Topic: Cashback with wagering requirements and same bonus make sense? - page 2. (Read 990 times)

Yeah I agree. They never fail on making more money than the gamblers . But if it was the other way around, then who the fuck said that? Maybe they are also part of the casino's team? As they say, not all are perfect in this world and this was the real truth. It is not only about the bad TOS on why a casino can fail but it is also about how they handle their costumer, and if their support is bad or not.

As for those casinos who frequently change their TOS, I think this was only normal and not a real issue. They even put a disclaimer about this. This also applies to almost any other platforms out there, not just in the casino business/industry.

True.  Some people say "Casinos never fail". Wrong. There have been tons of failed casinos throughout the history of gambling. All of them either had bad ToS or they were changing their ToS without any notice. Such casinos don't attract much customers and that's why they fail losing all the money invested in the business.

I think bonuses and cashbacks are different, but with what you are experiencing, there may be an update made by the casino and they may not tell you about the update, even though at first you were sure that the email you got was about a bonus but over time it changed to a Cashback which will be obtained when your balance runs out, indeed if you say cashback of course it will happen when we have run out of balance but with what is called a bonus it usually happens when we have made a deposit.
In addition, we should be able to be careful in doing anything including seeing the updates made by the casino, but if there is no news of this update or change, it is also difficult, unless we ask for it directly but that is also impossible because most of us are the opposite, even though there is a notification or update always ignore it.

There have been cases where casinos have changed the ToS without any notice... but it doesn't go unnoticed for too long, someone on this forum notices and lets everyone else know. Some casinos have twisted rules for their bonuses at the very beginning, but that's their choice and right to make everything how they want, just like we players have the right to look for a better casino that offers us more.

After all, if the conditions are bad, the casino will not attract players, or if there are players, they will slowly go to other places. This is precisely why some casinos are more successful than others, they offer more features and better conditions.

Is that true? I myself have never experienced it by having to pay a price to get a bonus, but what I experienced was when I chose the bonus feature there were certain requirements, namely where the withdrawal amount had a minimum amount set, when I gambled without choosing the bonus feature then I could withdraw my winnings with an amount that was not set, whether the profit had been obtained 5% or 10%, but when I chose the bonus feature then the winnings that would be made must be with the minimum amount set, usually this is double the amount of the deposit made.

In addition, I think when the casino makes an update they always notify their players by passing a message or notification on their personal account, it's just that many people or players ignore things like this, I myself am one of those who often ignore notifications made by the casino because I gamble without too much detail, making a deposit and gambling that's all I do.

If you are a type of gambler whose really that not a fan on reading up on sites terms and conditions then most likely you would really be ending up on potential issues on which it is really that against their TOS.
You will really be able to realize only on the time or moment that you've seen yourself violating their terms. It will really be that normal that casinos will really be trying it out to elaborate into those people or persons who do really be able to violate and will really be clarified into them.If it turns out that they have altered out the terms and conditions and you have been able to read it up earlier and you've seen such sudden changes then you are really that dealing with a shady site. This is why on the moment that you do make out some deposits on a site then always consider out their reputation on which this is really that always important on this case.
You cant really just that make out some deposits without having those considerations. Speaking about cashback and wagering requirements are really just that normal specially when it comes to wagering because they wont really be letting out those gamblers who are really that taking those bonuses. They will really be setting out something that will really be that at their advantage.

how cunning the casino is in deceiving its customers, indirectly they have reduced the reputation of their casino, we very often ignore the TOS that applies in each casino, but the casino uses it to deceive its customers

These initial deposit bonus or amount of wager based bonus works if your wagering amount is large or you are a heavy gambler. Almost all of gambling have a small house edge be it casinos or sportsbook. In multiple bets you win or loss would be just a small percentage of what you bet. Any bonus are better than nothing. And if you get a bonus more than that, it's beneficial one. Though these users would be hard to retain when the bonus period ends. That's why many casinos have regular bonuses of different kinds.

Very well said, yes the gamblers get enticed by the gambling platform's offers and in excitement they deposit huge amount of money in hope to earn free bonus by completing wagering requirements but they don't know that most casinos do that to trap new users and they can change their TOS without any notifications even within days. As far as I know, there's always a price to pay if someone wants to earn money from those free bonus and the ones who understand that will always avoid bonuses.

That is why if we get their promotion sent into our email, we must make sure what is the requirement so we don't misunderstanding and can know if we can fills the requirement or not. That is important because we must responsible to our money and not just take the promotion without think about the requirement.
The casino will use many marketing strategies so we should be wise which one we can take and which we should leave it. That can prevent us from wasting our money participate in the wrong promotions.
If we doubt with the promotion, we can ask to their support system so we can understand. We don't have to force to participate in all promotions they have if we thinks that is too difficult for us.

Surely, this isn't unique to the casino you are referring to. I mean, that casinos only allow bonuses to be spent after you spent your main funds isn't surprising. But I wonder if the words in the terms are that straightforward-- "bonus will just take effect if my main balance will lose first."

Also, is it not possible to just comply with the wagering requirement of your main balance and then withdraw it, leaving only the bonus or perhaps a small amount in your wallet?

Before making a deposit, I study everything very carefully and it will also be a great action to ask the support of this casino everything in advance and clarify any little things that we do not understand, this is what they work for.

I think that many players are always in a hurry to make deposits to start playing quickly to win, but do not even read all the conditions. Sometimes I want to ask them why they decided that they will win even if they cannot do such simple actions. Probably because many players perceive that they will get easy money there and will not even have to understand anything, in vain they think so.

Most of these misleading promotions tend to come from newer casinos and more unfortunately, is that sometimes even they scam you when you complete it. While a 30% cashback sounds so good, but it’s a red flag when something like that has wagering requirements.
It’s a bad deal to think that you are getting a deposit bonus only to find out that it’s actually not, but a cashback that only activates once your main balance is totally lost. This kind of tactics where they call it a deposit bonus in the email and then reveal more different and hidden terms in the terms, is a common way casinos try to get new deposits.

However, reading the ToS stays more important than ever these days. These types of bonuses can easily trip up players who expect 0 conditions. So, for the best you need to always double check the terms to avoid such surprises.

Casinos nowadays are use many ways to recruit many players to deposit, one other way is spamming via email with sweet promises. if the customers are negligent, and can not read properly what they get, they will be trapped. I've experienced with that, after deposit I can't get what their promised because I don't read properly their TOS. So, with this case, I suggest a new player to read properly their TOS, and sometimes I will make sure by asking it on contact support, and screenshot conversation.

You are right, deposit bonus and cashback are two different things. Cashback and rakeback are available in some casinos (in most of them), but if they come with a wagering requirement, then it's not very good. I came across this in Rocketpot, they have some system (daily, weekly, monthly) and that cashback is like an airdrop, when I click to accept (a few dollars) it comes with a wagering request, it's funny...

Well, some casinos are fair and have good conditions for all the benefits they offer, some have hidden pitfalls that can be very unpleasant. It's generally worth reading the ToS first, and who doesn't learn when they come across all that while playing on the site.

Even until now I don't believe it and never take a deposit bonus or anything like that, (except for the bonus drops)
Since having a slightly bad experience in the past in a similar case, I always doubt the deposit bonus offered via email or other advertisements. Because for me it is indeed a way for casinos to attract the attention of gamblers and my mind always tries to think positively if it is impossible to get a bonus that easy.
Except as I said regarding the bonus drops (at my favorite casino) which makes more sense with the total wager requirements and we can easily get it.

And here I will not blame any party because maybe OP is tempted and only wants to try with a small amount to get experience and the casino does something like that because it is their way of promoting their casino.

you are right, marketing strategies are indeed diverse. and many are fooled by the promotion. therefore, it is important to first read the terms and conditions of the promotion being carried out.
the language used in the promotion is indeed very attractive, especially the issue of discounts and finances. I myself do it when promoting a product.
so my advice to OP, still read the terms and conditions first. don't immediately decide without reading in detail what is being promoted and how the promotion applies.

Usually, cashback is different from the deposit bonus. That is true, you will only accumulate your cashback depending on how much you wagered for certain session/s. However, the percentage varies from one casino to another or if they are having this feature in their casino. Thus, need to check their features and don't expect that every casino has this perks.


Every reward/perks offered by the casino has certain conditions to be met. So don't rush yourself depositing to the site because you have seen such promotional offer. Always check the terms attached to it, if you think it is achievable, then, why not? But if not, better let go such offer because more than likely, you will just lose all your bankroll before you complete the requirements for such reward.

I guess these are sort of marketing strategy which is part of their promotions that shows highlight only of the percentage not the totally terms of it so people get easily courage to play and deposit it seems that you already identified the event works. Still i consider that the deposit bonus is different from the cashback because in deposit bonus you will be credited upon deposit and then the cash back will be credited during the progress of the game lets say cashback = total deposit/wager requirement.

x10 wager with a bonus is really that actually less in compared into those platforms who do really that making use of 20-35x rollover and if we do speak solely with deposit rollover on which this would really be sitting around on 2x the deposit on which its not that bad at all but with those other bonuses then its not really that actually shocking and they do have the full rights on how they should set up things. They wont really be running up a business that it wont turned out to be at their advantage on which it is really that understandable that they would be having the edge. This is why its really that very wrong that you would be assuming out that you could easily get out with those bonuses. Yes, it will be giving out that more bankroll that you do need but come to think that roll overs will really be fucking you up big time as you do go ahead. You will be finding out that those requirement would be pesky and will hinder you out on making up withdrawals in the end. lol. This is why on the moment that you will be having that worst experience with bonuses and its rollovers then you will definitely be aware on next time and you will really be ending up on avoiding it on next time. Usually newbies will really be that victimized on this one because they do really believe that this is something that could give out that advantage because you do have more but of course those are really that wrong perceptions and you will really be that able to make those realizations in the end of the line.