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Quote from: famososMuertos on August 05, 2022, 03:54:13 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on August 05, 2022, 10:48:33 AM

Just for clarification for the OP's question regarding "What casino games are sports in your country?" , does it mean those games/sports that were being played exactly in the casino but began to consider it as sports and already included in sports events?

I'm not aware that billiards before are mostly played in a casino hall. Even if does, I think that was already a usual sport before. Our country is known for having good billiards players since the classic year that's why I was surprised that billiards is actually a casino game, maybe in some countries.

You just give me a trivia there, OP.

...! without depth is a simple and open question, on the other hand billiards is a game where you bet, a casino organizes an event or simply players put money on the table, what do you call the spaces that have billiard tables?

Billard Casino, Bergisch Gladbach, Germany.
Address: Overather Str. 56, 51429 Bergisch Gladbach, Germany

If you don't know casinos that have pool tables, give it a GS.

That's why I mentioned that you just gave me a trivia there. Thanks for that.

But still, I can't consider that question of yours as simple, at least here in our country, since, in the very beginning, we treat billiards here as a sport, not a casino game. We have lots of established billiard champions here already making it nonsense to think that billiards is considered casino games before.

About your last statement, is that the reason you want to emphasize why billiards is a casino game before? If yes, in what country?

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Quote from: famososMuertos on August 04, 2022, 12:17:49 PM

I just wrote and it reminded me...because sometimes we play it and forget, but poker is considered by some a mental sport, in fact countries like Brazil consider it that way, we also have the game of pool, considered a sport and it is in better organization because world championships are held even with teennagers.

I'm not a poker player and I love watching pool but I don't consider poker as a sports game, the pool can be considered a sport because it is played in sporting events like the SEA games in Asia.
You can have a certain skill in poker but its still a luck-based game, and I don't think that a game that is played using cards can be considered a sport, anything that involves a card are luck-based game and no way can be treated as sports.

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Quote from: Darker45 on August 05, 2022, 10:34:21 PM

Personally, I don't agree in categorizing poker under sports. Of course, the game is not purely luck-based. There's an element of skill and mental prowess that is involved. But in a competition where the level of skill is the ultimate measure, poker is simply different. In a game of poker, luck is the ultimate measure. However excellent your bluffing skill may be, if the opponent has the best hand possible, he/she will call every raise that you'll make and you will lose. That's how a poker game goes.

I agree with you, I personally don't agree with classifying poker as a sport. however, there is no doubt that poker is not roulette or dice that is purely based on luck, playing skills play an important role in poker, poker requires seriousness or a complex intellectual game, which all depends on knowledge and experience.

The reason I say poker doesn't fall into the category of sports is, firstly, poker is played for money, and the only significant indicator of success is the amount of money won.
In poker, I can win a lot or lose a lot. and this is a sign of gambling, secondly, Poker is played in a casino, that is, where gambling is usually played.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on August 04, 2022, 12:17:49 PM

Poker Recognized as a Skill Game by IMSA
https://www.pokernewsdaily.com/poker-recognized-as-a-skill-game-by-imsa-10821/

If Poker is recognized as a game of skill, then it wouldn't be illegal for any entity to set up a poker game, and take a percentage of the players' winnings as a "fee or rake from the pot"? I have been learning/reading/researching about poker, and one of my research requires watching movies about Poker. Hahaha. One of those movies is "Molly's Game". She was taken by the FBI, because she was accused of running an "illegal gambling" room. She was told that if she did not take a fee/rake from the game, the FBI can't take her. WHY can't she or anyone fight the case by citing Poker is not a gambling game but a skill game?

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Quote from: xSkylarx on August 06, 2022, 02:22:28 AM

Quote from: famososMuertos on August 04, 2022, 12:17:49 PM

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When did billiard was classified as a casino game? Luck is not neccessary in billiards. The gambling part of it is what we called sportsbetting like what we do to other games like basketball or soccer.

Most games on a casino highy depends on luck and doesn't require some skill to win so they can't really be considered a sport unlike poker which involves some skill like bluffing that can make you win even if you have the bad card. And according to the link below, poker is currently the only form of gambling to be considered as a sport.

https://upswingpoker.com/is-poker-a-sport-or-a-game/

Poker is considered a sport seems odd but if so then maybe Blackjack as well, playing this game will also make you think and you also need skills for this game. I only see Poker Sports League though, no blackjack.

Only a few countries I guess consider poker to be sports but it would be fun to see them promote poker on Olympics or Fifa. Would it be acceptable for the organization?

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Quote from: famososMuertos on August 04, 2022, 12:17:49 PM

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When did billiard was classified as a casino game? Luck is not neccessary in billiards. The gambling part of it is what we called sportsbetting like what we do to other games like basketball or soccer.

Most games on a casino highy depends on luck and doesn't require some skill to win so they can't really be considered a sport unlike poker which involves some skill like bluffing that can make you win even if you have the bad card. And according to the link below, poker is currently the only form of gambling to be considered as a sport.

https://upswingpoker.com/is-poker-a-sport-or-a-game/

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Personally, I don't agree in categorizing poker under sports. Of course, the game is not purely luck-based. There's an element of skill and mental prowess that is involved. But in a competition where the level of skill is the ultimate measure, poker is simply different. In a game of poker, luck is the ultimate measure. However excellent your bluffing skill may be, if the opponent has the best hand possible, he/she will call every raise that you'll make and you will lose. That's how a poker game goes.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on August 04, 2022, 12:17:49 PM

I just wrote and it reminded me...because sometimes we play it and forget, but poker is considered by some a mental sport, in fact countries like Brazil consider it that way, we also have the game of pool, considered a sport and it is in better organization because world championships are held even with teennagers.

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"This is the official campaign to bring billiards as an additional sport to the Olympic Games Paris 2024. The World Confederation of Billiards Sports (WCBS) is running a campaign to prove the worthiness of billiard sport to the International Olympic Committee."

https://twg2022.com/international-federation-news/bringing-billiards-to-the-olympic-games-2024/

For now these are the ones that have official status considered sports.

Poker.
Billiards. Pool. Cue sports

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Anyone who thinks that sport is just what makes people sweat a lot is wrong.

Any game of dice, cards, or the like that generates a "competition" between two or more people should be considered a sport and be given due respect and incentives just like any other.

The only problem I see with making these sports "official" is that they often fail to become a pleasurable challenge and are quickly taken over by those who think only about making money above all else.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on August 04, 2022, 12:17:49 PM

So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

Yeah Poker in my country is a sports, 2018 there was an official event also held to go international, but few were interested in being an athlete bcause basically people believe that games use a cards are gambling. Even though it is clearly legalized by the government as a sport and even the world, but people at my country often abuse the game with money.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on August 04, 2022, 12:17:49 PM

I just wrote and it reminded me...because sometimes we play it and forget, but poker is considered by some a mental sport, in fact countries like Brazil consider it that way, we also have the game of pool, considered a sport and it is in better organization because world championships are held even with teennagers.

They considered it as sports betting that can be played in casino halls because it did not occupy a large space and there are many players who bet with each other and bettors that will bet on their favorite player and it's considered legal, here in our country pool is so popular because the greatest pool player of all time happens to be our countryman, the pool is not only played in casinos here, you can find it on malls on every gaming and recreational establishment, it's considered as a gambling, sports, and recreational events.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on August 04, 2022, 12:17:49 PM

So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

In the Philippines, cock fighting has been consistently practiced by by gamblers to the point that it gets televised regularly. Though the game itself is much more of a gamble than a sport, most people view it as such. In addition, the barrier of entrance to participate in betting is easier and regulated by the government itself, which makes it truly a "sport-game" compared to most card gambling games.

Basketball is a sport which is considered the heart of Filipino games. Many of our countrymen play and see the sport as the "main sport" that everybody uses. You would see tons of courts in the streets which are consistently being used by many. As the case may be, betting in official games have been a consistent practice done by many.

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Quote from: Mauser on August 05, 2022, 03:58:42 PM

Quote from: famososMuertos on August 04, 2022, 12:17:49 PM

So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

I fully agree that Poker is mental game that counts as sports. What about chess? It's also a game that requires you think a lot and anticipate moves of your opponent. The only difference is that there is no betting whereas poker relies a lot on betting money. In my opinion the betting aspect in poker has no real influence if it is a sport or not. What makes poker a mental sport is that it has fixed rules and a fixed deck of cards you play with. So whatever two cards you are being dealt there is a winning probability that you need to calculate. Playing poker for a longer period of time requires a lot of concentration and is exhausting. In my country there are no other casino games considered a sport. This is probably the case due poker being different from all the other casinos games. In almost all the games you play against the house, whereas in poker you play against other people. And in all the casino games the house has an advantage over the player, which would make it difficult to have sport made out of it, most of the time the casino would be winning.

Poker is categorized mental sport because the strategy relies on the psychological approach to how they can bluff and defeat their opponent, how they can decide about standing, hitting, etc. to beat their opponent. Since in poker, the strategy uses the mind more than physical exertion that is why it is called a mental game and not due to fixed rules or whatsoever.

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Pool is a sport, that's not new to me. Bowling is also a sport, so is golf, so why not pool. It requires skill and precision, just like golf, bowling, and many other sports, like shooting or archery.
As far as poker goes, it requires a lot more luck than what is traditionally considered a sport, but I can understand that people are considering it a sport, because you can simply be good at it.
Every activity that you can compete in and where skill level rises with time and knowledge of the game can be considered a sport.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on August 04, 2022, 12:17:49 PM

So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

I fully agree that Poker is mental game that counts as sports. What about chess? It's also a game that requires you think a lot and anticipate moves of your opponent. The only difference is that there is no betting whereas poker relies a lot on betting money. In my opinion the betting aspect in poker has no real influence if it is a sport or not. What makes poker a mental sport is that it has fixed rules and a fixed deck of cards you play with. So whatever two cards you are being dealt there is a winning probability that you need to calculate. Playing poker for a longer period of time requires a lot of concentration and is exhausting. In my country there are no other casino games considered a sport. This is probably the case due poker being different from all the other casinos games. In almost all the games you play against the house, whereas in poker you play against other people. And in all the casino games the house has an advantage over the player, which would make it difficult to have sport made out of it, most of the time the casino would be winning.

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Quote from: chaser15 on August 05, 2022, 10:48:33 AM

Just for clarification for the OP's question regarding "What casino games are sports in your country?" , does it mean those games/sports that were being played exactly in the casino but began to consider it as sports and already included in sports events?

I'm not aware that billiards before are mostly played in a casino hall. Even if does, I think that was already a usual sport before. Our country is known for having good billiards players since the classic year that's why I was surprised that billiards is actually a casino game, maybe in some countries.

You just give me a trivia there, OP.

...! without depth is a simple and open question, on the other hand billiards is a game where you bet, a casino organizes an event or simply players put money on the table, what do you call the spaces that have billiard tables?

Billard Casino, Bergisch Gladbach, Germany.
Address: Overather Str. 56, 51429 Bergisch Gladbach, Germany

If you don't know casinos that have pool tables, give it a GS.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 05, 2022, 01:50:35 PM

Poker won't be considered as a sport by a reputable organization. To determine whether or not a game can be competitive is easy.
If I play 100 chess matches with a grand master, it would be guaranteed 100 loss.
If I play 100 pool matches with a pro pool player, it would be guaranteed 100 loss.
If I play 100 poker rounds with a pro poker player, the result will be unknown... it depends on how many I draw great cards.

I think that is the point of the question, not everyone can play with a chess master, they need to be ranked, that is why there are federations that give you a ranking and that would allow you to access events according to your level, that simple organization and order is the beginning of at least playing for the simple fact of being number one.

Competing to win is what leads to the beginning of many activities that require preparation of the mind, body and then a federation or organization supervises you.

I am neither against nor in favor of calling anything that is organized and that has certain parameters to define it as a sport, but doing it for the simple fact of competing and showing that you are the best, then makes you be in a healthy activity and if that makes it possible to organize federations and world championships, that's fine.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on August 04, 2022, 02:40:44 PM

In my opinion, a sports doesn't need to involve physical. Well, most of the sports are physical sports and if there's a physical sports then why there won't be a mental sports like chess and other mental sports though mental sports do require some physical which is to move a chess piece but I know it is nothing compared to basketball and other sports that you have to be active all the time.

Sports deserve or required both physical band metal health standard. The thing i understand that game is that you most be at least %80 sounds in fit people you can buoyantly pertake or competite into it, because it' required calculation and activeness to support the move. Most of the support game are what that energy is needed to be use to actualized it, perfectly. I believe that many people who is into support know exactly what I am lamenting on, because whoever that is full of fitness can make good calculation.

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Quote from: Beparanf on August 05, 2022, 03:45:27 AM

There’s a thin line separating between sports and gambling which is money involved. Technically gambling can be considered as sports if it didn’t involved money because it’s for entertainment and competing to other players but since players is risking money in able to get entertained, Gambling can’t be considered as sports for that particular reason.

How can it be considered as a sport when luck is the only thing that you need? But for some card games like poker for example, I think it's possible to consider them as a sport and like a typical sport, there are also big tournaments for poker but we don't see one for dice, crash, keno and other casino games.

Those games are only good for local use to provide the people an entertainment but they can get some incentives if they get lucky. Here in gambling we also have sports betting. This involves money but the game or a match where people places their bets are still called as a sports. It's also possible to gamble without a real money involved.

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Poker won't be considered as a sport by a reputable organization. To determine whether or not a game can be competitive is easy.
If I play 100 chess matches with a grand master, it would be guaranteed 100 loss.
If I play 100 pool matches with a pro pool player, it would be guaranteed 100 loss.
If I play 100 poker rounds with a pro poker player, the result will be unknown... it depends on how many I draw great cards.

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Quote from: virasog on August 05, 2022, 12:43:12 AM

I think sports games like boxing, football, etc are not directly linked with gambling games. There are sports on which gamblers bet on the matches. Chess is also not a gambling game, you can only bet on chess matches.

The casino games like dice, slots, or even lottery are not skill based games, they are just luck based games where you win because of your good luck and nothing else. Some people consider poker as a skill based game which i disagree.

Determining whether a sport is gambling or not depends on the percentage of luck and skill in determining the result. Obviously, there is an element of luck in football, boxing and chess, but it is negligible compared to the percentage of skill that affects the final result.
But why do you call poker a game of luck? Knowing how to count the probabilities of cards and trying to understand your opponents is a natural skill and in poker the pros are much stronger than the amateurs, which means that skill is the determining factor.

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I'm trying to find out what casino games are actually considered sports. Maybe OP can give us a list and check if our countries are having that kind of game. I too began to make my mind twist as for me, what I have known casinos games are the usual casinos games we are seeing like, slots, roulettes, dice, etc. Except for poker which maybe I will be believed it's just begun to become a usual sport in the late generation.

I like to know more and I hope OP can give us other casino games that were treated now as sports in some countries.

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