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Topic: Capitalism, why does it ignore the farmer? - page 2. (Read 3077 times)

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You have choose most of capitalism,but for me stil parliamentary form of governments,this is what most of the free country wants.in this people are always favorable than losing.many of us i know can relate to what i wanted.

Everybody is part of this , we all want stuff for the cheapest prices.
And if we can't get it we will get it overseas for a cheaper price , so people have to be willing to buy stuff locally.
But this are not only for product,but for some government favor too
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.
It is not simple as you think.  Sometimes people find it more expensive buying their local products than those imported products.  Aside from that, there are lots of corrupt officials that make this stuff impossible.  Implementing high taxes and fees for small businessman and prioritizing bigger company.  This kind of approach sucked the small investors and entrpreneurs dry and unable to compete in the market in national level.
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People should do what they want, not what you want, or any party or "glorious" leader. Trade created our world. As a certain P. N Whitehead said, men have resolved their differences through two means: force or commerce.

While I agree with most of your post, this cite is a bit over-simplified. There are decision-making techniques that are not based neither on force nor on commerce - for example, voting, discussing, etc. Commerce can also include force, e.g. if one party is structurally weaker and the other one abuses that. There's not only black and white.

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Socialism has concepts which are sheer nonsense but which for some reason are very catchy at first glance. Like democratic control of the means of production. Let's say I start a firm and devote my time and money in developing a product which becomes a success and can't keep up with contracts.[...]
Yep. Incentiving real innovation is a largely unsolved problem in socialist theories based on democratic control of production. In state socialism ("real existing socialism") there may be incentives to work hard (so you step up in the "socialist pyramid"), but you always work inside the "planning schemes" rolled out by the ruling class. There may be some limited innovation incentives like prizes for scientists. But innovation always needs the "approval" of your work by somebody who is in a superior part of the pyramid, or - in the "anarcho-socialist" variants - of a majority of the group with those who work with you. So lots of innovation potential gets lost, and these systems will tend to have less innovation - and thus, a less effective productive system.

Everybody that wants to talk about an alternative to capitalism must solve that problem: There must be an incentive to innovate that is equal or higher than in capitalism. I don't think it's impossible - capitalism is also an "invention" so a better system surely can be invented - but it's a really hard challenge and the traditional socialist theories are far away from solving this issue.
I do not think that capitalism can be supplanted by something better because capitalism is not an invention it is just the natural order of things, if I'm a hunter and I hunted a deer then I want to keep most of it after all i did all the effort, I can share some of that with the community but I'm not going to share it all if I had to do it then I'll have no incentive to hunt anymore, why risk my life? So what people call capitalism is nothing more than the natural order of things.
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Everybody is part of this , we all want stuff for the cheapest prices.
And if we can't get it we will get it overseas for a cheaper price , so people have to be willing to buy stuff locally.
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

What do you understand by "capitalism"?Market economy?
What system can replace the market?
Your english is very poor and i don`t understand what exactly are you trying to say in your thread.
How can we stop capitalism?
I am also looking at this topic without getting what  he is trying to explain. Capitalism is an economic system where private entities own the factors of production. The four factors are entrepreneurship, capital goods, natural resources, and labor. The owners of capital goods, natural resources, and entrepreneurship exercise control through companies.So, I think he wants to learn something about capitalism .
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.
capitalism is the major reason why many third-world countries are poor and cannot make head way in development and come out of poverty. Local content is the best way for any government to come out of poverty and suffering. Local products develop a country why capitalism enslave them. 

Unfettered capitalism is always a double edge sword (see Dirty Money in Netflix). It encourages scrupulous business practices just for profits. I think there should be a balance between capitalism and socialism to better the community instead of just a select few. The still widening wealth gap is creating more tension between the haves and have nots. Spreading the wealth will ensure sustainability of harmony in the community.

Things are not as black and white as often portrayed, capitalism has a bad reputation but it also means free market and less government. At the other end of the spectrum you get socialism where everything is regulated or owned by the government. The claim that capitalism is responsible for the poverty in 3rd world countries is misleading. Certain capitalistic countries as the US have certainly not done much for the farmers in african countries, except selling them their genetically upgraded seeds. But look at a socialistic led country as China and tell me how they have helped poor regions to prosper. You won't find anything either. Forget about these concepts. If the crypto revolution is successful there will be the biggest wealth transfer from rich to poor regardless what type of governments are in place.

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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

Capitalism provides better services and product to the consumers encouraging free market and competition. Promoting local product is no doubt beneficial for the economy and will also generate employment.
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Capitslism makes the poor to become poorer. I agree to what other say about them. They control markets and that is what they are good at. The poor ones become like slaves who unable to resists anything about the sysyem. Unable to defend oneself and there's nothing that could ever be done but accept that they are under the system. Its like they are digging holes for poor while they live happy atop of it. Why not patronize our own local products forget and about them? Maybe we need freedom.
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well every system in theory is perfect as well as capitalism in this case but what makes us as humanity incompatible to feed the poor and take care of schools I guess is not capitalism, communism or anything else but our own greed and selfishness.
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.
Capitalism is the best, because if it was not capitalism, we would not talk about bitcoin here. Capitalism is a system in which, if your brain works, you will live the life you want to. There is only the poor and the rich in the Socialism and it is annoying system.
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

Does anyone else see the irony of someone saying we have to stop capitalism but in the same post advocating for buying local products (a capitalist endeavor, which would support capitalist enterprise), while also having a personal message that says "Buying Paypal i have bitcoin 15% Preev rate PM!" which is also a capitalist effort?   Grin

I don't think you yourself know what you believe, but apparently you're not as against capitalism as you think you are. Sounds like you're looking for a scapegoat for something and just picked capitalism without a clear understanding of what it is or even what your criticism is of it.
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Capitalism is great when it's implemented. The current implementation of it worldwide is not the same version that allowed to all the innovations in the early 20th century. It's now becoming centralized with over-regulation from government and heavy cronyism. The free market itself, at least with big companies, is nothing that it used to be. Do not blame capitalism for any issues we are witnessing currently.
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.
Great,I appreciate your idea.There are many social problem in the current world.Capitalism is one of them.By the capitalist society,the poor people is getting more poor and the rich people is getting more rich.There are no equality between them.Really it is harmful for our society.
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.
I agree with that, the decentralization concept that bitcoin brings to us will spread the financial power to the hands of each of us. If many people are make micro industry/business like online shop or craft the it will help the country economy.
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Capitalism is the bedrock of economy development
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

Just promoting any business wouldn't help that business grow a lot because that is really insufficient thing for it. The product which is promoted must be promoted in such way that people are actually making investment into the same and thus putting money into it. When this former step will happen then only the product that was promoted will get hugely pumped in terms of its capitalism. Thats not easy stuff and ic oddly related this to bitcoin's journey up until now and how it got promoted since 2009 and how it grew exponential with its capitalism.
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Capitalism and the immense thirst for money and profit will completely destroy the ecology and, in general, the Earth. Capitalism generates envy and other worst features of a person.
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Capitalism is already adopted all over the world and for me it is much better than communism cause it always lead to corruption although it still depends on the people but there are much higher chance of corruption in communism although capitalism has its own flaws we can do something about it though.
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Capitalism is the natural state of human society. And this is the only system that lasted for many years and showed results.
I doubt that. Modern capitalism emerged in the 14.-16. century in Italy. Before, feudalism and hunter-gatherer societies have prevailed for many millenia, and they are based on distinct principles. Most of these societies also know some kind of property and commerce, but that is also true for socialism.

Capitalism is a relatively simple system, less authoritarian than feudalism and Soviet-style state socialism. It "makes people work" and also "innovate" via its incentive system. That is its basic virtue. But one has not to forget that modern capitalism needs the State to work (it needs an institution that defines what private property is, and how it has to be protected, and delivers protection in form of police and military forces).

But it is not a "natural state". The most "natural" states are probably hunter-gatherer societies; they're working similar than many mammals' communities (e.g. lions and wolves) with a strong hierarchy. This "natural" state isn't exactly "libertarian", and so I don't want to go back to any natural state. I want to be part of a society where every human can be as free as possible - and even Capitalism doesn't deliver that, so there's much room to improve (maybe Bitcoin can be part of it).
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