Topic: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it? - page 4. (Read 1363 times)
Its not the politicians' city though. They realize they work for the people who are out there and they have simply "occupied" a piece of their own city.
So today, CHAZ has a shooting within. 1 dead, 2 injured.
Guess what happened next.......... THEY CALLED THE COPS !!
This reminds me of when the child wants to be a big boy and the parents set up a tent in the back yard because the child "can do it on their own.". And then the kid gets hungry and comes back in.
Guess what happened next.......... THEY CALLED THE COPS !!
This reminds me of when the child wants to be a big boy and the parents set up a tent in the back yard because the child "can do it on their own.". And then the kid gets hungry and comes back in.
Why is everyone worried about a chart and identity politics.
No one cares.
Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.
Area businesses will suffer. A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined. Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.
Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.
What if you forcefully takeover a whole continent? No one cares.
Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.
Area businesses will suffer. A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined. Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.
Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.
It reminds me of that Die hard movie where the thieves took over the building masquerading as "freedom fighters" and had a list of "convincing" demands that collaborated with their "movement"'s identity but all the while their real motive was robbing the joint.These lot below are beginning to make a complete mockery of the legitimate grievances of all genuine people who actually have suffered police brutality.In fact what they are doing is literally turning people who initially would have had sympathy with this protest against it and creating deeper divisions and resentment as planned.The genuine people who can see through all this bullshit need to stand up and start taking names and numbers here or this is going to turn very negative.Instigators with ulterior motives have been exploiting every "crisis" like parasitic catalysts for too long and they are becoming genuinely dangerous to the whole community now.They will not be happy until there is a social cataclysm. 
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A Black Lives Matter leader from Louisville, Kentucky, is demanding white people pay for their inherent sin of being white by adhering to a 10-point list of demands, which includes small gestures like giving up your home and leaving your property to a minority family when you die.
Seems reasonable.
Chanelle Helm, the co-founder of Black Lives Matter-Louisville, penned the list of radical demands in Leo Weekly following the rally-turned-fatal riot in Charlottesville, Virginia, last weekend.
In the first six demands, Helm focuses on white people giving up their property and money to poor minorities, since white people are “bound to make that money in some other white privileged way”:
1. White people, if you don’t have any descendants, will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably one that lives in generational poverty.
2. White people, if you’re inheriting property you intend to sell upon acceptance, give it to a black or brown family. You’re bound to make that money in some other white privileged way.
3. If you are a developer or realty owner of multi-family housing, build a sustainable complex in a black or brown blighted neighborhood and let black and brown people live in it for free.
4. White people, if you can afford to downsize, give up the home you own to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.
5. White people, if any of the people you intend to leave your property to are racists assholes, change the will, and will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.
6. White people, re-budget your monthly so you can donate to black funds for land purchasing.
Then the racism dial somehow finds a way to get turned up even higher. Helm, while making several stereotypical and offensive claims, urges white people to “get a racist fired.”
“White people, especially white women (because this is yaw specialty — Nosey Jenny and Meddling Kathy), get a racist fired. Yaw know what the f*** they be saying. You are complicit when you ignore them. Get your boss fired cause they racist too,” reads demand number seven.
And it continues, this time with mention of “lil’ d***-white men.”
8. Backing up No. 7, this should be easy but all those sheetless Klan, Nazi’s and Other lil’ d***-white men will all be returning to work. Get they ass fired. Call the police even: they look suspicious.
Demand number nine encourages the use of violence when getting supposed “racists” fired (emphasis added):
9. OK, backing up No. 8, if any white person at your work, or as you enter in spaces and you overhear a white person praising the actions from yesterday, first, get a pic. Get their name and more info. Hell, find out where they work — Get Them Fired. But certainly address them, and, if you need to, you got hands: use them.
And, finally, demand ten implores white people to fight “white supremacy.”
10. Commit to two things: Fighting white supremacy where and how you can (this doesn’t mean taking up knitting, unless you’re making scarves for black and brown kids in need), and funding black and brown people and their work.
This is a brilliant plan by Helms; everyone knows the best way to fight phantom racism is to engage in open racism yourself.
Seems reasonable.
Chanelle Helm, the co-founder of Black Lives Matter-Louisville, penned the list of radical demands in Leo Weekly following the rally-turned-fatal riot in Charlottesville, Virginia, last weekend.
In the first six demands, Helm focuses on white people giving up their property and money to poor minorities, since white people are “bound to make that money in some other white privileged way”:
1. White people, if you don’t have any descendants, will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably one that lives in generational poverty.
2. White people, if you’re inheriting property you intend to sell upon acceptance, give it to a black or brown family. You’re bound to make that money in some other white privileged way.
3. If you are a developer or realty owner of multi-family housing, build a sustainable complex in a black or brown blighted neighborhood and let black and brown people live in it for free.
4. White people, if you can afford to downsize, give up the home you own to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.
5. White people, if any of the people you intend to leave your property to are racists assholes, change the will, and will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.
6. White people, re-budget your monthly so you can donate to black funds for land purchasing.
Then the racism dial somehow finds a way to get turned up even higher. Helm, while making several stereotypical and offensive claims, urges white people to “get a racist fired.”
“White people, especially white women (because this is yaw specialty — Nosey Jenny and Meddling Kathy), get a racist fired. Yaw know what the f*** they be saying. You are complicit when you ignore them. Get your boss fired cause they racist too,” reads demand number seven.
And it continues, this time with mention of “lil’ d***-white men.”
8. Backing up No. 7, this should be easy but all those sheetless Klan, Nazi’s and Other lil’ d***-white men will all be returning to work. Get they ass fired. Call the police even: they look suspicious.
Demand number nine encourages the use of violence when getting supposed “racists” fired (emphasis added):
9. OK, backing up No. 8, if any white person at your work, or as you enter in spaces and you overhear a white person praising the actions from yesterday, first, get a pic. Get their name and more info. Hell, find out where they work — Get Them Fired. But certainly address them, and, if you need to, you got hands: use them.
And, finally, demand ten implores white people to fight “white supremacy.”
10. Commit to two things: Fighting white supremacy where and how you can (this doesn’t mean taking up knitting, unless you’re making scarves for black and brown kids in need), and funding black and brown people and their work.
This is a brilliant plan by Helms; everyone knows the best way to fight phantom racism is to engage in open racism yourself.
Why is everyone worried about a chart and identity politics.
No one cares.
Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.
Area businesses will suffer. A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined. Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.
Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.
Detroit never recovered from the 1968 riots.No one cares.
Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.
Area businesses will suffer. A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined. Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.
Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.
Compton, in Los Angeles, never recovered from its riots.
Here we go again.
This is "domestic terrorism":
https://crosscut.com/2019/12/wa-rep-matt-shea-engaged-domestic-terrorism-helped-plan-malheur-standoff-investigation
This is "protest":
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-police-autonomous-zone/index.html
Interestingly enough BLM is involved in both.
https://crosscut.com/2019/12/wa-rep-matt-shea-engaged-domestic-terrorism-helped-plan-malheur-standoff-investigation
This is "protest":
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-police-autonomous-zone/index.html
Interestingly enough BLM is involved in both.
Why is everyone worried about a chart and identity politics.
No one cares.
Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.
Area businesses will suffer. A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined. Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.
Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.
No one cares.
Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.
Area businesses will suffer. A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined. Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.
Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.
It's strictly on the Mayor for allowing this shit to slide. Portland, which is notorious for standing by while Antifa causes riots and destruction took a proactive approach and had their police destroy the barriers in their "autonomous zone".
Why is everyone worried about a chart and identity politics.
No one cares.
Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.
Area businesses will suffer. A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined. Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.
Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.
No one cares.
Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.
Area businesses will suffer. A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined. Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.
Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.
Theres nothing violent about CHAZ/CHOP. The barricades are to prevent terrorists from driving through the crowd and make it difficult for anyone to assault the crowd which is something that has been happening around the country.
The mixup of individuals, philosophies and nations in the same chart?
If not just "garbage" it's downright weird. Stein? On the same chart as Mao, Reagan, Jefferson? You are kidding, right? Sanders? Middle of the road, eh? He's one of the more authoritarian creeps of the last several decades.
But regardless, a chart of this type with FAILED US SOCIALIST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT?
The point is to put them all on the same chart so people can get a visual idea about where different ideologies fall on the spectrum. Anyone can take the quiz but you can also take the quiz based on someone's platform, the policies of a nation, or your understanding of how a past leader would have answered questions based on their policies and quotes.
This particular chart may not place everyone accurate but everyone has a true position and this gets those positions in the correct vicinity at least. Of course the placing is only as precise as the quiz allows which is somewhat limited and far from comprehensive.
If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed.
The mixup of individuals, philosophies and nations in the same chart?
If not just "garbage" it's downright weird. Stein? On the same chart as Mao, Reagan, Jefferson? You are kidding, right? Sanders? Middle of the road, eh? He's one of the more authoritarian creeps of the last several decades.
But regardless, a chart of this type with FAILED US SOCIALIST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT?
This particular chart may not place everyone accurate but everyone has a true position and this gets those positions in the correct vicinity at least. Of course the placing is only as precise as the quiz allows which is somewhat limited and far from comprehensive.
If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed.
People who occupy this area are terrorists.
They should be arrested and charged with sedition.
I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker. Its all approximate. You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people. These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are. No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.
How would you describe somebody who is full-tilt authoritarian when their party is in power and full-tilt libertarian when they are not? Asking for a friend.
What's wrong with this chart is it's static. In the USA, the last decade has shown a tremendous tilt of the US Democratic Party. Similarly, Stalin changed a great deal during his reign of power.
These movements are much more interesting than some pin stuck on a dead bug on the wall.
I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker. Its all approximate. You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people. These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are. No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.
Oh it wasn't me saying that the chart you sent was wrong, it was me saying that I thought all of the lines themselves -- the cut off points if you will -- are a bit abritrary and left up to intepretation. I'd say if you ask 1000 Poly Science professors you'd find conflicting views on the matter as well.
So yeah, I think we agree with this. Nothing wrong here.
I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker. Its all approximate. You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people. These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are. No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.
How would you describe somebody who is full-tilt authoritarian when their party is in power and full-tilt libertarian when they are not? Asking for a friend.
A regular person, lol.
I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker. Its all approximate. You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people. These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are. No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.
How would you describe somebody who is full-tilt authoritarian when their party is in power and full-tilt libertarian when they are not? Asking for a friend.
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If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed.
They should be carefully picked up in a small plastic bag, that carefully closed, and placed in the nearest trash bin along with all the other doggie doodoo. If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed.
....Putting up barriers and shutting down 6 blocks isn't a form of peaceful protest. ....
No, it's not. I wonder what happens when it'r property tax collection time. You know, time to collect the money to pay for the schools, hospitals, police and such?
Does CHAZ collect and keep the taxes?
Or do the city and county say, "Your little fun time is up. Get out or we throw you out."
Anarchist accepting government money? Wait a second, something doesn't quite add up.
Once these children are done role playing they'll get bored and leave on their own.
Theres nothing violent about CHAZ/CHOP. The barricades are to prevent terrorists from driving through the crowd and make it difficult for anyone to assault the crowd which is something that has been happening around the country.
The mixup of individuals, philosophies and nations in the same chart?
If not just "garbage" it's downright weird. Stein? On the same chart as Mao, Reagan, Jefferson? You are kidding, right? Sanders? Middle of the road, eh? He's one of the more authoritarian creeps of the last several decades.
But regardless, a chart of this type with FAILED US SOCIALIST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT?
The point is to put them all on the same chart so people can get a visual idea about where different ideologies fall on the spectrum. Anyone can take the quiz but you can also take the quiz based on someone's platform, the policies of a nation, or your understanding of how a past leader would have answered questions based on their policies and quotes.
This particular chart may not place everyone accurate but everyone has a true position and this gets those positions in the correct vicinity at least. Of course the placing is only as precise as the quiz allows which is somewhat limited and far from comprehensive.
If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed.
The mixup of individuals, philosophies and nations in the same chart?
If not just "garbage" it's downright weird. Stein? On the same chart as Mao, Reagan, Jefferson? You are kidding, right? Sanders? Middle of the road, eh? He's one of the more authoritarian creeps of the last several decades.
But regardless, a chart of this type with FAILED US SOCIALIST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT?
This particular chart may not place everyone accurate but everyone has a true position and this gets those positions in the correct vicinity at least. Of course the placing is only as precise as the quiz allows which is somewhat limited and far from comprehensive.
If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed.
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We wouldn't wan't people sharing the horrible reality of these riots now would we? We cant have that, it goes against wokeness dogma. Theymos is letting this place get turned into another Facefuck or Twatter where all that has to happen is some little turd who thinks free speech is only for those that agree with them sends reports and an ideologically aligned moderator of course is happy to oblige. Funny how those rules seem to magically not apply when they agree with the sentiment though.
I've had this deleted along with some other posts so will re post without comment this time so I cannot be accused of infringing terms and conditions and not complying with posting rules.If it is deleted again it means someone is performing censorship or moderating with a personal bias
....Putting up barriers and shutting down 6 blocks isn't a form of peaceful protest. ....
No, it's not. I wonder what happens when it'r property tax collection time. You know, time to collect the money to pay for the schools, hospitals, police and such?
Does CHAZ collect and keep the taxes?
Or do the city and county say, "Your little fun time is up. Get out or we throw you out."
The Mayor of Seattle has the dumbest take on "CHAZ" I have ever seen in my life. I really hope liberals are looking at her sheer stupidity and will call her out on it when it comes voting time. She put out a series of tweets to spite Trump after he had threatened to use federal forces in Seattle:
The Mayor of Seattle is defending CHAZ as if it is a form of peaceful protest because she feels forced to do a 180 on Trump's take of the situation. There's graffiti everywhere, physical barricades shutting down the roads, and people being mobbed to leave the area if they don't agree with what's going on. Imagine if you're a small business owner in the area having virtually all patronage grinding to a halt because edgy millenials want to play anarchy shutting down 6 blocks of public city streets and having the Mayor support that effort. It's insane. Putting up barriers and shutting down 6 blocks isn't a form of peaceful protest.
She also paid a visit to CHAZ recently - https://twitter.com/MayorJenny/status/1271653002982469632
With a security escort, of course. Because all safe peaceful demonstrations with zero hostility require armed police near by.
Quote from: Jenny Durkan - https://twitter.com/MayorJenny/status/1271225850160009216
It's clear
@realDonaldTrump
doesn’t understand what’s happening on five square blocks of our City. Cal Anderson and Capitol Hill has for decades been a place for free speech, community, and self expression.
Lawfully gathering and expressing first amendment rights, demanding we do better as a society and provide true equity for communities of color is not terrorism - it is patriotism.
The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone #CHAZ is not a lawless wasteland of anarchist insurrection - it is a peaceful expression of our community's collective grief and their desire to build a better world. Given his track record, it's not hard to believe that Trump is wrong, yet again.
@realDonaldTrump
doesn’t understand what’s happening on five square blocks of our City. Cal Anderson and Capitol Hill has for decades been a place for free speech, community, and self expression.
Lawfully gathering and expressing first amendment rights, demanding we do better as a society and provide true equity for communities of color is not terrorism - it is patriotism.
The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone #CHAZ is not a lawless wasteland of anarchist insurrection - it is a peaceful expression of our community's collective grief and their desire to build a better world. Given his track record, it's not hard to believe that Trump is wrong, yet again.
The Mayor of Seattle is defending CHAZ as if it is a form of peaceful protest because she feels forced to do a 180 on Trump's take of the situation. There's graffiti everywhere, physical barricades shutting down the roads, and people being mobbed to leave the area if they don't agree with what's going on. Imagine if you're a small business owner in the area having virtually all patronage grinding to a halt because edgy millenials want to play anarchy shutting down 6 blocks of public city streets and having the Mayor support that effort. It's insane. Putting up barriers and shutting down 6 blocks isn't a form of peaceful protest.
She also paid a visit to CHAZ recently - https://twitter.com/MayorJenny/status/1271653002982469632
With a security escort, of course. Because all safe peaceful demonstrations with zero hostility require armed police near by.
I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker. Its all approximate. You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people. These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are. No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.
What deal? You are garbage and so are your arguments.
The mixup of individuals, philosophies and nations in the same chart?
If not just "garbage" it's downright weird. Stein? On the same chart as Mao, Reagan, Jefferson? You are kidding, right? Sanders? Middle of the road, eh? He's one of the more authoritarian creeps of the last several decades.
But regardless, a chart of this type with FAILED US SOCIALIST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT?
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