Canelo Alvarez - Jaime Munguia May 4 Super Middleweight Championship - page 6.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 20, 2024, 05:39:11 AM

Lol, who is that one guy who has chosen "Jaime Munguia By Decision" ? Please stand up. Who are you? Where you under the influence of substances when you have chosen that or it was a misclick? Seriously, what was motivating you to make such a ridiculous vote? Judges would never let Munguia or any other contender win Canelo by decision. It is going to be either a lucky punch and KO, or the corrupted boxing judges will always select money making cow.

I will never choose Munguia to win by decision because between the two Canelo is the skillful fighter, but I never disregard that he can upset Canelo because Munguia is young, hungry, and aggressive if Canelo underestimates Munguia like how he underestimates Bivol and pay the price.

They both have mutual respect with each other on their first face-off and press conference, it's understandable because they are both Mexicans and they both respect their capability, it's ten days to go the Mexican boxing fans will have a grand time watching these two great Mexican fighters.

Here's a video of their face-off

Canelo STEPS to Jaime Munguia in FIRST face-off at press conference!

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And this is the kick off press conference in LA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9AOiXOqK_c

Everything looks relax, Munguia looks very young here as compare to Canelo, Lol. But we should really expect a war here, both are Mexicans. Canelo also explains why he chooses Munguia as he said that he won't be fighting another Mexican.

Canelo is still a huge favorite but for sure, Mexicans are going to be proud of this fight in their holiday.

Never seen a Mexican fighter that is boring in the ring, it seems like that's their reputation and they will live with it, so for sure we will witness a firepower here. However, I just a bit disappointed with how Canelo choose his opponent, because he is already at the twilight of his career, so he should be seeking big fights against an opponent that could potentially give him a 50/50 chance, not this one that he is a heavy favorite to win, but then there's nothing we can do here so let's just watch and enjoy this upcoming fight.

That's their reputation, they bring a good fight and entertain the crowd, they are similar to the Filipino boxers, that's why in the past when a mexican faced a Filipino, you can expect that it's going to be a war, but that was the time of Manny and Donaire, now that they both are retired in boxing, there's no Asians that are competing in a championship bout, expect for Inoue but this guy choose to fight in Japan.

I understand the frustration, but let's see what's next for Canelo after this... .hopefull we will see the fight that we are all anticipating.

Canelo vs Bivol could be a good rematch,, (regardless of the outcome of the fight of Bivol against Beterbiev ....)

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 20, 2024, 05:39:11 AM

Lol, who is that one guy who has chosen "Jaime Munguia By Decision" ? Please stand up. Who are you? Where you under the influence of substances when you have chosen that or it was a misclick? Seriously, what was motivating you to make such a ridiculous vote? Judges would never let Munguia or any other contender win Canelo by decision. It is going to be either a lucky punch and KO, or the corrupted boxing judges will always select money making cow.

Lol, it wasn't me.

Yeah, the only way for anyone to beat Canelo is through a knockout as a decision win is a slim possibility or not in the book if your opponent is Canelo Alvarez. Yo be fair with Canelo, i do think that he would handle Munguia easily as he is still young to outsmart Canelo, Cinco de Mayo is a show intended for Canelo so it would be an easy win for him i think.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 20, 2024, 04:52:10 AM

And this is the kick off press conference in LA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9AOiXOqK_c

Everything looks relax, Munguia looks very young here as compare to Canelo, Lol. But we should really expect a war here, both are Mexicans. Canelo also explains why he chooses Munguia as he said that he won't be fighting another Mexican.

Canelo is still a huge favorite but for sure, Mexicans are going to be proud of this fight in their holiday.

Never seen a Mexican fighter that is boring in the ring, it seems like that's their reputation and they will live with it, so for sure we will witness a firepower here. However, I just a bit disappointed with how Canelo choose his opponent, because he is already at the twilight of his career, so he should be seeking big fights against an opponent that could potentially give him a 50/50 chance, not this one that he is a heavy favorite to win, but then there's nothing we can do here so let's just watch and enjoy this upcoming fight.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 20, 2024, 05:39:11 AM

Lol, who is that one guy who has chosen "Jaime Munguia By Decision" ? Please stand up. Who are you? Where you under the influence of substances when you have chosen that or it was a misclick? Seriously, what was motivating you to make such a ridiculous vote? Judges would never let Munguia or any other contender win Canelo by decision. It is going to be either a lucky punch and KO, or the corrupted boxing judges will always select money making cow.

, but I do agree, even in the Bivol fight wherein we see the Bivol dominated the fight from first round to the last, and yet the judges trying to look like the fight is very close and they almost robbed Bivol. But I guess they know the repercussions if they will do that in the fight, so the best they can do is a 115-113 score.

But here, it might go down in the judges card but it might be a lopsided score in favor of Canelo. And with that, if Munguia will want to win and doesn't want the judge to influence the score then he should go for the jugular knockout win, but that is very hard to accomplished as Canelo hasn't lost with that way. Even a knockdown is very hard for Munguia to do.

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Lol, who is that one guy who has chosen "Jaime Munguia By Decision" ? Please stand up. Who are you? Where you under the influence of substances when you have chosen that or it was a misclick? Seriously, what was motivating you to make such a ridiculous vote? Judges would never let Munguia or any other contender win Canelo by decision. It is going to be either a lucky punch and KO, or the corrupted boxing judges will always select money making cow.

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I was not aware the Roach is the trainer of Jaime Munguia. But in any case, it's good to see that coach Roach still get some clients who believed in him and maybe we can see Munguia and him devising a plan on how to neutralized Canelo or at least put Canelo in a defense mode.

And from what I heard, he is giving Munguia more props than maybe Benavidez that's why he chooses him despite the excuse of not fighting another Mexican. Obviously he will be the A-side here, but Munguia getting more of a experience.

It's also mentioned that there is a rematch clause here.

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And this is the kick off press conference in LA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9AOiXOqK_c

Everything looks relax, Munguia looks very young here as compare to Canelo, Lol. But we should really expect a war here, both are Mexicans. Canelo also explains why he chooses Munguia as he said that he won't be fighting another Mexican.

Canelo is still a huge favorite but for sure, Mexicans are going to be proud of this fight in their holiday.

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Quote from: Viscore on March 17, 2024, 09:51:23 AM

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This is just my ignorant opinion. Munguia can learn a lot from Canelo's defeat in the hands of Bivol. Munguia is much younger than Bivol when the latter defeated Canelo, so I believe he can perform better.

He's got exactly the same height and reach as Bivol, so that advantage is already there. He could very well make use of them to frustrate an aggressive Canelo. Jabs and a powerful punch every once in a while could keep the distance. Canelo has to come close. Munguia should make sure he doesn't allow this.

Also, once frustrated in chasing him, Canelo might bait Munguia to let him come in. That's what he should avoid. Munguia should make sure his style prevails all throughout the fight.

This is not an ignorant opinion and it's actually a good observation because of how you can beat a great fighter like Canelo of course by checking his weaknesses and those weaknesses can only be seen in fights where he loses the bouts and two fighters have done that, Floyd Mayweather and Bivol.

Canelo loses to these two fighters because of their good counterpunching ability, they exploit Canelo's offense, so Munguia needs to be a good defensive boxer and do a lot of counterpunching and don't go chasing Canelo to score a knockout, Munguia loves to attack something that may not work against Canelo.

I think Bookies knows better. The odds is 5:1, that tells Canelo is heavily favored and he will likely win the fight. During Canelo's fight with Bivol, he was only a slight favorite, but this one, bookies are pretty sure that Canelo will prevail as the winner. I haven't seen Canelo was upset in the past in odds like this, so I would not take chances betting for Munguia although the odds are very attractive, instead I'll stick with the real analysis that Canelo will win, question is what round will it end?

I think that's just about right now, I mean they have their own metrics to come up with this odds and 90% of it they are correct, as list picking who should be the favorite and who should be the underdog.

But there is this 10% that the underdog might win, that's how any sports it, very unpredictable specially in this sports wherein just a single punch will change everything and we have seen so many upsets before. Canelo might learn for his Bivol lost and not get their and think that he has the advantage. He should go there and look for a knockout.

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Quote from: Viscore on March 17, 2024, 09:51:23 AM

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I think Bookies knows better. The odds is 5:1, that tells Canelo is heavily favored and he will likely win the fight. During Canelo's fight with Bivol, he was only a slight favorite, but this one, bookies are pretty sure that Canelo will prevail as the winner. I haven't seen Canelo was upset in the past in odds like this, so I would not take chances betting for Munguia although the odds are very attractive, instead I'll stick with the real analysis that Canelo will win, question is what round will it end?

I'm sure you don't just look at the odds and decide which player to bet on.

When Canelo faced Bivol, he wasn't just a slight favorite. He was a heavy favorite. He was -500. That's 1.2. Those are exactly the same odds that are released now insofar as his fight against Munguia is concerned. So, as far as the bookies are concerned, they had the same level of prediction as to Canelo's winning probability against both Bivol and Munguia.

I might risk a little for an upset.

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Quote from: Darker45 on March 17, 2024, 06:17:05 AM

This is just my ignorant opinion. Munguia can learn a lot from Canelo's defeat in the hands of Bivol. Munguia is much younger than Bivol when the latter defeated Canelo, so I believe he can perform better.

He's got exactly the same height and reach as Bivol, so that advantage is already there. He could very well make use of them to frustrate an aggressive Canelo. Jabs and a powerful punch every once in a while could keep the distance. Canelo has to come close. Munguia should make sure he doesn't allow this.

Also, once frustrated in chasing him, Canelo might bait Munguia to let him come in. That's what he should avoid. Munguia should make sure his style prevails all throughout the fight.

This is not an ignorant opinion and it's actually a good observation because of how you can beat a great fighter like Canelo of course by checking his weaknesses and those weaknesses can only be seen in fights where he loses the bouts and two fighters have done that, Floyd Mayweather and Bivol.

Canelo loses to these two fighters because of their good counterpunching ability, they exploit Canelo's offense, so Munguia needs to be a good defensive boxer and do a lot of counterpunching and don't go chasing Canelo to score a knockout, Munguia loves to attack something that may not work against Canelo.

I think Bookies knows better. The odds is 5:1, that tells Canelo is heavily favored and he will likely win the fight. During Canelo's fight with Bivol, he was only a slight favorite, but this one, bookies are pretty sure that Canelo will prevail as the winner. I haven't seen Canelo was upset in the past in odds like this, so I would not take chances betting for Munguia although the odds are very attractive, instead I'll stick with the real analysis that Canelo will win, question is what round will it end?

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Quote from: Darker45 on March 17, 2024, 06:17:05 AM

This is just my ignorant opinion. Munguia can learn a lot from Canelo's defeat in the hands of Bivol. Munguia is much younger than Bivol when the latter defeated Canelo, so I believe he can perform better.

He's got exactly the same height and reach as Bivol, so that advantage is already there. He could very well make use of them to frustrate an aggressive Canelo. Jabs and a powerful punch every once in a while could keep the distance. Canelo has to come close. Munguia should make sure he doesn't allow this.

Also, once frustrated in chasing him, Canelo might bait Munguia to let him come in. That's what he should avoid. Munguia should make sure his style prevails all throughout the fight.

This is not an ignorant opinion and it's actually a good observation because of how you can beat a great fighter like Canelo of course by checking his weaknesses and those weaknesses can only be seen in fights where he loses the bouts and two fighters have done that, Floyd Mayweather and Bivol.

Canelo loses to these two fighters because of their good counterpunching ability, they exploit Canelo's offense, so Munguia needs to be a good defensive boxer and do a lot of counterpunching and don't go chasing Canelo to score a knockout, Munguia loves to attack something that may not work against Canelo.

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I think the last time I saw Munguia fight was when he was an undercard in Canelo's fight. He was a young boxer who seemed innocent yet brutal. He was a rising star. And then I've forgotten about him. I'm now surprised he's now 43-0 and not yet making a huge name. Perhaps because he doesn't have a loud mouth?

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Only 1 voted for Munguia though, not surprise, and also as there's no change in the odds, Munguia still 5:1. So maybe we should discuss what strategy Munguia or what plans him and his team should employ here. Canelo is known to be a slow starter, so he should take advantage of it. And the blue print is there already, Bivol beat him with volume and not allowing Canelo to settle in his comfort zone.

This is just my ignorant opinion. Munguia can learn a lot from Canelo's defeat in the hands of Bivol. Munguia is much younger than Bivol when the latter defeated Canelo, so I believe he can perform better.

He's got exactly the same height and reach as Bivol, so that advantage is already there. He could very well make use of them to frustrate an aggressive Canelo. Jabs and a powerful punch every once in a while could keep the distance. Canelo has to come close. Munguia should make sure he doesn't allow this.

Also, once frustrated in chasing him, Canelo might bait Munguia to let him come in. That's what he should avoid. Munguia should make sure his style prevails all throughout the fight.

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Quote from: Darker45 on March 12, 2024, 07:07:11 PM

I think the last time I saw Munguia fight was when he was an undercard in Canelo's fight. He was a young boxer who seemed innocent yet brutal. He was a rising star. And then I've forgotten about him. I'm now surprised he's now 43-0 and not yet making a huge name. Perhaps because he doesn't have a loud mouth?

That means that you haven't been keeping up boxing for a really long time and I'm a bit different because I only watch the main events so I don't know a lot about Munguia but a 43-0 record is no laughing matter, as much as I like to bet on Canelo because he's a really good fighter though, I feel like that undefeated record isn't going to be stained by lose anytime soon. I don't know much about Munguia, if he's a knockout artist then he'll probably be able to find a win against Canelo but I know Canelo and he's more experienced in my opinion compared to Munguia, so it's probably power and experience that's going to be a clashing factor between the two.

We only have 9 voters in our poll but it reflects the discrepancy when it comes to reputation, Munguia has 43-0 but Liam Smith and Sergiy Derevyanchenko are the only popular fighters he has fought, on Sergiy Derevyanchenko he struggled to beat him, even though he has that very good record it's the lack of good opposition in the past that will haunt Munguia when he faced Canelo.

I know Canelo can beat this young guy but Munguia can pull an upset he has the youth and determination to be the new face of Mexico, and this is a very good matchup not only for the Mexicans but also for the boxing community as well.

Canelo Alvarez By KO   - 3 (33.3%)
Canelo Alvarez By Decision   - 5 (55.6%)
Jaime Munguia By KO   - 0 (0%)
Jaime Munguia By Decision   - 1 (11.1%)
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Yes, it's his lack of experience, but that's the only disadvantage of Munguia. Sooner or later though, a young and rising star will have to test himself if he has it to become the next Mexican star or he will be just a regular boxer, being painted by Golden Boy to be the next hype and face of the boxing. So he has that chance against the now old Canelo, I think Canelo has a lot of wear-and-tear already and maybe that's one reason why he doesn't want Benavidez. And they think that Munguia is the easiest fight for him.

Only 1 voted for Munguia though, not surprise, and also as there's no change in the odds, Munguia still 5:1. So maybe we should discuss what strategy Munguia or what plans him and his team should employ here. Canelo is known to be a slow starter, so he should take advantage of it. And the blue print is there already, Bivol beat him with volume and not allowing Canelo to settle in his comfort zone.

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Quote from: pinggoki on March 16, 2024, 05:00:16 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on March 12, 2024, 07:07:11 PM

I think the last time I saw Munguia fight was when he was an undercard in Canelo's fight. He was a young boxer who seemed innocent yet brutal. He was a rising star. And then I've forgotten about him. I'm now surprised he's now 43-0 and not yet making a huge name. Perhaps because he doesn't have a loud mouth?

That means that you haven't been keeping up boxing for a really long time and I'm a bit different because I only watch the main events so I don't know a lot about Munguia but a 43-0 record is no laughing matter, as much as I like to bet on Canelo because he's a really good fighter though, I feel like that undefeated record isn't going to be stained by lose anytime soon. I don't know much about Munguia, if he's a knockout artist then he'll probably be able to find a win against Canelo but I know Canelo and he's more experienced in my opinion compared to Munguia, so it's probably power and experience that's going to be a clashing factor between the two.

We only have 9 voters in our poll but it reflects the discrepancy when it comes to reputation, Munguia has 43-0 but Liam Smith and Sergiy Derevyanchenko are the only popular fighters he has fought, on Sergiy Derevyanchenko he struggled to beat him, even though he has that very good record it's the lack of good opposition in the past that will haunt Munguia when he faced Canelo.

I know Canelo can beat this young guy but Munguia can pull an upset he has the youth and determination to be the new face of Mexico, and this is a very good matchup not only for the Mexicans but also for the boxing community as well.

Canelo Alvarez By KO   - 3 (33.3%)
Canelo Alvarez By Decision   - 5 (55.6%)
Jaime Munguia By KO   - 0 (0%)
Jaime Munguia By Decision   - 1 (11.1%)
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Quote from: Darker45 on March 12, 2024, 07:07:11 PM

I think the last time I saw Munguia fight was when he was an undercard in Canelo's fight. He was a young boxer who seemed innocent yet brutal. He was a rising star. And then I've forgotten about him. I'm now surprised he's now 43-0 and not yet making a huge name. Perhaps because he doesn't have a loud mouth?

That means that you haven't been keeping up boxing for a really long time and I'm a bit different because I only watch the main events so I don't know a lot about Munguia but a 43-0 record is no laughing matter, as much as I like to bet on Canelo because he's a really good fighter though, I feel like that undefeated record isn't going to be stained by lose anytime soon. I don't know much about Munguia, if he's a knockout artist then he'll probably be able to find a win against Canelo but I know Canelo and he's more experienced in my opinion compared to Munguia, so it's probably power and experience that's going to be a clashing factor between the two.

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Quote from: Yogee on March 12, 2024, 07:27:30 PM

Canelo by decision is my vote on the poll. Munguia may be the one with lesser experience but I doubt Canelo would have it easy. This fight could be closer than what people are expecting. I hope Munguia's team would prepare his body for 12 rounds and not rush for a KO.

This is Munguia's biggest fight so far, so just imagine what is going on in his mind when the fight was finally official and having that opportunity to fight Canelo and maybe pull an upset? And there is also that storyline that Oscar Dela Hoya wanted this fight for so long because he wants to get his revenge because Canelo left him.

So perhaps Oscar had that in mind and so he put and developed Munguia and now it's time for him to showcase his talent and tools and if he has it to break Canelo whether by knockout or a brutal 12 rounder fight.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on March 12, 2024, 06:17:02 PM

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It's all for the money or how much Canelo will generated in his next 3 fights. So if he can take less risk and still make a ton of money, then that will be the fight that he will choose. Like in this case, as much as they want to picture that Jaime Munguia has a chance, Canelo will just break down this kid or even knock him out for good.

Yes, I do agree with the hypocrisy, but this in this sports, they put their life in the line and so they will look for fight that will make them money obviously and even if Canelo talks about cementing his legacy, he is not looking for it in his next couple of fights in my opinion.

Don't get too confident on this one because Jaime has a very good boxing record as well. An upset is always possible especially if the favourite one is laid back with his training. If Munguia will push himself to train harder, it won't be a surprise if he get an upset victory on this one.

Munguia has a record of 43-0, with 34 wins via knockout, even Canelo should not take this for granted. He has the youth and the ambition to be one of the superstars in boxing. So Canelo should also be prepared for this fight as Munguia is already aiming for him long time ago.

I'm backing it up with numbers though, Munguia hasn't face the likes of Canelo though, and if you look at the odds as someone posted it, Munguia is a big underdog at 5:1. So odd makers knows that Canelo has all the advantage although in paper it looks like the young fighter is motivated, hungry and has the tools to beat Canelo.

Of course, just a single punch will change the complexion of the month, but the pressure will be on Munguia to show what he got as he has been calling Canelo for the longest (everyone does at super middleweight, besides being the champion, Canelo is a sweepstakes for this young fighter).

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Quote from: Yogee on March 12, 2024, 07:27:30 PM

Canelo by decision is my vote on the poll. Munguia may be the one with lesser experience but I doubt Canelo would have it easy. This fight could be closer than what people are expecting. I hope Munguia's team would prepare his body for 12 rounds and not rush for a KO.

Every boxer though looks for a knockout win, if presented. Munguia is big and have the power, but we haven't seen anyone crack Canelo's solid chin, maybe if Canelo becomes too old overnight in this fight then Munguia might have a better chance. If not then they will have a plan B, go and punish Canelo for a brutal 12 rounds, that is if he can also withstand Canelo's attack. And checking at the latest odd, not surprised to see the the young Munguia is 5:1 underdog. Consolation here is that Jaime will received his biggest paycheck in his career against the cash cow Canelo.

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Canelo by decision is my vote on the poll. Munguia may be the one with lesser experience but I doubt Canelo would have it easy. This fight could be closer than what people are expecting. I hope Munguia's team would prepare his body for 12 rounds and not rush for a KO.

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