is.
Its going to be Canelo all the way, could have been different if is Benavide
I don't think we can compare them, Canelo was not even known to American boxing fans that time when he fought Floyd. But here, Munguia is already fighting in the US, handled by Golden Boy already. So his name rings a bell already for some of us who followed as he is in the 154 lbs - 168 lbs now and has become a champion if I'm not mistaken. And I do agree with @Darker45, this is a opportunity for Munguia, so everything rest in his shoulders, whether he can take the limelight and shine or not, still up to him and not on Canelo's hand. He has control of his destiny in this fight.
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Munguia's time to shine will not come to this fight, what Floyd Mayweather did against the then-young Canelo, Canelo will do the same against Munguia, Canelo is now a polished fighter who knows how to deal with Munguia's eagerness and aggressiveness, Canelo displayed when he fought Mayweather.

I expect a unanimous decision so as not to embarrass Munguia in front of the Mexicans or he will knock Mungia to show the Mexicans how a great Mexican boxer he is.
Its going to be Canelo all the way, could have been different if is Benavide

Whether Munguia shines in this fight or not, the point is that this is his time to shine. This is his moment. This is his break. This is the biggest opportunity that has ever come in his 43 professional fights, in his entire boxing career. The Canelo team is choosing him because they belittle him. They treat him as an easy opponent. He should prove them all wrong.

It's most likely that this is going to be a Canelo fight all the way. That man isn't an undisputed champion and a legend for nothing. He's great, but Munguia should rise to his level come fight night. I will be cheering for Munguia this time. Canelo suffering defeat in the hands of Munguia seems worth it.
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Yes, that's what Mexican are known for, total action in the ring, just like the last great Mexican boxers JCC Sr, or the JMM, MAB and EM, they all give us great fights in the ring and I think it will continue like that for the next generation of Mexican boxers.

Now both are Mexicans so we should expect no clinching but just fighting it out and see who are the best right now. It could define like the transfer of authority to Munguia as the next face of boxing if he beat Nelo hear. Or Canelo still some fire inside of him and continue to welcome anyone, Berlanga, Bivol and David Benavidez in his next fight.

Munguia's time to shine will not come to this fight, what Floyd Mayweather did against the then-young Canelo, Canelo will do the same against Munguia, Canelo is now a polished fighter who knows how to deal with Munguia's eagerness and aggressiveness, Canelo displayed when he fought Mayweather.

I expect a unanimous decision so as not to embarrass Munguia in front of the Mexicans or he will knock Mungia to show the Mexicans how a great Mexican boxer he is.
Its going to be Canelo all the way, could have been different if is Benavide
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And this is the kick off press conference in LA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9AOiXOqK_c

Everything looks relax, Munguia looks very young here as compare to Canelo, Lol. But we should really expect a war here, both are Mexicans. Canelo also explains why he chooses Munguia as he said that he won't be fighting another Mexican.

Canelo is still a huge favorite but for sure, Mexicans are going to be proud of this fight in their holiday.

Never seen a Mexican fighter that is boring in the ring, it seems like that's their reputation and they will live with it, so for sure we will  witness a firepower here. However, I just a bit disappointed with how Canelo choose his opponent, because he is already at the twilight of his career, so he should be seeking big fights against an opponent that could potentially give him a 50/50 chance, not this one that he is a heavy favorite to win, but then there's nothing we can do here so let's just watch and enjoy this upcoming fight.

That's their reputation, they bring a good fight and entertain the crowd, they are similar to the Filipino boxers, that's why in the past when a mexican faced a Filipino, you can expect that it's going to be a war, but that was the time of Manny and Donaire, now that they both are retired in boxing, there's no Asians that are competing in a championship bout, expect for Inoue but this guy choose to fight in Japan.

I understand the frustration, but let's see what's next for Canelo after this... .hopefull we will see the fight that we are all anticipating.

Canelo vs Bivol could be a good rematch,, (regardless of the outcome of the fight of Bivol against Beterbiev ....)

Yes, that's what Mexican are known for, total action in the ring, just like the last great Mexican boxers JCC Sr, or the JMM, MAB and EM, they all give us great fights in the ring and I think it will continue like that for the next generation of Mexican boxers.

Now both are Mexicans so we should expect no clinching but just fighting it out and see who are the best right now. It could define like the transfer of authority to Munguia as the next face of boxing if he beat Nelo hear. Or Canelo still some fire inside of him and continue to welcome anyone, Berlanga, Bivol and David Benavidez in his next fight.
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