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Quote from: hornetsnest on June 27, 2020, 07:14:29 PM

Black Lives Matter protests win medical approval, but not Trump rallies. Is Covid-19 a marxist disease?

This is Michael Hickson, a 46-year-old coronavirus patient

Because he is a quadriplegic, doctors said his "quality of life" would be too low to be treated

So over the course of 6 days, they starved him to death

Michael was a Black man.Did his life not matter?

Black people STOP being deceived by these marxist parasites.They DON'T give a shit about you.They are emotionally manipulating you to adopt and endorse their warped ideology and will treat US ALL the same way as Michael was treated when we lose our "economic value" in their global factory.The free market and liberty is the best guarantor of freedom.Marxists are squandering your tax dollars.This is why there is inequality and why our economies are bankrupted and we are ALL sold into bondage to the elite.Utopia for them/Dystopia for us.Socialism for them/Communism for us.Marxists DON'T care about you.Marxists only care about marxism and climbing up it's ladder ;-)

You couldn't make this shit up for an orwellian movie script and these are the "useful idiots" advising our governments.

Ok then,as this thread is now dealing with COVID-19 related incidence this post remains on topic for both OP and COVID-19.

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This past Friday, pro-lifers began reporting on doctors killing #MichaelHickson. To this point, it has only been picked up by pro-lifers and disability rights activists. That it has been ignored by major media and racial justice activists is a disgrace.
Michael got COVID-19 and was put in the hospital. A paraplegic who could not walk or easily talk, he clearly interacted with his family, laughing at jokes and enjoying songs. Due to complex disagreements over his care, however, medical decision-making was taken from his wife.
That's when his white doctor decided, along with his appointed guardian, aggressive medical treatment was no longer appropriate for him.

It would have been one thing if the argument was that treatment was burdensome. A case can be made for this when it comes to ventilation.
But the doctor even denied Michael getting the important drug (for COVID patients) remdesivir...despite the fact that it is best used apart from ventilation. cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/study-remdesivir-benefits-some-covid-19-patients

Why did Michael's doctor deny him this potentially life-saving drug?
He didn't think Michael should live.

Don't believe me? Listen to the legal recording yourself. youtube.com/watch?v=jq-_gtjnzZg&feature=youtu.be The doctor says, "Cause as of right now, his quality of life...he doesn't have much of one." And then he confirms he's talking about Michael's disabilities.
The doctor makes several damning statements, but this one takes the cake. After explaining that he'd seen three other patients survive in similar cases, he says quite directly that what makes this case different is that Michael has disabilities the other three did not have.
Dr. Gutierrez is one of the few physicians who have spoken directly about what happened in this case. Her thread below is worth reading in its entirety. Doctors are good at protecting their own, but we need more brave people like her to speak truth.
Doctors rate quality of life of patients worse than patients do themselves.

And African Americans have long been understandably fearful of explicit and structural racism in medicine, especially at the end of life.

#MichaelHickson's case is a paradigmatic example of both.
We need #medtwitter to confront its racism and ableism.

At this moment, one would think major media and racial justice activists would hold doctors and medicine in general accountable for this. But they aren't.
Again, it appears to be only pro-life and disability activists.

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I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.....

Sez WHO?

Remember "flatten the curve?" the purpose of that was to not overload the hospitals. We've done that. Now we're in the next phase, where everyone gets sick until we develop immunity or the virus weakens.

Why the fuck are you even talking about masks, groups of people, and sanitizing?

Not sure why you're talking about herd immunity right here, as that's not one of the 'phases' that we're supposed to be going through in regards to this virus. Herd immunity is great to talk about, until you notice that you need like 60-80% of the population to get the coronavirus for it to be effective. Not effective and would lead to many unnecessary deaths.

Masks, groups of people, and sanitizing are still very important. Unsure on what you think is important here when the Southern portion of the US (Florida, Texas, etc) are currently having surges in cases and we just broke the daily record for number of new cases in the US and number of new cases by percentage of tests has been steadily increasing.

So we DID "flatten the curve", and now we're back to people getting the disease, and we're well on the way to herd immunity. Why would you want to push that point off farther into the future? Also you've not taken into account that the virus may have weakened.

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^^^^^^Guys when did this thread become the KUNG FLU thread Huh

Corona virus FLU posts are only washing out the topic we are dealing with here Grin

A male/female/(cannot decipher correct gender) protester at the NY CHAZ brags about their college education and mock the police for being uneducated, working class, illiterate rubes. They also call a black cop “black Judas” or race traitor.Does this fool not realise that in the Communist countries they have developed a system of forced treatment in insane asylums that would probably make him/her disappear... Three times a day - right at this very moment - the doctors are making their rounds and injecting substances that destroy the brain.The first to go under a marxist regime will be all these "woke" philosophy students and "expressive artists" It will be a real ~Dead Poet Society Wink

https://twitter.com/i/status/1278226800317919234

.........meanwhile

..hey but don't feel so bad Adam.Instead of the welfare check that taxes on "capitalism" would provide you with 'marxism" will have massive compulsory labor which is not paid in accordance with its value; work on holidays; forced living in communes; and the incessant dinning of slogans and dogmas that abolish the human essence and deny all individuality to man.Happy days Grin

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Quote from: Spendulus on July 01, 2020, 08:59:43 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on July 01, 2020, 01:58:06 PM

Quote from: NotATether on July 01, 2020, 01:45:46 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on July 01, 2020, 12:06:10 PM

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

Nobody really knows how to contain this covid-19 mess in a way that's practical, so people with authority resort to thinking up guidelines themselves, you can see different states have wildly different social distancing rules and this is the result of mayors and governors and other people in charge having different opinions on what's best for the community.

One thing's for sure, people won't heed a prohibition of gathering in large groups, even if that was enforced by mass arresting, because it will simply make them more angry and resentful. More anger escalates violence.

Maybe local businesses are fined consistently for breaking quarantine rules, though it certainly looks like individual people aren't fined consistently. And if that's the case then it really sucks to be in their position but it does tell us that governors are handling businesses properly.

Back to lurking now

Oh yeah, you're totally right on no one really having the 'right' answer on what to do here. I think something that everyone has to remember is that we're all going to have to adjust to a 'new normal' -- a balance between public health and economics. We can't just have 15% unemployment and millions of Americans collecting unemployment benefits forever. It's just not sustainable in an economy.

I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.....

Sez WHO?

Remember "flatten the curve?" the purpose of that was to not overload the hospitals. We've done that. Now we're in the next phase, where everyone gets sick until we develop immunity or the virus weakens.

Why the fuck are you even talking about masks, groups of people, and sanitizing?

Not sure why you're talking about herd immunity right here, as that's not one of the 'phases' that we're supposed to be going through in regards to this virus. Herd immunity is great to talk about, until you notice that you need like 60-80% of the population to get the coronavirus for it to be effective. Not effective and would lead to many unnecessary deaths.

Masks, groups of people, and sanitizing are still very important. Unsure on what you think is important here when the Southern portion of the US (Florida, Texas, etc) are currently having surges in cases and we just broke the daily record for number of new cases in the US and number of new cases by percentage of tests has been steadily increasing.

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Quote from: squatz1 on July 01, 2020, 01:58:06 PM

Quote from: NotATether on July 01, 2020, 01:45:46 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on July 01, 2020, 12:06:10 PM

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

Nobody really knows how to contain this covid-19 mess in a way that's practical, so people with authority resort to thinking up guidelines themselves, you can see different states have wildly different social distancing rules and this is the result of mayors and governors and other people in charge having different opinions on what's best for the community.

One thing's for sure, people won't heed a prohibition of gathering in large groups, even if that was enforced by mass arresting, because it will simply make them more angry and resentful. More anger escalates violence.

Maybe local businesses are fined consistently for breaking quarantine rules, though it certainly looks like individual people aren't fined consistently. And if that's the case then it really sucks to be in their position but it does tell us that governors are handling businesses properly.

Back to lurking now

Oh yeah, you're totally right on no one really having the 'right' answer on what to do here. I think something that everyone has to remember is that we're all going to have to adjust to a 'new normal' -- a balance between public health and economics. We can't just have 15% unemployment and millions of Americans collecting unemployment benefits forever. It's just not sustainable in an economy.

I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.....

Sez WHO?

Remember "flatten the curve?" the purpose of that was to not overload the hospitals. We've done that. Now we're in the next phase, where everyone gets sick until we develop immunity or the virus weakens.

Why the fuck are you even talking about masks, groups of people, and sanitizing?

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Quote from: NotATether on July 01, 2020, 01:45:46 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on July 01, 2020, 12:06:10 PM

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

Nobody really knows how to contain this covid-19 mess in a way that's practical, so people with authority resort to thinking up guidelines themselves, you can see different states have wildly different social distancing rules and this is the result of mayors and governors and other people in charge having different opinions on what's best for the community.

One thing's for sure, people won't heed a prohibition of gathering in large groups, even if that was enforced by mass arresting, because it will simply make them more angry and resentful. More anger escalates violence.

Maybe local businesses are fined consistently for breaking quarantine rules, though it certainly looks like individual people aren't fined consistently. And if that's the case then it really sucks to be in their position but it does tell us that governors are handling businesses properly.

Back to lurking now

Oh yeah, you're totally right on no one really having the 'right' answer on what to do here. I think something that everyone has to remember is that we're all going to have to adjust to a 'new normal' -- a balance between public health and economics. We can't just have 15% unemployment and millions of Americans collecting unemployment benefits forever. It's just not sustainable in an economy.

I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.

Government is left to fill in the rest of the issues there by getting more testing, developing better guidelines with both economic/public health in mind, and a vaccine at some point.

As I said before though, it's just rough to be business owner who's sitting around losing money everyday as you continue to pay rent on a restaurant that you're only able to get 25% of the revenues you had before from takein and all that, while protestors are roaming the streets in large groups defying the same order that you're following by keeping your business closed to the public.

Tough tough times.

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Quote from: squatz1 on July 01, 2020, 12:06:10 PM

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

Nobody really knows how to contain this covid-19 mess in a way that's practical, so people with authority resort to thinking up guidelines themselves, you can see different states have wildly different social distancing rules and this is the result of mayors and governors and other people in charge having different opinions on what's best for the community.

One thing's for sure, people won't heed a prohibition of gathering in large groups, even if that was enforced by mass arresting, because it will simply make them more angry and resentful. More anger escalates violence.

Maybe local businesses are fined consistently for breaking quarantine rules, though it certainly looks like individual people aren't fined consistently. And if that's the case then it really sucks to be in their position but it does tell us that governors are handling businesses properly.

Back to lurking now

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Quote from: Gyfts on July 01, 2020, 12:09:46 PM

Mayor Jenny Durkan issued an executive order, finally, to allow Seattle Police the authority to go in and retake CHOP. Looks like after 3 weeks it's finally over. I doubt she'll face political repercussions for allowing this to go unchecked.

https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-police-clearing-chop-area-after-durkan-issues-executive-order

Not surpising to see and this was to be expected. I'm guessing that the people that were living in this area (not apart of CHAZ, literally just living there) and the business owners had enough and finally were able to force the Mayor to actually do something.

It doesn't help Chaz that they were openly calling for the removal of the Mayor though. She probably wasn't too happy with them for that. lol. I think she will face political repurcussions, this is totally something that voters are going to remember come November.

6 blocks of a major US city were 'taken over' by another group of people. Police had to retreat and leave the area so people could take over. That's not something that voters are typically too fond of.

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Mayor Jenny Durkan issued an executive order, finally, to allow Seattle Police the authority to go in and retake CHOP. Looks like after 3 weeks it's finally over. I doubt she'll face political repercussions for allowing this to go unchecked.

https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-police-clearing-chop-area-after-durkan-issues-executive-order

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Quote from: hornetsnest on June 27, 2020, 07:14:29 PM

Black Lives Matter protests win medical approval, but not Trump rallies. Is Covid-19 a marxist disease?

A group of over 1,000 “health experts” signed a letter supporting the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests and riots but are against any conservative, working American or Christian protest gathering.

These same dishonest hacks who advocated collapsing the global economy and demonized anyone who dared question the implementation of the lockdown and the ensuing destruction of civil liberties for the "general population" now try to explain how the dangerous Black Lives Matter protests and riots are good for society and acceptable during a pandemic.Just as America was boiling over in racial tensions, some 1,200 public health professionals and “community stakeholders” signed a letter that supported “demonstrations” that call attention to the “lethal force of white supremacy” in the US.

To the same "medical hypocrites experts and useful idiots" ...............

This is Michael Hickson, a 46-year-old coronavirus patient

Because he is a quadriplegic, doctors said his "quality of life" would be too low to be treated

So over the course of 6 days, they starved him to death

Michael was a Black man.Did his life not matter?

Black people STOP being deceived by these marxist parasites.They DON'T give a shit about you.They are emotionally manipulating you to adopt and endorse their warped ideology and will treat US ALL the same way as Michael was treated when we lose our "economic value" in their global factory.The free market and liberty is the best guarantor of freedom.Marxists are squandering your tax dollars.This is why there is inequality and why our economies are bankrupted and we are ALL sold into bondage to the elite.Utopia for them/Dystopia for us.Socialism for them/Communism for us.Marxists DON'T care about you.Marxists only care about marxism and climbing up it's ladder ;-)

You couldn't make this shit up for an orwellian movie script and these are the "useful idiots" advising our governments.

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

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Larry Peyton, 21, of Trenton, NJ, stood alone against an angry deranged mob of mostly white Revcom members https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Communist_Party,_USA as they attempt to burn an American flag outside of the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia.Larry is the type of man who is the kind needed in police force and government to help fight the scourge of Anarcho marxism .

Larry Peyton,A true Patriot courageously stands in defiance against the sneering communist hoardes and domestic terrorist network.It is because of people like Larry that they cannot divide us.Well informed and rational black and white citizens KNOW what is at play here.If the incorporated communists win we ALL lose! Freedom dies and there is NO going back when tyranny is embedded like a tumor that cannot be removed without killing the host!!

#LarryPeytonUSpatriot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx4Ht1BoQ0I

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Meanwhile when Karen is not instigating civil war and supporting domestic terrorism she busy enforcing infanticide.......

Planned Parenthood Activists Burn American Flag to Protest New Law Saving Babies From Abortion.

Call It an Alternate Route: Parading Costumed Abortion Activists Burn the American Flag to Stop a Bill that protects the innocent.

.....while poor repressed Kevin needs some downtime

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On July 15, 2017, Justine Damond (née Ruszczyk)[2][3] a 40-year-old Australian-American woman, was fatally shot by a 33-year-old Mohamed Noor, a Somali-American Minneapolis Police Department officer, after she had called 9-1-1 to report the possible assault of a woman in an alley behind her house.Justine was unarmed and wearing her pyjamas at the time she was murdered and posed no threat yet no riots or marches took place for her. #whiteprivilege

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond

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Quote from: PopoJeff on June 29, 2020, 03:05:56 PM

Imagine owning a business, having a job, or living in the area that is unlawfully claimed by "protesters." You immediately become a helpless victim of the mob, with zero protection from your elected government. (But are still expected to pay your taxes)

On the note of businesses - https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/capitol-hill-residents-and-businesses-sue-city-of-seattle-for-failing-to-disband-chop/

They're basically suing the city because the mayor forcibly removed Seattle police out of the area and gave it to the protesters and at own will. If you're a small business owner, it's over for you. You have no foot traffic for customers, and even after the barriers for CHOP go down, who's going to want to visit the area?

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Quote from: Gyfts on June 29, 2020, 02:14:07 PM

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/shooting-at-seattles-chop-protest-site-leaves-2-in-critical-condition/

One man killed and a 14 year old critically injured after vigilante security guards shoot up an SUV after the SUV was allegedly involved in a drive by shooting. I'm not sure if it's even been confirmed whether or not the SUV was the actual one involved.

It started off as some children role playing but it's gotten out of hand at this point. The mayor needs to step up and end this shit but she's too busy pandering to the hard left. There are now real consequential implications by letting so much chaos roam through six blocks of Seattle which has now ironically proved why you need trained police. How many more people are going to die before it ends?

This is exactly why I said Democrat leaders are FAILING at doing their jobs.

Mayors, Governors, etc... have a responsibility to protect ALL of their citizens, not just those who vote for them.
These liberal run cities are a prime example of the Democrat leaders not giving a crap about anyone else's safety, other than those who they expect a vote from.

Imagine owning a business, having a job, or living in the area that is unlawfully overrun and claimed by "protesters." You immediately become a helpless victim of the mob, with zero protection from your elected government. (But are still expected to pay your taxes)

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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/shooting-at-seattles-chop-protest-site-leaves-2-in-critical-condition/

One man killed and a 14 year old critically injured after vigilante security guards shoot up an SUV after the SUV was allegedly involved in a drive by shooting. I'm not sure if it's even been confirmed whether or not the SUV was the actual one involved.

It started off as some children role playing but it's gotten out of hand at this point. The mayor needs to step up and end this shit but she's too busy pandering to the hard left. There are now real consequential implications by letting so much chaos roam through six blocks of Seattle which has now ironically proved why you need trained police. How many more people are going to die before it ends?

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What are they up to now? 5 shootings in CHAZ?

They're doing a great job in their little area. 6 square blocks of their own little Utopia of crime.

And an absolute perfect display of why it doesn't work.
Of course, supported by Democrat leaders.

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Black Lives Matter protests win medical approval, but not Trump rallies. Is Covid-19 a marxist disease?

A group of over 1,000 “health experts” signed a letter supporting the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests and riots but are against any conservative, working American or Christian protest gathering.

These same dishonest hacks who advocated collapsing the global economy and demonized anyone who dared question the implementation of the lockdown and the ensuing destruction of civil liberties for the "general population" now try to explain how the dangerous Black Lives Matter protests and riots are good for society and acceptable during a pandemic.Just as America was boiling over in racial tensions, some 1,200 public health professionals and “community stakeholders” signed a letter that supported “demonstrations” that call attention to the “lethal force of white supremacy” in the US.

To the same "medical hypocrites experts and useful idiots" ...............

This is Michael Hickson, a 46-year-old coronavirus patient

Because he is a quadriplegic, doctors said his "quality of life" would be too low to be treated

So over the course of 6 days, they starved him to death

Michael was a Black man.Did his life not matter?

Black people STOP being deceived by these marxist parasites.They DON'T give a shit about you.They are emotionally manipulating you to adopt and endorse their warped ideology and will treat US ALL the same way as Michael was treated when we lose our "economic value" in their global factory.The free market and liberty is the best guarantor of freedom.Marxists are squandering your tax dollars.This is why there is inequality and why our economies are bankrupted and we are ALL sold into bondage to the elite.Utopia for them/Dystopia for us.Socialism for them/Communism for us.Marxists DON'T care about you.Marxists only care about marxism and climbing up it's ladder ;-)

You couldn't make this shit up for an orwellian movie script and these are the "useful idiots" advising our governments.

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Quote from: hornetsnest on June 27, 2020, 08:06:22 AM

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I'm an Asian-American doctor and today I #TakeTheKnee to fight white supremacy.
https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/911935874711085057

Hey Doc......can we talk about this? Grin

Send this patriot reinforcements!! Cool

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1276110776256925696

(libtard response follows...)

No,and shut up.

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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
When are the thugs, looters, and anarchists moving out of the so-called “Autonomous Zone” in Seattle? Get going!
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Eugene Gu, MD
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@realDonaldTrump
When are the thugs, looters, and racists moving out of the so-called “White House” in Washington, DC? Get going!

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I'm an Asian-American doctor and today I #TakeTheKnee to fight white supremacy.
https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/911935874711085057

Hey Doc......can we talk about this? Grin

Send this patriot reinforcements!! Cool

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1276110776256925696

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Quote from: squatz1 on June 26, 2020, 12:52:48 PM

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Another 10k people come out in Michigan (all voting Democrat) and that state is flipped. It's crazy that people will bitch and moan about how horrible some of the people in government are, but won't go and vote.

So many people believe the 'my vote doesn't really matter anyway' and it just kills voter turnout.

Just a matter of 10k mail in ballots?

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 25, 2020, 01:13:48 PM

Quote from: PopoJeff on June 25, 2020, 11:17:07 AM

"Neither" was the largest segment of registered voters.

It's misleading to call it a "majority" in election context, which typically means >50%. What you're describing is usually called a "plurality" when talking about elections.

Quote from: squatz1 on June 25, 2020, 11:22:59 AM

God if I another few percent of people voted, they could change the fate of elections. 2016 election was probably decided by like 150k total votes (spread across a few battleground / swing states - PA, WISC, FLORIDA, etc)

It was ~80k votes across PA, MI, and WI that made the difference. I don't know if "few percent" would be enough to change it. 5% of additional voters would need to vote ~60:40 against the otherwise-winning candidate to overcome even a tiny 1% winning margin. Sounds unlikely unless all those additional votes come from a largely atypical voter demographic, like millennials, and you know how I feel about those lazy bastards. They wouldn't show up to vote even if you handed out participation-trophy-shaped avocado toast at the polls.

Totally unlikely. But the few percent comment of mine is typically pointed at millennials and the generation below them which can vote now as well (youngest millenail is like 25 now, right?) Millenials and below them would be people who would typically be voting for democrats.

Another 10k people come out in Michigan (all voting Democrat) and that state is flipped. It's crazy that people will bitch and moan about how horrible some of the people in government are, but won't go and vote.

So many people believe the 'my vote doesn't really matter anyway' and it just kills voter turnout.

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